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Topic: Arabic Parts in Synastry and Composites
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LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18802 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 20, 2014 08:59 AM
Him General fate
POF Aqua 3.33 Part of Destiny Aqua 22.42 Part of Fate/Karma Cap 4.30 Part of Unusual Events Virgo 8.55 Part of Spirit Taurus 23 Part of Success Virgo 0.52 Part of Victory Sag 20.22
Love-related Arabic Parts Part of Desire and Sexual Attraction Cap 3.42 Part of Energy/Sex Drive/Passion/Intensity/Compulsion Taurus 26.25 Part of Fascination Cap 8.56 Part of Happiness Taurus 24.25 Part of Love/Beauty Leo 14.18 Part of Lovers Gem 12.40 Part of Marriage/Partners Scorp 18.52 Part of Marriage 1 Taurus 8 Part of Marriage 2 Leo 14.18 Part of Wedding Aqua 19.16 He has: Lilith square Part of Destiny (0) Part of Unusual Events is in his Mars Cross (Mars/Neptune/Pholus/Alma) Part of Success opp Jupiter exact - this is a good one! Jupiter rules his Sun and his NN/IC. Part of Victory conjuncts NN (4) and is squared by Sun (2) and Karma/Vertex (0-1). Also a good one. Love-related
Part of Desire and Sexual Attraction Cap 3.42 Conjuncts his Part of Fate/Karma. Part of Energy/Sex Drive/Passion/Intensity/Compulsion Taurus 26.25 Conjuncts his Part of Happiness. and his Part of Spirit a bit wider. Seeing a theme here already? LOl Squared by Merc, ASC/MC ruler Part of Fascination Cap 8.56 squared by Cupido (0) - fascination when in love
Part of Happiness Taurus 24.25 Trines Lilith and Union exact, apart from that conjunction with Part of Passion Part of Love/Beauty Leo 14.18 conjuncts Part of Marriage 2 Leo 14.18 opp Juno (0) square Moon (2) conjunct Priapus (3) Part of Lovers Gem 12.40 on Mars/Saturn mdp exact sextile Juno (1) Part of Marriage/Partners Scorp 18.52 conjuncts Moon (2) receives the aspects to his Moon Part of Marriage 1 Taurus 8 conjuncts his Amor(1). This is lovely. It indicates true love marriage. Part of Wedding Aqua 19.16 conjuncts his Eros (1) and Ceres (2)
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LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18802 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 20, 2014 09:26 AM
quote: Originally posted by Enneline: okay, my part of destiny conjuncts my venus in cancer 12h your destiny is connected to love and anything venusian (like art or money perhaps), traditionally a good omen, with Venus on P. of Destiny. I think your destiny is strongly related to the vibration of 12th house Cancer Venus - remember to be of service  part of fame conjuncts my merc/jup in Leo 1st so this is how you reach fame - I see writing, teaching, the arts?
Part of abundance conjuncts my IC in Libra are you rich? from a rich family? you don't have to answer
part of marriage widely conjuncts my neptune in sag 5h how wide?
part of partners conjunct my desc in cap your DSC is a strong point for describing your partner That's it. 
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Enneline Knowflake Posts: 6728 From: Registered: Nov 2012
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posted August 20, 2014 09:38 AM
your destiny is connected to love and anything venusian (like art or money perhaps), traditionally a good omen, with Venus on P. of Destiny. I think your destiny is strongly related to the vibration of 12th house Cancer Venus - remember to be of service -> Yes, this makes sense for meso this is how you reach fame - I see writing, teaching, the arts? -> yeah, writing and Part of fame trines POF conj. moon in 10th. You'll see me on TV  are you rich? from a rich family? you don't have to answer -> No, I grew up (low) middle class and so did my mother and my stepfather. But my Bio Dad and my maternal grandfather come from rich families. I am not rich btw part of marriage widely conjuncts my neptune in sag 5h how wide? -> Can't remember exactly. I think it was 4-5 deg part of partners conjunct my desc in cap your DSC is a strong point for describing your partner -> Ah okay. I thought that that part of partner is on everyone's desc
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mir Knowflake Posts: 2560 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted August 20, 2014 09:39 AM
quote: The Part of Fortune lies the same distance in longitude from the Ascendant as the Moon lies from the Sun. Therefore, if for example the Sun is conjunct the Moon in the natal chart, the Part of Fortune will lie close to the Ascendant; and if the Sun and Moon are in opposition in the natal chart, the Part of Fortune will lie close to the Descendant
Ah ok.. And so to go with Cochrane; An Arabic Part forms an isosceles trapezoid with the 3 points used in the Arabic Part formula. This fact has enormous implications regarding why Arabic Parts are important, how they work, and even the fundamental assumptions of astrology! However, the underlying geometry of Arabic Parts has been almost completely overlooked throughout the entire history of astrology. http://astrosoftware.com/ArabicParts.htm
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Enneline Knowflake Posts: 6728 From: Registered: Nov 2012
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posted August 20, 2014 09:40 AM
POF conjunct NN trine Moon Part of Destiny conjunct Mercury (0) my 5th/8th ruler, in Libra 8th. Part of Fate conjunct my MC (1)...how suitable!-> So you have to be therapist in this life?  IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18802 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 20, 2014 09:48 AM
quote: Originally posted by Enneline: POF conjunct NN trine Moon Part of Destiny conjunct Mercury (0) my 5th/8th ruler, in Libra 8th. Part of Fate conjunct my MC (1)...how suitable!-> So you have to be therapist in this life? 
I hope not  Why did you say therapist? IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18802 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 20, 2014 10:02 AM
Our Parts  my POF opp his Part of Lovers Gem 12.40 my Part of Fate/Karma Scorpio 15.45 conjuncts his Part of Marriage/Partners Scorp 18.52 my Part of Energy/Sex Drive/Passion/Intensity Aquarius 19 conjuncts his Part of Wedding Aqua 19.16 my Part of Happiness Virgo 3.15 conjuncts his Part of Success Virgo 0.52, also I'll include here the quincunx to his POF perhaps the most interesting one, my Part of Love/Beauty Cap 5.14 conjuncts: -his Part of Fate/Karma Cap 4.30 - his Part of Desire and Sexual Attraction Cap 3.42 -his Part of Fascination Cap 8.56 it's like a stellium of our Parts there my Part of LOvers also around there, conjuncts his Part of Desire and Sexual Attraction
then (well, I'd look mostly at conjunctions/opp, then perhaps squares, but I will list other significant aspects as well)
my POF/NN squares his Juno (0) Part of Destiny Libra 11 trines his Juno (2) Part of Fate/Karma Scorpio 15.45 conjuncts his Moon (1) Part of Unusual Events Aries 0.24 conjuncts his DSC (2) Part of Spirit Aqua 25 conjuncts his Mercury (2) - I love this one!!! Part of Success Aries 17.32 conjuncts his Chiron (1) opp his Vesta (2) Part of Victory Aqua 6.11 conjuncts his Venus (1) and POF (3) Part of Energy/Sex Drive/Passionetc. Aquarius 19 conjuncts his Eros (1) and Ceres (2) opp his Priapus (2)
Part of Fascination Scorpio 29.46 square his Mercury/Jupiter trines his DSC (1) sextiles his ASC Part of Happiness Virgo 3.15 opp his Jupiter Part of Love/Beauty Cap 5.14 square his Pluto (0) Part of Lovers Cap 0.30 conj his IC squares his ASC/DSC Part of Marriage/Partners Sag 2.11 square his Jupiter (2) trines his DSC (4) Part of Marriage 1 Scorpio 29.47 square his Jupiter (0) trines his DSC (2) Part of Marriage 2 Pisces 5 conjuncts his Pholus/Alma (2) squares his Mars (2) Part of Wedding Taurus 29.39 squares his Jupiter (0) His Jupiter aspects 5 of my Love-related Arabic Parts in close orb. Jupiter, his Sun disp, rules his NN/IC. This looks very significant.
His Parts lol to my planets POF Aqua 3.33 conjuncts my Psyche (0) Part of Destiny Aqua 22.42 on my Avx (3) trines Valentine (0) Part of Fate/Karma Cap 4.30 squares my Mars/Pluto, trines my Venus (2) Part of Unusual Events Virgo 8.55 conjuncts my Venus (2) part of our Venus/Mars cross Part of Spirit Taurus 23 near my IC squares my Vertex axis trines Sun and ASC Part of Success Virgo 0.52 conjuncts my Priapus (0) lol Part of Victory Sag 20.22 opp my Karma (3) squares my Sun (0) Love-related Arabic Parts Part of Desire and Sexual Attraction Cap 3.42 similar aspects with Part of Fate Part of Energy/Sex Drive/Passion/Intensity/Compulsion Taurus 26.25 and Part of Happiness Taurus 24.25 squares my Vertex/Amor trines my Sun/Mars mdp Part of Fascination Cap 8.56 trines my Venus (2) squares my Mercury (2) Part of Marriage 2 Leo 14.18 and Part of Love/Beauty Leo 14.18 conjuncts my Moon (0), receives all my Moon aspects Part of Lovers Gem 12.40 conjuncts my SN/POF (1) Part of Marriage/Partners Scorp 18.52 conjuncts my MC (2) Part of Marriage 1 Taurus 8 opp my Vesta (3) trines my Venus (2) Part of Wedding Aqua 19.16 opp my Moon/Vx mdp, squares my MC/IC (2) quincunx Sun (1) trines Karma and Valentine Overall, not bad at all. ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... IP: Logged |
Enneline Knowflake Posts: 6728 From: Registered: Nov 2012
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posted August 20, 2014 10:05 AM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: I hope not  Why did you say therapist?
Therapist (not necessarily the "classic" therapist) through spiritual leadership or artistic leadership or both. because part of destiny conjuncting mercury (communications) (5th (house of romance & creativity), 8th (house of sexuality, etc. etc. and also support) and part of fate conj. MC = maybe you need to heal via spiritual counselations and/or art IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18802 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 20, 2014 10:19 AM
quote: Originally posted by Enneline: Therapist (not necessarily the "classic" therapist) through spiritual leadership or artistic leadership or both.because part of destiny conjuncting mercury (communications) (5th (house of romance & creativity), 8th (house of sexuality, etc. etc. and also support) and part of fate conj. MC = maybe you need to heal via spiritual counselations and/or art
Much better  I was asking because I'm a psychologist, I've practiced for a while but I gave up...it was too painful for me. ------------------
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mir Knowflake Posts: 2560 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted August 20, 2014 11:03 AM
So.. looking at the calculator list now;- Part of Abundance: ASC + SUN - MOON. - Part of Spirit: ASC + SUN - MOON (AM) :: ASC + MOON - SUN (PM) Does this ^ mean that if I'm an AM-birth, the part of spirit & part of abundance are the same??
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Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 31106 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted August 20, 2014 11:11 AM
yes it means that. The distinction comes from the middle ages I think. Some asterologers today use the distinction, others don`t. It is actually annoying. So where is my POF now? 28 Capricorn or 15 Libra? Well 28 Capricorn would be the Moon in the secondary chart, and without the am/pm distinction. 15 Libra would be with the distinction. Of course both parts are important,a s if one is PoF the other would be Part of Spirit. Well 28 Capricorn is in my 2nd house. 15 Libra in my 10th house.
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Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 31106 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted August 20, 2014 11:11 AM
http://marianneohagan.com/astrology/part-of-fortune/ she does not make the distinction. "PART OF FORTUNE IN CAPRICORN Positive development: self-respect, letting go of dependency and accepting responsibility. If you define your goals and let go of past dependency you will achieve emotional security. Negative development: overly dependent, inability to take charge, lack of confidence, fear of rejection, self-defeating, can control others through emotional reactions. In your-growing up years you were not shy in the security of your own home. You related better to adults, but outside the family environment you were shy. You may have found it difficult to make friends easily because you felt you were not good enough. You tended to stand back. You wanted to join in but you lacked confidence and you instinctively feared failure and rejection. You may not have had the freedom to be your own person in your growing-up years owing to your family position or circumstance. In your primary years you may have felt bullied or intimidated by those who were more dominant. In general you had issues with confidence and self-esteem and you sensed your sibling(s) or friends were recognised ahead of you. Perhaps you felt that they had more going for them and you were being led along by other people’s points of view. If you did not come up to family expectations your confidence was affected. Academically you may have felt a disappointment and this could have held you back, and/or you could have felt discouraged by circumstance. But these were not the only issues. There were other deeply engrained issues that could have affected your confidence and self-esteem. You strongly feared failure. As an adult it is not a matter of how much you earn, but rather to be able to do your own thing. Position is an important principle in your life. It gives you a sense of purpose and routine, but you may feel the need to go in a different direction from family expectations. You are the master of your own destiny and you will achieve success through taking responsibility and developing self-confidence. Then you can pursue the direction that is correct for you."
"PART OF SPIRIT IN LIBRA Positive development: inner strength and independence. You are a fair-minded mediator who extends the hand of friendship to those in need of support. Negative development: inferior and co-dependent. You tend to over compensate in order to keep in with friends and/or partners. You may feel you cannot depend on others, they must depend on you. In your social development you had a harmonious nature unless you saw someone unjustifiably hurt. Then you stepped in. When the line was crossed you made a stand on principle. You may have lost friends through this, but with justification. You hold back sorrows because you do not wish to burden other people with your problems. You know what it is like to feel put down and unsupported. However, you feel driven to stand up for those who need support, and you will help those who operate within strict guidelines. You will try to get them to look beyond their circumstances, to integrate a wider understanding. People who narrow their views do themselves a great disservice; you always look at the bigger picture, the wider view to gain a better understanding, and you give good advice. You don’t mind going along with others because you appreciate the effects of harmonious energy. When you unselfishly support other people you feel a sense of togetherness which brings you many friends. You are skilled in balancing situations and making other people feel better, but you must avoid losing your own independence in support of others. You need people to appreciate the support you give, but they can be unappreciative and take you for granted. You are a good diplomat and counsellor and you can uplift and inspire others to reach their goals. You are personally aware of the inner friendliness and harmony that resides in you. This draws other people to you and gives you a feeling of inner confidence. You will try to use your inner qualities and skills to help others establish themselves and their goals and achieve happiness in their lives. If you accomplish this you will gain a sense of inner peace. However, you can give too much to others, and place yourself under pressure through taking on their burdens at the expense of your own wellbeing. You must learn to set your own boundaries and share equally. You know that energy flows in agreement, and you have the ability to maintain harmonious feelings in most situations. Although you strive for friendship, you must learn to balance give and take." Part of Soul: 20 Pisces PART OF SOUL IN PISCES Keywords: impressionable, receptive, compassionate, intuitive, self-sacrificing and sympathetic. Subconsciously you will feel inwardly fulfilled when you give your services to others in order to help them achieve a happier and healthier outlook on life. You have a natural inborn desire to help people to be the best that they can be, but if they don’t respond you do not pursue them. You tend to bottle your emotions and worry too much over nothing, things that may never happen. You try to support others and they expect you to be strong and in control, but you can feel that as soon as you step out of line others will come down harder on you than they do on other people. This can make you feel sad in your unrequited love. You try to help other people but who is there to pick you up if you should fall. If this should happen you will go to a trusted friend, preferably a friend who has had a lot of problems in life, who can identify with suffering. Those who have suffered do not underrate or cast judgement. They will always understand when you have meltdown or extremes of feeling that are so revolting that you can’t cope. At times you may feel you don’t want to be here, it’s all too hard. These little thoughts go through your mind, thoughts that you prefer to keep to yourself. You can experience intense suffering but you know it will pass and if you tell anyone, they may freak out through the intensity of your feelings, but you have the faith to know that things do pass. You can be a martyr but you will not say, “Poor me”. You are perfectly aware that you are allowing other people to do as they are doing and you take responsibility for your situation without blame. You may not like what others are doing and you can walk away. If you don’t then you must bear the consequences. This you accept for you follow a deeper philosophy. You find it difficult to say “No” to requests for help; therefore others can take advantage of you. You become incensed when others blame you for things you haven’t done and you have little patience for those who take without giving in return. Your family is important to you, but you don’t live in their pockets and you don’t feel responsible for them. You may feel that you are not exactly what a parent wanted, however you are sympathetic towards your family and if they need you, you will be there. You can go through intense moments, and you may feel that you don’t get the reinforcement or understanding that you need. Therefore you will not go down that path because other people can drag you down further, they never see it your way. You sense negative undercurrents and you may feel you are not credited for your successes, but as soon as you come to a crunch period in your life you may sense a certain negativity that succeeds in draining your energy. It appears that you must stay cool, calm and collected at all times because people can’t cope with you in need. You are good at reading where others are coming from and you are acutely aware of whether people around you are happy or not. You will always try to make people around you feel comfortable, and if necessary you will make sacrifices for their happiness. - Interestingly this is close to my Draconic ASC on 26 Pisces- Of course if I made the distinction between am/pm births
the part of soul would be a different one. Part of Fate:24 Leo (Part of Soul and Fate would be interchanged with the distinction of night/ day births)
PART OF FATE IN LEO Keywords: self-centred, showy, proud, magnanimous, radiant, dignified, generous and vital. You are on the path to self-discovery through regaining your life-force. Your challenge is to acknowledge yourself, regain your power and flow in your own creation. You became aware of childhood distinctions which may have affected you on a deep level, and through this you may suppress your feelings and emotions, or impose your own distinctions on others to protect yourself from your feelings of social inadequacy. In your childhood, social distinctions may have been placed on you for various reasons and you could have felt as if you were “not good enough”. You may have wanted what others had because you wanted to feel socially accepted. You may have been taught to appreciate correct conduct and presentation but you could have felt downgraded through circumstance so you tried to prove yourself. You became aware of social differences because it seemed that other people openly communicated social differences in a comparative way. You may have found it difficult to respond to others in play activities; you preferred organised activities. You wanted recognition but you may have felt your friends had more than you and through this you did not like taking centre stage. You tended to stand back and you observed those who expressed themselves in social fun. You may not have felt accepted by others and you could have felt uncertain about taking friends home because you did not know how friends would be received by your family. You have a fear of being “knocked back” or hurt; therefore you may pull away from close contact or hide your feelings. You want love but you may find it difficult to flow in love. You tend to select friends who need help and they will help you in their own way but they can become a dominant force. You may not acknowledge yourself socially because you find it difficult to reach out to others or you feel you can’t enjoy yourself unless everyone else around you is happy; therefore you place everyone else’s happiness ahead of your own. You can feel ignored and overlooked by others with little notice taken of you. You have a great need to be loved, yet no one gets to see your inner light because you cannot express your love which makes it difficult for you to feel connected. You may feel no one has ever really known you, loved you or recognised you and this can make you feel cut off from those you love. You consciously want others to see your inner beauty, recognise you and adulate you for “who you are” but love seems to evade you and when love is not reinforced you can turn within. You are extremely artistic or creative, but it seems that other people get recognition or adulation ahead of you while you receive less. You can carry a lot of pain in your heart because you do everything for everyone else while the fun in life seems to escape you. While the outer expression of love fails, the inner expression of love radiates, and through this you will come to realise that the truest expression of love is in the life-force of creation. This site is really amazing actually, especially since the author seems to have a very clear understanding about what arabic parts really ARE, at least those she mentions.
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LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18802 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 20, 2014 01:15 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: yes it means that. The distinction comes from the middle ages I think. Some asterologers today use the distinction, others don`t. It is actually annoying. So where is my POF now? 28 Capricorn or 15 Libra? Well 28 Capricorn would be the Moon in the secondary chart, and without the am/pm distinction. 15 Libra would be with the distinction. Of course both parts are important,a s if one is PoF the other would be Part of Spirit. Well 28 Capricorn is in my 2nd house. 15 Libra in my 10th house.
Wait, wait, wait, Ceri and Mir. To my knowledge ( I put it in the OP, but later), a PM POF/part means AFTER sunset. For example, Pluto Man was born at 18:50 12 March. Well, the sunset in March is around 18:20 or something, so he has a PM Parts. You have to check the sunset/sunrise for your TOB. AM Arabic Parts - between SUNRISE AND SUNSET PM Arabic Parts - between SUNSET AND SUNRISE ------------------
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LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18802 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 20, 2014 01:18 PM
What is the Part of Soul? Part of Spirit?And thanks for the link. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 31106 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted August 20, 2014 01:25 PM
Dunno.There is great confusion there. Some speak of day and night births, some of a.m. and p.m. However should you been born at let`s say 10 a.m. in december, this would be an a.m. birth, yet the Sun would be above the horizon (in 12th house). Should you have been born at 6 a.m., the Sun would be below horizon, hence a night birth, despite the birthim being a.m. "Part of Fortune and Part of Spirit Margaret Asks: “Is the Part of Fortune calculated differently for A.M. versus P.M. births? I can’t seem to get a handle on that…” Caroline Asks: “What would be the meaning if someone’s Part of Fortune was exactly on your Ascendant?” Kevin Answers:
Margaret and Caroline, The Part of Fortune, also known as Fortuna, is a mathematically calculated point. It is one of many Arabic “Parts” (or Greek “Lots”) that are calculated by comparing the arc distance between three points in the chart. The Part of Fortune is a point that synthesizes the Sun, Moon and Ascendant, and therefore, we can assume that it’s pretty important. Of course, very little information exists in modern astrological literature on what it actually represents. We’re going to get to that shortly, but first we need to understand exactly how it’s calculated. The Part of Fortune is calculated differently depending on whether the chart is Diurnal (day chart, i.e., the Sun above the horizon in houses 12–7) or Nocturnal (night chart, i.e., the Sun below the horizon in houses 1–6). Diurnal Chart: Ascendant + Moon – Sun Nocturnal Chart: Ascendant + Sun – Moon So what the heck does this mean? Well, it helps if you work backwards in the formulas. Taking the Diurnal Chart formula, it means that the distance between the Sun and the Moon (in degrees) is the same as the distance between the Ascendant and the Part of Fortune. The degrees are always measured through the signs (counter-clockwise around the chart). POF_illustration
Interpreting the Part of Fortune is pretty easy: it’s a point of increase and good fortune for the individual. This makes a certain amount of sense, of course, because the Part of Fortune synthesizes the three most important points in the natal chart: the Sun, the Moon and the Ascendant. When all three of these can work together, we’re naturally going to be pretty happy and successful in our endeavors.
Looking at the Sign and House location of the Part of Fortune will show how we’re motivated to be successful, and the types of activities that will tend to bring us good fortune (Sign), and where we’re likely to find these activities in our lives (House). As with any other point in the chart, we can go one level deeper and look at the ruler of the Part of Fortune, its dignity or debility, position in the chart, and overall relationship to the rest of the chart, to learn how and where we’re likely to pursue and encounter success. Since I’ve brought it up, I’ll also mention that the Part of Spirit is similar to the Part of Fortune except that it represents how we will experience our spiritual connections and our spirituality. It’s an interesting point to consider from time to time, but frankly, most people are more concerned with the more tangible elements of their lives, and the Part of Fortune is significantly more important in traditional astrology than the Part of Spirit. The Part of Fortune in synastry is something that’s always worth considering, although I would never consider that it could make or break a relationship. Because the Part of Fortune is not a physical body, the aspects only work one way: that is, the Part of Fortune receives the aspect, but does not make it. If a person’s Sun trines your Part of Fortune, then that individual is going to be someone who is likely to be of great help to you in increasing your fortune, wealth, and happiness. You, on the other hand, will not necessarily help them in the same way. As the Ascendant is also an angle and therefore only receives aspects, it’s not really possible to have an “aspect” between the Part of Fortune and the Ascendant. I would say, however, that if one person’s Part of Fortune is conjunct another person’s Ascendant that this would certainly represent some common ground between them—the one person’s approach to the world is one that can help the other person achieve their goals." http://therealastrology.com/ask-kevin-topics/advanced-techniques/253-part-of-fortune-and-part-of-spirit IP: Logged |
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posted August 20, 2014 01:33 PM
As far as I know however, what they used was daytime-nightime (so before and after sunset/sunrise). It is different than the modern AM/PM concept. And it makes sense, because the reference is the Sun. I think it's the sunrise/sunset at your location.IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 31106 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted August 20, 2014 01:37 PM
Yes, I think if we are using the distinctions (and I am not sure about this at all), then we have to use the night/ day charts formula, NOT the one using a.m. and p.m..
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LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18802 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 20, 2014 01:44 PM
Marianne O'Hagan's site is interesting indeed, apart from the fact that personally I disagree that POF has any "negative" connotations.A generalistic description of POF here: Astrology Study
"Your chart is a map. Your heart is the master." ~ Molly Sunday, 6 February 2011 Part of Fortune in Advance Astrology PART OF FORTUNE: PART ONE by ARLENE A. KRAMER Mankind's fascination with the Sun-Moon-Earth relationship has extended beyond the basic waxing and waning of the Moon (the Lunation Cycle.) For thousands of years, this relationship has been expanded by Astrologers to include the Fixed Stars, the zodiacal constellations, house systems, and the angles (Midheaven, Ascendant, Vertex.) Many of these expanded relationships have been codified and named the Arabic Parts. Perhaps the most familiar of these Arabic Parts, and possibly the most useful, is the Part of Fortune or Pars Fortuna. Traditionally, the Part of Fortune indicates the area in the horoscope where the owner of the horoscope feels that "good fortune" is smiling on him. To some, "good fortune" means that money abounds, to others it means public recognition and acclaim, and to others, it means love, good health, and good luck. The clue, according to tradition, to the personal interpretation of "good fortune" lies in the sign and house placement of the Part of Fortune. The Part of Fortune will be the exact amount of degrees and minutes distant from the Ascendant as the Moon is distant from the Sun. So, for example, if the Moon is 73 degrees after the Sun (within the second eighth of the Lunation Cycle), the Part of Fortune will be 73 degrees after the Ascendant. The same example, in zodiacal terms could have the Ascendant at 10 degrees Taurus, the Sun at 00 Gemini, and the Moon at 13 degrees Leo. (This is a distance of the 73 degrees mentioned above.) Because the Ascendant is 10 degrees Taurus, the Part of Fortune is 73 degrees later, or 23 degrees of Cancer. The sign of the Part of Fortune is dependent on the sign and degree of the Ascendant, leading to a wide variety of possible signs for the Part of Fortune on any given day. The house position of the Part of Fortune, however, depends upon the distance that the Moon is from the Sun. For example, in a natal chart cast for right after the New Moon, the Part of Fortune will be in the First house, because the Moon has not yet moved far from the Sun, and the Part of Fortune is close to the Ascendant. As another example of house position, consider the hours after a Full Moon, when the Part of Fortune is in the seventh house because the Moon is located a little bit more than 180 degrees from the Sun. There is a possibility that the Part of Fortune will make an aspect to one of the planets in the natal horoscope. Traditionally, conjunctions and oppositions carry the most significance; squares have lesser significance, and trines even less so. The significance is in the nature of the planet aspected, and may be discussed in a future article. In this and future articles, we will examine the significance of the location of the Part of Fortune by house, by sign, and by planetary aspect. Let us begin by examining the significance of the position of the Part of Fortune as it relates to the houses. PART OF FORTUNE IN THE FIRST HOUSE:
The person with his Part of Fortune in the first house is a person who was born at or just after a New Moon, and, as such, carries the characteristics of a New Moon personality. He has a strongly individual way of meeting life's situations. If he places himself and his unique achievements out where they will be seen, he should have great success and happiness. This is a person who wants to stand out in his own way. He has the charm and human magnetism of the sign on the Ascendant. PART OF FORTUNE IN THE SECOND HOUSE: The person with his Part of Fortune in the second house has the drive, the patience, and the endurance and willingness to use his personal assets, talents, abilities, and efforts to strive for financial success. He feels happy when he draws money, possessions, collections, to himself, and he should not feel guilty about doing so. He needs these things with which to express himself. The Part of Fortune in the second house is good for money. The person has a concern for financial security but he need never worry about it. PART OF FORTUNE IN THE THIRD HOUSE: The person with his Part of Fortune in the third house has a need to communicate and a need to relate to his surroundings, community, family. The third house Part of Fortune gives him the ability to fill both of these needs. Often we find this placement in the charts of teachers, writers, speakers, newspaper reporters, and others who express themselves well with words. He is happiest when he can convey his ideas and feelings to others. PART OF FORTUNE IN THE FOURTH HOUSE: The person with his Part of Fortune in the fourth house needs a sense of home, roots, security, and stability to be totally happy. This does not mean that he needs a house to call his home. His home can be an ideal, a person, an atmosphere that he can feel is solid and solidly behind him. He can then go on to find fulfillment in a tenth house professional identification. These people are usually very patriotic with strong feelings for home, homeland, and parents. The Part of Fortune in the fourth house usually means that the person will be wealthy in the last third of his life. PART OF FORTUNE IN THE FIFTH HOUSE: The person with his Part of Fortune in the fifth house has creative and emotional energies overflowing. He needs to express these, and finds great satisfaction in creative or artistic activity. He is attracted to adventurous enterprises. He has luck with speculations and with children. This person has strong abilities in creative fields of art, drama, theater, music, literature, and invention. He needs to pour himself into what he is doing, and he needs appreciation and applause. PART OF FORTUNE IN THE SIXTH HOUSE:
The person with his Part of Fortune in the sixth house was born just prior to a Full Moon. He is interested in self-improvement and self-discipline so that he can function with such efficiency that he does not have to pay attention to the daily details of life. His mind is on bigger things. Here is a person who seeks the injustices in life so that he may serve to improve others' lives. He can serve people who are confined to hospitals or prisons, or fight for animals' rights, or lead a group of workers in a labor union. This is Virgo's house. Think of doctor, nurse, veterinarian, soldier, sailor. PART OF FORTUNE IN THE SEVENTH HOUSE: The person with his Part of Fortune in the seventh house was born soon after a Full Moon. He is a person who is so idealistic that he wants to see only the best in everything, in every person, in every situation, even in every problem. He is looking for quality in all his relationships because he is really seeking personal illumination. He would like to know his purpose in life. His personality shines through his relationships and partnerships. The Part of Fortune in the seventh house might lead to partnerships with wealthy people. PART OF FORTUNE IN THE EIGHTH HOUSE: The person with his Part of Fortune in the eighth house is like a walking testimonial to eighth house matters if he uses this placement correctly. He is interested in the occult, has good powers of regeneration and rejuvenation, and can be an expert at investigation, research, detective work. He can keep a secret so well that he is like an international diplomat, and he can indeed earn a living this way. This person can also make a living based on the talents and abilities of others, as a theatrical agent or manage other people's money. This person is usually very attractive, due to personal magnetism. PART OF FORTUNE IN THE NINTH HOUSE: The person with his Part of Fortune in the ninth house usually finds expression through travel, philosophy, higher education, philosophical thought, spirituality, or publishing. He may find his fortunes far from home. This person can profit through and from people at a distance. His studies bring insights to him which he uses to help other people. This is a person who can be a natural clairvoyant as well. Most of this person's labors are mental. This is a person who is always broadening his vistas and expanding his education PART OF FORTUNE IN THE TENTH HOUSE: The person with his Part of Fortune in the tenth house knows, deep down, that he must fulfill his role in society. He chooses a field where he can be a Professional Person. This person needs a place in the outside world, where his status and position is high and his name is associated with the field that he is in. This is the house of recognition and public standing, of career and ambition, of success and responsibility. Remember, this is Capricorn's house, so the person whose Part of Fortune is here is not afraid of hard work and effort if there is a goal to be reached. PART OF FORTUNE IN THE ELEVENTH HOUSE: The person with his Part of Fortune in the eleventh house is usually way ahead of the time in which he lives when it comes to his mentality, his dreams, hopes, goals, and his view of the world. This is a person who thinks in terms of Brotherhood, altruistic unity, Humanitarian values. He wants to do things that benefit society as a whole. This is why he sometimes sees himself as a reformer of sorts, improving social, cultural, or spiritual values in those around him. He wants better conditions for his community as well as for humanity. PART OF FORTUNE IN THE TWELFTH HOUSE: The person with his Part of Fortune in the twelfth house has a unique opportunity to transform or dissolve his own Karma. This is a person who has mediumistic talents and the gift of prophecy. His dreams often give him answers. His flair for spirituality, mysticism, illusion, and fantasy can be productive in film, television, and works of fiction. Though he may not know it when it happens, his enemies will frequently change their attitude from hostility to neutrality, and sometimes even to benevolence. He is generally unaware of his good fortune. The person with his Part of Fortune in the twelfth house is treated well by health-care professionals. The Part of Fortune's meaning, just like a planet's meaning, is sensitive to house placement, as just shown. It is also sensitive, just like a planet is, to the sign of the zodiac in which it finds itself. In a future article, as we continue our investigation of the meanings of the Part of Fortune, we will look at the Part of Fortune in each of the twelve signs.
Part of Fortune and Planets The last few Advanced Astrology columns have been devoted to the Part of Fortune, or Pars Fortuna, as an outgrowth of the Lunation Cycle. The Part of Fortune was described in its relation to the house placements and sign placements. Just as with any other zodiacal sensitive point, the Part of Fortune can also be defined in its relationship to other zodiacal elements, such as the planets. Any planet in conjunction with the Part of Fortune will yield an increase in the potency of that planet. This is the aspect most clearly seen. A planet in opposition to the Part of Fortune will yield a form of detachment in the use of that planet. A planet in square to the Part of Fortune sometimes indicates that the planet is involved in the drive to achieve the happiness promised by the Part of Fortune. Trines to the Part of Fortune indicate that the way is made easy for the person to find his happiness and success. Remember, please, that it takes the whole chart to tell you the potentials in a person's life. Let us look at some examples of the meanings of a planet as it makes major aspects with the attributes of the Part of Fortune. Sun and the Part of Fortune: When you see a horoscope where the Sun is conjunct the Part of Fortune, remember how we arrive at the Part of Fortune. The Ascendant and the Moon and the Sun itself combine to show us where the avenue to happiness, success, and sheer joy is located. We look to the house, we look to the sign, and now we look to the planet to tell us more. When the Sun is conjunct the Part of Fortune, the person can shine with his whole being in response to the solar illumination. Moon and the Part of Fortune: If a person is born at sunrise, the Part of Fortune will be conjunct the Moon; if he is born at sunset, the Part of Fortune will be opposite the Moon. Remember how we arrive at the Part of Fortune! The emotional nature, nurturing nature, security themes, or public life will be an avenue for achieving Part of Fortune happiness and success. Mercury and the Part of Fortune: If Mercury is with the Part of Fortune, this person will use his mental faculties and an intellectual approach in finding his happiness and success. He will also find it extremely easy to communicate, either in speech or writing. Venus and the Part of Fortune: If Venus is with the Part of Fortune, the potency of Venus will be enhanced, and the person will have tremendous personal charm. He will probably also be good looking. Harmony and balance come easily to him. Mars and the Part of Fortune: If Mars is with the Part of Fortune, the potency of Mars will be enhanced in its more positive forms. The person with this conjunction will exhibit assertive and pioneering qualities instinctively. He will be able to focus on one endeavor at a time, and work at it by himself to completion.
Jupiter and the Part of Fortune: If Jupiter is conjunct the Part of Fortune, the potency of Jupiter will be enhanced in all of its positive forms. The person with this conjunction will be naturally optimistic, certain that all situations will turn out fine, and in general happy with every day as they take him closer to success and wealth and joy. Saturn and the Part of Fortune: If Saturn is conjunct the Part of Fortune, the potency of the positive attributes of Saturn will be enhanced. The person with this conjunction will have a serious approach to life, with a sense of determination to fulfill his destiny, and a sense of responsibility to the world. Both Benjamin Franklin and George Washington had this conjunction. Uranus and the Part of Fortune: If Uranus is conjunct the Part of Fortune, the potency of Uranus will be enhanced. The person with this conjunction will be innovative, original, unique, and inventive. This conjunction might even indicate a potential for learning Astrology. This person would also have gifts and talents when involved with scientific technology and computers. Neptune and the Part of Fortune: If Neptune is conjunct the Part of Fortune, happiness and success will come easily to the person who uses Neptune in positive ways. Positive outlets are those of metaphysics, spiritual work, the arts, music, marine life, underwater exploration, and space exploration. Pluto and the Part of Fortune: If Pluto is conjunct the Part of Fortune, the potency of Pluto will be enhanced in its positive forms. The person with this conjunction can find happiness and success in all forms of detective work, ranging from crime solving to investigating the atom, from studying genetic engineering to manipulating DNA to cure cancer and AIDS. He can study the mysteries of life in order to transform and improve life on Earth for all mankind. Just as planets in one's natal horoscope interact with the horoscopes of others (his Jupiter on my Moon, etc.) so does the Part of Fortune. Next week, we will conclude our study of the Part of Fortune in the natal horoscope with an investigation of this relationship. Part of Fortune in the Signs In every beginners' class that I teach, I repeat and repeat, "The planets have the POWER; the signs tell HOW; the houses tell WHERE." These phrases mean that the planet you are investigating tells what kind of activity will take place; the sign describes the zodiacal style which characterizes the activity; the house describes the area of life in which this activity will take place. In our investigation of the Part of Fortune so far, we have seen that the Part of Fortune is an outgrowth of the Lunation Cycle in relation to the Ascendant of the horoscope. The Part of Fortune, or Pars Fortuna, is therefore a three-dimensional Sensitive Point in the horoscope, but it is not a planet. It is a place where we can find happiness, experience gain, and feel fortunate, in accordance with the house and sign it inhabits. We have already seen the manifestation of the Part of Fortune in each of the twelve houses. Now let us look at the manifestation of the Part of Fortune in each of the twelve signs. Part of Fortune in ARIES: The characteristic style of the sign Aries is action: boldly, confidently, self-assertively. Aries exercises initiative. The person with the Part of Fortune in Aries will achieve happiness and success through innovative and creative efforts. Part of Fortune in TAURUS: The characteristic style of the sign Taurus is productivity, with a need to perceive tangible results. The person with the Part of Fortune in Taurus is cautious and practical in his pursuit of happiness and success. Part of Fortune in GEMINI: The characteristic style of Gemini is to reach out and communicate. The person with the Part of Fortune in Gemini uses his communication skills and his ability to learn as he pursues happiness and success. Part of Fortune in CANCER: The characteristic style of Cancer is warm, nurturing, and maternal. The person with the Part of Fortune in Cancer seeks security in the domestic circle. For him, security is essential for happiness and success. Part of Fortune in LEO: The characteristic style of Leo is showy, grand, and generous. Leo has self-assurance and leadership ability. Leo acts self-expressively, dramatically, and creatively. The person with the Part of Fortune in Leo needs recognition from others to feel happy and successful. Part of Fortune in VIRGO: The characteristic style of Virgo is intellectual, analytical, conservative, and always seeking perfection. The person with the Part of Fortune in Virgo uses his mastery of details to attain happiness and success. Part of Fortune in LIBRA: The characteristic style of Libra is one of beauty, balance, fairness, and justice. The person with the Part of Fortune in Libra seeks his happiness and success in relationships such as marriage and partnership. Part of Fortune in SCORPIO: The characteristic style of Scorpio is secretive and intense. For the person with the Part of Fortune in Scorpio, no plan or plot is too complex to use in his pursuit of happiness and success. Part of Fortune in SAGITTARIUS: The characteristic style of Sagittarius is adventurous and expansive. The person with the Part of Fortune in Sagittarius will achieve happiness and success by reaching out to vaster mental and philosophical horizons. Part of Fortune in CAPRICORN: The characteristic style of Capricorn is serious and hard-working. The person with the Part of Fortune in Capricorn will find his happiness and success through hard work, determination, and achievement of goals. Part of Fortune in AQUARIUS: The characteristic style of Aquarius is idealistic, innovative, and unique. The person with the Part of Fortune in Aquarius will find his happiness and success by making a contribution or invention that is of benefit to all. Part of Fortune in PISCES: The characteristic style of Pisces is spiritual and mystical. The person with the Part of Fortune in Pisces will find happiness and success by concentrating on higher ideals. We all know that there are positive and negative attributes to every planet and sign. (Determined is positive; obstinate is negative, etc.) The Part of Fortune, located in a sign, mitigates the negative attributes inherent in that sign. While the sign placement of the Part of Fortune, as described above, is important, it is my personal opinion that the house placement of the Part of Fortune, as described in previous articles, is far more important. http://astrologystudy.blogspot.ro/2011/02/part-of-fortune-in-advance-astrology.html ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18802 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 20, 2014 02:16 PM
I had a short analysis of POF and famous examples and I can't seem to find it now. Anyway, in the meantime, I suggest you use the formula suitable for your TOB. I think POF gives accurate interpretations. Combine the sign with the house to see where your fortune comes from. You will receive it that way, your Part of Fortune, which is your certain "share" of fortune, let's say totally written in the stars lol. Then, by looking at the aspects, you can have a rather clear picture.For example, I have POF conjunct NN trine Moon (7th ruler -related to partnerships, suggested by rulership and aspect,plus the Moon brings fortune in "waves") sextile Mercury (intelligence and Mercurial traits/events are connected to my POF, a certain gift/talent is indicated, also 5th and 8th house matters) squared by Jupiter in 2nd Pisces, ruler of POF - a rather sudden unexpected move here, like a stroke of luck, as it is called. I think the ruler of POF and its aspects are very important too. A few personal thoughts: POF in: Aries - you will receive it by being independent, bold, Arian: connected to sports, leadership, acts of bravery, seed investments etc. Taurus - patience and accumulation, anything related to land, buildings and agriculture; staying true to principles and values Gemini - anything involving the written and spoken word, travel, friends and relatives, speculation, commerce, all intellectual professions etc. Communication and networks. Cancer - possible inheritance, family, strong set of values, anything involving caring for others, sometimes burried treasures, POF in the country of origin lol Leo - arts and shining, protectors Virgo - caring, health, medicine, service, land related, Mercury activities Libra - protectors, marriage, law, friends, relationships, Venus in Libra activities Scorpio - inheritance, all Scorpio matters, huge POF could come Sag - most likely POF is not in your country of origin, adventures, education Cap - later in life, waiting, hard work, stable authority position after POF is triggered, possible fame Aqua - POF comes from invention, independence, friends and high protectors, large groups Pisces - POF could come from anywhere lol it could be huge, hidden treasures, hidden places, unexpected, inheritance, liquids, fame etc. The houses are similar in interpretation. I'm not talking about money and riches ONLY, although the ancients considered POF a place of material luck and success. ------------------
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KarkaQueen Knowflake Posts: 6446 From: LURKING Registered: May 2011
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posted August 20, 2014 02:47 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: yes it means that. The distinction comes from the middle ages I think. Some asterologers today use the distinction, others don`t. It is actually annoying. So where is my POF now? 28 Capricorn or 15 Libra? Well 28 Capricorn would be the Moon in the secondary chart, and without the am/pm distinction. 15 Libra would be with the distinction. Of course both parts are important,a s if one is PoF the other would be Part of Spirit. Well 28 Capricorn is in my 2nd house. 15 Libra in my 10th house.
Without the distinction your POF is conjunct my Ascendant exact 
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posted August 20, 2014 03:42 PM
Leeloo,so that would make my POF 15 Libra I think. Hmm, quite close to Aphrodite on 13 degrees. Karka, so your ASC is on 28 Capricorn? IP: Logged |
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posted August 20, 2014 03:50 PM
You know what is funny?With the differentiation my PoF is in a Venus-sign in Capricorn`s house. Without it it is in Capricorn in a Venusian house. lol Anyway, the POF in 15 Libra in 10th house would be trine my Moon, square my Saturn, trine my Karma. Mr Sags PoF is in 27 Pisces (because he was a New-Moon-baby) closely on his ASC, and opposing his Saturn-Vertex-APHRODITE. and naturally squaringh is Sun-Moon-MC. even in this instance our natal charts mirror each other. lol
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posted August 20, 2014 06:19 PM
Ok guys, I think I have it. It all depends on the formula, or more like we can check it by formula. I have it from that Cochrane article (link above); Part of fortune: - ASC-PF angle = Sun-Moon angle. AND - ASC-Sun angle = Moon-PF angle. Part of Spirit:
- ASC-PS angle = Sun-Moon angle. AND - ASC-Moon angle = Sun-PS angle. So Ceri, having your Sun/Moon/ASC placements globally in mind, I guess your PoF must be 28 Cap... if I see it right?
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posted August 20, 2014 06:44 PM
^ And so in fact, when the Sun appears BELOW-the-HORIZON (1st to 6th house) on astro.com it will visually Always go hand in hand with the Part-of-Spirit, but NOT with the Part-of-Fortune (you have to calculate that on your own). IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18802 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 20, 2014 06:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by mir: Ok guys, I think I have it. It all depends on the formula, or more like we can check it by formula. I have it from that Cochrane article (link above); Part of fortune: - ASC-PF angle = Sun-Moon angle. AND - ASC-Sun angle = Moon-PF angle. Part of Spirit:
- ASC-PS angle = Sun-Moon angle. AND - ASC-Moon angle = Sun-PS angle. So Ceri, having your Sun/Moon/ASC placements globally in mind, I guess your PoF must be 28 Cap... if I see it right?
I've just checked it too. Ceri, Sun rises at about 8:30 in Nordrhein-Westfalen, so your TOB is a NIGHTTIME -the astro.com listing is correct, your POF is at 15.51 Libra. If you check "always use day formula for POF" it will give you Cap 28 - your daytime POF, but the Sun rises after your TOB. BTW, what do you think this is? 
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