posted September 16, 2014 06:50 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I'm not sure physical chemistry and obsession are the same thing. Obsession is an attraction of the mind, so to speak, the mind indulging in a fantasy.

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posted September 16, 2014 08:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Sabina79:

Ceridwen, hello! I love your username. As in the Celtic group? Is there a way to see quindeciles using astro.com? Or does one need to calculate? Also, someone years ago attempted to explain harmonics to me, and it never stuck I'm afraid. Can harmonics be applied to synastry? If so, how? Which ones? And when you say "the man drives you insane", do you mean he bothers you because of an obsession on his part?

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My username, well that was a weird story. Som years ago (2004 I think) I was waking up because I heard someone calling me, but instead of my real name ít was "Ceridwen".
I remembered that weird dream when I was thinking of a new username, especially since I find it funny that it is slightly similiar to the pronouncation of my real name (just softer).
Until a few years ago I had not even any idea that Ceridwen was a Goddess from celtic mythology. Someone on here was telling me that. lol

Quindeciles are calculated like I am Cappy said. opposition minus or plus 15 degrees. Noel Tyl is using it extensively, and though I am still researching, I find them gobsmackingly fitting. lol

As for harmonics, yes, they can be applied to synastry of course.
For a start I`d focus on the (4th), 5th and 9th harmonic, though the 7th can be interesting as well.
Basically they highlight some minor aspects.
I think the 5th harmonic is really fun, when you looks for that special someone whith whom relating feels like a dance that noone else but you knows the moves to (and hence sometimes people think the couple is a bit zany), and you just feel that magic drive together, then look for someone with whom your 5th harmonic fits. Delicious.
(I am biased though I have an exact Moon-Mars-quintile, which of course becomes a close conjunction in the 5th harmonic chart)

posted September 16, 2014 09:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
He did mean it in a purely physical way if you ask me.

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Well, then he must be But you know how guys are, they think they're attracted to any good-looking girl; but when people get close, things may seem different and an unaspected male Mars is no the highest potential a guy can reach in terms of physical attraction and compatibility.

Or it may very well be a Lilith thing. There is a Lilith/Juno DW.

Anyway, the guy is HEAVILY Plutonian. Sun/Venus/Merc square Pluto, Pluto on MC in Scorpio, Pluto on SN etc.

posted September 16, 2014 12:50 PM            

KarkaQueen: Happy to help!

I'm so cappy, hello! Thank you. I know what a quindecile is, I was just hoping some website (i.e. astro.com) would include it when generating a chart. Easy enough to calculate though. Are you a Capricorn then? Or do you have a Capricorn stellium?

Hi LeeLoo: No worries! We've known each other for years but have only physically met a handful of times, so... regardless, it's unimportant. I'd say we've exhausted the synastry at this point. LOL Thank you for showing an interest though; I appreciate it. I know what you're saying. If father and daughter have major sexual synastry but sublimate it... as I mentioned earlier in the thread, I would be interested in studying the charts of incestuous couples (mutually responsible ones, of course). Another thread, perhaps, assuming said couples would out themselves for the sake of the study. Come on guys, take one for the team, I say. V.C. Andrews would approve! As to the concept of synastry (when it begins), as well as the celebrity "crushes", these would warrant- and have warranted- their own threads. I suspect you and I could exhaust the subjects just by ourselves, going back and forth. Hmmm, worth considering. Your comment about Michael Bolton getting off... classic. And likely so true.

posted September 16, 2014 04:31 PM            

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I'm so cappy, hello! Thank you. I know what a quindecile is, I was just hoping some website (i.e. astro.com) would include it when generating a chart.

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Are you a Capricorn then? Or do you have a Capricorn stellium?

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posted September 17, 2014 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Sabina79:
Lonake, hello! Thank you for including your own experience. You make a great case, again, for studying the natal chart FIRST before looking at synastry, and looking at patterns are especially important. Why does your Mercury function more as your Venus and your Venus more as your Moon. I'm trying to visualize this.

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Hey, sorry was gone for the wknd. Plus didn't expect a reply asking for anything oops.
Mercury is in the 7th, conj the Dsc., sextile Dsc ruler in the 5th. So 3 factors make it relationship oriented and it gets contacted in my romantic synastries, more than.....
Venus which rules the 4th and is conj the Moon (Cancer NN ruler). Plus Venus doesn't connect to Mercury nor the DSC ruler, nor anything in the 5th/8th.

So basically I use Mercury to reach out to people/attract instead of Venus, and I use Venus to connect to people more on the emotional level once I'm closer to them (alongside the Moon), and at work (since it sits in the 6th with the Moon).

posted September 17, 2014 04:03 PM            

Hi, I'm so cappy. No dumbing down. LOL Cool. I've always been a little jealous of people who have at least two of their personal planets in the same sign. It suggests more inner harmony to me. Mine are in five different signs and half the time it's like having bickering kids in my head.

posted September 17, 2014 04:06 PM            

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Hi, I'm so cappy. No dumbing down. LOL Cool. I've always been a little jealous of people who have at least two of their personal planets in the same sign. It suggests more inner harmony to me. Mine are in five different signs and half the time it's like having bickering kids in my head.

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But...I only have the Sun there when it comes to personal planets I'm the outer stellium baby.

posted September 17, 2014 04:59 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
So you like men with these placements: Venus in Gemini and/or Aries DSC/Mars in H7/? But you think they don't like you back. Post your chart, I know it must be somewhere in the "ideal partner" thread, but for the sake of the discussion here, post it here too. I wonder if there's a pattern with this and why these placements wouldn't be attracted in return.

On the other hand, as Vajra said, it's on a case by case basis. Maybe these placements trigger your "obsessive" planets (we all have them) and you just over-invest the attraction from your side, as it happens with obsessive planets? When our obsessive planets are triggered, we actually don't care about what we need, we just want that thing and the attraction/so-called love is often more or less inflated in our minds.

But maybe this is not the case, let's see the chart, it's a very interesting topic.

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I'm curious about a pattern, too, Lee. It's happened too many times not to be. Hmm... you know, that could very well be about obsessive planets. This chart actually shows both my BMLs as well and I have Nessus, the big obsession centaur, conjunct my Venus. Then the semi-square from Pluto. Priapus opposite Venus (27 Pisces)...
Maybe that's a big part of the story too, me just over-investing. But just for research, taken from your Ideal Partner thread (yeah, it was there):

Very curious if anyone can find more clues why these placements seem never to return the feelings (even platonically, like I feel stronger about them than the other way around).

posted September 17, 2014 05:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Sabina79:
Hi, Orange. You are actually the only one I remember by name from that time. Very unusual for me. As I recall, you were torn between two men at the time. How did that work out? (Years later...) LOL

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posted September 18, 2014 05:58 PM            

I think the reason you go for Gem Venus in a guy is because of the {in}famous Mars/Venus square *if their Venus is in early Gem - an aspect making a woman feel a very strong physical attraction for a man, but many times unrequited, unless the contacts for the man are equally strong (multiple aspects to his attraction planets) If their Venus is late in the sign, the same Venus would also oppose your Uranus, your 5th ruler, and Uranus gives the feeling the attraction is super strong and urgent.

However these placements are not the best for you when it comes to mutual attraction and compatibility. The men who would be most attracted to you (with you to them at the same time) will have:

Mars in Pisces as the best option for both
Mars in Taurus in your 8th opp your Pluto
Mars in Cap on your Moon/Neptune
Mars in Scorpio on your Pluto
and of course, Mars in Libra on your ASC would always be physically attracted to you

Other Marses who would be very attracted to you would be Mars in Virgo, and Mars in Gem and Sag all in aspect to your Venus.

So you do have a lot of options when it comes to men being attracted to you.

The best option for you is a guy with Venus in Pisces by all means, making your MR, falling in your 5th. Then Venus in early Taurus is a great option too. Which makes me think Sun in Aries is really a great option for you, suggested by this Venus and your Moon; Sun around 15 Aries. (but not Mars)

A guy having a combo of these three planets Sun Mars Venus would most certainly be as attracted to you as you are to him.

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posted September 19, 2014 02:06 PM            

Ok the 2nd chart? Man #2

Ok you first,
Mercurial, gem Dsc, holding gem moon, virgo mars (conj jupiter in 9th full,speed ahead)
But then they're both in aspect to Jupiter/Neptune which is someone broadminded and philosophical, big picture type
And then Mercury ruling mars moon Dsc is in Sagittarius.
So there's something about someone with a very firm grasp of cultural differences, very versatile, a lot of ideas, someone quite energetic but also potential for being anxious and scattered when he doesn't have an avenue to apply his mental energy where he's needed.
Mercury squares Saturn in virgo at the mc frustrating or emphasizing the issue with applying his mental energy in the right venue.
The cap sun in the 1st emphasizes the Mercury square to saturn at Mc, so someone quite success oriented and prides himself on succeeding in the material world. Likes his creature comforts when he's able to relax.
The sun trines jupiter mars in Virgo again emphasizing the drive to get where he wants to be. A person who despite his scattered or anxious mind can be quite assertive. And also is quite masculine but enjoys the simple things.
Sagittarius Merc plus sun trine jupiter, an optimist in spite of mental anxiety and worldly concerns. People notice him despite the fact that he's quite down to earth. They sense that he's enthused about where he wants to go and where he's at. So maybe his anxieties or worries are covered up when he's on his right path, but when he feels "lost" then they start to take over.
Venus in the 2nd emphasizes material concerns, someone who wants to work to get where they want to be. Trine moon in air in 7th, easy breezy attitude with women and they like him for it. Quincunx virgo jup emphasizes optimism, but brings to the forefront that he may not know when to call it quits, to not help someone out, to draw boundaries. That goes along with Moon/mars to jupiter/neptune.

So a lot of the chart works together to paint a pretty clear picture of "some man."
Not sure if that makes sense for the partner you like or tend to get but its what I see lol.
I know it's written haphazardly, I just put it up as I went along.

Ok now to his chart,

Damn he's got a lot of taurus which fulfills necessity for oriented toward material reality. Plus it's Sun and Mars! Masculine energy emphasis fits well with your sun/mars trine. His taurus works well with your venus in the 2nd.
Mars conjunct Merc in the 3rd for a rapid fire mentality, works with your gem/virgo emphasis. He's very sharp.
Sun trine moon in earth, quite comfy in his skin which I'm sure you love, but his 12th moon holds him back a bit, and fits with your moon/neptune.
Jupiter conj uranus at the mc, jup rules Mc and uranus rules asc, someone who definitely wants to be someone in the eyes of the world. And then he has the earth emphasis to work to get there.
The aqua asc fits with your venus,as,does the gem venus. The gem venus fits with your gem Dsc, so someone,you feel you can be buddy buddy with, which works for your merc as 7th ruler in your 1st.
The jupiter uranus sadge at Mc can project an "up and at em" feel, like he's hopeful that good things will come his way, works with your sun jupiter trine, merc Sadge.
Saturn sextile neptune in 10th, working to make dreams come true, a very hopeful optimistic guy despite the heavy material earth emphasis.

posted September 20, 2014 05:04 PM            

I'm no astrologer, that's just the pattern I noticed. I also noticed that I keep attracting men into my life that aspect particular planets over and over again in the same ways (sun to my saturn/south node conjunctions and mars or moon on my moon/venus/mars). And I've learned that those are the areas about myself I'm trying to understand. I'm realizing more and more that part of the issue in those "promising" relationships as dictated by synastry, came from the fact that the energetic attraction was there but I had not correctly incorporated those energies into my personality.

posted September 20, 2014 09:19 PM            

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^ how about if the guy is romantic or gentle, does that sit well with you?

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posted September 21, 2014 05:17 AM            

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I know why I'm attracted to him, but I wondered why he is attracted to me (for astrological purposes). It's life, so it doesn't matter in the end. I will say, too, that while I am American, I have never found American men attractive. I strongly suspect this is because of 9th house themes in my own chart. Jupiter rising, Mars-Jupiter conj in the 9th, etc. Jef is American. Man2 is a Brit.

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In answer to the question of how he could potentially be attracted to you astrologically, there are a few connections that I'm seeing.

Firstly, his 7th house ruler the Sun is tightly trine your Mars. Because the Sun rules the 7th house, it takes on a 'Venus-like' flavor. And so the Sun/Mars trine also takes on some of the vibe of a Venus/Mars aspect.

Next up, your Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn all fall in his 7th house. Due to the fact that Mars is a personal planet, and Jupiter and Saturn rule your Sagittarius Asc & Mercury, and Capricorn Sun, this could be quite significant.

He has Gemini on the 5th house cusp and you have a Gemini Moon. It's in his 4th house but there is a symbolic link to your Moon by sign (your personal style). His 5th house ruler Mercury in Taurus trines your Virgo Saturn in his 7th house. Supposedly not the most passionate tie to the 5th house, but again, as Saturn rules the your Sun sign there could be something to this.

posted September 23, 2014 05:46 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Meissieri,
I remember your beautiful chart, just waiting to be completed in 1-2-3 lol
The reason why you feel attraction towards Aries is pretty obvious, due to your DSC, and perhaps your Vx and your opp to Lilith in your 1st. But it is not the best Mars for you. It's that kind of attraction related to a few previous experiences perhaps, but have you ever gone a bit far with it? like having a boyfriend with Mars in Aries? Cause if you did, I suspect you would be over an Aries Mars.

I think the reason you go for Gem Venus in a guy is because of the {in}famous Mars/Venus square *if their Venus is in early Gem - an aspect making a woman feel a very strong physical attraction for a man, but many times unrequited, unless the contacts for the man are equally strong (multiple aspects to his attraction planets) If their Venus is late in the sign, the same Venus would also oppose your Uranus, your 5th ruler, and Uranus gives the feeling the attraction is super strong and urgent.

However these placements are not the best for you when it comes to mutual attraction and compatibility. The men who would be most attracted to you (with you to them at the same time) will have:

Mars in Pisces as the best option for both
Mars in Taurus in your 8th opp your Pluto
Mars in Cap on your Moon/Neptune
Mars in Scorpio on your Pluto
and of course, Mars in Libra on your ASC would always be physically attracted to you

Other Marses who would be very attracted to you would be Mars in Virgo, and Mars in Gem and Sag all in aspect to your Venus.

So you do have a lot of options when it comes to men being attracted to you.

The best option for you is a guy with Venus in Pisces by all means, making your MR, falling in your 5th. Then Venus in early Taurus is a great option too. Which makes me think Sun in Aries is really a great option for you, suggested by this Venus and your Moon; Sun around 15 Aries. (but not Mars)

A guy having a combo of these three planets Sun Mars Venus would most certainly be as attracted to you as you are to him.

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Ahh, yes, you remember, right? Just needs someone with one aspect right on a certain degree... it's a lot harder than it sounds!

True, true, it's pretty obvious what I want, but if I'm what they are looking for... that's often where I walk right into a wall. Of course, of course. The Mars-Venus square. Didn't you make a thread about it? There was one recently where you all concluded it can be unrequited. This happened actually. But the weird thing is, I didn't get this with my Venus in Sag ex, who chased me instead. And with Faith here, we even have a DW of Venus square Mars and so far, no problems.

But... that brings me to your next point. Wow. I'm just amazed. How did you guess? Yes, that Venus in Sag guy also had Mars in Aries on my Descendant exact. It was my first serious boyfriend, so he definitely set the tone for my attractions. Haha, you guessed it actually. I love, love, love Aries planets, but Mars would be my least favourite. Obviously it can work, but I initially don't feel at ease with their impatience and the hardcore way they go after you (or something they want). Probably some of the squares to my Cap and Cancer planets, too. But depending on how willing they are to stick around (sorry Rams, but the ones of you I've met didn't exactly have a long attention span), I can grow to deal and obviously start finding it cute and flattering.

And wow again, you really bring up things I would have never thought of in a million years. You're right, late Gem Venuses do touch my Uranus, giving me the instant spark. They catch me offguard sometimes. Out of sign aspects are still tricky to spot for me! They'd also touch my Vesta, making me super dedicated to them (and not always good for me).

Sadly, I agree they aren't the best matches for me (and probably not for them either, in the long run). Late Sag squaring my Venus seems to work beautifully, yes. Especially in friendships it pops up quite a bit. Oddly, late Gemini does work with women but not with men. Huh? Fellow Virgo, yeah. Easy energy.

Thanks for all of your suggestions! Phew, that's still a lot to choose from. Yes, I remember you saying Venus in Taurus would be good, sounds good hearing they may feel the same way. ^ As for Mars in Taurus... my longest relationship had it and we were definitely very attracted to each other physically. Pisces - I've only known one classmate who has it. Can't say how it'd work, but I've found your theory on pattern completing works. A lot of significant men (not all romantically) had an inner planet or Ascendant in Pisces opposing my Venus and Juno. Mars in Cap and Scorpio are hot too, love conjunctions from them.

As for Venus in Pisces... again, how did you even guess?? One of my housemates and a sweet friend has this opposing my Venus, closing my T-square. Very easy energy and I feel very much treated like an equal. It's odd, I hadn't expected that from an Aquarius, but apparently Pisces inner planets really change how they act. He needed a special mention, yeah.

You think Mars in Libra would be okay? They do square a lot in my chart. Of course, I've learnt to deal with it, but I guess it's a bit of a fear for me, finding out someone has Aries or Libra planets on that Asc-Dsc axis. It's all so dependent on how much they can accept all of these squares. -_- But... thanks again! I'll keep it in mind - so it's the planet person who finds the Angle person attractive?

posted September 24, 2014 05:39 AM            

I've found something coming back in nearly all mutual relationships (in the broadest sense) of whom I have their birth chart.
Contacts to my Ceres and/or Vesta, usually positive aspects, but the opposition as well. For as far as I know about these two, I think it suits my personality, reaching out to others by nurturing and just being dedicated to them.

Usually Saturn and/or Pluto contacts to my Venus as well. All of the above would aspect my Venus, actually, plus Vesta, Eros, my Nodes, Sun and if within orb, Ceres. That's a lot of hits. I remember Lotus pointing that out and it works. Still trying to think of why Sagittarius squares are so much easier than from Gemini. I'm going to check where they have their Jupiter and Mercury (dispositors) sometime.
Sun-Moon often as well, and like you said, contacts to my Descendant or Vertex.

For a very long time, I thought the unrequited came from my Neptune making harsh aspects to inner planets (the thread Lotus linked found this out), but I've had this in relationships, so obviously it doesn't always work that way. Does anyone have an idea how this can be balanced out?

posted September 25, 2014 09:14 AM            

I think your Neptune is well integrated in your chart, part of the angle cross. Anyone putting a planet on your angles enters an already stable structure, it's unlikely they'll make you go gaga...at least not for long

I'm positive about a cardinal Sun for you, especially Aries, and then a Taurus or 15 PIsces Sun.

Mars in Libra will be very attracted to you on a physical level, but it doesn't necessarily promise a long-term mutually satifying relationship.

Usually planets notice ASC first, because the ASC is our first impression, but the ASC is a highly reactive point, it has an Aries flavor and we react back soon enough. We feel those on your angles in a strong way, and we react in a strong manner, strong like or dislike, especially on ASC and IC, IMO.

posted October 07, 2014 08:19 AM            

Anyway, hmmm, that could be about Neptune. It is pretty prominent in my chart, being conjunct an angle and a light. Plus some accidental dignity because of the 4th house (wasn't Neptune exalted in Cancer?), making many aspects. Haha, sometimes they do make me go gaga for a long time. But maybe that's more of a Pluto obsession thing... or my 12th house Venus. It's true that I'm used to having all of my angles hit & stressed. What that'd be like for the guy, I can't tell you.

Mmm, sure. I've had a crush on a late Pisces friend once and for Taurus... lol, too many to mention. (My dad's a bull, too, I see that as having a lot of influence as well). I do like Aries Suns with Pisces or Taurus inner planets. I find it waters down the Aries impatience a lot, especially when their Mars (Sun's dispositor) is in an earth or water sign.

Actually, I've found that dispositors for the inner planets can massively change how the planet expresses itself. As if having it conjunct another planet or in its duad. Maybe another idea for a thread here? I have a lot of stuff in their own sign, so my chart's a bad example, but I feel it strongly in other people (especially Mercury, Venus and Mars, who have 2 rulers).

But to get back to the rest of your post, mm. Sounds good about that Libra Mars. A friend I definitely have a mutual friendship with coming from both sides actually has his Mars on my Ascendant. Then the ex who had it on my Descendant... interesting.
Both have Sag planets squaring my Venus, so I checked their Jupiters. The Mars in Libra has Jupiter at 0 Virgo and the Aries one in Pisces. So, maybe that has to do with it, too?

Oh, so it's mostly a first impression? Fair enough. I can see it, being the first thing you notice about someone.
The funniest thing was that the Mars in Libra friend indeed didn't really leave the best impression on me, I had just met him and he seemed very nice and relaxed... only to suddenly see him get an anger outburst. I was stunned, honestly, but later found out he was going through a very rough time with a ton of problems taking its toll on him. I'd figured it probably wasn't his normal way of behaving, but you know...
Lol he was really pleased about having changed my opinion on him.

posted October 07, 2014 08:27 AM            

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Actually, I've found that dispositors for the inner planets can massively change how the planet expresses itself. As if having it conjunct another planet or in its duad. Maybe another idea for a thread here?

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I agree with that very much.

It is almost funny, Mr Sag`s Moon conjuncts my Sun, yet our dispositors of Moon and Sun (Jupiter) are exactly opposite. His in Virgo, mine in Pisces.

Where it gets even more hilarious is how that reflects the fact that his Mercury (subtle mirroring of his Virgoanness) conjuncts my Neptune (ruler of Pisces).

Now since this is also in Sagittarius, again, the same thing happens.
His Mercury-dispositor in VIRGO, my Neptune-dispositor in PISCES, exactly opposite each other.

It is a perfect symmetry, an interrelation between Virgo and Pisces and meeting in SAgittarius. lol

posted October 07, 2014 08:30 AM            

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Originally posted by meissieri:

Actually, I've found that dispositors for the inner planets can massively change how the planet expresses itself. As if having it conjunct another planet or in its duad. Maybe another idea for a thread here? I have a lot of stuff in their own sign, so my chart's a bad example, but I feel it strongly in other people (especially Mercury, Venus and Mars, who have 2 rulers).

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Great idea of a thread I'd love to see you post it