posted October 01, 2014 04:46 PM            

But geometrically, we can very well get the same composite conjunction out of a synastric/natal geometry - symmetrical, but not in aspect. What do we do with those? Should we consider those conjunctions less significant? That's the interesting fact here, me thinks.

For example, we can obtain the same Sun/Moon composite conjunction from a symmetrical synastric/natal config either with 11 orb or with 60 orb (sextile).
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posted October 01, 2014 05:11 PM            

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like for example Mr Sag and me both have an Angel-Lust-conjunction natally, which naturally is shwoing up in composite as well. In this case however there is a minor synastric aspect at play as well, as our Angel-Lust natal conjunctions are semisextile each other).

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Aahhh yess...

Ofcourse,

Your Angel semi-sextile his Angel.
His Lust semi-sextile your Lust.

And the semi-sextile *IS* an aspect.

Yes, that ^ would be logical as the Bear Hug consists of 2 sets of identical angles;

- DW
- the same 2 planets Always make the same angle.

and at-least one of those ^ has to be a real aspect.

Like our potent Vertex/Merc is not only a DW semi-sextile BUT ALSO both our Merc in Trine AND both our Vertex in Trine.

Which means ^^ that IF we had NO valid DW aspect between Vertex/Merc (so: just a meaningless same-degree DW-angle) BUT we had Merc/Merc and Vertex/Vertex in TRINE.. it would STILL be valid.. or still pretty strong..

posted October 01, 2014 06:55 PM            

For example, we both have

Eros sesquisquare Valentine in our natals (1 and 2)
coupled with my Eros trines his Valentine (2)
his Eros trines my Valentine (2)

which gives an almost exact Eros opp Valentine in the comp

or

we both have Uranus sq Pallas in the natal (same phase) and Uranus conj Uranus coupled with Pallas conj Pallas which gives a comp Uranus sq Pallas (1)

and I haven't checked all of them

For now, I find it much more interesting that we both have the same (almost) Sun Mercury angle

me Sun/Mercury 21
him Sun/Mercury 24

that my Mercury is after my Sun, his before his Sun (so opposite phase)

and that this combo gives a Sun/Merc conj/opp in the composite

the fact that we also have Sun opp Sun (1) and also Mercury sesquis Mercury (1) in synastry is just a bonus

Currently, I am fascinated that two people have to fulfill these 2 conditions in order to get some of their comp conjunctions/oppositions:

to have the same angle between the same two planets
to have those two planets in an opposite phase

meeting someone who has the same angle as yourself between the same two planets is already WOW...meeting someone with whom you share TEN equal/similar angles is WOOOW...meeting someone who has all those TEN similar angles in opposite phase so that they get conjunct in the comp is WOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW hahahahaha

It doesn't look random to me at all, there's a lot of Wheel of Fortune spinning for this to happen.

I checked other comps as well and I'm flabbergasted, I'll come back with more examples.

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posted October 01, 2014 07:45 PM            

BUT out of the list of Hugs

IC/Jupiter (1)
NN/Merc (0)
Venus/ASC (1)
Psyche/Lilith (3)
Moon/Pluto (5)
Neptune/Avx (2)
Sun/Anteros (2)
Saturn/Amor (3)
MC/Union (3)
Uranus/Vesta (2)

I see many involving angles:
IC/Jupiter, Venus/ASC, NN/Mercury, Neptune/Avx, MC/Union

these must be very significant, because it means not only the day and year had to be aligned, but also the TOBs (and the location) for this particular similarity to happen

also, Moon/Pluto has the same(similar) angle/opposite phase in the natals, coupled with a Moon/Pluto DW in synastry, leading to the Moon/Pluto conjunction in comp.

posted October 02, 2014 07:23 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

For example, we can obtain the same Sun/Moon composite conjunction from a symmetrical synastric/natal config either with 11 orb or with 60 orb (sextile).

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yes. I think the conjunction / opposition in composite is always important, and like I am intrigued by the 2 conditions that are underlying this scenario.

But i do also think that a conjunction/opposition as a result of an aspect IS stronger than if made by an 23 or 27 degree angle. Of course that is a debate among astrologers.

Anyway I am focusing on the lower harmonics, Cochrane also mentions that while higher harmonics are significant, the lower ones are "louder", more noteable.

Personally that means for me

harmonics 1 and 2 (conj and opp.)
harmonic 3 and 6 (trine and sextile)
harmonic 4 (square)

harmonic 12 (quinkunx)

and those I am experimenting with but feel they add to the above mentioned:

harmonic 5 (quintile, biquintile) possibly adding to the 1st and 2nd harmonic (even though 5th harmonic is SO unique, it is a harmonic of creation, maybe that is why I was thinking of it adding to the 1st harmonic, not sure, could be wrong)

harmonic 9 (novile, binovile, quadranovile), related to the 3rd harmonic (trine is actually the trinovile)

harmonic 8 (semisquare, sesisquare), related to the 4th harmonic of course.

harmonic 12 of course aligns with the 6th harmonic, but it is possibly more important than the others?

Not sure what to do with the harmonic 7; possibly harmonic 7 and harmonic 5 are their own category, of creation possibly

of course we also have the 11th harmonic or the 24th harmonic (esp. the quindecile), I keep a watch on them, however, they might be more subtle. And personally I wouldn´t quite feel inclined to put much emphasis on the 63th harmonic or similiar number, though we can do that of course, and it might be interesting.

I once found this as a category system, it is at least thoughtworthy:

"There are four levels of aspects, to one or more of which every angular separation belongs:

OVERT or Conscious level of experience 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 8th, 12th Harmonic Aspect series. Commonly called the Major & Minor Aspects, the Overt Aspects in a natal chart are pointers to the obvious tendencies of the individual. Unless they are very weak indeed, it is quite likely that people's thinking and behavior will reflect the characteristic thought and behavior patterns signified by them in ways that are quite noticeable, if not by the individuals themselves then certainly by their acquaintances. It seems appropriate therefore to refer to the Major & Minor Aspects as the Overt Aspects.
POTENTIAL or Pre-conscious level of experience 5th, 7th, 9th, 10th, 11th Harmonic Aspect Series. These are the most accessible of the other aspects. They seem to refer to potentials that are reasonably easy to develop into overt behavior patterns or personality characteristics. The effects of any Potential Aspects in a natal chart are not obvious in the personality traits and behavior patterns of the individual. However, if there are one or more Potential Aspects in a chart that are stronger than any or most of its Overt Aspects, overt effects from them are more likely to take place. They might not be obvious, but they will certainly affect the individual's behavior, even though there might not always be any conscious awareness of their influence.
No matter how strong any Potential Aspect is, its effects are never as obvious as those of any but the weakest Overt Aspects. Even the strongest of Potential Aspects seem to function largely at the pre-conscious level. It was not until the latter half of the 20th century that human personality and behavior patterns were understood deeply enough for us to appreciate the differences between the obvious effects of the Overt Major and Minor Aspects and the covert effects of Potential Aspects. Aspects of the 5th Harmonic are the most overt of the potential aspect series.

posted October 02, 2014 07:33 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Aahhh yess...

Ofcourse,

Your Angel semi-sextile his Angel.
His Lust semi-sextile your Lust.

And the semi-sextile *IS* an aspect.

Yes, that ^ would be logical as the Bear Hug consists of 2 sets of identical angles;

- DW
- the same 2 planets Always make the same angle.

and at-least one of those ^ has to be a real aspect.

Like our potent Vertex/Merc is not only a DW semi-sextile BUT ALSO both our Merc in Trine AND both our Vertex in Trine.

Which means ^^ that IF we had NO valid DW aspect between Vertex/Merc (so: just a meaningless same-degree DW-angle) BUT we had Merc/Merc and Vertex/Vertex in TRINE.. it would STILL be valid.. or still pretty strong..

think I get it!

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Mir, it is not a bear hug in our case though.

his Lust 6°21 Scorpio
his Angel 6°49 Scorpio

my Angel 7°31 Sagittartius
my Lust 7°43° Sagittarius

composite Lust 22°03 Scorpio
composite Angel 22°11 Scorpio

composite valentine 23°34 Scorpio
(but Valentine is not part of the natal conjunctions).

I noticed a fun-Bear Hug though.

my Liebe. 0°18 Sag

his Boda 2°08 Sag
his Liebe 28°57 Sag

my Boda 3°39 Capricorn

posted October 02, 2014 08:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I wonder though, what the difference would be in a composite aspect that is the result of a synastric Double whammy compared to one that is the result of a shared natal aspect (obviously I am talking about aspects here and not just any angular distance).

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I'm thinking maybe one has a siamese vibe, the other has a Yin/Yang vibe. But in the end, putting the pieces of puzzle together in the composite, what you read is the puzzle: the final geometry is telling the story. At least that's what I would do, you know that

An example: we both have the Jupiter/Saturn trine in the natals; in the comp, it becomes a Jupiter/Saturn/Karma Minor Triangle, Karma at apex. It looks like this trine, in our combination, gets a fated meaning. Looking how the trine for me means a connection between my Yod apex/NN ruler and my DSC planet and for him a connection between his MC planet and his NN/IC ruler and given that the trine in comp connects the IC with the 8th house...a little possible interpretation - fate related- stands out. So I guess if I meet someone else with this same trine and we end up with the same trine in the comp, of course, the result would however be netirely different, which is the fascinating part, don't you think? Personally, I just love that....and again, it points to the fact that interpreting comps without the synastry/natals is not seeing the picture.

posted October 02, 2014 10:54 AM            

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Next stop for me will be midpoint town in composite. Thanks for the suggestion, Mir.
I remember there was a member here once, who did analysis of the composite, and also using the midpoints in there, and he seemed to have been extremely spot on, though I never understood why or what the reason for that is. Using midpoints in a composite seemed strange at the time, but now I understand a little more about the geometry, so it starts dawning on me.

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posted October 02, 2014 11:40 AM            

Composite planets on composite mdps

Sun/Lilith = Eros (0) deep eroticism here

Jupiter/Saturn = Karma
the Minor Triangle I was telling you about

Avx = Uranus/Pallas (0)
revolution lol

Sun opp Jupiter/Pluto (0)
very transformative, I think

Saturn = Mars/Vertex (0)
fate, perhaps

Priapus = Sun/Vesta (0)
nice tantra hehe
committed to the Priapus side

MC = Sun/ASC (0) Sun/Venus (.30)
this looks very significant
What do you think it shows, Mir??

IC = Chiron/Pallas (0)
hm the same awakening psychic or tantric stuff?/

Pluto - Mars/Neptune (0)
deep and transformative Mars/Neptune connection

Valentine = Mars/NNMercury, Moon/Uranus
Mars rules the 5th house, Mercury is the NN star, MC and Sun ruler
very beautiful this one

Lust = ASC/MC (0), Uranus/Pluto (0), Pluto/Vesta (1)
strong Lust in this comp lol

Uranus = Moon/Venus (0)
exhilarating, destabilizing, electric, change
I need an insight on this one!

Vesta = NNMercury/MC (0), Venus/Pluto (0), Mars/Pallas (1) opp Sun/Jupiter (0)
very strong Vesta in the chart, very pretty combo

Composite Venus/ASC 22/23 Scorp is on the following composite mdps

22Sco26 Pluto/POF
this love/relationship is fate and transformation and a change in luck
22Sco52 Uranus/NNMercury
this love/relationship will move the players to a different location/make them wander lol
23Sco44 Vesta/NNMercury
this love/relationship is passionate and exciting and has a definite purpose; the players are committed to it

NNMerc = Moon/Jupiter (0)
2nd and 8th ruler - very nice

Pallas = Chiron/Vesta (0)
Psyche = Pallas/Lilith (0)
more psychic tantric spiritual New Age stuff lol

Lilith = Juno/POF (0)
this relationship has a great chance if Lilith remains strong and is being cultivated

Jupiter opp Sun/Venus (0)
Pholus = Jupiter/POF (0)
hopefully these two are a sign of happiness

I need your insight on Uranus on Moon/Venus and MC on Sun/ASC/Venus. What do you guys think?

What about your composite mdps?

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posted October 02, 2014 01:43 PM            

Pluto = Sun/DESC 0.11
Pluto= Lilith / Vesta 0.04

Venus= Sun/ASC 1.58
-too wide I know, but look how beautiful!

Venus= Neptune/Pallas 0.03
Venus=Jupiter/Saturn 0.14
part of our golden Yod
Venus=Mercury/Pallas 0.58

NN = Mars/Pluto 1.35
NN = Mercury/saturn 1.15
NN = IC/Ceres 0.42
- we are family? lol

NN = Vertex Neptune 0.36
NN = Vertex / Mercury 0.24
NN = Sun/Palls 0.50

Moon= Sun/Pallas 1.15
Moon= Pluto/Chiron 0.22
Moon = Neptune/Vesta 0.48
Moon = Venus/ASC 0.57

Chiron = Uranus/Pluto 1.01

ASC = IC/Pluto 0.38
ASC = Venus/Pallas 0.16
ASC = SN/Uranus 0.05

Uranus = Juno / Chiron 1.19
Uranus = ASC / saturn 0.38
Uranus = ASC/Vertex 1.02

Pallas= Mars/Jupiter 0.09
Pallas = ASC / Vesta 0.10

MC = Mercury/Pluto 0.35

Satrn = Neptune/Chiron 0.41
Saturn = Lilith / MC 0.49
Saturn = Moon/Ceres 1.17

Juno = Sun/Pluto 1.28
Juno = Sun/NN 1.18

Vertex= Vesta / Pallas 0.40

Lilith = Vertex/Vesta 0.14
Lilith = Uranus/Neptune 0.22
Lilith = Saturn/Vesta 1.25

Jupiter= ASC/NN 0.22

Neptune = Venus/URanus 1.00
Neptune = Pluto / Pallas 0.47
Neptune = Venus / MC 1.13

Mercury = MC /Venus 0.48
Mercury = Moon/Uranus 0.25

Sun = NN / Vesta 0.02
Sun = Vertex / Chiron 1.02

and then I scanned for some of the more active asteroids

IC= Eros/Alma
IC = Priapus / Alma
IC = Eros/Juno
IC = PRiapus/Juno

Pholus = Venus/Eros

Saturn = Juno/Valentine = Juno/Lust

NN = Amor/cupido
- feels like cheating though the three of them are in exact conjunction. lol-

Juno = Amor/Sun = Cupido/Sun = NN/Sun
Valentine = Amor/Sun = Cupido/Sun = Sun/NN
Lust = Amor/Sun = Cupido/Sun = Sun/NN

Vertex = Valentine/LUst

posted October 02, 2014 01:46 PM            

Uranus on Moon/Venus might make for an electrifying affection. maybe coming as a surprise even.

posted October 02, 2014 03:47 PM            

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MC = Sun/ASC (0) Sun/Venus (.30)
this looks very significant
What do you think it shows, Mir??

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posted October 02, 2014 04:04 PM            

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Mir,

I’m really so glad you posted that! It’s so good to find out this phenomenon has a name, and has already been studied! Before, I always used to call it “Our Weird Luminary Thingy”! "Composite Alignment" sounds so much better

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I totally get that haha.

I was really impressed by your drawings Vajra. Very clear.

And yes, the Moon/Moon becomes a draco conjunction because the angle between your tropical Moon/Moon is the same as the angle between both NN's. And the tropical Sun/Sun angle is the same as the angle between each other's NN and SN, so that becomes a draco opposition (that's always the rule for it to become a draco conj or opp)

posted October 02, 2014 04:53 PM            

Ceri, it's nice to see in your composite mdps the same theme of love/marriage and...Lilith lol

I noticed Moon - Venus/ASC - it seems very close, intimate and loving to me
NN - Vertex/Neptune and other markers for a meeting under the auspice of the arts

some very prominent Pallas?? or is it just me...Vesta as usually lol

Saturn - Moon/Ceres is awwwwwwwwww
and Juno - Sun/NN and Sun - NN/Vesta, not to mention Saturn = Juno/Valentine = Juno/Lust awwww

and a lot of Priapus Eros activity around the IC, where it should be

I won't even get into your NN stellium

but I liked this one very much: Pholus = Venus/Eros

posted October 02, 2014 05:20 PM            

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Yes, very weird coincidence, isn't it? Even more strangely, the Sun-Moon opposition can also be found in the Davison chart (orb 2°37). That "Luminary Thingy" travels through all our charts for some reason!

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Ah yess that reminds of the importance to have our focus on THAT what's traveling through ALL our charts; Davison/Composite + the HELIO versions, instead of focusing on the little, more meaningless objects.
We also have Sun/Venus (conj/opp) traveling through ALL .. + Pluto/Venus (conj/opp) .. + the Sun-Earth/Moon opp/conj the Venus/Mars midpoint through all.

So guys.. what are YOUR themes traveling through all charts? Preferably the bigger objects only

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Have not yet been able to figure out the math behind the transition to the Davison opposition.

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posted October 02, 2014 06:53 PM            

My natal:

SIVA conj. AC (1°10)
PARVATI conj. MAHALINGAM (1°19), both sextile Sun (0°28/1°47)
KAALI tr. Moon (1°08)
TARA conj. MAHAKALA (2°18), both conj. Saturn (1°18/0°36) at the Apex of a T-Square with Jupiter, Mars and Uranus.

His natal:

RUDRA conj. Sun (2°23) and square Moon (2°00), at the Apex of a T-Square with Saturn
SHANKAR quintile Moon (0)
TARA quincunx RUDRA (0°27)
KAALI tr. MAHALINGAM (3°05)
KAALI sext. MAHAKALA (2°48)
PARVATI sext. SIVA (3°19)

Tropical Synastry (me – him):

DW: SIVA - KAALI (tr. 0°35 / sext. 3°36)
DW: SITA – RAMAN (opp. 0°28 / sq. 0°14)
RUDRA opp. KAALI (0°25): this one falls exactly on the axis of our comp. Sun-Moon-opposition
SHANKAR conj. TARA (1°06)
TARA tr. RUDRA (0°39)
PARVATI tr. HARA (0°27)
MAHAKALA tr. KAALI (2°41)
KAALI tr. SHANKAR (2°41)
KAALI sq. HARA (0°28)
PARVATI sq. SHANKAR (2°42)

Trop. Composite:

SHANKAR conj. Sun (1°11) and opp. Moon (1°42)
KAALI quintile Moon (0), conj. Jupiter (0°7) and tr. the AC-Venus conjunction (1°56)
HARA quintile Sun (0)

SIVA quincunx KAALI (2°01)
TARA conj. HARA (2°59)
PARVATI sext. RUDRA (1°10)
PARVATI sext. MAHAKALA (3°50)

Davison chart:

SHANKAR conj. Sun (1°48) and opp. Moon (0°43), forming a T-Square with KAALI conj. SAMADHI at the Apex (KAALi sq. Sun 1°13, KAALI sq. Moon 3°44, Kaali conj. SAMADHI 0°53).

PARVATI opp. Sun (2°51) and sq. KAALI and SAMADHI (1°38)

MAHAKALA is part of a big 7th house stellium, therefore conj. Venus (1°59), Mars (0°36), Pluto (0°0) and Mercury (2°45), and very loosely conj. TARA (4°36)

SIVA conj. MAHALINGAM (0°29)
HARA conj. MC (0°35)
PARVATI quintile HARA (0)

Draco Synastry:

DW: PARVATI - RUDRA (tr. 0°54 / conj. 1°27)
TARA tr. SIVA (0°38)
HARA tr. KAALI (2°23)
KAALI quincunx RUDRA (0°56)
SIVA sext. PARVATI (1°26)
MAHAKALA sext. PARVATI (1°40)
PARVATI quintile SIVA (0)

posted October 03, 2014 06:34 AM            

tropical c-Sun: 26°26 Sagittarius
tropical d-Sun: 27°28 Gemini
--- his Sun/Moon-mp: 27°48 Sagittarius
---- fmc Tr Juno: 26°27 Sagittarius

tropical c-Moon: 22°53 Capricorn
tropical d-Moon: 20°48 Cancer
--- my Sun/Moon-mp: 21°31 Capricorn
--- fmc Tr Jupiter: 22°05 Capricorn

funnily enough I just realized that the

Draconic Davison Moon is on 28°51 Sagittarius
-opposing Davison Sun and as a matter of fact being on HIS tropical Moon-MC exact, and still in orb with his Sun/Moon-mp:
1°03--

Draconic Davison Satrn is on 21°50 Capricorn
- opposing Davison Moon and on my Sun/Moon-mp: 0°19

And Moon and Saturn of course do have a certain relation to each other. And particularly for us maybe as we both have a natal Moon-Saturn- aspect (he has the square, I have the quinkunx).

as for others I haven`t yet checked

posted October 03, 2014 07:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
yes. I think the conjunction / opposition in composite is always important, and like I am intrigued by the 2 conditions that are underlying this scenario.

But i do also think that a conjunction/opposition as a result of an aspect IS stronger than if made by an 23 or 27 degree angle. Of course that is a debate among astrologers.

Anyway I am focusing on the lower harmonics, Cochrane also mentions that while higher harmonics are significant, the lower ones are "louder", more noteable.

Personally that means for me

harmonics 1 and 2 (conj and opp.)
harmonic 3 and 6 (trine and sextile)
harmonic 4 (square)

harmonic 12 (quinkunx)

and those I am experimenting with but feel they add to the above mentioned:

harmonic 5 (quintile, biquintile) possibly adding to the 1st and 2nd harmonic (even though 5th harmonic is SO unique, it is a harmonic of creation, maybe that is why I was thinking of it adding to the 1st harmonic, not sure, could be wrong)

harmonic 9 (novile, binovile, quadranovile), related to the 3rd harmonic (trine is actually the trinovile)

harmonic 8 (semisquare, sesisquare), related to the 4th harmonic of course.

harmonic 12 of course aligns with the 6th harmonic, but it is possibly more important than the others?

Not sure what to do with the harmonic 7; possibly harmonic 7 and harmonic 5 are their own category, of creation possibly

of course we also have the 11th harmonic or the 24th harmonic (esp. the quindecile), I keep a watch on them, however, they might be more subtle. And personally I wouldn´t quite feel inclined to put much emphasis on the 63th harmonic or similiar number, though we can do that of course, and it might be interesting.

I once found this as a category system, it is at least thoughtworthy:

"There are four levels of aspects, to one or more of which every angular separation belongs:

OVERT or Conscious level of experience 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 8th, 12th Harmonic Aspect series. Commonly called the Major & Minor Aspects, the Overt Aspects in a natal chart are pointers to the obvious tendencies of the individual. Unless they are very weak indeed, it is quite likely that people's thinking and behavior will reflect the characteristic thought and behavior patterns signified by them in ways that are quite noticeable, if not by the individuals themselves then certainly by their acquaintances. It seems appropriate therefore to refer to the Major & Minor Aspects as the Overt Aspects.
POTENTIAL or Pre-conscious level of experience 5th, 7th, 9th, 10th, 11th Harmonic Aspect Series. These are the most accessible of the other aspects. They seem to refer to potentials that are reasonably easy to develop into overt behavior patterns or personality characteristics. The effects of any Potential Aspects in a natal chart are not obvious in the personality traits and behavior patterns of the individual. However, if there are one or more Potential Aspects in a chart that are stronger than any or most of its Overt Aspects, overt effects from them are more likely to take place. They might not be obvious, but they will certainly affect the individual's behavior, even though there might not always be any conscious awareness of their influence.
No matter how strong any Potential Aspect is, its effects are never as obvious as those of any but the weakest Overt Aspects. Even the strongest of Potential Aspects seem to function largely at the pre-conscious level. It was not until the latter half of the 20th century that human personality and behavior patterns were understood deeply enough for us to appreciate the differences between the obvious effects of the Overt Major and Minor Aspects and the covert effects of Potential Aspects. Aspects of the 5th Harmonic are the most overt of the potential aspect series.

LATENT or Subconscious level of experience 13th to 36th or 37th Harmonic Aspect Series. The Latent Aspects can have an overt effect on the lives of people in whose horoscope they appear when they are exact or almost exact, and thus extremely strong, but those concerned usually need to undertake depth analysis or use esoteric consciousness expansion techniques to unfold any conscious awareness of them."
http://www.accessnewage.com/articles/astro/ha_intro.htm

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Thank you for the wealth of info, Ceri
The reason I approached astrology: archetypes and sacred geometry.
For someone fascinated with sacred geometry, no geometry is better than other. I have this idea that the esoterics are the next level, belonging to the Aquarian Age, coinciding with mankind's spiritual (cultural, technological, material etc) evolution leading to freedom from materialism/ the development of supersensorial gifts. They are latent and their time has come, it's time to study them lol
The ancients focused on the first level, the most apparent - the first division of the circle 1 to 12 - our very first material existence, the roots, the embodiment.
Now special skills/phenomena brought by the esoteric aspects will probably come into play more and more.
I see them like you, I also see them as magic/esoteric/spiritualist. They all bring the UNUSUAL, the fairy tale - they go very well with contemporary obsession with myths, fairy tales, comics, superheroes etc (see the movies). People are turning into superheroes lol and now these aspects are being activated more and more.

the 5th is definitely magic - the magic act, a magical connection, leading to a creative result. It also has an amazing romantic potential in a love synastry/comp

the 7th is probably spiritualist: psychic, synchronistic, supersensory gifts, a supersensory otherworldly connection, for couples the Perfect Soul made of two people (before their incarnation)

the 8th is probably another level of materialization, for couples, the earthly wedding, the power couple, the King and Queen

the 9th, I'm not sure yet - but due to its connection to the trine, as you pointed out, definitely harmony and cooperation, maybe that's why it could signify the perfect partner, the perfect team mate? (for a perfect couple AFTER the wedding, involved in the world, bringing a message into the world - bringing the ideal into tangible form?? idealistic, but practical like the 9th house? not sure yet)

the 11th - the mystery lol still a mystery, apart from the possible connection with the TF

I think you should definitely open a thread where we can explore the harmonics in synastry/comp, the harmonic profile.

posted October 03, 2014 08:16 AM            

I see the minor aspects exactly like you. Though I think the overt aspects still have to be there for manifestation-potential.

Actually it was the quintile that made me think about a harmonic profile, casue when I was scanning our synastry that symbol "Q" were popping up so frequently. lol

Interestingly even Paul Westran includes this in his progressions reports; though it might not be as statistically relevant as other aspect, it HAS statistic relevance after all.

Here is what he said:

"Actually the quintile does occur at about the same level as the sextile in the reduced 2 degree sample (after we remove 2 degree Sun Venus trines, conj and opp) so it could be a relationship starter.
nsun_nven_quintile=47 nsun_pven_quintile=32 psun_nven_quintile=49 psun_pven_quintile=42
I was drawn to this aspect after I saw it in Richard Dawkins' and Lalla Ward's relationship. Its well documented that they met (and appear to have immediately hit it off) at Douglas Adams' birthday party in March 1992. They share a progressed Sun progressed Venus quintile which was exact in 1992. Here's a list of others with this aspect:
Mick Jagger and Jerry Hall
Doris Day and Martin Melcher
Doris Day and George Weidler
Jessica Tandy and Hume Cronyn
Jamie Theakston and Joely Richardson
Chandra Levy and Gary Condit
Halle Berry and Eric Benet
Cecil B Demille and Constance Adams
Gary Oldman and Uma Thurman
Ian Holm and Penelope Wilton
Julia Roberts and Kiefer Sutherland
Kevin Bacon and Kyra Sedgwick
Lana Turner and Fernando Lamas
Lana Turner and Artie Shaw
Marla Maples and Donald Trump
Janet Leigh and Tony Curtis
Tom Mix and Victoria Forde
Princess Margaret and Peter Townsend
Mick Jagger and Marianne Faithfull
Callista Flockhart and Harrison Ford
Rita Hayworth and Aly Khan
Frederico Fellini and Guilietta Masina
Mai Zetterling and Tutte Lemkow
Richard Basehart and Valentina Cortese
Sam Jaffe and Bettye Ackerman
Fritz Lang and Thea von Harbou
Lana Turner and Johnny Stomponato
John Gilbert and Greta Garbo
Johnny Johnston and Kathryn Grayson
Howard Hughes and Marion Marsh
Lucia Bose and Luis Miguel Dominguin
Miriam Hopkins and Austin Parker
David Lean and Anne Todd
Bjorn Ulvaeus and Agnetha Faltskog
Oprah Winfrey and Stedman Graham
Bobby Darin and Sandra Dee
Federico Fachinetti and Ornella Muti
Karla Homolka and Paul Bernardo
Henri Vidal and Michele Morgan
Rod Stewart and Marcy Hanson
John Drew Barrymore and Tuesday Weld
Merle Oberon and Leslie Hutchinson

A clue here is that it occurs for some people more than once. This may mean they like its effect."
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/207655-2.html

I also wonder, or actually I am thinking it is likely, that the recent expression of a certain mutual intrigue, might be described by

his pr Venus quintile my n Sun 0.6 a
(and my pr Venus sextile his n Sun 1.1 a).

And maybe I should keep an eye on his

pr DESC conjunct my n Mars 2°15 a
and later on
pr DSC conjunct my n ASC 4°11 a
(it is funny just when the DESC-Mars-progression will wane, the DESC-ASC one will come into play. lol)

posted October 03, 2014 08:59 AM            

I agree. The minors add an extra layer. I expect to see those in special, unusual, creative, extraordinary relationships/people, added to the "incarnated" frame (the division of the circle).

The magic of the minors doesn't overshadow the magic of Conjunctio or of the opposition and their archetypal value But I suspect there will be a minor theme flavoring those and present in a connection between two Aqua Age people

wow...impressive list of Qs, thanks for that. I love that, it's one of my favorite aspects.

posted October 03, 2014 02:26 PM            

Davison;
Sun 21’53 Aries
Moon 27’06 Cancer
(square by 5’13 ^)

Draconic Composite
Sun 12’59 Sag
Moon 7’41 Pisces
(square by 5’18 ^)

Well, I know one thing for sure now; we’re blessed when it comes to tight orbs here ^^.

What I see most of the time is this;

The “Composite” AND “Draco Composite” have about the exact same Sun/Moon angle with most couples (BUT, not ALWAYS.. I don’t get much grip on this – very weird) yea well, they HAVE to be the same,

The DAVISON Sun/Moon angle usually differs 10 to 20 degree from the Compo & draco Compo Sun/moon angle.

posted October 03, 2014 02:42 PM            

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The “Composite” AND “Draco Composite” have about the exact same Sun/Moon angle with most couples (BUT, not ALWAYS.. I don’t get much grip on this – very weird) yea well, they HAVE to be the same,

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If they are of the same age their nodal axis might be conjunct.
In other cases I have no clue, really.

EDIT:
the aspect gestalt between composite and Draco composite stays the same naturally. The only difference could be that either the tropical angle is repeated, or 180° minus the angle