posted August 19, 2014 10:39 AM            

I am mostly thinking about love-related Arabic Parts and some important ones such as:

of course, POF...a major one! a point of the BEST one can accomplish in one's life

then, perhaps:

Part of Fate
Part of Destiny
Part of Success
Part of Victory
Part of Spirit
Part of Unusual Events

Love-related Arabic Parts

Part of Love/Beauty - for mutual attraction and finding one beautiful

Part of Desire
Part of Energy/Sex Drive/Intensity/Passion/Compulsion
Part of Fascination
Part of Happiness
Part of Lovers
Part of Marriage/Partners
The two Parts of Marriage for women and the two Parts of Marriage for men
and
Part of Wedding

Something I've always thought to be interesting, haven't calculated so far, but I will do now: these Parts in the Composite chart, the common parts of the couple. Apart from their placement/aspects in the Composite, see if they aspect any of your natal planets.

If you don't have a program calculating all those, here is an online calculator of Arabic Parts. Let's play!
http://libracentre.com/arabic_parts_chart.php

BTW, PM means after sunset, not after 12 PM.

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posted August 19, 2014 11:01 AM            

The style is s.hitty and there aren't many points but still better than nothing.

posted August 19, 2014 11:13 AM            

The PoF is really the secondary Moon, Part of Karma secondary Saturn and so on.

posted August 19, 2014 11:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
BTW the arabic parts with ASC and Sun ones are the secondary chart (not to confused with the secondary progressed one, talking about the seconedary chart as Tobey mentioned it).

The PoF is really the secondary Moon, Part of Karma secondary Saturn and so on.

But there are of courese other arabic parts as well.

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posted August 19, 2014 11:22 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
lol yes, unfortunately this one has only a few Parts, and the marriage ones are missing...is there a way of calculating arabic parts in astro? Does anyone know?

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I didn't find this option :/

quote:

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BTW the arabic parts with ASC and Sun ones are the secondary chart.

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posted August 19, 2014 11:29 AM            

PoF: 28.11 Capricorn

Part of Fate: 28.02 Gemini

Part of Destiny: 13.48 Leo

Part of Victory: 2.22 Taurus
Part of Spirit; 15.51 Libra
Part of Success: 20.02 Cap
Part of Unusual Events: 1.16 Virgo

Love-related Arabic Parts

Part of Beauty - for mutual attraction and finding one beautiful (secondary venus, also called Part of Love)

17.12 Sagittarius

Part of Desire 2.29 Aries
Part of Sex Drive 9.58 Virgo
(rather the point of passion and intensity and compulsion )

Part of Fascination: 11.48 Aquarius

Part of Happiness 27.09 Cancer

Part of Lovers 9.42 Aquarius
Part of Marriage 7.55 Taurus
The two Parts of Marriage for women and the two Parts of Marriage for men

17.51 Gemini
25.05 Virgo

26.12 Taurus

the second one is the same as the Part of Beauty and Part of love.
so 17.12 Sag

Part of Partners same as Part of marriage
and
Part of Wedding 17.53 Libra

posted August 19, 2014 11:35 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:

[QUOTE]BTW the arabic parts with ASC and Sun ones are the secondary chart.

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The secondary chart is calculated using the relationship between Sun, ASC and any planet, by

adding the degrees of the planets to the ASC and substracting the Sun.

(we do the same with the Draconic chart btw, as we add any planet to 00 Aries and substracting the North Node).

So in a Draco chart let`s say Venus on 276° (or 6° Capicorn) and the North Node is on
250° (or 10° Sagittarius).

00° plus 276° minus 250° = 26° which means the Draco Venus is on 26° Aries

Same happens in the secondary chart, just that instead of the Ariespoint and North Node, we check the interrelation between Sun and ASC.

Sun: 266°
ASC: 247°
Venus: 276°

So it woul be

posted August 19, 2014 12:08 PM            

General fate

POF Sag 13.36
Part of Destiny Libra 11
Part of Fate/Karma Scorpio 15.45
Part of Unusual Events Aries 0.24
Part of Spirit Aqua 25
Part of Success Aries 17.32
Part of Victory Aqua 6.11

edit: wrong calculation, sorry, this is the correct list

Love-related Arabic Parts

Part of Desire and Sexual Attraction Virgo 14.24
Part of Energy and Sex Drive Aquarius 19
Part of Fascination Scorpio 29.46
Part of Happiness Virgo 3.15
Part of Love/Beauty Cap 5.14
Part of Lovers Cap 0.30
Part of Marriage/Partners Sag 2.11
Part of Marriage 1 Scorpio 29.47
Part of Marriage 2 Pisces 5
Part of Wedding Taurus 29.39

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posted August 19, 2014 12:10 PM            

Part of Lovers conjunct his Sun
Part of Love/Beauty conjunct his Jupiter
Part of Desire square his ASC
Part of Sex Drive conjunct his Sun
Part of Necessity conjunct his Eros-Pholus
And our parts of Eros conjunct with my Vertex on top of that

Looks like it was unavoidable.

posted August 19, 2014 12:43 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Part of Partners/Marriage conjunct Actor. I'll be with an actor? Oh, it's even opposite C's PoF, lol. Hm, right, after all he was by celeb boyfriend.

Part of Lovers conjunct his Sun
Part of Love/Beauty conjunct his Jupiter
Part of Desire square his ASC
Part of Sex Drive conjunct his Sun
Part of Necessity conjunct his Eros-Pholus
And our parts of Eros conjunct with my Vertex on top of that

Looks like it was unavoidable.

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LOl...you are TFs!

posted August 19, 2014 01:28 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
All right, as Ceri pointed out, some of them are the same, you can see them in my list and I will also correct the OP:

General fate

POF Sag 13.36
Part of Destiny Libra 11
Part of Fate/Karma Scorpio 15.45
Part of Unusual Events Aries 0.24
Part of Spirit Aqua 25
Part of Success Aries 17.32
Part of Victory Aqua 6.11

edit: wrong calculation, sorry, this is the correct list

Love-related Arabic Parts

Part of Desire and Sexual Attraction Virgo 14.24
Part of Energy and Sex Drive Aquarius 19
Part of Fascination Scorpio 29.46
Part of Happiness Virgo 3.15
Part of Love/Beauty Cap 5.14
Part of Lovers Cap 0.30
Part of Marriage/Partners Sag 2.11
Part of Marriage 1 Scorpio 29.47
Part of Marriage 2 Pisces 5
Part of Wedding Taurus 29.39

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Hm...I'm finding impressive things here...
Now looking at my Arabic Parts, I see:

POF conjunct NN trine Moon
Part of Destiny conjunct Mercury (0) my 5th/8th ruler, in Libra 8th.
Part of Fate conjunct my MC (1)...how suitable!

An interesting config with my Mars 0.30 Libra, my Part of Unusual Events...watch this! Aries 0.24! On Aries point, predictor of some very unusual...unusual events LOL Mars rules my 3rd/MC; and...Part of Lovers watch this one too! Cap 0.30, the exact degree of my Mars. So there's this Cardinal AP T/square, missing a leg in 0 Cancer.

next...

Part of Spirit in 1st, on my Avx exact
Part of Success on Alma exact, squaring ASC/DSC with Saturn
Part of Victory near Psyche, in 1st, trine Eros and Pluto

My Love-related Arabic Parts

Part of Desire and Sexual Attraction Virgo 14.24 - on my Aphrodite and Sun/Venus mdp, opp my Jupiter, square my nodal axis exact

Energy/Sex Drive/Intensity/Passion/Compulsion at Aquarius 19- squares my MC axis, making a Yod with my Sun and my DSC, so anything transiting there would trigger his Yod, perhaps injecting a lot of energy in a certain relationship, the release being in the 7th house, closest planet: the Moon, my DSC ruler. It also trines my Valentine and Karma.

Part of Fascination is the same as the part of Marriage 1: Scorpio 29.46 - This one squares my Amor/Priapus exact, sextiles my Mars/Union exact, so this fascination seems to have strong erotic undertones. Perhaps fascinated and fascinating in this respect lol In tune with my Cupido in 1st, not entering into relationships unless "fascinated". Married to a charismatic personality, perhaps.

Part of Happiness Virgo 3.15 conjuncts my Sun/Moon mdp, opposes my Ceres, squares my Eros, sextiles Lust and conjuncts Priapus

Part of Love/Beauty Cap 5.14 - squares my Mars/Pluto - it will give a tangible Mars/Pluto vibe to what I find beautiful and to my "beauty" lol Trines my Venus, sextile my Ceres, quincunx my Eros.

Part of Lovers Cap 0.30

Part of Marriage/Partners Sag 2.11 - it's part of my Venus cross

Part of Marriage 1 Scorpio 29.47 - the same with P. of Fascination

Part of Marriage 2 Pisces 5 - conjuncts my Ceres exact, I think this is nice! also part of my Venus cross! opp Venus, square Eros and Neptune.

Part of Wedding Taurus 29.39 - It opposes Part of Marriage and Fascination LOL. It squares Amor/Priapus exact trines Mars/Union etc.

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posted August 19, 2014 01:33 PM            

What I DO know is... my POF (for just now), and let that be conjunct Lee's POF, while.. my draconic POF exactly conjunct Ceri's POF, WoW, coincidence?

Natal POF; 12'58 Sag
Draco POF; 28'23 Cap

posted August 19, 2014 01:47 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
I'm not familiar with Arabic parts but I know Cochrane speaks highly of it so there must be something to it hehe.

What I DO know is... my POF (for just now), and let that be conjunct Lee's POF, while.. my draconic POF exactly conjunct Ceri's POF, WoW, coincidence?

Natal POF; 12'58 Sag
Draco POF; 28'23 Cap

I guess we can assume that PoF is the most important since Sun/Moon/Asc are involved?

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That's nice

We should play the lottery together...each gives 2 numbers

posted August 19, 2014 01:53 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Part of Partners/Marriage conjunct Actor. I'll be with an actor?

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posted August 19, 2014 01:57 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by mir:
I'm not familiar with Arabic parts but I know Cochrane speaks highly of it so there must be something to it hehe.

What I DO know is... my POF (for just now), and let that be conjunct Lee's POF, while.. my draconic POF exactly conjunct Ceri's POF, WoW, coincidence?

Natal POF; 12'58 Sag
Draco POF; 28'23 Cap

I guess we can assume that PoF is the most important since Sun/Moon/Asc are involved?

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Yes, uncanny.

And yes, PoF most important as it highights the interrelationship between the big 3.

However, some make a distinction between a.m. and p.m. births.
The secondary Moon is only the one which adds the ASC and substracts the Sun.

posted August 19, 2014 02:45 PM            

IS THE PART OF FORTUNE ASSUMED TO BE A 'FORTUNATE POINT' MERELY BECAUSE THE NAME SUGGESTS THAT IT IS SO?

posted August 19, 2014 02:48 PM            

Part of Fate: 28.02 Gemini
conjunct NESSUS exact
opposing Sun-MErcury-widely

Part of Destiny: 13.48 Leo
wide conjunction to Moon (3-4)

Part of Victory: 2.22 Taurus
conjunct 5t house cusp
opposing Uranus

Part of Spirit; 15.51 Libra
conjunct APHRODITE
opposite Draco Sun-MErcury exact

Part of Success: 20.02 Cap
conj. Sun/Moon-mp
conj. Avx
opposite EROS

Part of Unusual Events: 1.16 Virgo
no conj. or opp.

Love-related Arabic Parts

Part of Beauty - for mutual attraction and finding one beautiful (secondary venus, also called Part of Love)

17.12 Sagittarius

opposite KARMA

Part of Desire 2.29 Aries
widely conj. IC

Part of Sex Drive 9.58 Virgo
(rather the point of passion and intensity and compulsion )
opposite Jupiter-CERES-ISHTAR
conj. HEKATE-LILITH

Part of Fascination: 11.48 Aquarius
conj. PALLAS

Part of Happiness 27.09 Cancer
conj. PRIAPUS

Part of Lovers 9.42 Aquarius
conj. PALLAS

Part of Marriage 7.55 Taurus
conj. ACTOR, Eros/Psyche-mp, CHARIS
opp. Dr Saturn

17.51 Gemini
conj. Karma

25.05 Virgo
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26.12 Taurus
opp. Valentine

posted August 19, 2014 03:20 PM            

Run the chart....
You'll see Part of Fortune, Spirit, Necessity, Eros, Courage, Nemesis, Victory in the chart.....

Click on "Additional tables(PDF)"
Scroll all the way to the bottom, there is a 2 column list of all your Arabic points....

I found this very interesting because my NN scorp@21.44

Scorp@22.51- Part of "Ruler"
Scorp@21.38- Part of "Merchants and Their Work"

Leo@22.32- Part of "Treasure Trove"
Leo@21.18- Part of "Real Estate"
Leo@21.18- Part of "Bravery" & Part of "Deep Reflections"
Leo@21.22- Part of "Identity"

The leo placements would be the things I didn't accomplish in my past life, and I'm trying to accomplish in this life.

posted August 19, 2014 03:47 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
LOl...you are TFs!

And...wow...you'll marry an actor!!
My condolences ...as you say

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No, we're soulmates
And don't worry, I would train my actor

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
LOL
My Part of Marriage is conjunct Actor, too.

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posted August 19, 2014 06:05 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
For Lee,

[b]IS THE PART OF FORTUNE ASSUMED TO BE A 'FORTUNATE POINT' MERELY BECAUSE THE NAME SUGGESTS THAT IT IS SO?

Ah Ok Ceri.. so if we're all an a.m. birth we can be totally sure of our POF conjunctions.
Yes, a.m. here. [/B]

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Mir, the way I understand it (POF) and the way it has been viewed by at least a part of ancient and traditional astrologers, POF is an exclusively fortunate point in the chart. Why? Like all Arabic Parts, they are Lots - by this I understand that definite "piece" you'll get in that respect, your "piece of fortune" put aside for you. We all have these "Lots", our share of Happiness, Necessity etc. I think it's a benefic spot, all shiny and bright and no matter how small that "fortune" is for someone, no one can touch that, it's his. No clouds on this parade It makes sense, considering it involves your luminaries (your part of light) and your ASC (your part of actively being in the world, your very presence).

From Cafe Astrology:

The Part of Fortune represents worldly success, and is associated with the physical body and health as well. It can be indicative of the career or vocation. The condition and placement of the ruling planet of the Part of Fortune (that is, the natural ruler of the sign in which the Part of Fortune is placed) is important to factor into the interpretation of this Arabic part. Worldly success and prosperity are associated with the Part of Fortune, and both its sign and house placement suggests innate abilities and talents--areas of life and qualities that are expressed naturally.

The Part of Fortune lies the same distance in longitude from the Ascendant as the Moon lies from the Sun. Therefore, if for example the Sun is conjunct the Moon in the natal chart, the Part of Fortune will lie close to the Ascendant; and if the Sun and Moon are in opposition in the natal chart, the Part of Fortune will lie close to the Descendant.

It is interesting to note that the Arabic part, the Part of Spirit, is calculated in an opposite manner, and also symbolizes the reverse or opposite theme of spiritual well-being.

Keys to the Interpretation of the Part of Fortune:
As noted above, the Part of Fortune points to innate talents that set us on a path to worldly success.

First look to any planets or points that are tightly conjunct or opposite the Part of Fortune as significators of vocation, career, and natural talents--keys to success.
Second, determine the ruling planet of the sign of the Part of Fortune, and consider that planet as another significator.
Consider the sign and house placement of the Part of Fortune as qualities and areas of life where we possess natural and innate talents or abilities, and that can be considered keys to worldly success and prosperity.
Look to any planets or points posited in the same sign as the Part of Fortune, whether or not they are conjunct the point. These will also play a role in our profession.

posted August 20, 2014 07:58 AM            

the differenc eis not between a.m. and p.m. but between day- and night births.