posted September 13, 2014 11:46 AM            

THE connection...
Well, basically (CERTAIN) progressions point to 'special attention' for each other, during a specific moment in time, wich often leads to a relationship (in whatever form).

It's usually enough to look at Venus, Mars and the Sun in the form of conjunctions, trines, squares and oppositions, of which we only consider the square as having a separative effect, on whatever level.

Conjunctions/trines/oppositions between Venus-Venus, Mars-Venus, Sun-Venus appear *time-after-time* when a relationship gets off the ground. It really might be called *AMAZING* ...

With the guy you're talking about here, I see some heavy squares coming up like Venus/Mars and Sun/Venus, and this MIGHT be the reason of resistance on a romantic/sexual level. Well, that Venus/Mars square is a long one of yearssss as it's your slow retro pMars to his natal Venus. Until now, I've never seen such an enduring progressed square between 2 lovers.
Even though the squares will be accompanied by a pVenus/nVenus opposition, I def. see/feel NO balance here. Too much tension and too less to expect on a more harmonic level for both to be lovers. Ofcourse, on a more appropriate distance (sporadic) it can work well I guess.

As for the other 3-may guy, it's interesting as here we find his current progressed Sun/Mars GEM conjunction, trine her natal Venus.
I can definitely see the strong attraction on all levels with this aspect. BUT.. both (Sun/Mars) are separating here with a 1-degree orb, so according to the progressions this strong feeling would slowly fade now... you probably know each other for some years now Sabina?

posted September 13, 2014 02:41 PM            

Before I get to some of the questions, I want to post the synastric charts for comparison (Man1 [Jef] to whom I am not attracted, and Man2 [to whom I am extremely attracted]). Of note, I have known Jef for YEARS. There has never been any sexual interest in that time. I first saw Man2 about four years ago, and the attraction has not faded in that time (if anyone is considering progressions/transits).

Thank you, LeeLoo2014, for your instructions on posting charts. Fingers crossed.

Synastry1

Synastry2 (NOTE: He was born the 5th, not the 3rd (as previously written). My error.)

posted September 13, 2014 03:24 PM            

In the meantime:

Lotis White: Thank you for the links. I will check those out shortly. While I understand the role of houses, as previously mentioned, I do not necessarily agree that those particular houses are equally significant to all. The 11th house or 9th house might, for some, be more attraction-oriented simply because there is more going on in those houses for specific people. In my own experience, the men I attract (and who attract me) almost never have planets in my 5th house (Aries/Taurus) though Man#2 is an exception to that rule. My 11th house (house of my Venus) on the other hand, always has at least one planet in it. Over the years I have created a Word document filled with the synastries of long-term "celebrity" couples (i.e. Lea Thompson and Howard Deutch). This would require its own thread, however. Very enlightening stuff. Ryan Reynolds and Tom Cruise would serve us well in that thread. I'll start one soon if no one else does. Thank you!

LeeLoo2014: Thank you, again, for your instructions. Regarding the "difficult to stimulate" comment, I should have rephrased that. I was referring to the nature of a Grand Cross in terms of being "closed off." I have a Grand Cross involving my Moon in my Moon Persona Chart which is no surprise, as I am quite emotionally unavailable. This doesn't mean others' planets won't touch mine, it simply means that a person cannot simply tap at my door to come in. He or she needs to hurl themselves at it bodily while screaming at the top of their lungs. LOL

Mir: Gotcha. As above, I just wanted to mention again that I have known Man#1 for many, many years, and in all that time there has been no physical attraction [on my end, at least]. Progressions and transits, whatever they may have been, had no effect [on me]. Also, as I stated earlier, I made an error on Man#2's birthday- he was born the 5th, not the 3rd. My apologies! I first saw him about four years ago, if that helps. No waning of the attraction in that time.

posted September 13, 2014 05:03 PM            

I'm also very interested in your work on long-term couples, being my main field of interest and research. I can't wait for your threads.
You second synastry seems very Uranian and perhaps the strongest feature is your Venus right on his ASC which makes you find him very attractive, good-looking. Of course, this is not enough to ensure mutual sexual attraction and compatibility.

Yes, the secondary houses of Venus and Mars feature strongly in attraction, but usually both aspects and house overlays are important in a synastry, but usually houses are personalized: each has their own attraction houses. Perhaps you would like to check the thread "What is your ideal partner?" for a possible explanation as to why you favor your 11th house, it's probably related to the geometry of your chart.

Personally I don't look at charts with "aspect lines to all", they are too difficult for my eyes and there's no need to check that feature.
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posted September 13, 2014 05:16 PM            

I see some remarkable things in the progressions when I go back in time, 4 years, from this day on. Although not a thoroughly researched area yet, the Moon might also play a big role here.

So, back in 2010;

Sab’s progressed Sun; (+ natal Venus: 10'42 Aqua!)
- 10’24 Aqua (+ 4 deg for the current pSun degree)

Applying to his natal ASC;
- 10’38 Aqua
Applying to his natal Moon;
- 13’08 Aqua.

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HIS (still 2010) progressed Sun/Mars conjunction;
- 10’22 Gem (Sun), 10’54 Gem (Mars)

Applying to her natal Venus; (mars exception)
- 10’42 Aqua!!

(how niceee ^ THE fall-in-love aspectS!)

But ofcourse, this one ^ is clearly separating now.

But the most interesting here is that his pSun is at that time ALSO applying to HER natal Moon, at;
- 15’36 Gem.

.. which.. it ^ still *IS*! (his pSun currently at 14’12 Gem)

posted September 14, 2014 07:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Sabina79:
Lotis White: Thank you for the links. I will check those out shortly. While I understand the role of houses, as previously mentioned, I do not necessarily agree that those particular houses are equally significant to all. The 11th house or 9th house might, for some, be more attraction-oriented simply because there is more going on in those houses for specific people. In my own experience, the men I attract (and who attract me) almost never have planets in my 5th house (Aries/Taurus) though Man#2 is an exception to that rule. My 11th house (house of my Venus) on the other hand, always has at least one planet in it. Over the years I have created a Word document filled with the synastries of long-term "celebrity" couples (i.e. Lea Thompson and Howard Deutch). This would require its own thread, however. Very enlightening stuff. Ryan Reynolds and Tom Cruise would serve us well in that thread. I'll start one soon if no one else does. Thank you!

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About your synastry with Jef, you mentioned you had Venus conjunct Mar with him but when I look at the synastry wheel they are actually quite far apart. Yes, they are both in Aquarius but the conjunction is so wide it’s hardly worth counting. Personally I’m really stringy with orbs and I like to see mostly aspects under 3 degrees in synastry. These are always the most potent. There is a massive difference between a conjuntion 5 degrees apart (very mild in effect), and a conjunction 1 degree apart (very strong). Orbs is synastry matter a lot

In response to what you wrote I think you are right that some of the non-romantic houses can turn out to be more 'romantic' then expected in synastry due to the unique set-up of someone's chart. I've noticed this especially with the secondary 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, as well as the houses ruled by the signs of Venus and Mars. I've also noticed this with symbolism/theme/affinity matches to the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses.

For example, I have Jupiter in the 7th house and like Sagittarius energy in others. However the sign Sagittarius itself is not in my 7th house, but rather it covers my 1st house and my 12th house (I have a Sagittarius rising). So I could be attracted by someone with Sagittarius planets in, say, my 12th house even though there is no overlay or aspect connection to my actual 7th house.

The 11th house is a special case just by itself. The 11th house actually has both a platonic level and a romantic level. The 11th house is opposite to the 5th house. The 5th house rules those which inspire our heartfelt admiration/adoration (love given). The 11th house those that make us feel admired and adored (love received), they have to ability to make us feel appreciated.

I did a whole thread on this a while back.
THE 5TH AND THE 11TH... LOVE GIVEN & RECEIVED http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/208851-3.html

I also wanted to point out that the house attraction thing is only HALF of the story. Interplanetary aspects are the other half. For instance, my chart indicates that I’m attracted to Sagittarius and Aries (as I mentioned in another post) but I’m not attracted to just any person with strong Sagittarius/Aries strong in their chart. They need to aspect my chart in certain ways with TIGHT ORBS in order for me to vibe them. Someone might put their Moon in my 5th house but I won’t really feel it at all unless the aspect my chart with that Moon. 5th, 7th, and 8th house overlays are not much good if the person does not aspect our chart with those planets.

No aspect = No feelings.

When it comes to the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, of course we also have to be flexible with how we interpret things. Not all people who aspect our 5th, 7th, and 8th houses are going to be our romantic partners. Our 5th house can also be just about our kids and who we adore, admire, and find entertaining on a platonic level. The 7th house might just refer to our best friend. And the 8th house could just be our therapist, of the person we confide in about personal issues…

We may not ALWAYS be romantically attracted to people who influence our 5th, 7th, and 8th houses. But when we are attracted the person in question will almost certainly influence our 5th, 7th, and 8th houses. This is because what the 5th, 7th, and 8th house related synastry does, is open up the POSSIBILITY that we’ll see that person in a romantic light. More may be needed in terms of synastry for an attraction to fully develop, like traditional physical attraction synastry such as Venus/Mars, Sun/Moon and what not (with tight orbs)…If we then also have other factors that contribute to physical attraction in synastry, like a steamy Moon/Mars aspect, a full blown ’falling in love’ type situation can arise.

5th, 7th, and 8th house synastry opens up the POSSIBILITY that we’ll be able to see someone in a romantic light. This POSSIBILITY may not eventuate in reality if the interplanetary synastry needed for physical attraction is not present with tight orbs.

In order for a complete attraction to develop we need BOTH physical attraction interplanetary synastry and 5th, 7th, and 8th house synastry to be present. If 5th, 7th, and 8th house connections are missing we likely won’t see the person in a romantic light. If attraction interplanetary synastry with tight orbs is missing, we may like the person but won’t be attracted to them romantically.

My formula is basically this…

Physical attraction synastry + 5th, 7th, and 8th house activation in syanstry/Vertex synastry = strong romantic attractions.

Now when I say the 5th, 7th, and 8th house activation, what I mean is that one person will activate all three of these houses in your chart on multiple different levels… Using house overlays (planets in houses), house ruler synastry, or symbolism matches. The Secondary 7th house could be important here too.

For example, a love interest may match the symbolism of your 7th house… As in you have Uranus in the 7th house and they’re an Aquarius… And they could have their Moon residing in your 5th house… And they could have their Venus conjunct your 8th house ruler… MULTIPLE DIFFERENT LEVELS. Overlays, house ruler aspects, and symbolism matches all work for activating the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses. And I believe all three need to be activated one way or anther in order for a complete attraction to develop.

The strongest attractions we have with others usually involve all three of the relationship houses being activated in some fashion or another. And this seems to flip a switch in our psyches between platonic associate to potential mate. This, plus physical attraction synastry is what it takes for a complete attraction to develop. It’s a balancing act with all of these factors.

For the Vertex Axis, well it’s not essential for an attraction to occur, a relationship can manage fine without Vertex synastry…

posted September 14, 2014 07:38 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

Personally I don't look at charts with "aspect lines to all", they are too difficult for my eyes and there's no need to check that feature.

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You must be really good at visualizing things then, because if I don't do that, except for conjunctions and sometimes oppositions, I can't see the asteroid aspects. And nothing shows up in the pdf chart.

For me, it's easier to reduce the orbs to 30%, 50%, or even 70% so I can at least see the closest aspects to all planets and asteroids first.

posted September 14, 2014 08:34 PM            

With regards to your synastry with Jef, I would say there isn't really a Venus/Mars conjunction in Aquarius because your Venus is at around 10 Aqua, while his Mars is at around 19 Aqua (I looked up the birth dates). That's a full 9 degrees of seperation for a conjunction.

You do have a Venus/Mars square around 4 degrees wide. His Venus is at 9 Gemini and your Mars is at 13 Virgo. It's still a bit wide for my liking but still strong enough to be legitimately felt. The thing about hard aspects is they can go either way when it comes to attraction aspects. In some cases they can indicate intense attraction, and in other cases they can indicate someone really not feeling like our type romantically because they are a mismatch to our taste somehow. It sounds like in this case his Venus is a mismatch to your Martian ideals of what attracts you in a man. Even if you do like him in general because the two of you have a Venus/Venus trine for affection (with tight orb).

Yeah, hard aspects are the X-factor when it comes to yin-yang attraction aspects (Sun/Moon, Venus/Mars, and all that). It's a case by case thing. Peoples reaction to them can range from extreme attraction to extreme repulsion.

With Man2 the situation is quite different. First off, his Sun in Taurus tightly trines your Mars in Virgo by less then a degree. In your case Mars is your 5th house ruler, and being that the aspect is a trine he is able to harmonize with your romantic ideals rather then to conflict with them. So his Sun is not only in your 5th house but it also trines the ruler of your 5th.

Another indication that this guy harmonizes with your Mars is that he has his Mars in your 6th house, and your Mars is in Virgo. So his Mars is in the house ruled by the sign of your Mars, emphasizing that how he behaves as a Man is more to your taste.

Man2's Moon looks to be in Aquarius and this resonates with your secondary 7th house. You have a Gemini Dsc, Gemini rules the 3rd house, and you have Aquarius on the 3rd house cusp ruled by your Uranus in Scorpio. So while you can vibe with Gemini/Sag types from your original 7th house, the secondary 7th house of Aquarius/Scorpio shows another part of your taste in personality. His Moon is a sign match to this.

Man2 has his Mars 2 degrees opposite your Uranus which is your secondary 7th house ruler. While it's true the Jef has his Sun and Mercury opposite your 7th house ruler, the nature of the aspect is more platonic. The 7th house is associated with Venus, so a Mercury or Sun aspect to your 7th house ruler is similar in vibe to Mercury/Venus or Sun/Venus aspect for you (because Mercury is your 7th house ruler). Mars opposite your secondary 7th house ruler is more like a Mars/Venus aspect for you due to Uranus being your secondary 7th house ruler.

The same goes with the Venus/Dsc connection you have with Jef. His Venus on your Dsc is much like a Venus/Venus aspect. It's nice but not necessarily romantic unless other factors support this. However, your Venus conjunct Man2's Asc is actually a stronger indication of romantic attraction. The Asc is associated with Aries and Mars. So a Venus/Asc aspect is similar to a Venus/Mars aspect witch has more of a yin/yang type feeling to it.

You also seem to be responding well to Man2's Uranus/Jupiter conjunction in Sagittarius sextile your Aquarius Venus by 2 degrees. Venus/Uranus is a yin yang pair and so it more readily creates attraction between the sexes, then say Venus/Venus sextiles and trines (unless Venus rules one of the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses). Jef has his Uranus trine your Venus from the sign of Libra, but perhaps because Man2's Jupiter/Uranus is conjunct your Sagittarius Asc it stands out more dramatically for you. You have the sign Aries on the 5th house cusp, and so your 1st house (the Aries house) is also your secondary 5th house. The conjunction falling on your Asc increases it's attraction for you.

With both men there are 5th, 7th, or 8th house overlays. So in my analysis I was aiming to show how the aspects in synastry might be what's making the difference between romantic attraction being there or not.

I also think that Man2's Sun tightly trine your 5th house ruler, as well as being in the 5th house itself, is a large part of what attacts you to him. Man2 also has planets in both your 5th, and 7th houses (his Venus is in your 7th). Whereas Jef only has planets in your 7th house, your synastry with him is mainly 7th house ruler oriented. The 7th house is about affection and partnership, but it's not quite as passionate as the 5th and the 8th houses. Your strong 5th house connection with Man2 has more passion to it then your mainly 7th house connection to Jef.

posted September 14, 2014 08:44 PM            

I'm inside hes outside.
So lame!

posted September 14, 2014 11:45 PM            

Hi Lotis White. When I see two planets in the same sign and find that they parallel in declination, I call it a conjunction. Ordinarily I, too, am picky when it comes to orbs, so I understand, and I realize many may disagree. It's not important though in the long run. I'm not trying to become attracted to him, so it's a moot point in this case. LOL I'm glad you like Sag energy! It can be abrasive to some, and I have more than enough. LOL I like what you said about the 11th house, too. I had never thought of it that way before. Thank you. I do concur about the aspects/houses half-and-half theory as well. I know Jeff Jawer puts a tremendous emphasis on 7th/8th house synastry in particular, and he makes a good argument. I also feel that the Vertex, with asteroids, nodes and the like, take a back seat in terms of long-term relationships. It will be really interesting to start that long-term relationship thread (celebrities or not). The more information we can gather, the better. It should prove very interesting! Regarding Man#2 (and I realize this is off topic), I know why I'm attracted to him, but I wondered why he is attracted to me (for astrological purposes). It's life, so it doesn't matter in the end. I will say, too, that while I am American, I have never found American men attractive. I strongly suspect this is because of 9th house themes in my own chart. Jupiter rising, Mars-Jupiter conj in the 9th, etc. Jef is American. Man2 is a Brit. It might be fun to start a new thread entitled Foreign or Domestic: Do You Have a Preference? LOL I am currently gathering more Intel for our long-term relationships thread. I'm looking at Elizabeth Banks (actress) and her hubby (a couple for over 20 years). Will keep you posted.

posted September 15, 2014 06:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Sabina79:
KarkaQueen, hello! I'm not sure what you wanted us to do with the synastry you posted. Is this another example of supposed "attraction" aspects without any feeling of attraction in life (which is the main purpose of this thread).

Hi Lotis White. When I see two planets in the same sign and find that they parallel in declination, I call it a conjunction. Ordinarily I, too, am picky when it comes to orbs, so I understand, and I realize many may disagree. It's not important though in the long run. I'm not trying to become attracted to him, so it's a moot point in this case. LOL I'm glad you like Sag energy! It can be abrasive to some, and I have more than enough. LOL I like what you said about the 11th house, too. I had never thought of it that way before. Thank you. I do concur about the aspects/houses half-and-half theory as well. I know Jeff Jawer puts a tremendous emphasis on 7th/8th house synastry in particular, and he makes a good argument. I also feel that the Vertex, with asteroids, nodes and the like, take a back seat in terms of long-term relationships. It will be really interesting to start that long-term relationship thread (celebrities or not). The more information we can gather, the better. It should prove very interesting! Regarding Man#2 (and I realize this is off topic), I know why I'm attracted to him, but I wondered why he is attracted to me (for astrological purposes). It's life, so it doesn't matter in the end. I will say, too, that while I am American, I have never found American men attractive. I strongly suspect this is because of 9th house themes in my own chart. Jupiter rising, Mars-Jupiter conj in the 9th, etc. Jef is American. Man2 is a Brit. It might be fun to start a new thread entitled Foreign or Domestic: Do You Have a Preference? LOL I am currently gathering more Intel for our long-term relationships thread. I'm looking at Elizabeth Banks (actress) and her hubby (a couple for over 20 years). Will keep you posted.

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posted September 15, 2014 12:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Sabina79:
Hi starmoon! I realize it seems like we are trying to complicate that which is simple. However, I think part of what we are attempting to decipher is why our heads are turned initially. For example, I could flip through a magazine and see 10 different male models but only find one attractive. Why? Can a reason be found astrologically that deals with what we find physically appealing? If so, what? It could very well be a matter of Persona Charts, or some technique yet to be discovered. Or there may be no answer. Most of us find it interesting to test different theories. I understand where you are coming from though.

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Physically appealing, as in seeing someone in a magazine or even meeting them and finding them physically attractive (beautiful) is not the same with sexual chemistry, and different from sexual compatibility. It happens many times and with most people to find someone attractive, but once you kiss them for instance, you discover there is no chemistry at all.

posted September 15, 2014 12:33 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Physically appealing, as in seeing someone in a magazine or even meeting them and finding them physically attractive (beautiful) is not the same with sexual chemistry, and different from sexual compatibility. It happens many times and with most people to find someone attractive, but once you kiss them for instance, you discover there is no chemistry at all.

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posted September 15, 2014 12:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Hi Sabrina79,

I did a massive thread all about how the physical attraction aspects all need to be 'activated' in synastry in order for them to function on a romantic level.

All of the so-called physical attraction aspects can function to two different levels. The platonic level, and the romantic level. Venus/Mars for instance is can be just about balancing assertiveness with diplomacy (think of what happens if we have an aspect like this with one of our grandparents!). Attraction would not come into it unless the aspect is activated to function on a romantic level... The houses, and sometimes the Vertex Axis come into play here.

The houses in our natal chart show the CONTEXT that someone will have in our life. If we are not able view someone in a romantic context is doesn't matter what synastry we have with them, the aspects are all likely to manifest on the platonic level. A person is able to take on a romantic context for us if they put planets in our 5th, 7th, or 8th houses, or strongly aspect the rulers of these houses. In some cases people with planets conjunct either end of the Vertex Axis also have this effect on us.

This is actually a huge topic. Here's some links to the threads that go into this topic in detail.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PLANTONIC AND ROMANTIC SYNASTRY http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/221321.html

SYNASTRY OF ATTRACTION: WHY IT DOES OR DOESN’T WORK http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/216505.html

Quick reminder of Attraction Factors [apart from synastry] http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/217355.html

Unrequited Love http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/206782.html

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posted September 15, 2014 01:14 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Yeah I wanted people to find out why we weren't attracted to each other even tho there are some potent aspects.

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except that there aren't potent attraction aspects in your synastry Where are the aspects to your Mercury, without which you're not attracted?? And his Mars is unaspected? Why would he be attracted? His Mercury would love a Gem Venus or Mars, but much earlier in the sign.

posted September 15, 2014 01:54 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
except that there aren't potent attraction aspects in your synastry Where are the aspects to your Mercury, without which you're not attracted?? And his Mars is unaspected? Why would he be attracted? His Mercury would love a Gem Venus or Mars, but much earlier in the sign.

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Unaspected Mars doesn't lead to no attraction. I have one guy whose Mars in our synastry is completely unaspected except for minor aspects and he just won't leave me alone, i think he's obsessed with me dating him and sleeping with him, but he won't get me, hehe.

posted September 15, 2014 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
Unaspected Mars doesn't lead to no attraction. I have one guy whose Mars in our synastry is completely unaspected except for minor aspects and he just won't leave me alone, i think he's obsessed with me dating him and sleeping with him, but he won't get me, hehe.

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posted September 15, 2014 02:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I don`t think this obsession can be explained by an unaspected Mars in synastry, but rather by other aspects making up for it. Maybe your personal planets or points activate his 5th houseruler or even 8th house ruler strongly. Or you tap into some Pluto minefield in his natal chart.
Also Lilith can make for considerable strong obsessive features. (I mean the Black Moon, not the asteroid)

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posted September 15, 2014 02:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I don`t think this obsession can be explained by an unaspected Mars in synastry, but rather by other aspects making up for it. Maybe your personal planets or points activate his 5th houseruler or even 8th house ruler strongly. Or you tap into some Pluto minefield in his natal chart.
Also Lilith can make for considerable strong obsessive features. (I mean the Black Moon, not the asteroid)

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