posted December 14, 2015 05:32 PM              

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Originally posted by athenaia:
I have a pretty fascinating finding if we're to use David Cochrane's methods which consist of comparing an individual's 9th harmonic with another person's natal chart a la Brad/Angelina.

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posted December 14, 2015 05:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No, he doesn`t do that.
He does compare the two natal charts, and then the two 9th harmonic. He is a bit quick at that part in the video, but if you watch it again, you will see that he refers back to the natal charts, but never does a direct comparision between 9th harmonic chart and natal chart, other than identifying how the aspects of the 9th harmonic appear in natal.

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posted December 14, 2015 05:36 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
I have a pretty fascinating finding if we're to use David Cochrane's methods which consist of comparing an individual's 9th harmonic with another person's natal chart a la Brad/Angelina.

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I've been tempted to make the same comparisons, but if Cochrane mixed natal and 9th in that video, I can't find it.

posted December 14, 2015 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Seems there is a short hand method

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Very cool

So, natal composite with my husband, and values:

Mars 20.30 Cancer -> 1
Juno 20.33 Cancer -> 1
ASC 21.13 Cancer -> 1
Pluto 20.33 Virgo -> 1
Venus 21.25 Libra -> 1
Neptune 21.20 -> 1

posted December 14, 2015 05:51 PM              

Remember the signplacement is found in the natal chart. and then to look at the harmonic chart we blow the natal chart up, multiplying them by the harmonic number and this gives us a more detailed look at the aspects, even the very very hidden ones.

For example a square in the 9th harmonic chart really is a 36th harmonic aspect (in the natal).
and a trine is a 27th harmonic aspect, while the opposition is an 18th harmonic aspect.

posted December 14, 2015 05:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Faith,

thanks I know that.

And if I skip anybody, donīt be offended. Time is never enough. But for now it intrigues me enough.

Though truth be told, I donīt think the isolated aspectlists mean much, or at least they donīt shed much light, and jumping to the synastry before identifying the relevant patterns in the natal harmonic, seems misleading to me.

Though having said that I am also fascinated by how often I have seen the Eros-Psyche conjunction (my parents and my best friend and her hubby have them) as well as Venus-Mars-aspects, usually it seems though her Mars to his Venus curiously enough. Maybe it is just a coincidence, but on this thread alone I have seen it repeatedly. (even though not always as conjunction, but often enough)

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Funny you say that about it being her Mars usually. I wonder why that is. We have my Mars 0 trine his Venus in synastry, maybe that has something to do with it.

posted December 14, 2015 05:54 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
Very cool

So, natal composite with my husband, and values:

Mars 20.30 Cancer -> 1
Juno 20.33 Cancer -> 1
ASC 21.13 Cancer -> 1
Pluto 20.33 Virgo -> 1
Venus 21.25 Libra -> 1
Neptune 21.20 -> 1

These would all aspect each other in 9th Harmonic composite, right? Or perhaps Mars would not be included.

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posted December 14, 2015 06:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
WOW! What a combination! And yes you would do that (maybe Mars is hovering in between).

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posted December 14, 2015 07:18 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Mir, how'd you create the 9th harmonic composite?

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Well, it's pretty easy to find when looking at the TROPICAL Composite.

That Sun/venus conj in our compo 9th harmonic is a Sun/Venus 20-deg aspect in the tropical Compo.

Another Moon/Uranus conj in our compo 9th harmonic is to find as a Moon/Uranus 40-deg aspect in the tropical compo.

Funnily enough in our tropical compo those ^ 2 aspects are also tightly connected; Sun exactly Quincunx Uranus & Moon exactly quincunx Venus (OR: the Sun/Venus midpoint conjunct the Moon/Uranus midpoint). What a pity Todd didn't say a thing about that one ;D

So, look for aspects with a 20/40/80/120/160 deg orb in the tropical Compo. That should be conjunctions in the 9th harmonic composite.

posted December 14, 2015 09:07 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:

Well, it's pretty easy to find when looking at the TROPICAL Composite.

So, look for aspects with a 20/40/80/120/160 deg orb in the tropical Compo. That should be conjunctions in the 9th harmonic composite.

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Mir, well...

posted December 14, 2015 10:56 PM            

But we have to keep the 9th harmonic aspects in the tropical compo verrrrry tight.

A 20/40/80/120/160 aspect of 1 deg is already an orb of 9 deg in the 9th harmonic compo. I'm only looking at orbs within 1 deg. But well indeed, with such an amazing pattern as yours, it might be a little wider.

Btw, we also have a tropical compo Eros/Psyche 40-deg aspect (orb: 0'45) so that's about an Eros/Psyche conj of 6 deg in the 9th harmonic compo.

Well, Ceri is right I guess... Eros/Psyche IS a common thing to get in the 9th harmonic realm! ;D

Btw, I discovered that Neptune is also conjunct our Sun/Venus in the 9th Compo, all within 1 deg.

posted December 15, 2015 01:37 AM              

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Funny you say that about it being her Mars usually. I wonder why that is. We have my Mars 0 trine his Venus in synastry, maybe that has something to do with it.

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posted December 15, 2015 01:48 AM              

"You're lucky to have such a brilliant mother."
Yes. And an equally brilliant father, on a different level though. She is more gut-instinct-emotional-intuitiv, he is more the intellectual-rational type.
However, she can be extremely opinionated, too, quite fixated mentally, but does not quite see herself like this.

"I have sun-Mars-Jupiter...so I guess I would just like to see people happy. 2
You probably would make them happy, actively shaping your environment so that there is a happy vibe. A big dynamic encouraging supporter, which you are indeed.

215.47 Cap sun -> gets a value of 6
16.01 Aries Jupiter -> 6
16.01 Gemini Mars -> 62
Yes showing up as close T-square in your 9th harmonic.

plus Jupiter conjunct Uranus and Sun conjunct Venus (though Venus and Uranus are out of orb for the squares to Sun and Mars, the Venus-Uranus-square is of course very exact)

BTW your Mars is just one degree of my Venus.

Which of course means that my best friend`s husband Mars is also conjunct my Venus - and nope,there was never the expected Mars-Venus-thing between us (not even with his natal Venus also conjunct my Mars).

anyway, in the 9th harmonic I find it interesting to see that despite you being born close to each other, his 9th harmonic Mars is already at 29 Aquarius (so the conjunction to my Venus is 4 degrees, still well within orb, but of course nowwhere as tight as the one to your Mars, plus definitely out of orb for the square to my Sun on 23 Scorpio, which actually is a big major isolated aspect in my 9th harmonic, just SCREAMING for pattern completion. )

posted December 15, 2015 01:57 AM              

"My Mars in strong aspect to sun and Jupiter. Married a Leo, with his sun exactly trine a Sag planet. "
Yes, that definitely works.

my Mars is opposing Mercury on MC closely, with Sun being conjunct MC, too, and still in orb for opposing Mars, though it is on the wide side.

I think that might relate to the actor-thing, somehow, though the Mercury will take precedence due to the closeness.
And of course this is once again an opposition that asks for pattern completion.
Most noteably something on mid Aquarius or mid Leo I guess, though a Cradle or golden REctangle would be certainly possible too, as would a Kite, so I`d also take personal planets on mid Virgo or mid Capricorn or Cancer or Pisces (in 9th harmonic of course).

They`d have to be close in orb though, right around 13-17 degrees.

2By comparison, I think my husband and I impress people as being an odd but well-suited couple. We are crazy in the same particular way.2
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Really adorable,t oo.

"I've had people tell me that no one could have been his wife, except for me. I guess that's the Aqua Venus-Mars."
I wonder if his 9th harmonic is less relationship-oriented and the synastry with yours completes his somehow?

posted December 15, 2015 01:58 AM              

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Originally posted by mir:

So, look for aspects with a 20/40/80/120/160 deg orb in the tropical Compo. That should be conjunctions in the 9th harmonic composite.

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posted December 15, 2015 05:50 AM              

There are two aspect configurations in my 9th harmonic chart.
One with just involving planets; another one which involves an asteroid, too (which I usually would not really count as sole leg of a pattern, just as I donīt count angles nor nodes on their own, unless conjunct a major planet). I do count it in this case as it is a major asteroid.

posted December 15, 2015 07:55 AM              

orbs for harmonic charts if we use Cochranes orbs (Hamblin uses tighter orbs, cutting the conjunction at 12 degrees):

natal harmonic
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conjunction: 16°
opposition: 8°
trine: 5°20
square: 4°00
sextile: 2°40
semisquare/sesissquare: 2°00
quinkunx: 1°20

(the orb is calculated by dividing the orb for conjunction through the number of the harmonic; this way it is made sure the orbs are staying in proportion through all harmonic charts)

For synastry he uses half-the-orb

conjunction: 8°
oppposition. 4°
trine: 2°40
square: 2°00
sextile: 1°20
semisquare/sesisquare: 1°00
quinkunx: 0°40

Of course closer orbs are more insistent.

And something to think about pattern completion

opposition
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- T-square or Grand Cross
- Kite
- Cradle or Golden Rectangle

square
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-Tsquare or Grand Cross
- Thor`s Hammer

trine
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- Grand Trine
- Kite

sextile or quinkunx
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- Yod

semisquare or sesisquare
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- Thor`s Hammer (possibly with release/reflex point)

I imagine there to be more but these are the "usual suspects"

keep also an eye on direct midpoints with an orb of 0°30 and less in the harmonic charts, especially if as a result of an aspectconfiguration (including the stellium)

For example my 9th harmonic has:

Vertex= Sun/Moon 0°24
Mars=Jupiter/Pluto 0°11
Venus = Mars/Juno 0°29
DESC = Saturn/JUno 0°29
Moon= Mars/Pluto 0°11

(I did not consider any which have an angle or node on the right side of the equation)

The Venus=Mars/Juno one is interesting to me, and I wonder if that is (part of) the reason that I was so strongly drawn to a man whose Venus is falling onto my natal Mars/Juno-mp, being the tightest midpoint involving his Venus.
Seems like a literal reflection of my 9th harmonic midpoint

posted December 15, 2015 09:17 AM            

I remember asking about 9th harmonic charts forever ago, but back then i was trying to compare them to the natal rather than pattern completion within the 9th H. Chart itself.

My love's 9th harmonic:

And mine:

The first thing that jumps out at me is my ASC/DSC conjunct his DSC/ASC exact. Meant to be? Why yes yes indeed And I love that his Pallas and Vesta are right there as well

His Sun is trine my Juno/Jupiter conjunction.
What does that conjunction mean, anyway? That i need to be domesticated to be happy? Lol

His Sun also completes yet another kite formation in my 9th for a total of 3, if I'm not mistaken and i could be because I'm sleepy.

I also really like that t-square of my moon and his Neptune/Jupiter if it is to be interpreted as something positive due to its appearance in 9th harmonic charts. The way he described Brad and Angelina's Mars/Uranus and Sun/Pluto make me see our t-square as an abundance of love and understanding with a possible psychic connection to strengthen the bond even deeper.

Most of my planets are out of orb to activate his Venus, but his Venus sits right on the midpoint of my Briede and his Groom asteroids. I thought that was sweet