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Rosalind
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posted August 23, 2015 12:12 PM
  
Thank you Ceri, for your kind words. I really appreciate them. Unfortunately I cannot see the light when I lived all my life in the dark.IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted August 23, 2015 12:18 PM
Rosalind, I understand. And as much as I regret this, I know I can`t help you, I can`t make you see something that is not within you presently. Just offering you my compassion and the hope that you will be able to see the light soon.  IP: Logged |
mir
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posted August 23, 2015 02:04 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Orange:
no, no personal sun/moon aspect in the progressions for both of us
BUT
our personal progressed Sun/Moon midpoints for both of us were conjunct, we both had it at the time ( and still do, since the move with a similar speed) at 23' Scorpio/Aqua
Wow! I always look for that too. I have this also with someone for life - conjunct progressed Sun/Moon midpoints - but the guy unfortunately is with a girl with whom she shares a pSun/Venus trine currently (and they met during a pVenus/Venus trine) while we only shared a verrry slow pSun/Venus square (now a bit separating) for years. Also in our natal-synastry only one Sun/Venus square (him Venus again). But he couldn't let go of me.. and just recently we decided to NOT have any further contact as long as he is with that girl which I initiated and he understood the reason why. It's almost impossible to have a friendship with a guy that's already taken and for sure when you like each other a bit more than just that. With that current one of mine our progressed Sun/Moon midpoints are 11 degrees from a conjunction and it wil be exact in about 15 years or so. So his' pMoon clearly a higher speed. So yes, I think these conjunct progressed Sun/Moon midpoints are pretty telling. Rosa, I totally get you. More than I can put into words here. I understand and also get why most words ventilated here don't resonate with your experience at all, despite all the great intentions from everyone here.
On the progressions, I wouldn't set my hope on this one UNLESS he's clearly expressing his interest and making the effort to BE with you. I would also suggest to explore the progressions and make it your own. It's a great reassuring tool which puts things at place more than you can imagine. I'll guide you with this if you like. IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted August 23, 2015 02:27 PM
Thank you mir. Until a month ago when he got the accident, he has shown an interest in me and tried to approach me. He spent 6 months doing that. Now... everything became too complicated. We act now due our egos. He is hurt and upset and I don't want to chase him. I never wanted to fell in love with him but he was too insistent into getting into my heart. Not sure what is gonna happen. We haven't talked in 3 weeks. He doesn't call or text me. I was the one doing that. He told me he doesn't like virtual world and that he preffers face to face interaction. It might me a lie. Dunno. The thing is... I am getting tired of games and ego. That's why I want to give up. Doesn't matter if he loves me or anything. Doesn't matter if he wants to protect me. Silence and coldness are not the answers I am looking for.He acts now the way I acted towards him before the accident. I tried to keep him at distance. I didn't want to suffer another disappointment. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted August 23, 2015 03:13 PM
Well, Mir, saying that the rest of us "ventilated" here is not nice, quite insulting.Encouraging words to stay positive are always welcome. Maybe we all had or have a harsh life and it is a known fact a positive attitude doesn't belong to those who had an easy factual life, quite the contrary. ------------------
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Faith
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posted August 23, 2015 03:49 PM
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mir
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posted August 23, 2015 05:08 PM
Rosa Rosa, You give me goosebumps...
Pfft.
Rosa listen, I get it. He got an accident, which has logically changed everything. An accident is a BIG confrontation with life itself. When we go through such heavy things we will see the relativity of life and the things we once pursued in another light. We will, so to speak, more see what's worth living/fighting for, the people who are worth living for and support us during the bad and vulnerable times in our lives. Even without any physical injury it must have been a shock to him which he carries within and explains everything about his current state and lack of pursuing you now. We want someone to stand NEXT to us and support us, not someone that has clearly avoided every approach during the better days and is now showing half/half interest and is making an issue of "ego". He knows/feels that. What he truly misses now is a deep genuine understanding for the things he went through as only on that he can build a future together. I don't feel any ego from his side here Rosa. It's up to you now. But I'm aware this requires another attitude from the inside, and leaving the ego behind.
Sorry u feel that way Lee. I feel Rosa / that's all. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted August 23, 2015 05:16 PM
Yeah, well, italics and the word "I" or "feel" doesn't do it for me here; you can feel her in your own way without moping with everyone who tried to help here in their own way and make them "ventilators".I didn't spend a few hours of my life to spill my guts on this thread for someone who feels to come and say that. How does that make you a "feelings" person? You can take care of the whining part without bashing everyone else who didn't. IP: Logged |
Vajra
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posted August 23, 2015 05:38 PM
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LeeLoo2014
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posted August 23, 2015 05:45 PM
Thank you for the definition, Vajra. Much appreciated, since I am not a native speaker. But beyond this, I can feel too. It was intended for what I say. To point out the others here, or most of them, instead of trying to help in their own ways, ventilated on this thread, as opposed to Mir who feels and understands. ------------------
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LeeLoo2014
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posted August 23, 2015 05:51 PM
And I honestly don't understand your intervention, Vajra. Has something recently made you suspect that I may be an idiot?------------------
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mir
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posted August 23, 2015 05:55 PM
Vajra wow! Haha that's *IT* ~~! I thought about elaborating on the word too ;D(neither my mommy language) Right Lee, I guess you need a break dear. IP: Logged |
Vajra
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posted August 23, 2015 05:56 PM
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Vajra
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posted August 23, 2015 06:02 PM
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LeeLoo2014
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posted August 23, 2015 06:02 PM
Very nice, both of you. Cheers to your sensitivities. Mir, your courage impresses me.It was rude to say people came and ventilated on this thread, everyone put their hearts in this thread. And it will stay rude until we all go to Shambhala. Peace and flower power! ------------------
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Faith
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posted August 23, 2015 06:10 PM
Friends, not these tones. quote:
I understand and also get why most words ventilated here don't resonate with your experience at all, despite all the great intentions from everyone here.
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mir
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posted August 23, 2015 06:13 PM
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Rosalind
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posted August 24, 2015 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by mir:
Rosa Rosa, You give me goosebumps...
Pfft.
Rosa listen, I get it. He got an accident, which has logically changed everything. An accident is a BIG confrontation with life itself. When we go through such heavy things we will see the relativity of life and the things we once pursued in another light. We will, so to speak, more see what's worth living/fighting for, the people who are worth living for and support us during the bad and vulnerable times in our lives. Even without any physical injury it must have been a shock to him which he carries within and explains everything about his current state and lack of pursuing you now. We want someone to stand NEXT to us and support us, not someone that has clearly avoided every approach during the better days and is now showing half/half interest and is making an issue of "ego". He knows/feels that. What he truly misses now is a deep genuine understanding for the things he went through as only on that he can build a future together. I don't feel any ego from his side here Rosa. It's up to you now. But I'm aware this requires another attitude from the inside, and leaving the ego behind.
Sorry u feel that way Lee. I feel Rosa / that's all.
Firstly, it was a minor accident. No life threatening.
Secondly, the accident was not a shock for him, but for me. He is now more frustrated he is temporarily incapacitated since he is a very active person. To me was a shock to realise he WAS and IS very important to me. I remember the day his best friend came out of the blue to tell me about what happened. That moment I thought fate brought him.
I almost fainted and got tears in my eyes. His best friend "read" me. He is a psychologist. I tried to hide was obvious but in vain. His best friend asked me bluntly: Do you love him, right? I tried to deny it. I was afraid.
But the feelings were there. I wanted to be next to him in any moment of his life, good and bad, but I was afraid and still am. I don't want to get hurt again but I also don't want to hurt him. Not anymore. I think you are right. He might avoid me not due ego but because he is also afraid of being hurt.
Everyone, including his best friend adviced me to have a talk with him. Maybe I will, when he gets better and able to come to work. That is what I wanted. To be there for him, even if we cannot be together. IP: Logged |
mir
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posted August 24, 2015 10:17 PM
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Firstly, it was a minor accident. No life threatening.
Secondly, the accident was not a shock for him, but for me. He is now more frustrated he is temporarily incapacitated since he is a very active person. To me was a shock to realise he WAS and IS very important to me.
Rosa, what I meant is that it doesn't objectively have to be a life threatening event to be a big confrontation with life itself or our mortality. And wow... Now I read he's incapacitated I feel the pain of him going through this whole mess even more than yesterday. And that with the fact of him being a very active person! (< very familiar with this myself). Rosa, I also get your pain, the pain of suddenly realising how much you care. But this is really not the time to think about yourself or about the fear of being hurt, this is a time you should think about him IF you care and realise how much of a big shock with such devastating consequences this truly is for him. AND, this is the time to show you care. How? Just by letting him know you will be there to support him if he needs it in these harsh days. But Let it be up to him (ofcourse) whether he needs it or not. He definitely needs space for himself now too, to mentally and physically recover from this whole happening, please do not underestimate that fact. But by letting him know you care - "if he needs you / you'll be there" - will make a world of difference, if not now than with the passing of time. And next to that, send him a card with best wishes or something like it, your way of letting him know you care in bits and pieces. This Rosa, will also be the only way to not blame yourself anything afterwards, as that would be a horrible experience. And.. my guess: it's not too late now, the accident has only been 3 weeks ago! **THIS** is the time to act, carefully. Don't wait.. IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted August 25, 2015 01:13 AM
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Originally posted by mir:
Rosa, what I meant is that it doesn't objectively have to be a life threatening event to be a big confrontation with life itself or our mortality. And wow... Now I read he's incapacitated I feel the pain of him going through this whole mess even more than yesterday. And that with the fact of him being a very active person! (< very familiar with this myself). Rosa, I also get your pain, the pain of suddenly realising how much you care. But this is really not the time to think about yourself or about the fear of being hurt, this is a time you should think about him IF you care and realise how much of a big shock with such devastating consequences this truly is for him. AND, this is the time to show you care. How? Just by letting him know you will be there to support him if he needs it in these harsh days. But Let it be up to him (ofcourse) whether he needs it or not. He definitely needs space for himself now too, to mentally and physically recover from this whole happening, please do not underestimate that fact. But by letting him know you care - "if he needs you / you'll be there" - will make a world of difference, if not now than with the passing of time. And next to that, send him a card with best wishes or something like it, your way of letting him know you care in bits and pieces. This Rosa, will also be the only way to not blame yourself anything afterwards, as that would be a horrible experience. And.. my guess: it's not too late now, the accident has only been 3 weeks ago! **THIS** is the time to act, carefully. Don't wait..
I did. I offered him my support, I told him he can count on me with everything but he acted very standoffish. At least on the internet. In real life he is like another person. His face lights up when he sees me, he smiles and seems very happy when he sees me. Also, he kept sending his best friend to see if Im ok, like he would want to protect me or something. I dont know. His behaviour is very strange. I miss him and I want badly to know how he is doing but I dont want to bother him anymore. I dont want to suffocate him either.
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mir
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posted August 25, 2015 02:34 AM
Aah yesss, it went through my mind that you already might have offered him your support. AND.. this is a *GREAT* thing to hear! But I get your insecurity now about what-to-do / how-to-handle things etc. But Rosa this is a very very natural thing in this phase of both your lives. After all there was more of a 'hunting vibe' than a 'true relationship' before the accident in which you sort of rejected him out of fear. While he 'kept hunting' until the accident. We come back to the words; quote:
He definitely needs space for himself now too, to mentally and physically recover from this whole happening, please do not underestimate that fact.
There will always be periods in your life - like these of your guy - that we simply lose the power to constructively relate to others. It's not that we don't want it, but we simply miss the power to do so. This has nothing to do with you but with the sad fact of circumstances that completely overwhelm us, through which phase he's going right now. You have nothing to blame yourself, which is wonderful. Him sending his friends to see if you're okay, feels as a very heart-warming glow and that is all he can offer right now. He thinks about you Rosa and he misses you too. Send him a nice card (not a cyber card svp ;D) he will very much appreciate it and he deserves it. ___ You know Rosa, see it like this; he kept hunting you. Was it simply a hunt for the hunt itself? Or did he keep hunting because he could look right through your 'insecurities'? Why does a guy keep hunting for so long? My bet is that this is a cause of an instinctively knowing he will "get his prey" finally. And not a "prey for a night" as that would give another pic and he already must have been aware of your insecurities. HE could see right through you / he felt strong when hunting you. But now.. YOU have to see right through him / the time and space he terribly needs. It's your turn to be strong. And that is what we may call 'the very natural karma of life'. This all woudn't be happened if the 2 of you were already *in* a relationship, so when your surrender would be there from the pretty beginning. But that is nothing to blame on you, these are just the steps by which we learn a little bit more and so to finally arise as a 'less unduly creature' when it comes to love / we become more 'open to receive' with the years and experience. IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted August 26, 2015 06:24 AM
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You know Rosa, see it like this; he kept hunting you. Was it simply a hunt for the hunt itself? Or did he keep hunting because he could look right through your 'insecurities'? Why does a guy keep hunting for so long? My bet is that this is a cause of an instinctively knowing he will "get his prey" finally. And not a "prey for a night" as that would give another pic and he already must have been aware of your insecurities.HE could see right through you / he felt strong when hunting you. But now.. YOU have to see right through him / the time and space he terribly needs. It's your turn to be strong. And that is what we may call 'the very natural karma of life'. This all woudn't be happened if the 2 of you were already *in* a relationship, so when your surrender would be there from the pretty beginning. But that is nothing to blame on you, these are just the steps by which we learn a little bit more and so to finally arise as a 'less unduly creature' when it comes to love / we become more 'open to receive' with the years and experience.
---------------------------------------- MIR, I'm afraid I didn't get this part very well. So he hunted me for so long because he knew he would get his "prey"? Like a trophy or something? Only to play me or something? Or because he knew I would eventually fall in love with him like the way he did? Can you explain me a little bit better? I'm confused. IP: Logged |
mir
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posted August 26, 2015 06:27 PM
Rosa yes, so 'that he would get his prey' OR (part of the same coin) translated: that he knew you would fall in love with him. By simply using the language of nature (instinct/prey/hunting) I made a distinction between good and bad; 'getting his pray' (good) and 'prey for a night' (bad). I admit I was a bit stoned after the line in my last post, so: during your last quote. I got some deep thoughts which I thought to share, so this all may have sound a bit disjointed. But the core stays intact. IP: Logged |
mir
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posted August 26, 2015 06:31 PM
Rosa yes, so 'that he would get his prey' OR (part of the same coin) translated: that he knew you would fall in love with him. By simply using the language of nature (instinct/prey/hunting) I made a distinction between good and bad; 'getting his pray' (good) and 'prey for a night' (bad). I was a bit stoned after the line in my last post, so: during your last quote. I got some deep thoughts which I thought to share, so this all may have sound a bit disjointed. But the core stays intact. IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted August 27, 2015 01:57 AM
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Originally posted by mir:
Rosa yes, so 'that he would get his prey' OR (part of the same coin) translated: that he knew you would fall in love with him. By simply using the language of nature (instinct/prey/hunting) I made a distinction between good and bad; 'getting his pray' (good) and 'prey for a night' (bad). I was a bit stoned after the line in my last post, so: during your last quote. I got some deep thoughts which I thought to share, so this all may have sound a bit disjointed. But the core stays intact.
OK... I admit... that was weird. I guess I would have to talk to him to see what are his true intentions.
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