posted December 15, 2015 09:40 AM              

His Sun really falls at a very very sensitive degree for you in terms of completion. Really beautiful and electric (with Uranus).

Of cuorse you have to complete some patterns for him as well, did you check?

Well yes, you did. lol
The T-square of your Moon to his Jupiter-Neptune is amazingly exact. i agree with your interpretation, along with a lot of idealization going on, it`s quite a glamourous combination, maybe one or both of you expecting a little more than earthly life can really deliver. But it`s such a nice thing having this complete faith and optimism for each other.

posted December 15, 2015 09:55 AM            

Mentally cannot grasp how the tropical composite transforms into 9th harmonic composite. I am a visual learner and perhaps seeing actual charts would help..or maybe not.

Anyway....

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
There are two aspect configurations in my 9th harmonic chart.
One with just involving planets; another one which involves an asteroid, too

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12 Cap Vesta
13 Cap Vertex
10 Libra Jupiter
12 Cancer Uranus

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1 Aries Priapus
1 Cancer NN
0 Libra Chiron

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2 Sag Juno-Saturn
3 Pisces moon
3 Gemini ASC

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6 Taurus Psyche
7 Pisces Valentine
8 Cap Eros

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
And then there are several aspects that "invite" pattern completion?
do you see them?

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23 Scorpio sun
25 Aqua Venus

^^ These two need some friends.

16 Taurus Mars
15 Scorpio Mercury

^^
As you said:

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And of course this is once again an opposition that asks for pattern completion.
Most noteably something on mid Aquarius or mid Leo I guess, though a Cradle or golden REctangle would be certainly possible too, as would a Kite, so I`d also take personal planets on mid Virgo or mid Capricorn or Cancer or Pisces (in 9th harmonic of course).

They`d have to be close in orb though, right around 13-17 degrees.

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posted December 15, 2015 09:58 AM            

My Pluto opposes his mars, and its trine his moon, but the trine to his Venus is too wide.. But my Pluto is there, activating MOST of that kite. That seems to be it, though.

posted December 15, 2015 10:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

Did a post just disappear?

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Ehhh, it was me.
Thanks, Ceri. I think I could do what you mentioned.

Is Moon conjunct Mars under 1 a good thing to have in a 9h composite?

posted December 15, 2015 10:33 AM            

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Originally posted by LionFish:
I love this thread, Faith!!

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posted December 15, 2015 10:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Wait. Does Mr. Sag have a new nickname?

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Mr Sag?

What Mr Sag?

Do we know a Mr Sag....???

posted December 15, 2015 10:45 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Edit. Lost track of what I wanted to say.

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Was it a math thing?

posted December 15, 2015 11:22 AM              

"12 Cap Vesta
13 Cap Vertex
10 Libra Jupiter
12 Cancer Uranus"
Yes that one.

"2 Sag Juno-Saturn
3 Pisces moon
3 Gemini ASC"
This one intrigues me a lot. I wouldn`t consider it a complete aspectconfiguration, but it IS a major aspect.
Something on 3 Gemini and/ or 3 Virgo would complete it.
3 Gemini might be even stronger, as whatever falls there would be emphasized due to my angle there.

"6 Taurus Psyche
7 Pisces Valentine
8 Cap Eros"
Well for the pattern completion I try to not focus too much on asteroids, cause something will always come up. However it is of course interesting to note that Valentine falls onto the Eros/Psyche-mp, and anything on 7 Virgo would complete a Kite with that, even though it`s just asteroids, well, they are quite romantic asteroids. lol

"23 Scorpio sun
25 Aqua Venus

^^ These two need some friends. "
Yes. ABSOLUTELY. It`s a potentially strongly romantic aspect. At least I do have the ability to fall in love.
Without a third planet however it is somehow "stuck", so it needs something (with something I mainly mean personal planets btw) on about 25 Leo and/ or Taurus (plus minus 2 degrees)

Actually there could also be something on about 8 Cancer making the focal point of a Thor`s Hammer, and of course it means that this is (activating) the Sun/Venus-mp (9°16 Capricorn).

Seriously though with

Jupiter = Uranus/EROS 0°21
EROS = Sun/Venus 0°21
VALENTINE = EROS/PSYCHE 0°18

plus EROS conjunct VESTA and NN

it seems a little unlikely that any committed relationship of mine could be devoid the erotic dimension. Doesn`t look exactly spiritual and platonic.

"16 Taurus Mars
15 Scorpio Mercury

^^
As you said:

Do you know anyone with these degrees in their 9th Harmonic?"

Not main planets.

But Mr Sag`s EROS is on 15 Virgo, and his PSYCHE On 16 Taurus falls onto my Mars. so that would be a Point of Thales, his Eros being on the sextile/trine corner of that opposition in my chart.

BTW my colleague (who entertained us once again today by bringing his guitar and singing christmas carols in the teacher`s room. i swear it everytime I come into the room and he does that, the sun shines brighter, even in winter. lol Of course I just love the serenity that this kind of singing and music brings, in the middle of a work day it is most welcome).

Anyway so he does not complete this pattern for me, but definitely activates it by overlaying the opposition, as in 9th harmonic he has

Jupiter 16 Scorpio
Neptune 12 Scorpio

Sun 12 Taurus
Saturn 16 Taurus

REally NO WONDER AT ALL, he is a trained operasinger. Neptune for the musical talent, Saturn for the structured classical genre. lol

Anyway I was also wondering...
Since Mars at least partially represents the man that might make my heart beat a little faster, and here in my chart it is clear that Mercury plays such a role in it, wouldn`t it make sense that any man I find attractive or somehow fitting for that pattern, would have synastric aspects of his Mercury to relevant bits in my chart?

posted December 15, 2015 11:23 AM              

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Ehhh, it was me.
Thanks, Ceri. I think I could do what you mentioned.

Is Moon conjunct Mars under 1 a good thing to have in a 9h composite?

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posted December 15, 2015 11:26 AM              

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Originally posted by LionFish:
Lol I did, but you asking made me go back and look again.

My Pluto opposes his mars, and its trine his moon, but the trine to his Venus is too wide.. But my Pluto is thereahe activating MOST of that kite. That seems to be it, though.

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It`s good that you have that, I saw it, too. Hhe has such a deep intense 9th harmonic configuration, I doubt that anyone who does NOT activate it would ever be enough for him.

It`s true you donīt aspect his Venus, I think that shows that the emphasis is more on the Moon-Pluto. It`s kind of a deeper emotional soulful thing, not simply romance.

posted December 15, 2015 11:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Was it a math thing?

Yeah, you and me both....

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posted December 15, 2015 11:29 AM            

Can individual harmonics be compared with the harmonic composite?

posted December 15, 2015 11:40 AM              

HAHA

"Could it also mean you're happy speaking in front of people? Or born to do that?"
Yes. Of course it is MY chart. I may be attracted to that quality in others, but possibly also in the sense of them inspiring me to do what makes me happy anyway.

Now you would relaly have to drag me screaming and biting and fighting or with deadly stubborn selfdefensive motionlessness onto a stage (ask Mr Sag, he can tell you what I mean. He`s had to make that experience more than once with me. ), but the thing is once I am there, on the spot, and HAVE to respond or react, I usually do.
Which probably is why my best friend used to simply just put a micro into my hand telling me to introduce her dancegroup on several street-events, and not warning me before, hence not giving me any time to back out of it.
If I don`t have a choice or chance, I ususally use it spendidly.

"ell he has moon conjunct Mars in Scorpio and a dude like that HAS to have a relationship right? "
Not necessarily. He could be completely content doing (Mars) whatever pleases his own being (Moon).
Of course he would be enthusiastic aobut what he does, but he does not necessarily need a woman for this.

"I think this minor triangle is self-sufficient?

16 Cap Mercury
19 Scorpio moon
19 Virgo Jupiter"
Yes, I could imagine it to be.

You have something on 19 Scorpio or Taurus?

BINGO! Sun on 22 Taurus (not only you DO complete me. ) but more so you complete your husband, with that sparkling Sun-Moon-opposition forming the inverted minor triangle to an externally-directed Kite, pointing at his Moon of course.

"Oh God, I DO need her!" he realized with sudden shock, and fitting to his Moon-Mars pursued you very energetically.
Or something similiar like this I could imagine.

"But of course his perfect princess would have something in 16-19 Taurus to convert that into a kite"
22 Taurus is totally okay as orb for the opposition.
and your Mercury on 15 Scorpio back the whole thing up, 15-22 degrees, the midpoint falling onto which degree? Is it 18-19 degree?

"I'm afraid my husband would prefer you to me, what with your 9th Harmonic sun-moon conjunction with him, your Venus-Venus conjunction, and your Mars. "
We do have that? LOL
But I thnk that is where the completion-thing comes in maybe. and free will.

"I'm lengthening to deter people from reading it."
And once again your attempt bombed.

posted December 15, 2015 11:42 AM              

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Originally posted by DopGang:
It's a brand new world full of possibilities!!!

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LOVE IT

posted December 15, 2015 12:22 PM              

I do have 2 complete configurations.

1. Hammer of Thor
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Jupiter 10 Libra
Uranus 12 Cancer
Venus 25 Aquarius

Jupiter squares Uranus and both sesisquare Venus. This pattern is not totally exact (the Venus-Uranus is just under 2 degree orb I thin).

Of course it means that Venus is on the Jupiter/Uranus-mp, or opposing it, even though not with exact orb.

However even though this is a complete pattern of its own, it is a relatively open one, as all patterns with one focal planet or one apex, tend to gravitate to the opposing end. which would give the whole pattern more stability.

This means here in this case it would be something on 25-26 LEO (with certain orb of course).

2. T-square
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Vesta-Eros-Vertex opposing Uranus and square Jupiter

another complete pattern, but also with that gravitational pull towards the opposing end of the focal planet, which would mean something on 10 ARIES.

Interestingly the Jupiter-Uranus-square becomes part of BOTH patterns. Certainly tells me something about myself. lol

Freedom, independence, fun is certainly important here. In a funny way it might even signify my political leanings (nah, you wonīt find me in the right wing-sphere of the universe. )

Venus conjunct Jupiter/Uranus, as it happens here (with Thor`s Hammer) also is one of the most exact direct midpoints in my natal chart.
It always surprises me, cause i don`t consider myself being an entertaining figure as that midpoint picture would describe (I do have of course some other pictures, too, like MC= Mercury/Saturn).

Nevertheless it just shines through the harmonics I guess, the Jupiter-Uranus-theme in terms of romantic things as well (be it tied to Venus or Eros).

Of course with Vesta also pulled in, having fun is really a serious sacredthing.

posted December 15, 2015 12:28 PM              

1. Venus square Sun
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° T-square / Grand Cross: 24 TAURUS or 24 LEO
° Thor`s Hammer: 9 CANCER

2. Venus trine Neptune: 4°24
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° Grand Trine: 27 LIBRA

Well this one is VERY wide, so the other planet would have to be literally onto 27 Libra exact, to pull both closer together

3. Juno - Saturn-DESC square Moon
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° T-square/Grand Cross: 3 GEMINI, 3 VIRGO
° THors Hammer: 17 CANCER

This one is extremely important I think, as it falls onto the DESC and also involves Moon and Juno, two symbols of relating (in different ways), so Id think this would be definitely relationship-oriented.

4. Mercury-(Sun)-MC opposite Mars-IC
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° T-square/Grand Cross: 15-16 AQUARIUS or LEO
° Kite/Cradle etc.: 15 CAP/VIRGO/CANCER/PISCES

5. Eros trine Psyche
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° Grand trine: 7 VIRGO

posted December 15, 2015 12:57 PM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It would mean that the people in question have Moon conjunct/novile/binovile/trine/quadranovile Moon at close to exact orb in their synastry.
Yes, of course it would mean something. Good chances of feelings of emotional belonging, however you need to check how the Moons are integrated in the 9th harmonic charts, individually and synastrically.

orbs for harmonic charts if we use Cochranes orbs (Hamblin uses tighter orbs, cutting the conjunction at 12 degrees):

natal harmonic
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conjunction: 16°
opposition: 8°
trine: 5°20
square: 4°00
sextile: 2°40
semisquare/sesissquare: 2°00
quinkunx: 1°20

(the orb is calculated by dividing the orb for conjunction through the number of the harmonic; this way it is made sure the orbs are staying in proportion through all harmonic charts)

For synastry he uses half-the-orb

conjunction: 8°
oppposition. 4°
trine: 2°40
square: 2°00
sextile: 1°20
semisquare/sesisquare: 1°00
quinkunx: 0°40

Of course closer orbs are more insistent.

And something to think about pattern completion

opposition
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- T-square or Grand Cross
- Kite
- Cradle or Golden Rectangle

square
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-Tsquare or Grand Cross
- Thor`s Hammer

trine
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- Grand Trine
- Kite

sextile or quinkunx

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posted December 15, 2015 01:07 PM            

Well, I'm looking for free software now to calculate Harmonic Composites.
I asked an expert and he adviced me to look at some software programs on his website. Right now he has no time to help me with that (holidays). So I will do it myself but if anyone knows about such program???

posted December 15, 2015 01:33 PM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Spongebob,

the "square" is probably close to 80°?
That would be a binovile.

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