posted May 24, 2015 02:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Sure, I can send it to you via email.
Could you please send me an email first, so that neither of us have to share our addresses publicly on here (mine is on the forum, in Brown Owl School where you can see Moderators' names). If you can't find it, I'll just type it out here and edit later.

Ps. Gabby, feel free to send me an email if you wish, as well.

Have a wonderful day, ladies. ~

Ps. "Poisson" actually means "fish" in French, and I thought it was funny because Voix mistyped the word "Poison", haha.

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Teach away Doux! My stomach tells me you are someone I could indeed learn from.

Ah yes, I knew it was french for something.
I know what Gabby is saying though.

I think we are handling the phonetics of the asteroids, so in this way, an English speaker could pronounce POISSON POI-SON, if they drop the french accent.

I remember iQ once saying that the sound of the asterois name has to be exactly the same as the relevant word, for it to carry the same energy.

posted May 24, 2015 03:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I'm ok, I'm taking it slow doing like this and I listed some of your placements...that helps so I can see them.

I have pisces Pallas exact opposed my Moon.
The patterns of a chart turn into the charts emotions or feelings, Pallas has that intuitive/psychic energy and that energy is transposed onto my Moon so my feelings momentarily become what I sense from the charts energy.
To bad it's not a trine or something it wouldn't be such a shock or stress, but my opposition shows this process will not be exactly easy for me to deal with, it's something I must learn to balance, it's a gift either way!

Don't worry about me anymore! I'm enjoying looking this over and I want to help so we both can learn. Plus the initial overwhelming feeling has gone away.
Vesta sits on my Pallas in 6th, so im dedicating helping others heal, it's something I love... just have to be responsible about it.

"Vesta's placement in the horoscope shows where and how we can be dedicated, where we can focus our energies to the greatest effect. But it also shows where, periodically, we have to withdraw and "recharge our batteries." If we don't, we will become drained, and even sick."

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Yes, that is a gift for sure!
I experience a similar thing with music, because I was refused formal training in music (my mother was/is a musician and didn't want competition) my ear learned by memorising the layers of patterns in sound, which I would then translate to the hands on the piano. That was my earliest learning, and is what led to me creating my own patterns - songs.

Yes, I can see how you have massive potential for assisting others to heal - perhaps you may use your writing in this way, for those who are ready to heal by going THROUGH? That journey is always safer with someone walking beside you, whether it be a friend, an author, a musician, a therapist.

posted May 24, 2015 03:24 AM            

There seems to be a theme with Zeus-Leda.

Rape by illusion and trickery.

Zeus appearing as benign in order to assault Leda.

This is classical grooming.

I will put up the charts, and list these.

posted May 24, 2015 03:32 AM            

Gabby-stepdad:

Voix-stepdad:

posted May 24, 2015 03:47 AM            

Natally, your stepdad has LEDA conj. ANTI_VERTEX.

Your stepdad's ZEUS sq. your NN (1') tr. your VENUS (1').

Your stepdad's LEDA sq. your PLUTO exact.

Your SUSANNA conj. his SUN exact.

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I have ZEUS-LEDA in 6th, conj. stepdad's ANTI-VERTEX.
(LEDA is 6' conj. ZEUS is 1' conj)

Natally, my stepdad has LEDA conj. SUN.

My ZEUS widely sq. his LEDA (6' - we probably wouldn't count this, if there were no other supporting aspects though).

My stepdad's LEDA (again, widely - 5') conj. my SOUTH NODE.

My stepdad's SUN sq. my TAMAR exact.

posted May 24, 2015 03:52 AM            

Both our stepdad's put their ZEUS' in our 5th houses.

AND:

Both put their CHIRONs in our 4th houses.

AND:

Both put their TAMAR in our 8th houses.

AND:

Both put their NESSUS in our 8th houses.

AND:

His LEDA in Your 4th.

posted May 24, 2015 04:15 AM            

It's quite surprising laid out like this.

Gabby 8th:
His NESSUS; TAMAR;

Voix 8th:
His CHILD; NESSUS; TAMAR;

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Gabby 7th:
His KARMA; DEPREZ; SEDNA;

Voix 7th:
His PAINE; SEDNA; DINAH;

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Gabby 5th:
His DEJANIRA; OHNO; ZEUS;

Voix 5th:
His MENTALL; ZEUS;

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Gabby 4th:
His CHIRON; NN; HINDERER; PINOCCHIO; LEDA; SUSANNA

Voix 4th:
His DEPREZ; VENUS; CHIRON; DEJANIRA; HINDERER; HAZARD;

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Gabby 3rd:
His MENTALL; NEMESIS;

posted May 24, 2015 04:41 AM            

Punished twice, effectively.
As she was sent away following the rape, as if she was to blame.

This is interesting, as I have often seen abusers justify abuse/rape of children by stating that the child was "seductive" and they just couldn't help themselves.

However, "seductiveness", or "playing the part" is taught by the abuser, usually as part of the grooming process, and probably to justify their actions. And can also be used by the child in an effort to take back some power in the abusive situation. To perform, so as to please and reduce the pain that inevitably comes from the abuse - physical and emotional.

To feel an illusory sense of volition, in a helpless situation.

Also, the sense of annihilation that abuse puts on the child, results in a constant feeling that they might, or ARE dying.

Fragmenting, and disintegrating.

When you think you might or are dying, the survival instinct kicks in. You do what you have to, to survive.

posted May 24, 2015 09:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
These are really quite telling Gabby.

His CHILD on my PHILOMENA is interesting.
I would have thought this one would have went the other way.
But perhaps this relates to how his childhood anger/suffering was transferred to me through abuse?

I haven't heard that interpretation of the 3rd house before, roots and early awareness I thought related to the 4th, but is it that the early awareness of self and how it relates to/interacts with the environment (communication) is the 3rd, and the 4th is the physical manifestation of that relationship (early home)?

I very much relate to Nyctimene. Every chance I got, I ran to nature. Whether it be forest, sea, mountains. It is the only time I was able to feel real and some sense of wholeness. I also ran to the piano, but as this was within his control, he would ban me from it as punishment for not being compliant enough.

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Yes....3rd is the unconscious mind as well as the conscious mind but it's the unconscious mind before the physical manifestation, the foundation for life as it's being laid in the childhood.

posted May 24, 2015 10:03 AM            

He puts Leda in your 3rd, he tried to build this into the foundation of your unconscious mind. We see that so obviously by the way he treated you, making you feel the relationship was a real genuine relationship based on love and confidentiality between equals. That's so crazy he would try to do that to a child! Wow! The nerve that would take, you know somewhere in the back of his head he knew and thought he was pulling one over on you, it's destigusting!

posted May 24, 2015 10:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Sure, I can send it to you via email.
Could you please send me an email first, so that neither of us have to share our addresses publicly on here (mine is on the forum, in Brown Owl School where you can see Moderators' names). If you can't find it, I'll just type it out here and edit later.

Ps. Gabby, feel free to send me an email if you wish, as well.

Have a wonderful day, ladies. ~

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posted May 24, 2015 11:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I used to write poetry too! My focus is songs now. But yes, that is what I meant, manic energy channelled into creative projects. The same energy got me through university.

I wish you all the best with your book, you are very brave for writing this. I hope you will share it one day, and let your truth fly.

You express yourself well from what I have seen on LL, so I have no doubt that your writing would be popular, should you take that path Gabby. You also have the strength to tackle dark subjects with honesty and clarity, that is a great quality for writing books.

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posted May 24, 2015 08:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Wow, those houses and aspects are crazy!! The Zues/Leda really got my attention because of the(as you mentioned) grooming influence.

He puts Leda in your 3rd, he tried to build this into the foundation of your unconscious mind. We see that so obviously by the way he treated you, making you feel the relationship was a real genuine relationship based on love and confidentiality between equals. That's so crazy he would try to do that to a child! Wow! The nerve that would take, you know somewhere in the back of his head he knew and thought he was pulling one over on you, it's destigusting!

Then I have Leda/Zues there natally along with his anti-Vertex....that's a very simular energy as you have with your step dad. He brings mine to my 4th house, which leads me to believe he had already groomed me in a past life and that foundation had already been laid for him to manifest it into reality in this life again, like he was picking up where he left off.
Funny, iQ told me he had my teacher in a past life but he was not a teacher of light and when he tried to turn me to the darker practices I rebelled against him and became very powerful in my own rights and he was set to destroy me...and his soul still is. iQ doesn't think my step dad was a normal "human soul" wish I could remember the name of what he called him but they are destructive beings set out to stop humanities evolution. He is hell bent on stopping me from opening myself and others hearts, and he had me completely emotionally and spiritually wiped out and brainwashed for most of my life!
Very interesting aspects!

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I know, right?

Gabby, you open hearts all over LL, and I'm sure also in RL. He has failed. As did my stepdad.

The urge to grow and evolve is very powerful in all life on this planet. I don't think there is any force that can stop this, other than the person themselves.

posted May 24, 2015 09:06 PM            

"MOON Parallel PLUTO

Your instinctive consciousness is attuned to a vastness of symbols that gives you a compulsively driven nature. You have a need to replicate patterns that you saw around you when you were quite young in order to feel comfortable. This can give your family of origin an inordinate influence in your life as an adult, but you will study this feature of yourself and work at freeing yourself from your past. This gives you a mechanism for self transformation."

From: http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/declinationsparallels.html

I have this natally.

posted May 24, 2015 09:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I know, right?

Gabby, you open hearts all over LL, and I'm sure also in RL. He has failed. As did my stepdad.

The urge to grow and evolve is very powerful in all life on this planet. I don't think there is any force that can stop this, other than the person themselves.

Even in the harshest of conditions, you will see a plant grow. Life we call "weeds" can even overcome our culling of them.

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posted May 25, 2015 04:45 AM            

(with your consent/interest, I could also do the composites of us-stepdads).

If you can think of which asteroids to include let me know/do me a wee number series.

In the meantime, here is our composite:

posted May 25, 2015 04:55 AM            

CERES (11th 0'Virgo) tr. VERTEX/CHIRON (7th 6'Taurus) tr.MERCURY/PALLAS (3rd 3'4'Capricorn)

Would this be a true grand trine, even if the orbs are not exact though?

It caught my eye, as those planets/ asteroids working in tandem, appear to cover a lot of the nature of our communication:

posted May 25, 2015 05:10 AM            

Your NN conj. comp. URANUS. (2')
My NN conj. comp. MC. (2')

Your MOON conj. comp. NN. (3')
My MOON conj. comp. NN. (4')

Your SUN conj. comp. VENUS (2')
My SUN sq. comp. URANUS (2')

Your NN sq. comp. MARS (3')
My NN sq. comp. PLUTO (4')

posted May 25, 2015 01:27 PM            

Check out that VERTEX action in both!!

Doux-Voix:

Doux-Gabby:

posted May 25, 2015 01:31 PM            

you put URANUS/NEPTUNE on my SOUTH NODE (3')

I was looking at parallels today and I have NEPTUNE/URANUS parallel NORTH NODE.

posted May 25, 2015 01:35 PM            

Doux's PLUTO conj. Gabby's NN
Doux's SATURN sq. Gabby's NN

Gabby's SUN/MERCURY conj. Doux's NN
Gabby's SATURN tr. Doux's NN

posted May 25, 2015 04:10 PM            

I really like that we all have a Virgo Moon.
It's not a very common placement from what I've seen (at least IRL) so it feels sort of special, ha.

And Nodes activity is always a plus, for me. I know some people don't really like such connections as they tend to be "heavy" (as in, they usually point to lessons that need to be learned, and so on) but personally I find them interesting and intriguing.

I also like the fact that your Mercuries are in close aspect to my ASC - in my experience that's very good for communication and sharing of ideas (even though my own Mercury isn't in aspect with yours nor in a friendly sign).

I have a question for you girls:

How do you (think you) experience your retrograde planets?

I have a few ideas about my own Mercury Rx but would like to hear your thoughts.

posted May 25, 2015 04:34 PM            

I also like the Merc/AC connection, very good for communication and getting along in general. I also like semi-sextile aspect to. It's not major but it's a nice blending feeling, it's mild but still there.