posted August 21, 2015 09:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Yes, LeeLo,
it's possible we do repeat some of the aspects we observed in our parents synastry.
It's interesting that in my past synastries I usually was the Saturn.
For the first time now, I am NOT the Saturn. OMG, it feels so different. He calls me a child!!! I freaking child! ME!
His Saturn conjuncts my Venus.

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posted August 21, 2015 09:45 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
declinations in the composite. do they count?

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posted August 21, 2015 10:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Ah, Venus conjunct Saturn. I have it with someone DW. You feel upset of him calling you child? Please, pray to God to never have this aspect in DW. You will go crazy.

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posted August 21, 2015 10:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Not really upset, but surprised. He is younger than me, I am supposed to be the wiser one, am i not now..He complains I am too childish and flirtatious and unsettled. I am like, child, please...but I can feel his Saturnian ways with me. Restrictive yet so balanced.

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posted August 21, 2015 11:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Not restrictive, love, responsible. He feels responsible for you. Protective towards you. It's not a bad thing.

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posted August 21, 2015 11:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
This is what he says exactly, Rose!
I think he is uber restrictive, he thinks he is protective.
Saturn- Venus interplay by the book

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posted August 21, 2015 06:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Parallels specifically, or contraparallel, too?

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posted August 21, 2015 11:32 PM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Wondering about the relevance of both actually
I just discovered Mars P Venus and moon CP Pluto among others. Within 1.

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posted August 22, 2015 02:24 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Anyway, it's a great aspect to have. What I am saying is that it is not the epitome or the guarantee of true romantic love and it is not a common marker for romance/marriage. More of a bonus, mitigating aspect.

But that's just my opinion based on charts.

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posted August 22, 2015 06:53 AM              

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
It depends upon the natal distance between VENUS and SUN in each natal. And THEN how it 'translates' mathematically in the composite.

Whilst basic astronomy, we can't deny that there is a profundity to it, given the nature of the sharing aspects close to the same degree in distance, or near enough.

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posted August 22, 2015 07:09 AM              

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Originally posted by Orange:
oh, and forgot to add, hunny.....ya know how important is the progression of Sun/Venus in progressed synastry between to people indicating the beginning of a romance ( Paul Westran theory)..so that's another testimony of how much love these two planets produce when in aspect, natal or progressed synastry

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It's a very nice aspect indeed, but I wouldn't tell someone: his Venus conj your Sun, he adores you forever and ever, or you have a "love stellium" in your composite, that one should be called "the astronomical stellium" It doesn't mean this stellium in the composite doesn't feel nice; the downside of stelliums in the composite or compacted composites (all conjunct or stringing in there) is that when this part is hit by a transit, you have a domino effect, and the composite could crumble without dynamic aspects coming from some place else. Personally, I haven't seen a compacted composite in a long-term love relationship so far, not even one that I can remember of.

My own composite with the ex has a high degree of compaction, despite the GT. When the 7th house was hit, everything crumbled at once, in fact one by one, like a domino. A transit on Uranus 29 ended everything, over all the planets stringing in there, by the time it reached NN at 11.

Anyway, I think the major point here is that no aspect alone defines marriage and love. If I were to choose an aspect that is emblematic in long term love relationships, that would be Sun in aspect to Moon, not Venus, and luminaries, Venus or Mars in aspect to Saturn. But even Sun in aspect to Moon can be present in many long term friendships, or in unrequited synastries, if nothing else is there to support it. I meant synastry, not composite though, Sun to Moon in composite is not that relevant.

I think the only marker in a composite to look for (apart from what I described which comes from many criteria) is Saturn being in aspect with at least one of the personal planets or an important love/marriage ruler. Apart from that, no other composite aspect is more or less compulsory.

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted August 22, 2015 08:23 AM            

The synastrical Sun-Venus is what I was referring to. It denotes pure love between two people in a romantic relationship. Venus does love the Sun.

Paul Westran theory is that we start a love relationship when the progression allows it, and the most frequent progression is Sun to partner's Venus (or vice versa) . So I was saying - look how much love these two planets bring.
Also, Sun-Venus progression in natal chart is usually described as the time when one meets the love of their life.

So..Sun and Venus = LOVE

Sun and Moon = compatilbility

posted August 22, 2015 08:40 AM              

IME, Sun/Venus in synastry does not AUTOMATICALLY mean love between two people or Venus loving the Sun. In fact, as I said, I rarely see this aspect in long-term loves. It's not a marker in the charts I have studied, many of them everyone knows. If this theory were true, it should be there, but it isn't.

While I have great admiration for Mr Westran's work, IME, Venus/Sun soft aspects are not always there when people get together and Venus/Sun sq is not always there when people split up either. There are other variations (he mentions them too) such as DSC planet/ruler/chart ruler hard aspects, Sun to Moon, Sun Moon to angles etc. So it isn't an exclusive marker of love or non-love in progressions either.

As I said, it is a combination of factors that gives romantic love in relationships: romantic factor + erotic factor + marital factor (if we are considering long term love). Not a single aspect, neither in tropical, nor progressions.

To be honest, since we keep debating on this, IMO, Sun Moon dynamics of some kind (such as Moon phases) is much more relevant for romantic relationships in both stationery and progression charts.

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AstroMandala

posted August 22, 2015 08:46 AM              

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Originally posted by Orange:
yes, yes....but Sun/Venus is the most frequent one at the onset, he found out.

Anyway, enuff said.
kisses, my lovely. smooooch.

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posted August 22, 2015 03:25 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:

And when I met the love of my life, I had Solar Arc Venus conjunct Natal Sun to the exact second on the day we met.

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posted August 23, 2015 12:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
That's karmic, EmGem.

You should have a look at the parallels / contraparallels thread which Yungang started awhile back, and I commented on.

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thanks Auby. I've read that thread. Still confused though as to the EXACT difference between parallels and contras as it seems they both represent re-testing to ensure we have learnt lessons from the past. Is it that CP shared lessons whereas P are not??

Yes it's definitely karmic. kinda crazy what i'm dicovering composite within 1.10

Eros CP Psyche
Neptune P Psyche - wonder if this is why we often find ourselves synchronistically thinking about one another and he comes to my dreams with messages.The other night I dreamt of him in a past life.
Eros P Venus
Neptune CP Venus
Neptune P NN
Uranus P NN
Psyche P NN
Moon P Lilith
Moon CP Pluto
Mars P Venus
Moon P Persephone
Sun P Valentine
Jupiter P Prosepina
Jupiter CP Neptune
Venus P Prosepina
Venus P SN
Venus P Chiron
Vertex P Saturn
Venus P Jupiter
Venus P Alma
Venus CP Uranus - yuck coz we have the Opposition too!
Alma P Chiron
Alma P Mars
Juno P DSC
POF P DSC
Karma P IC
Vertex P IC

posted August 24, 2015 07:09 AM            

However, I am less than thrilled with the relationship and hindsight has taught me much (we rushed into it, I was his rebound girl, etc.).

posted November 03, 2022 02:55 AM            

Venus is the lubrication for relationships of all kind.

This, I understand, is why Venus runs so close to the Sun, astronomically.

The same principle applies to Mercury - less people would engage in conversation, and therefore, share experiences and learn as a race, and as a collective group animal - such as mammals, which humans are.

Remembering that, Venus is about collaboration. To do so, on first instance, we feel a liking for a person. This "like" is the avenue of choosing who we might collaborate with.

Venus is the ruler of the 7th house, which is the first house where we experience other people for collaboration.

Romantic relationships are a collaboration. And this is why the 7th house is considered a - or even THE - relationship house: indeed, it is the first relationship house.

It is likely then, romantic relationships may proceed from the initial liking that Venus provides. Especially when you throw in traditional cultural norms that run our relating, eg: meet someone you like and have babies.

Leos points are x2, and are absolutely correct, but are lost on many here who cannot see the forest for the trees (narrow minded, and don't understand the principles).

That:
1) Some/many people will definitely settle for, and be satisfied by the initial liking provided by Venus/Sun and will proceed with a romantic relationship. For something extra "special" (romantic/intimate/individual/unique - whatever), something else in the composite is necessary beyond that initial liking. Which would represent a more personal/special(whatever) romantic relationship.

2) Statistically, given the astronomical reality, it is likely there will exist in a composite chart a Venus conjunct Sun.

Again, for some people, that is enough to initiate a loving relationship. The realms of variation run the gamut, from being the first "love" infused with teenage hormones, or settling for a situation that is "good enough" if a person perceives that, maybe they will have limit options for love (eg, they are in some way love disadvantaged). Maybe they are more isolated, and have less personal contact.