posted October 03, 2014 02:49 PM            

Comp and Davison have many similar aspects, sometimes they only differ in orbs. When translated into Draco, being just an alignment to 0 Aries, these are kept.
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posted October 03, 2014 03:15 PM            

Sun/Moon (6) - their Suns and Moons in two signs, opp phase

Venus/Eros (3) - Hug - their Eros roughly 5 drg apart in aqua, their Venus hugging the Eroses lol, Venus/Eros angle similar and opposite in both charts.

Mars/Jupiter (3) - Hug - her Mars in Aqua, his Mars in Aries, hugged by their Jupiter; but the hugging is in reverse: the distance between her Mars/his Jupiter equals the distance between his Mars/her Jupiter and they are, of course, in opp phase.

Chiron/IC (4) - they both have Chiron near IC in their natals, again, opposite phase

Moon/Amor (2) - they both have Moon/Amor conj, same phase

Karma/NN (1) - Reversed Hug - their NNs on the inside, the distances between one's Karma the other's NN and the distances between their own Karma/NN are roughly the same, opposite phase

Pluto/DSC (2) - Pluto/DSC conj in both natals and between each other

Priapus/MC (0) - Hug - MC inside, Priapus hugging - same distance between those in the natal and opposite phase

Saturn/Lust (1) - Reversed Hug - the distance bwteen her Saturn /his Lust equals the distance between his Saturn/her Lust and in opp phase.

Saturn/Cupido (2) - Hug - same natal angle, opp phase

Alma/Juno (2) - they both have Alma/Juno conj in their natals

Alma/Pholus (1) - Hug

posted October 03, 2014 03:38 PM            

Of course, since the Davison Sun will always be close to the composite Sun or opposite it, the Mercury and Venus are more likely to be found near their composite position (but of course that can vary, depdending on how much the planet can be away from Sun).
The outers (starting with Jupiter) will be found close as well.

However, Moon and Mars in particular can simply be ANYWHERE. That is why i found it rather interesting that despite that the Davison Moon was found opposing our composite Moon. And I suppose this might happen with others, too.

Another thing I have found and can`t quite understand is why is the Venus-position in helio Davison and composite so close? (or opposite)

For us helio composite Venus is 13°27 Aquarius
and helio DavisonVenus is 13°26 Aquarius

First I thought we were just a special case, but not so.

for my parents it is 4°24 Cancer vs 5°14 Capricorn

for my friends 23°24 Libra vs. 21°59 Aries

for my brother and his gf 27°58 Pisces vsw. 27°43 Pisces.

posted October 03, 2014 03:42 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
"- Reversed Hug - their NNs on the inside, the distances between one's Karma the other's NN and

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It can`t be a hug per Cochrane`s definition then, if BOTH their NN`s are inside. In his definition one person`s planets are inside, and the other person planet`s are making a bracket around them.

posted October 03, 2014 03:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It can`t be a hug per Cochrane`s definition then, if BOTH their NN`s are inside. In his definition one person`s planets are inside, and the other person planet`s are making a bracket around them.

Or are you using your own definition of hug?

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posted October 03, 2014 03:57 PM            

Ceri, I think that helio Venus must be something astronomical...of astronomic proportions lol

posted October 03, 2014 04:05 PM            

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For us helio composite Venus is 13°27 Aquarius
and helio DavisonVenus is 13°26 Aquarius

First I thought we were just a special case, but not so.

for my parents it is 4°24 Cancer vs 5°14 Capricorn

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Ruthless competition here on board

But.. it's interesting!

My theory until now;

The more equal the Sun/Moon angle between the Davison and Composite, the more Looooooooove!

posted October 03, 2014 04:11 PM            

Helio comp Venus/Union 18 Virgo
helio Davison Venus 18 Pisces/Union 19 Virgo - how interesting!

For parents:

HC 14 Libra
HD 14 Libra
exact 14.34

Why?

posted October 03, 2014 04:27 PM            

You know when I first read it, your post, I thought it was:

Lee finally goes into Hell

posted October 06, 2014 05:06 AM            

Mars/JunoCeres = our Moons, my IC

Sun/Vertex = my SN
Saturn/Vertex = his SN (0)

Sun/Saturn and MC/Chiron = his MC/Saturn

his natal NN 24 Sag IC 28 Sag is on the following composite mdps

23Sag26 Venus/Pallas
23Sag37 Neptune/POF
24Sag29 Pallas/ASC
26Sag19 Uranus/JunoCeres
27Sag11 Ceres/Vesta
27Sag31 Juno/Vesta
27Sag45 Venus/Lilith
28Sag48 Lilith/ASC
29Sag06 NN/POF
29Sag08 Mercury/POF

is this common? I'm impressed.

Mars/Saturn - my DSC, quite impressive this one: so the Mars/Saturn in this comp is actually my partner

his ASC 28 Virgo is on the following composites mdps

28Vir00 Venus/Mars
28Vir20 Saturn/NN
28Vir23 Mercury/Saturn
29Vir03 Mars/ASC

and his DSC

on Jupiter/Chiron and Sun/POF

Sun/Pluto = my Moon

Sun/Venus 6.32 Virgo, my Venus 6.20 Virgo

my Sun, 20 Virgo - Moon/MC 19 Virgo, Sun/NNMercury 20 Virgo

our Pluto 6 Libra, Mars/Neptune 6 Libra

my Mercury 11 Libra, NNMecury/Mars 11 Libra

his Vesta 15 Libra, VenusASC/MC 15 Libra

my Vesta 11 Scorpio, Vesta/ASC 11 Scorpio

his Moon/my MC Vesta/Neptune mdp

my NN 14 Sag, Moon/JunoCeres 14 Sag

his Venus 7 Aqua VenusASC/Chiron 7 Aqua, Jupiter/POF 7 Aqua

his Juno 14 Aqua JunoCeres/Lilith 14 Aqua, Neptune/Chiron 14 Aqua

his Eros 20 Aqua

19Aqu57 Jupiter/Lilith
20Aqu12 Chiron/NNMercury

his Vertex/Karma 24 Pisces, Vertex/POF 24 Pisces

Interesting Chiron:

Juno/Vertex = his Chiron (0)
Jupiter/Vertex = my Chiron (0)
Sun/CeresJuno = my Chiron (0)

posted October 06, 2014 05:16 AM            

my Sun, 20 Virgo - Moon/MC 19 Virgo
my NN 14 Sag, Moon/JunoCeres 14 Sag

whilst his natal planets are on these mdps:

Saturn/Vertex = his SN (0)
Sun/Saturn his MC/Saturn
his ASC 28Vir20 Saturn/NN
his ASC 28Vir23 Mercury/Saturn

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posted October 06, 2014 05:46 AM            

It's interesting that it's like a role play (the Moon Saturn example I gave)

Mars/JunoCeres = our Moons, my IC
a partnership marker
also, it seems to be a common balanced emotional glue in creating this partnership with this beautiful mdp activation - Mars is the comp 5th ruler and Juno/Ceres, a nurturing pair. it seems to go well with the comp Libra Moon symbolism.

Sun/Vertex = my SN
Saturn/Vertex = his SN (0)
Sun/Saturn and MC/Chiron = his MC/Saturn
fate markers
also, he seems to be the Saturn glue; in turns, the more Saturnian/Chirotic the relationship gets, the more his MC/Saturn is activated in his natal.

his natal NN 24 Sag IC 28 Sag is on the following composite mdps

23Sag26 Venus/Pallas
23Sag37 Neptune/POF
24Sag29 Pallas/ASC
still unclear about Pallas symbolism in relationship, but it's a Pallas love for him and his NN is connected to whatever Neptune means in this chart (IC ruler)

26Sag19 Uranus/JunoCeres
27Sag11 Ceres/Vesta
27Sag31 Juno/Vesta
27Sag45 Venus/Lilith
28Sag48 Lilith/ASC
29Sag06 NN/POF
29Sag08 Mercury/POF
his IC opp Saturn is on all that. All these pairs affect him deeply: Uranus NN POF are turning point markers, and he has an intimistic input on Juno/Vesta Ceres/Vesta Venus/Lilith

Mars/Saturn - my DSC, quite impressive this one: so the Mars/Saturn in this comp is actually my partner
that's a marker for the "partner" if a woman's DSC is on the Mars/Saturn of the comp: a stable, Saturnian, later in life etc partner

his ASC 28 Virgo is on the following composites mdps

28Vir00 Venus/Mars
28Vir20 Saturn/NN
28Vir23 Mercury/Saturn
29Vir03 Mars/ASC
he is passion, Saturn, and the Mars. He is Venus DSC ruler conj Mars 5th ruler. A strong impact of the evolution of the comp on his ASC (self-image, affirmation, general advancement) is suggested.

and his DSC
on Jupiter/Chiron and Sun/POF
I like these two lucky aspects for him, even Jupiter/Chiron, it could bring a lot of healing

Sun/Pluto = my Moon
it's suggested that my emotional nature is the Plutonian side of the relationship, fueling it. In turns, my own Moon receives a Pluto vibe - it's expected for my Moon to evolve as more Plutonian as time goes by. On the other hand, Pluto is the chart ruler, so maybe it means I'm the boss hahahaha

Sun/Venus 6.32 Virgo, my Venus 6.20 Virgo
another feminine comp planet connected to me

my Sun, 20 Virgo - Moon/MC 19 Virgo,
and here, I love this double feminine symbolism being me

Sun/NNMercury 20 Virgo
another marker that I may be the rudder. I'd better be a good one then

our Pluto 6 Libra, Mars/Neptune 6 Libra
this is lovely: 5th ruler/IC ruler and our Pluto their glue

my Mercury 11 Libra, NNMecury/Mars 11 Libra
again, me the driving force

his Vesta 15 Libra, VenusASC/MC 15 Libra
again, he is connected to Saturn/Vesta symbolism

my Vesta 11 Scorpio, Vesta/ASC 11 Scorpio
but I am bringing my Vesta too, I won't let him be the only one with this fire lol

his Moon/my MC Vesta/Neptune mdp
so our Moon/MC conjunction on IC ruler/Vesta mdp - devotion to home and family

my NN 14 Sag, Moon/JunoCeres 14 Sag
me, all the "girls" in the comp lol

his Venus 7 Aqua VenusASC/Chiron 7 Aqua, Jupiter/POF 7 Aqua
Jupiter and Venus and Chiron - I think healing

his Juno 14 Aqua JunoCeres/Lilith 14 Aqua, Neptune/Chiron 14 Aqua

his Eros 20 Aqua
19Aqu57 Jupiter/Lilith
20Aqu12 Chiron/NNMercury
fascinated about the Chirotic input here. Jupiter/Lilith and Eros seem very nice. There is a dark side, and a light side.

his Vertex/Karma 24 Pisces, Vertex/POF 24 Pisces
very strong fate marker

What about your natals on your composite midpoints?
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posted October 06, 2014 11:36 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
My theory until now;

The more equal the Sun/Moon angle between the Davison and Composite, the more Looooooooove!

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the angle or the midpoint being equal between the Sun-Moon in Composite and Davison is more important?
I just checked a couple of charts between partners and the angle between Sun-Moon in their Davison and Composite is quite different.

It seems important, however, that the Sun-Moon midpoint in Composite and/or Davison conjuncts or opposes an important planet or point in each natal charts.

So, I just checked my stuff..

Composite Sun-Moon midpoint is at 16' Cancer
Davison Sun-Moon midpoint is at 16' Aries

we have a very prominent configuration in our synastry that involves this degree in cardinal signs.
We have an exact 0 degree Sun-Venus opposition at 16'-17' Aries-Libra
We have a synastrical Venus-Saturn conjunction at 17' Libra
His natal Nodes are at 18' Cancer-Capricorn ( squared by our synastrycal opposition).

The current Nodes at 19' Aries-Libra are transiting all that sensitive degree right now

posted October 06, 2014 12:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
the angle or the midpoint being equal between the Sun-Moon in Composite and Davison is more important?
I just checked a couple of charts between partners and the angle between Sun-Moon in their Davison and Composite is quite different.

It seems important, however, that the Sun-Moon midpoint in Composite and/or Davison conjuncts or opposes an important planet or point in each natal charts.

So, I just checked my stuff..

Composite Sun-Moon midpoint is at 16' Cancer
Davison Sun-Moon midpoint is at 16' Aries

we have a very prominent configuration in our synastry that involves this degree in cardinal signs.
We have an exact 0 degree Sun-Venus opposition at 16'-17' Aries-Libra
We have a synastrical Venus-Saturn conjunction at 17' Libra
His natal Nodes are at 18' Cancer-Capricorn ( squared by our synastrycal opposition).

The current Nodes at 19' Aries-Libra are transiting all that sensitive degree right now

The October Eclipse at 15' Aries-Libra is falling on all that group, as well...uugh!

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It sounds good to me.

Your permanent cardinal activation is WOW
and the transitory shows there must be some important thing happening with you two now... keep us updated!

Looking at my parents I see:

Composite Sun/Moon mdp 25 Scorpio
Davison Sun/Moon mdp 22 Scorpio

her natal Moon 20 Leo
her natal MC 20 Scorpio
her natal Eros 25 Scorpio
his Natal Sun/Eros 20 Aqua

Joanne/Paul Newman

Composite Sun/Moon mdp 25 Aqua fixed too lol
Davison Sun/Moon mdp 20.30 Taurus

Her Moon 25 Aqua
Her Vertex/Karma 21 Leo
his Eros 19 Aqua
his Vertex/Neptune (intercepted ruler) 21 Leo

posted October 06, 2014 12:45 PM            

Composite Sun/Moon mdp 10.30 Leo
nothing exact, as planets
my Moon 14 Leo
my Lilith 14 Aqua
his Juno 14 Aqua
my Vesta 11 Scorpio

other 9-11
my Juno/Jupiter 10 Pisces
my Mercury 11 Libra
his Amor 10 Taurus
his Neptune 9.37 Sag

Davison Sun/Moon mdp 7.30 Taurus
his Venus 7.40 Aqua

Mars 7.30 Gem
Alma/Pholus 7 Pisces
my Neptune 7.01 Sag

Interestingly though, my Draco Uranus 11 Aqua and other asteroids on these mdps (Valentine, Pallas, Cupido)

and my duad Uranus 10 Leo, his duad ASC 10 Leo

it looks like my duad Uranus opp my Draco Uranus very close lol

posted October 06, 2014 01:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
wow LeeLoo,

the examples you gave are astonishing. It only comes to say that Composite-Davison Sun-Moon midpoint is really activated by partner's planets in serious relationships.

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Yes, I think it's also interesting to check Draco Composite and Davison and compare them to the natals and the tropical comp for superpositions.

As far as midopints go, our Draco Comp Sun/Moon mdp is 7 Aqua, his natal Venus EXACT.

Draco Davison Sun/Moon mdp is 17 Leo, his Moon/my MC 17 Scorpio and our Moon cross on my angles.

It is interesting that our mdps remain fixed in Draco as well.

...and Draco comp Sun/Midpoint 7 Aqua is the same (cross) with Davison Sun/Moon mdp 7 Taurus.

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posted October 11, 2014 10:42 AM            

Pallas square Eros 2°05
Pallas square Priapus 1°18
Pallas square IC 0°00

Pholus square Neptune 0°17
Pholus square Mercury 2°18

Ceres square Sun 3°07

Chiron square ASC 1°48
Atropos square ASC 1°27
Union square ASC 1°58

Alma square Saturn 1°50
Juno square Saturn 0°29
Lust square Saturn 0°13
Valentine square Saturn 1°44

Juno square Vertex 2°47
Lust square Vetex 3°03
Valentine square Vertex 1°32

Atlantis square Venus 1°49
Atlantis square Proserpina 0°00
Atlantis square Circe 0°22
Pluto square Venus 0°48
Pluto square Proserpina 1°01
Pluto square Circe 1°23

posted October 11, 2014 11:34 AM            

I have 1 Cross and three T/squares:

1. Saturn/Amor (Cancer 8th) opp POF (Cap 2nd) sq Moon(wide)/Pluto (Libra 10-11th) - Cardinal/Fixed

2. Mars (Leo 8th/9th) opp Lilith (2nd/3rd Aqua) sq Karma (Taurus 6th) - mixed

3. Aphrodite in Leo 9th sq Venus/ASC in Scorpio- mostly fixed

Mutable/Cardinal Cross:

Neptune on Avx (Sag 1st) square MC/ICJupiterPholus (Pisces)

1. Saturn/Pluto comes from a generational aspect, not in orb for neither of us (my Pluto 6 Libra, my Saturn 16 Cancer, his Pluto 6 Libra, his Saturn 28 Gem), but the midpoint creates a 1.30 deg. square in the composite.
What does this mean?

Moon/Saturn wide sq (6-7deg.) comes from a Moon trine Saturn (0) Moon semisquare Saturn (1)

Amor/Saturn conjunction comes from an Embrace (same angle, opp phase in the natals between Amor and Saturn) plus my Amor sextile his Saturn (0), my Amor wide novile to Saturn in the natal (1.30), no aspects for him in the natal.
So Amor lands on Saturn, thus takes part in the square.
POF sq Pluto comes from only one aspect (our Pluto trine his POF (3)) which replicates his natal aspect; no aspect for me.
Actually POF lands opp Saturn/Amor, because of another Embrace between POF/Saturn, hence the square with Pluto.

I think the origin of a T/square/Cross is to be tracked in conjunctions/the opposition of the Tsquare.

I have a feeling symmetrical structures in synastry are at the origin of most 4th harmonics in the composite not coming from a DW which may mean comp 4th harmonic aspects are like the backbone of a comp.

Interestingly, our Sun/Moon DW in synastry: Sun sextile Moon (3), Sun BQ Moon (0) leads to a very wide oOS fake square composite Sun 21 Gem, Composite Moon 0 Libra, but to a 1 deg square in Davison: Davison Sun 21 Gem, Davison Moon 22 Pisces.

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