posted December 14, 2015 02:15 PM              

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:

Ceri, when you say you'd be concerned about a lack of Juno/Moon/Venus aspects, do you mean all these should be aspected or at least some kind of thing? Sorry if that's a silly question

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Not silly, no.

Well, I like to have an overall view, but I`d like to have aspects to both Moon and Venus (Juno might not be so detrimental, it`s an asteroid after all).

Moon is good for bonding, feeling of belonging. Venus needed for the romance we are all seeking, arenīt we?

Well, people have different emphasis, so it might be that one is enough, but if neither was aspected, no I would not like that.

Also I suspect that oftentimes when there is maybe just one isolated aspect like Moon-square-Sun or Venus-trine-Pluto, the people might nto even be so big about marriage and the likes, but wait until someone comes along turning those into a sparkling closed aspect configuration.

posted December 14, 2015 02:17 PM              

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
That's my name asteroid--closest thing to my name--conjunct his Juno. His name asteroid isn't in there but it's significantly placed in most charts. Dimitri, i have no idea where that came from. Accidental.

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Funny that.

posted December 14, 2015 02:18 PM              

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Originally posted by angel4845:
from the video that Faith posted that i watched twice yesterday, from what i understood alegna David Cochrane compared just the 9th harmonic charts to eachother for synastric analysis. he focused on important geometric symmetries that stood out, and he payed lots of attention to the moon and venus, he was looking for all kind of aspects that would activate Brad Pitt's grand trine and/or his moon and venus to Angelina's moon opposition she had which remarkably did activate.

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posted December 14, 2015 02:19 PM            

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orb for square in harmonic synastry is not more than 2-3 degrees.

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posted December 14, 2015 02:19 PM              

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Wheee, wanna see my irrelevant charts?
What do you think about an exact (well, probably) square from his Mars to my ASC-DSC?

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posted December 14, 2015 02:22 PM              

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
[QUOTE]orb for square in harmonic synastry is not more than 2-3 degrees.

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Actually, no.
Even in the individual harmonic the orb of square would be 4.00 maximum.

However, I might make an exception if it was a Grand Cross or T-square and being part of a midpoint pairing.

Like in Em Gems chart

The Sun-Jupiter-opposition is a tad wide in orb for my taste (while still valid orb, it is on the wide side), but the Moon is clearly in square to both (about 3 degrees) and in fact falling onto the midpoint. So yes, THAT I would consider a major pattern. Definitely.

posted December 14, 2015 02:40 PM            

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posted December 14, 2015 02:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
You`re mixing up apples and oranges here, unless you mean the 9th harmonic composite?

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Oh good. Thanks for answering!

posted December 14, 2015 04:02 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Eeey.. isn't it recommended to ALSO look at the 9th harmonic COMPOSITE? Well, at least I found an exact Sun/Venus conjunction in there. Lol.

Well, in our 9th harmonic synasty it's not so much with Venus except for both having a Venus/Neptune conjunction and his Venus conjunct my Mars by 7 deg (yea I know that's acceptable) and conjunct my Venus by 10 deg.

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posted December 14, 2015 04:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
It has to be calculated manually. I know, bleh.

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posted December 14, 2015 04:12 PM              

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Originally posted by mir:
Eeey.. isn't it recommended to ALSO look at the 9th harmonic COMPOSITE? Well, at least I found an exact Sun/Venus conjunction in there. Lol.

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Cochrane doesn`t do that in that video, but yes, I do keep an eye on the 9th harmonic composite as well, just for seeing major themes on a glance. But it is easy with solar fire.

For example in the harmonic composite of my parents there is an opposition that pretty much dominates the whole image.

Juno 19 Virgo
Pluto 23 Virgo
Sun 24 Virgo

opposing

Neptune 17 Pisces
Saturn 19 Pisces
Jupiter 22 Pisces

posted December 14, 2015 04:14 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
*defeated sigh* I'll report back to this thread in 12 hrs with my findings in that case..

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If you're frequently wanting to do things like this you might want to invest in some good astrology software. You can make a composite chart between harmonics with SolarFire...

posted December 14, 2015 04:28 PM            

His Sun conjunct my North Node
His Venus opposition my Venus, trine my Sun (and opposition my Moon, just over 4 degrees)
My Saturn square his Moon, opposite his Jupiter
My Juno opposite his Saturn
My Jupiter trine his Ceres and Amor (and widely, his Uranus), sextile his Neptune and my Uranus to form a Kite..

The comparison between our charts and the composite is fascinating though; this is just from a glance at the noviles listed...

His North Node conjunct the composite 9th harmonic Venus
His Venus conjunct the 9thcomp Mars
His Ascendant conjunct the North Node
His South Node conjunct the Sun

My Moon conjunct the composite Moon

posted December 14, 2015 04:31 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
*defeated sigh* I'll report back to this thread in 12 hrs with my findings in that case..

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^^

@Ceri

Thank you for keeping up with this thread! I feel bad roping you into it but...well...you know you don't have to answer everything.

More to say in a bit.

posted December 14, 2015 04:33 PM              

"The Navamsa Method as Mohan taught it involves a
sliding scale from 0 to 9, upon which are placed one's planets, major angles, Arabic parts, etc. by a system whereby
everything is rounded off to a single number value. The diagram is drawn in a horizontal fashion:
In order to work with this scale, one needs to know not only the degrees of planets or points, but also their minutes of
arc. The single number value is derived by rounding out the item's degree depending on whether its minutes are
greater or less than 30, and then using only the second digit of the degree for the final placement determination.
Mohan, in fact, used his sliding scale to place the item nearer the single remaining number value to which it most
closely rounded out.
For instance, 1 Capricorn 52 becomes a "2", while 21 Aries 02 becomes a "1".)
Years later, when I picked things up again, I didn't know what to do with these planets/points sliding in-between
numbers. But something inspired me to toy with it. What to do with this??!, I thought. So now I can reduce
everything in a chart to a single number, but then what?!
A brainstorm hit, and I tried using a simpler diagram -- a vertical list of numbers from 0 to 9:
Now, I thought, what happens if I put all the items from one's chart into this diagram, not sliding in-between
numbers, but stationed at whatever value they were rounded out to?"

http://www.wisdompath.com/articles/the_navamsa%20.pdf

I tried it out with my chart, and it seems she uses tropical zodiac (so actually the 9th harmonic really, not the vedic navamsa, which of course would ask for sidereal) and it groups together the dynamic aspects in the 9th harmonic chart (conjunction, opposition, square) at a tight orb - those are the ones ending up having the same value.

Don`t ask me why it works, it just does (must be something about the mathematics and calculation of the 9th harmonic).

as an example:

I take my tropical natal placements and either take the single digit (the second one), or round it, if the minutes are greater than 30.

This can be done with any chart, so composite as well.
For example: composite

Sun: 26°27 = 6
Moon. 22°52 = 3
Venus 16°01 = 6
Mars: 23°08 = 3
Jupiter: 10°41 = 1
Saturn: 21°49 = 2
Uranus: 12°22 = 2
Neptune: 15°12 = 5
Pluto: 15°14 = 5
Node = 20°46 = 1
ASC = 1°19 = 1
MC = 16°38 = 7
Juno = 22°18 = 2
Eros = 14°40 = 5
Psyche = 24°38 = 5
Priapus = 15°27 = 5

So as you can see certain groupings exist:

for example

5:
Neptune
Pluto
Eros
Psyche
Priapus

In fact Eros and Psyche are binovile each other in the natal composite by only 2 minutes of arc.

Anyway if I calculate the actual 9th harmonic composite it looks like this (using solar fire for this)

Neptune: 16 Leo
Pluto: 17 Aquarius

Eros: 17 Scorpio
Psyche: 12 Taurus

(okay, so it is not THAT close, but the theme is clear I think).

the Eros-Psyche-opposition happens also because in each 9th harmonic chart there is a close trine between Eros and Psyche.

posted December 14, 2015 04:37 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
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@Ceri

Thank you for keeping up with this thread! I feel bad roping you into it but...well...you know you don't have to answer everything.

More to say in a bit.

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Faith,

thanks I know that.

And if I skip anybody, donīt be offended. Time is never enough. But for now it intrigues me enough.

Though truth be told, I donīt think the isolated aspectlists mean much, or at least they donīt shed much light, and jumping to the synastry before identifying the relevant patterns in the natal harmonic, seems misleading to me.

posted December 14, 2015 04:49 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
If you're frequently wanting to do things like this you might want to invest in some good astrology software. You can make a composite chart between harmonics with SolarFire...

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posted December 14, 2015 05:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Your Venus 20 Sag
Your Valentine 18 Sag
Your Juno 16 Sag
His Eros 18 Sag
His Venus 18 Sag
His moon 23 Sag

^^ His Mars 16 Aries aspecting some of that
So is his 21 Leo Valentine
And your 19 Libra NN

Your Venus 16 Aqua
His Uranus 17 Aqua

Your Saturn 20 Scorpio
His sun 23 Scorpio
His Jupiter 27 Scorpio
His Juno 18 Scorpio

Well there are plenty of goodies but I don't know what it takes to see (or hear) wedding bells in the future.

Anyone else know?

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Thanks Faith I guess that's where progressions come into it with timing grrrr lol

I thought our mercuries conjunct was pretty interesting too. Great for understanding which is already happening.