posted December 19, 2015 05:47 AM              

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Originally posted by DopGang:
This is why I'll probably never be a professional astrologer.

I have the patience of a kitten.

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posted December 19, 2015 08:41 AM            

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seriously though I find the 4th harmonic image pretty striking

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That is cool...

I want to start a whole new thread in Astro 2.0 talking about harmonic charts but I know myself, I'd go on and on, wanting to discuss at least my first 36 Harmonics...and everyone else's. And it would be overwhelming.

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my 8th
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"Mystical triangle:
Moon, Juno, Ceres, mean Lilith (31%)

LOL, all the mature feminine archetypes gathered.

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Isn't that fabulous?

My 8th harmonic has Leo sun-Jupiter trine Sag Saturn-Mars. Curiously the degrees overlap my husband's Leo sun trine Sag Saturn.

posted December 19, 2015 09:00 AM              

SEriously though once it exceeds a certain number, I am getting mentally restless and exhausted and it starts feeling "uncomfortable", like falling oout of "resonance".

So far the lower harmonics resonate quite loudly, and esp. the 4th and 8th interest me for now. I mean if they highlight our inner drives, motivations and what comes to manifestation?

For example:

the 8th harmonic composite of my parents has a Grand trine of

Mars 2 Virgo
Sun 5 Capricorn
Pluto 4 Taurus

I wonder what trines mean in the 8th harmonic. Harmony/ ease/flowing energy of the drives or in relation to some tension?

Of course those would relate back to the natal aspect of the 24th harmonic (8x3). However the 24th harmonic is the series the quindecile stems from, too.
An aspect Noel Tyl and others payed a lot of attention to, he defined him as: " “quindecile is an aspect of unrelenting motivation, obsession, determination, upheaval, disruption, even separation.” " http://www.hniizato.com/exploring-quindecile-aspect/

(I believe separation in this context does not so much relate to a break-up, but more so of a breaking-up of previous conditions and leading into change)

Ricky Reeves defined it:
"that there is a compulsive feeling of “whatever it takes” to fulfill one’s motivation."

Cochrane puts it like this:
"Overall, the 24th
harmonic aspects indicate resources available to the person;
they represent characteristics and qualities that can be used
to achieve goals, although the 11/24 aspect does make some
pressing demands of the person more than other 24th harmonic
aspects."

the 11/24th would relate to the 165° angle, that the others referred to.

I wonder if the trines in an 8th harmonic chart might relate to the actions undertaken that will bring the desired results of that inner drive and motivation (Cochranes interpretation of the 8th harmonic) into manifestation?

Are those the aspects that indicate what will - most likely- HAPPEN or what will MANIFEST?

For my parents, Sun-Mars-Pluto is pretty much spot on (along with other more softer energies they have), they are a power-couple, in the sense that they are stronger together and able to transform not only themselves but others as well.

posted December 19, 2015 02:58 PM            

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Lol me too. I'm too excited, if not about the amazing hits from the 9th harmonic compo to each natal 9th (!) then about these new (dutch) MIRROR POINTS. Ceri would love that also. But I'm afraid this is not part of Solar Fire, namely it's too "dutch" and I can only find one website about it in an for-all understandable language.

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posted December 20, 2015 01:17 PM            

I read some of you are using my planetdance.
If you have questions, please ask.

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Hi, Jean. Is there a chance you could provide us with English-language material on mirror points?

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posted December 21, 2015 05:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Damn, so I can't even comfortably complain about this program now?

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posted December 21, 2015 07:30 AM            

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This mirrors the 10 planets around the 15th degree of their ruled sign and all houses around the 0th degree of their corresponding sign. Method Jan de Jong.
Multiple rulership is not taken into account yet.
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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Hi, Jean. Is there a chance you could provide us with English-language material on mirror points?

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posted December 21, 2016 08:20 PM            

Maybe someone will click here and see this, or maybe it's another topic for another day.

Question is:

Has anyone noticed peculiar links between the 9th Harmonic chart and the draconic chart? I know that sounds random, but...

15 Cap, my sun
15 Cap, my 9th harmonic Pluto
18 Cap, college boyfriend's draconic Pluto
13 Cap, husband's draconic Pluto

posted December 21, 2016 11:57 PM              

Have to go to work, but will check later, that is of course an impressive line up, esp. with Tr Pluto wehre it is now

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posted December 22, 2016 10:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Just woke up. Hello.

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Hiya

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Have to go to work, but will check later, that is of course an impressive line up, esp. with Tr Pluto wehre it is now

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Yes, thank you, I thought so, too.

I started dating my college boyfriend at 18. We were on/off for four years, but mostly on. A few months after I broke up with him the last time, I got together with my husband. So for the vast majority of my adult life, I've been with guys whose draconic Pluto is conjunct my sun and 9th harmonic Pluto. It wouldn't be quite so weird if I dated around more and was just talking about random men who clicked with me. But by far, I have spent more time with these two guys than anyone else.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Oh and just realize my 9th harmonic SN is on 1 Cap.

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I THOUGHT I saw that as I was skimming through this thread last night! How funny that our 9th nodal axes are conjunct/reversed! And we just learn this now, with tr sun there. When we should have caught it before.

Life, you are amusing.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Interestingly P`s 9th Venus is conjunct his Dr Venus and his 9th Mars is conjunct his Dr Mars. lol

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Ugh I wish I could figure out WHY, mathematically or conceptually.

My 9th sun 22 Taurus conjunct draco sun 25 Taurus. Don't know why.

*research*

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Now I'll explain how the 9th harmonic chart is determined. It is very complicated, so I do not recommend reading this paragraph unless you must know how the calculations are done. For each sign, the first ninth of that sign is made to equal the 30 degrees of the cardinal sign of that element. So the first ninth (three degrees and twenty minutes) of Aries, Leo, and Sag, represents the thirty degrees of Aries. Then the next ninth is Taurus, etc. etc. The first ninth of Gemini, Libra, or Aquarius, represents the first thirty degrees of Libra. So a planet in the first three degrees and twenty minutes of Aquarius, would be in Libra in the 9th harmonic chart. A planet in the second ninth (between 3.20 and 6.40) of Aquarius would be in Scorpio in the 9th harmonic chart. In this way, all of pieces of the chart are redistributed. Other harmonics have different rules, but the above is the method for determining the 9th harmonic.

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So the first ninth of Cap is 9th Cap.
Second ninth: 3.20 -> 6.40 Cap is 9th Aqua.
Third: 6.40 -> 10.00 Cap is 9th Pisces.
Fourth: 10 -> 13.20 Cap is 9th Aries.
Fifth: 13.20 -> 17.00 Cap is 9th Taurus.

And that's where I am.

I guess there is no draco connection, though...just a coincidence?

Well my sun is 55.47° from my NN, that's about a novile and a third, or less than two noviles.
So:

0 - 1 noviles = draconic Aries - 10 Taurus
1 - 2 noviles = draconic 10 Taurus - 20 Gemini
2 - 3 noviles = draconic 20 Gemini - 0 Leo

? Something like that I guess.

55.47 divided by 3.20 = 17.33, almost in the Taurus "ninth" of Capicorn...

But wait, 30 divided by 9 is actually 3.33.

So the article was wrong, I guess?

0-3.33 earth sign -> Cap
3.33 - 7.06 -> Aqua
7.06 - 10.39 -> Pisces
10.39 - 14.09 -> Aries
14.09 - 17.42 -> Taurus

55.47 divided by 3.33 = 16.65 or 17.05°, so it falls into that Taurus zone.

But I'm confused now about why I even did this.

posted December 23, 2016 10:09 AM            

Now I just have to figure out what happens when you get to the ninth ninth, and there are still three more signs to go. Maybe there just AREN'T three more signs to go...maybe each 9th harmonic planet falls within a nine-sign range. (?)