posted September 15, 2014 02:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Where is his Mars/Pluto-mp?=

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posted September 15, 2014 02:28 PM            

Also I know not everyone uses that but I find quindeciles to be rather strong as it seems (if with narrow orb), and the Venus/Pluto, Mars/Pluto or Moon/Pluto midpoints as well (1,5 degree orb; 4th harmonic aspects).

posted September 15, 2014 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Is your Moon tightly square your Pluto?

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3 degrees.

posted September 15, 2014 03:18 PM            

For me, it has ALWAYS been Venus in Gemini and/or Mars in the 7th house/Aries Descendant.
Plays out like that every single time: I'm super invested, they seem like they couldn't care less about me and my life over time. We get along very well at first, but they quickly seem to lose interest (the minute I decide that hey, I think they're cool and want to hang out more often).

So... is it possible to see in your chart why these are such dealbreakers for them? Even when there were tons of aspects that should've made up for it (like they had a lot of earth and water, too, that suits my planets and some fire that my Sun can trine), I put a lot of planets + my Ascendant in their 5th and 7th house, aspects to all three the romance rulers, but nope. These days I admit (pathetic, I know) I even say a prayer to myself before checking the birth data of someone new, hoping fervently they won't have these two placements. The only exceptions have been online (for Venus in Gemini, and only with female friends) or when Mars was conjunct the Descendant from the 6th house side. Everything else and I can just as well forget it.

I'll post my chart in a minute. Anyone who can help me? It gets depressing to see this come back so often. Moreover, Gemini/Mercury/3rd house and Aries/Mars are heavily involved in my 5th and 7th house attraction pattern, so they are so very much my type (even for a friend).

Or have I just explained one of your rules on not being attracted despite good synastry?

posted September 15, 2014 04:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well I do not know if that is true for everyone, but Mr Sag`s Pluto squares my Sun/Moon-mp by 0°08, and the man drives me insane, that`s for sure (his Pluto also squares my Vertex by 0°11 and my EROS by 0°24, so I can never be sure what it really is. lol).

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posted September 15, 2014 04:49 PM            

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Originally posted by meissieri:
Can I ask about the reverse? Thing is, I've seen a pattern come back with people I'm attracted to, but who don't feel the same way - and even in friendships/acquaintances I was always the one more invested than the other.

For me, it has ALWAYS been Venus in Gemini and/or Mars in the 7th house/Aries Descendant.
Plays out like that every single time: I'm super invested, they seem like they couldn't care less about me and my life over time. We get along very well at first, but they quickly seem to lose interest (the minute I decide that hey, I think they're cool and want to hang out more often).

So... is it possible to see in your chart why these are such dealbreakers for them? Even when there were tons of aspects that should've made up for it (like they had a lot of earth and water, too, that suits my planets and some fire that my Sun can trine), I put a lot of planets + my Ascendant in their 5th and 7th house, aspects to all three the romance rulers, but nope. These days I admit (pathetic, I know) I even say a prayer to myself before checking the birth data of someone new, hoping fervently they won't have these two placements. The only exceptions have been online (for Venus in Gemini, and only with female friends) or when Mars was conjunct the Descendant from the 6th house side. Everything else and I can just as well forget it.

I'll post my chart in a minute. Anyone who can help me? It gets depressing to see this come back so often. Moreover, Gemini/Mercury/3rd house and Aries/Mars are heavily involved in my 5th and 7th house attraction pattern, so they are so very much my type (even for a friend).

Or have I just explained one of your rules on not being attracted despite good synastry?

Ediiit: Yeah, I have stuff in my chart pointing at falling for unavailable types, feeling things intensely, trouble with setting boundaries. Just wondered why it's these particular two placements every time, you know?

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Wait...you mean he has to have Gem Venus and Mars in 7th/Aries for you to be attracted?

What about the placements attracted to you? Because they can also be seen in your chart.

posted September 15, 2014 05:12 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Wait...you mean he has to have Gem Venus and Mars in 7th/Aries for you to be attracted?

What about the placements attracted to you? Because they can also be seen in your chart.

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Ahh no, sorry. Knew that was going to sound confusing. I meant the other way around - if you can see in your own chart why these people are not attracted to you. If that's even possible...

Like in my example when they have Venus in Gemini and/or Aries DSC/Mars in H7/very Martian, it plays out like that. While I'm very attracted/invested, they are not attracted (or not as much) to me. That's got to be a synastry thing, right? Or maybe just by looking at my own chart?

They're not a must, but yes, I do like men with these placements.

posted September 15, 2014 06:32 PM            

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Originally posted by meissieri:
Ahh no, sorry. Knew that was going to sound confusing. I meant the other way around - if you can see in your own chart why these people are not attracted to you. If that's even possible...

Like in my example when they have Venus in Gemini and/or Aries DSC/Mars in H7/very Martian, it plays out like that. While I'm very attracted/invested, they are not attracted (or not as much) to me. That's got to be a synastry thing, right? Or maybe just by looking at my own chart?

They're not a must, but yes, I do like men with these placements.

Hope this one was more clear for you now. Thanks.

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So you like men with these placements: Venus in Gemini and/or Aries DSC/Mars in H7/? But you think they don't like you back. Post your chart, I know it must be somewhere in the "ideal partner" thread, but for the sake of the discussion here, post it here too. I wonder if there's a pattern with this and why these placements wouldn't be attracted in return.

On the other hand, as Vajra said, it's on a case by case basis. Maybe these placements trigger your "obsessive" planets (we all have them) and you just over-invest the attraction from your side, as it happens with obsessive planets? When our obsessive planets are triggered, we actually don't care about what we need, we just want that thing and the attraction/so-called love is often more or less inflated in our minds.

But maybe this is not the case, let's see the chart, it's a very interesting topic.

posted September 15, 2014 06:51 PM            

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Originally posted by starmoon:

Lotis... is this on a blog/website somewhere just by itself? it's a little difficult to read through the threads with the posts all throughout

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Hi Starmoon,

posted September 15, 2014 06:55 PM            

Hello, meissieri! Regarding unrequited attraction/love or chemistry that runs hot/cold (Person A likes Person B but Person B doesn't reciprocate- then the reverse), Lotis White posted the thread for this:

Unrequited Love http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/206782.html

KarkaQueen: I agree with LeeLoo2014 that there is nothing that screams "major attraction" in your synastry, and I am NOT including asteroids, just planets, houses, etc. What do you see as being "potent"? I see a Venus-Uranus contact, but the Venus is already in Aquarius, so the jolt, I suspect, would be minor compared to, say, a Venus in Scorpio. There are some nice trines (including a Venus-Pluto) and the Sun-Jupiter conjunction. Again, nothing to write home about on their own. House-wise, your 5th and 8th house ruler (Mercury) shows no attraction aspects to his chart. Nor does your 7th ruler (Moon). Your ASC ruler is unaspected completely. There is little in the way of aspects to his ASC ruler (Pluto), 5th ruler (Mars), and 8th ruler (Mercury). His 7th ruler (Venus) is technically in your first house but is actually in a different sign, and there is no conjunction.

Ceridwen, hello! I love your username. As in the Celtic group? Is there a way to see quindeciles using astro.com? Or does one need to calculate? Also, someone years ago attempted to explain harmonics to me, and it never stuck I'm afraid. Can harmonics be applied to synastry? If so, how? Which ones? And when you say "the man drives you insane", do you mean he bothers you because of an obsession on his part?

Hi, Vajra! Well stated! While I enjoy astrology a great deal, I do not believe anyone has proven its validity beyond a shadow of a doubt. This is why I said "if astrology works." However, and this is where proving it would become exceedingly complicated, one cannot simply look at the natal charts, current synastry progressions, transits, etc., without also looking at geography (do they all live in the same location their entire lives? astrocartography) and the major influences (childhood/youth synastry) of other people in his or her life. If, of the five people, two grew up in abusive homes, and one grew up without a mother, for example, this would influence them quite differently. How does one measure this influence? I think that is one of the major keys that has yet to be (if it ever is) discovered. As for physical attraction alone, now we get into the realm of genetics. These five people MAY have certain traits in common, or they may not. Is THIS revealed in astrology? If so, how? To my mind, it's not that astrology is necessarily wrong, it's simply that we have not found a way to incorporate every influence (nature and nurture) into an astrological profile for a human being. What a task... LOL

posted September 15, 2014 07:10 PM            

I'm not sure if I understood correctly the part of your post addressed to starmoon and me. Are these synastries you posted celeb crushes? That won't be a problem, it's just that's a special astrology branch lol
From my experience:
1. there's no way to evaluate physical chemistry with someone you've never met, it can only be done in person (and it's different from finding someone pretty)
2. synastries with the celeb of your choice/people from magazines are almost always perfect, there are several reasons for that and it's a very common fact, a very interesting one in fact
Just my subjective opinions and experience.

posted September 15, 2014 10:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Sabina79:
Hi Orange! Yes, it has been a long time. I go onto astrology forums about once every 6-7 years or so. It's very cyclical. I'll be back to genealogy in a few weeks. LOL

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posted September 16, 2014 12:44 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
except that there aren't potent attraction aspects in your synastry Where are the aspects to your Mercury, without which you're not attracted?? And his Mars is unaspected? Why would he be attracted? His Mercury would love a Gem Venus or Mars, but much earlier in the sign.

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posted September 16, 2014 12:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Sabina79:
Hello again LeeLoo2014 and starmoon: I will do my best to think of another analogy. Please note that I specifically said "PART of what we are attempting to decipher" which means we are covering far more ground than the physically-appealing aspects. That being said, I do not agree that being physically drawn to someone you've never actually met is ALWAYS disassociated from sexual chemistry. Of course, it can be, as LeeLoo pointed out. Initial impressions can lead to a total lack of chemistry. You say "it happens many times [finding someone physically appealing]." Well, no, it doesn't for everyone. If it does for your two, or even for everyone else on this board, fantastic! I aspire. However, this is certainly not true for me and not for many other people. I am rarely physically attracted to anyone, whether in a magazine, TV or in life. When I am, invariably there is a hell of a lot going on between our charts which indicates that were we to meet (or if we have met) sexual chemistry (just according to synastry) would likely back up any initial, seemingly shallow, first impressions. In other words, I won't be drawn to a man even superficially UNLESS there are significant grounds for so-called sexual chemistry per astrology. They are tied together for me- and for others. As for sexual compatibility, you're right. That is, of course, a different matter and cannot be determined without the two (or three, four, etc.) being sexually involved. I have seen a lot of threads online (and books!) that tell us who is and isn't sexually COMPATIBLE- no doubt you guys have seen a few yourselves. LOL Wouldn't it be lovely to know beforehand if a man thought he was supposed to stick it in your ear? Bottom line, everyone has different needs.

Hello, meissieri! Regarding unrequited attraction/love or chemistry that runs hot/cold (Person A likes Person B but Person B doesn't reciprocate- then the reverse), Lotis White posted the thread for this:

Unrequited Love http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/206782.html

KarkaQueen: I agree with LeeLoo2014 that there is nothing that screams "major attraction" in your synastry, and I am NOT including asteroids, just planets, houses, etc. What do you see as being "potent"? I see a Venus-Uranus contact, but the Venus is already in Aquarius, so the jolt, I suspect, would be minor compared to, say, a Venus in Scorpio. There are some nice trines (including a Venus-Pluto) and the Sun-Jupiter conjunction. Again, nothing to write home about on their own. House-wise, your 5th and 8th house ruler (Mercury) shows no attraction aspects to his chart. Nor does your 7th ruler (Moon). Your ASC ruler is unaspected completely. There is little in the way of aspects to his ASC ruler (Pluto), 5th ruler (Mars), and 8th ruler (Mercury). His 7th ruler (Venus) is technically in your first house but is actually in a different sign, and there is no conjunction.

Ceridwen, hello! I love your username. As in the Celtic group? Is there a way to see quindeciles using astro.com? Or does one need to calculate? Also, someone years ago attempted to explain harmonics to me, and it never stuck I'm afraid. Can harmonics be applied to synastry? If so, how? Which ones? And when you say "the man drives you insane", do you mean he bothers you because of an obsession on his part?

Hi, Vajra! Well stated! While I enjoy astrology a great deal, I do not believe anyone has proven its validity beyond a shadow of a doubt. This is why I said "if astrology works." However, and this is where proving it would become exceedingly complicated, one cannot simply look at the natal charts, current synastry progressions, transits, etc., without also looking at geography (do they all live in the same location their entire lives? astrocartography) and the major influences (childhood/youth synastry) of other people in his or her life. If, of the five people, two grew up in abusive homes, and one grew up without a mother, for example, this would influence them quite differently. How does one measure this influence? I think that is one of the major keys that has yet to be (if it ever is) discovered. As for physical attraction alone, now we get into the realm of genetics. These five people MAY have certain traits in common, or they may not. Is THIS revealed in astrology? If so, how? To my mind, it's not that astrology is necessarily wrong, it's simply that we have not found a way to incorporate every influence (nature and nurture) into an astrological profile for a human being. What a task... LOL

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posted September 16, 2014 05:35 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Selene, in that synastry I see a major potential for obsession with his Sun/Venus/Merc square his Pluto, and your Moon opp his stellium and you have mutual Moon/Pluto square, so you say there's no obsession? Plus the guy has Lilith on his 5th cusp, major Lilith crushes for him.

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posted September 16, 2014 05:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Sabina79:
Hi LeeLoo: LOL, no the synastries are not of celebs. Jef and I share a godmother, so we've known each other for decades. As for the other, he is the friend of a friend. The multi-faceted attraction is mutual but, for economic reasons, cannot be acted upon presently, as we live in different countries. Try not to read too much into the magazine models comment. It was merely an example. I could have said "in a police lineup." LOL I agree that synastry with celebs is its own branch and, in fact, believe I read a thread on LindaLand about that very thing years ago. However, I'm not sure what you mean by "special." My grandmother was a Hollywood actress. Nothing "special" about her, or any celeb, for that matter, if defined by occupation and public standing alone. A man is a man whether he acts or unclogs my drain. LOL In terms of synastry, I think it's just a matter of having experienced different things, you and I. You believe synastry only begins to work when people meet. I believe it can work long before then. Not all aspects, but certainly some, including physical chemistry. For example, the sound of someone's voice. A woman on the radio (back in the 90s) told a DJ in D.C. that the voice of Michael Bolton, alone, could bring her to orgasm. Interesting, that. Won't lie. I'm a bit jealous. LOL

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Ah OK In this case, one possible explanation for not being attracted, you being family friends, is the fact that you've known each other for a long time and in a family context - people usually sublimate their attraction in these cases.

About celeb crush synastry, my view could be summarized a bit as follows: synastries with celebrities always look very good because out of hundreds of faces at our disposal (magazines, movies, TV etc) we get to chose, for our own fantasy life, the ones who push our astrology buttons, so to speak, the ones completing our charts. There are plenty of choices, of course you'll be attracted to the one fulfilling some sort of ideal for you. But that person is a collective icon, an idol, it has a symbolic value. Michael Bolton has millions of perfect synastries with his millions of fans from several generations, I suppose. This doesn't change the fact that the synastry is, of course, not active, because a synastry works both ways and he has no idea you exist, you do nothing for him ( no orgasms lol - unless he gets off from knowing he has millions of fans, which he probably does). That's why the synastry of celeb crushes is actually the synastry of an idol and his fandom. The job of celebrities is to embody some sort of collective ideal, it's not random that they became famous, they do have this potential and that's what they are to the unknown people who are their fans.
Some celebs, because of what they inspire, can even change the life of their fans and have a powerful impact, like in your example and some examples are even scary in this respect, and they really do impact many generations of people, but this is an unilateral impact, having an idol, a model is part of human nature, but this has nothing to do with the principle of synastry, which is the map of an existing or potential relationship, the idol stuff is a different phenomenon, IMO, that's why the synastry between a fan and their celeb crush is almost always so very good.

posted September 16, 2014 05:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
Yes, there are factors that make it for him. But the reason i posted it was the fact that his Mars is pretty unaspected in that synastry and that doesn't refrain him from being attracted.

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I'm not sure physical chemistry and obsession are the same thing. Obsession is an attraction of the mind, so to speak, the mind indulging in a fantasy.