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Topic: For Orange & Faith
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Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 4240 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted August 31, 2015 11:46 AM
For mir:He came today at work. It was a real surprise for me. A shock actually. He looked upset, sad. My attitude towards him was not good. I adopted again the same attitude I did before the accident. Cold, distant. Raising again the wall I had built before meeting him. He was starring at me constantly, I didn't want to look at him. It was hurting me. Guess Venus Rx plays a role here too. Not sure. What I know for sure is that this story is over. I will never have anything with this man. IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 21731 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted August 31, 2015 12:24 PM
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Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 4240 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted August 31, 2015 12:38 PM
Yes, Faith. Unfortunately it cannot be. I think Orange was right about Progressions. The love was not made for me. At least not when I want it and with whom I want it. I love this man with all my heart, but it's not a meant to be story.IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 21731 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted August 31, 2015 01:38 PM
I fully respect your decision to distance yourself.I've just never seen Venus conjunct Saturn DW in synastry before, and I'd be amazed if you two could just drop it. I mean, acting like it's done is one thing, FEELING that it's done is another. He stared at you constantly....hmmm.... IP: Logged |
Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 4240 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted August 31, 2015 01:53 PM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: I fully respect your decision to distance yourself.I've just never seen Venus conjunct Saturn DW in synastry before, and I'd be amazed if you two could just drop it. I mean, acting like it's done is one thing, FEELING that it's done is another. He stared at you constantly....hmmm....
Sweetheart, I have to drop it. It cannot be. Simple as that. It doesnt matter if there are feelings between us or not. Fate doesnt want us together. There are external forces that keep us having something. You know.. for the greater good. IP: Logged |
mir Knowflake Posts: 3008 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted August 31, 2015 07:29 PM
Ok yes Rosa, you probably instinctively already know at some level that it's not meant to happen. And we can't force nature in that regard, a fact. Those wall-feelings have its reason. This might be explained by a lack of progressed 4th harmonic Sun/Moon aspects with both currently, by which, in a sense, you'll be forced and challenged to act on the emerging feelings. Namely, this is more than often the case, that we see a personal 4th harmonic aspect - pMoon to pSun OR nSun - when we get *INTO* something (new). But the pVenus/nSun progression will only apply further between u both the upcoming year (with its peak in about 10 months). I don't expect him to get his eyes off you during this time until something more significant happens between the both of you. Ofcourse, that doesn't have to mean a relationship. Maybe another 'way of relating/dealing' with each other. It might very well be that he's also instinctively aware of the 'impossibility of a relationship' / hence his upset, sad look. Well, I'm curious. Keep updating if you feel so.. IP: Logged |
Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 4240 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 01, 2015 01:01 AM
Wait, mir. What?I dont understand. So in 10 months time there is gonna be something between me and this man? I thought my progressed chart said something about 10 years. Weird. I am asking you because I really dont want to get my hopes up and to end up heartbroken. Can you give me more details? Thank you, Rosa. IP: Logged |
Sunnya Knowflake Posts: 679 From: Sunnyland Registered: Jun 2014
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posted September 01, 2015 08:30 AM
Rosalind this will be my only post on your thread. I thought about posting here before but my intentions are purely to help you and I do not want to upset or cause any tension with you.I will give it a shot in helping you anyway. Take this as you wish and only know this comes with love and wishing you the best. First. I do know what is to live a hard life and to not have things easily in whatever life area. I certainly understand what is like loosing faith, hope that things will be alright. However, thankfully I am rising above all this and living one day at a time. So, if one person can do it, you can do too. It's possible . Second. Astrology, progressions, transits, etc demonstrate potentials, you ultimately have the last word and choice about what in fact happens. Third. Always follow your heart. You won't be heartbroken if you already shutdown the possibility of a relationship with this man. Heartbreaking happens when you are positively engaged and committed into something which then falls apart, hence breaking a heart. But you could open your heart to him without any expectations and see what happens. If it nothing comes of it, at least you can say that you tried and that you acted on your feelings. Not feeling sorry for yourself, but praising yourself to have the courage to step forward and open your heart. Fourth. Life is full of surprises. I am sincerely wishing that you can see the light at the end of the tunnel and open your heart to the good things in life. I sincerely wish that you wake up everyday with a smile and thinking "hello new day, I will kick ass today in whatever I do". Sometimes good things are right there in front of us, but we are so distracted by despair that we miss them. Our perspective get so clouded by the sadness we feel that we give meaning to things that do not correspond to the reality. I don't know you, but I can feel your pain which I can relate to and I am just trying to give you a little hope about things. Not just about this man, but about everything else. It is always our choice in which way we live, I wish you choose the happy way and smile at the adversities. They will start diminishing. All the best to you and take good care of yourself  IP: Logged |
mir Knowflake Posts: 3008 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted September 01, 2015 09:47 AM
quote: Originally posted by Rosalind: Wait, mir. What?I dont understand. So in 10 months time there is gonna be something between me and this man? I thought my progressed chart said something about 10 years. Weird. I am asking you because I really dont want to get my hopes up and to end up heartbroken. Can you give me more details? Thank you, Rosa.
No no, we have to make a difference between; - progressed SYNASTRY - progressed NATAL This progressed synastry aspect you both currently share - his pVenus applying to your nSun by about 1'15 deg - is usually THE big start-marker for a relationship. People usually come together with such an aspect when it's applying within a 2 deg orb. But it also might be within 1 deg applying or even by 0'25 applying. The tighter this aspect becomes this upcoming year the stronger you'll feel it. That's why I'm saying that - AS LONG as you will both see each other at work or wherever - I don't expect this will be the end already between u both (in whatever form). When it's going to separate after 10/12 months the feelings usually will slowly fade.. and I do not see any other biggies come up which doesn't bode well for the future -> USUALLY - eey don't forget; there are no rules set in stone! Now we come to the progressed natal; Your 4th harmonic progressed cycle (THE time personally for a new start) is in fact sort of approaching now (I looked again); - Your progressed Moon 2 Libra - Your natal Sun 19 Cancer (will become exact in about 17 months ^) ^ The tighter it becomes the more you feel that force/urge for a new start, and so more inclined to act on it than now/currently. His' - although no TOB - is in fact globally approaching the 4th harmonic cycle around the same time (which is btw interesting);
- progressed Moon 17 Aqua (approx) - natal Sun 12 Sag (^ becomes exact in 25 months if we take this TOB at 12 Noon) So, theoretically, by then or around that time, you are both ready for a new start.
Point is, the necessary progressed SYNASTRY pVenus/nSun is then already separating without any oher progressed synastry biggies coming up after that. And THAT is why *I* personally wouldn't set my hope on this one. And in practical terms also taken with it the Current Wall you're holding up which says a lot. It's af if you rightly feel somewhere that this is not worth fighting for.
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Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 4240 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 01, 2015 10:26 AM
Thank you Sunnya. I appreciate your words.Now, mir. You are saying that an actual relationship will happen in 25 months... That's two years. Am I understanding well? If not, sorry, but I need a better explanation. First you said 10 months, now it's 2 years. I'm super confused. My current wall... Today I decided to change my attitude towards him. In a positive way. When he came today at work I welcomed him with a smile. He smiled back and we talked for a bit. I felt great. I realised I love him too much to simply drop it. To give up on him. I thought my mind was stronger my heart. I thought I would be strong to drop the story and move on. But no, my heart snd what I feel for him are stronger. I simply cannot give up on him. I wanted to do it taking the decided based on my mind. I thought I was doing the right thing. But no. I cannot. I feel bounded to him. I feel tied to him. What will happen from now on? I have no idea. Maybe nothing, maybe something. What I know for sure, is that my heart is stronger than I thought. I raised the wall, based on my mind. I didn't do it with my whole heart. My heart was telling me the opposite. And no, I don't feel bad about it. I was happy. I am happy. I put a smile on his lips today. I feel great about it. Maybe fate, astrology and stuff are telling me that we cannot be together, that we cannot have a relationship, but what I do know, these feelings are getting and staying stronger than I thought. Just that. Faith, you were right. That Venus/Saturn DW plays its role hugely. IP: Logged |
Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 4240 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 01, 2015 12:46 PM
Gals, I was wondering something. The man we are talking about... he has a daughter from a previous marriage. From the first time I saw the little one ( she is 9) I felt something unexplanable. An urge to protect her, to nurture her. To be like a mother to her.Until I met this man, I never thought I would love another's woman child. I am a person who loves children. Very much. But I never thought myself to be like a stepmother or something. Also, I always told myself to never accept a divorced man/ single father as a potential love partner. I was fixed in my own ideas. But with this little girl... dunno how to explain it... it's something I never felt before. Any explanation for that? Astrological one? Here is the synastry chart. NO TOB for her unfortunately. I am inside. IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 21731 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted September 01, 2015 01:11 PM
Rosalind, I'm glad you are letting your heart feel what it feels. And that you're happy today. And that your feelings even extend to his daughter.  It's true, I strongly believe in Venus-Saturn...even ONE way, it's hard to break the bond. I speak with 20 years experience; I went from one Venus-Saturn conjunction relationship to another. Unfortunately, no charts are appearing at LL for me at the moment. Not sure if it's an LL glitch or what... EDIT: Ok, the charts came up... You and she both have the same nodal axis, Libra to Aries, and that's good. Her Jupiter creating a water grand trine with your sun and Jupiter. If her moon is in Taurus it could aspect your Mars and moon...she could have a soothing effect on you. IP: Logged |
Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 4240 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 01, 2015 01:18 PM
Guess its a glitch.Dear Faith, the problem is I never had this aspect and especially DW with someone before. This man is the first one. The feelings he awoke in me are different from anything I ever felt for someone else. Not sure how to explain. Very strong ones. IP: Logged |
Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 4240 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 01, 2015 01:27 PM
Yeah, her Moon may be in Taurus or in Gemini. Cannot know for sure without her TOB.IP: Logged |
Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 4240 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 01, 2015 01:32 PM
And this is the Composite chart: no TOB unfortunately. IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 21731 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted September 01, 2015 01:41 PM
OH WOW  I got goosebumps looking at that composite!  IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 21731 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted September 01, 2015 01:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by Rosalind: Dear Faith, the problem is I never had this aspect and especially DW with someone before. This man is the first one. The feelings he awoke in me are different from anything I ever felt for someone else. Not sure how to explain. Very strong ones.
I can imagine! Honestly! I just sound like a broken record about Venus-Saturn... It does strange things to me, too. Even with friends and relatives...like my niece's Venus is conjunct my Saturn and my heart has always ached with missing her, even when she was a baby, and even though she barely knows me because she grew up so far away. I used to draw her birthday cards, thinking I could inspire her to take up art, and she DID take up art, and her talent exceeds mine by far...but all this time, she had been saving my cards, and when I met her again after about a decade, she looked up to me (not fully realizing just how far she has surpassed me with her abilities.) So we have been deeply bound, even living far away, hardly ever talking, and hardly ever seeing each other. Well that is Venus-Saturn. It manifests all kinds of ways. But it's always POTENT. IP: Logged |
Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 4240 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 01, 2015 01:55 PM
That's exactly how I feel. Those three weeks where I didn't speak to him were a torture to me. I missed him a lot. That's why seeing him yesterday was a shock. Was very unexpected.Why the composite gives you goosebumps? IP: Logged |
mir Knowflake Posts: 3008 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted September 01, 2015 06:55 PM
I guess I became too complex. Just and simple follow your heart. Life itself has the biggest power of all. Nothing can alter that. Nice compo btw. IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 21731 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted September 01, 2015 09:11 PM
quote: Originally posted by Rosalind: Why the composite gives you goosebumps?
It's just beautiful, it looks meaningful, transformative, and tight-knit. There's a kite over a loose mystic rectangle...it would probably disappear if your narrowed the orbs...but the visual image is of a close relationship where nothing is left out...EVERYTHING gets integrated in this, if only subtly (where the orbs are wide.) IP: Logged |
Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 4240 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 02, 2015 12:42 AM
quote: Originally posted by mir: I guess I became too complex. Just and simple follow your heart. Life itself has the biggest power of all. Nothing can alter that. Nice compo btw.
Complex yet fascinating and very helpful. Thank you mir! IP: Logged |
Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 4240 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 02, 2015 12:43 AM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: It's just beautiful, it looks meaningful, transformative, and tight-knit. There's a kite over a loose mystic rectangle...it would probably disappear if your narrowed the orbs...but the visual image is of a close relationship where nothing is left out...EVERYTHING gets integrated in this, if only subtly (where the orbs are wide.)
No wonder why I have a special affinity for her. Its beyond me. Cant help it. IP: Logged |
Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 4240 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 03, 2015 10:03 AM
Today I was hit with shock again. I got some news that left me speechless. A coworker today started to tell us how this guy had some health issues back in spring. He was suspect of breast cancer ( I know, a rarity). 4 doctors told him the same diagnosis while a 5th one told him that he had nothing. For months he suffered in silence, nobody knew anything until one day he came to a meeting and told people there, crying, that he was about to die. I didn't know anything and even if the story had a happy ending for him ( knowing that in fact he was healthy) to me.. this news got me into another emotional shock. For 3 hours now, I can't stop crying. I blame myself and I cannot believe how stupid I was. I thought he was acting on pride and that he wanted to play me. If he has real feelings for me, I don't deserve them. I don't deserve being loved by this man. I hurt him too much and I cannot forgive myself.IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 unregistered
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posted September 03, 2015 10:07 AM
That would explain for the very tough cards you had in your health spread for him, the one we discussed, especially in the past, probably showing the bad news (Tower). I am very sorry to hear I hope your friend gets well.IP: Logged |
Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 4240 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 03, 2015 10:08 AM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: That would explain for the very tough cards you had in your health spread for him, the one we discussed, especially in the past, probably showing the bad news (Tower). I am very sorry to hear I hope your friend gets well.
We are not friends. But thanks for your kind words.  LE: He is well. The diagnoses were wrong. He has nothing. IP: Logged |