posted August 10, 2016 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
So, in this case, when you see Nessus and you see Venus, Nessus will be the abuser of the Venus.

The square puts the nessus underground and stuck, which is not good, because when it erupts, it could be a lot worse lol

I mean the Nessus square the Venus

I kind of wrote an article on this, but I should write more, if people are interested.

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posted August 10, 2016 01:26 PM            

Here is the thing. The chart represents all the PARTS of the human being--the shades, the subtle things--ALL of them

Is a human 100% good?

Is there a part of our nature that wants what it wants and screw everyone else?

Is there a sadistic slice of our nature?

No one who reads literature could say that people are 100% good.

Hence, something in the chart has to represent the abusive nature in man.

It is Nessus..

Everyone has a Nessus but we don't all feel the same compulsion to use it.

That is the difference in a Nessus conj an ASC and one that does nothing( touches nothing personal in the chart)

They have the compulsion to abuse.

Can they overcome it?

Not by New Age BS lol

They can through a true and transforming relationship with Jesus because then the "old man" is changed and the person is new.

That is my opinion and my experience after doing 1000s of charts over 7 years

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posted August 10, 2016 01:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Lucia

I will take your question and write an article for you and other people who have the same question because someone else asked me the same thing.

I am just gonna take it off here, without your name and put it on my website and write an article on it.

Is that OK?

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Okay.

posted August 10, 2016 01:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]I mentioned another side because I was taught that all planetary energy has both good and bad. And that transits to this can bring about different reactions so to speak. Maybe that is not the case with certain asteroids then? Idk.

Here is the thing. The chart represents all the PARTS of the human being--the shades, the subtle things--ALL of them

Is a human 100% good?

Is there a part of our nature that wants what it wants and screw everyone else?

Is there a sadistic slice of our nature?

No one who reads literature could say that people are 100% good.

Hence, something in the chart has to represent the abusive nature in man.

It is Nessus..

Everyone has a Nessus but we don't all feel the same compulsion to use it.

That is the difference in a Nessus conj an ASC and one that does nothing( touches nothing personal in the chart)

They have the compulsion to abuse.

Can they overcome it?

Not by New Age BS lol

They can through a true and transforming relationship with Jesus because then the "old man" is changed and the person is new.

That is my opinion and my experience after doing 1000s of charts over 7 years

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So whether we agree or disagree on the form or method of manifesting the chart in a higher-vibe way and more constructively---whether "new age bs" or Christianity or some other religion or some other method---you are saying that certain practices a person adopts can allow them to overcome a compulsion to abuse, even if that compulsion is explicit in (certain interpretations of) their natal or a synastry.

posted August 10, 2016 01:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Nessus is a distraction. No asteroid is enough to explain everything, just as no one planet is enough, or can make a synastry good or bad. Besides, planets are the core energies that relate to the columnar human chakra system (and glands) which generate our emotive/expressive energies.

This synastry is mostly negative (not counting Asc of MC of either chart since they would need to be verified first).

I count 21 negative synastry aspects and only 15 positives. There are two aspect clusters that are potential deal-breakers:

- Your Venus square his Mars-Saturn-Pluto!
No one should go into a relationship with that synastry factor unless you want to 'sample' a bit of hell.

- Your Saturn contra-parallel (CP) his Jupiter-Uranus-Neptune. This one understandably escapes notice for those not trained in looking at declinations.

Below is my summary of this synastry.

Lucia23 approx natal with his:

Sun 21LEO46 - 14N15 13Ari - 5N07
Moo 11CAN40 - 20N51 20Sag - 22S23
Mer 19LEO08 - 16N43 21Ari - 8N17
Ven 29CAN58 - 20N29 18Tau - 17N56
Mar 11VIR34 - 8N09 28Ari - 10N41
Jup 15PIS37 - 6S58 10SAG52 - 21S10
Sat 13CAN58 - 22N11 2SCO30 - 9S42
Ura 24LIB29 - 8S59 8SAG56 - 21S42
Nep 6SAG51 - 19S53 29SAG14 - 22S12
Plu 5LIB03 - 12N57 28LIB34 - 5N27
Nod 17SAG20 - 22S51 28Gem06 - 23N26
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Aspects:
her sun trine his moon +
............ sq his ven +
her moon sq his sun (-)
.............. qnx his jup +
her moon CP his jup ++
her mer trine his moon, mer ++
her ven sq his mars, sat, plu = (-/-/-)X
........... qnx his nep (-)
........... cp his jup +
her mars qnx his sun (-)
............... sq his Jup-Ura (-/-)
................ P his Mer (-)
her jup sex his ven +
her sat sq his sun (-)
........... sex his ven +
........... CP his moon (-)
............ CP his jup-ura-nep (-/-/-)X
her ura sex his moon (?/-)
........... opp his mer, mars (-/-)
............<4°05'> his pluto (-)
............ CP his mer (-)
............. P his sat (-)
her nep <4°> his jup +
her n.nod conj/P his moon +
............... trine his sun-mer ++
............... qnx his ven (-)
.............. P his nep (-)f
............. P his s.nod +

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Thank you!! I don't know how to read parallels/counter parallels, and your interpretation of mine and how they play out natally is VERY accurate, I think.

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posted August 10, 2016 04:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]I mentioned another side because I was taught that all planetary energy has both good and bad. And that transits to this can bring about different reactions so to speak. Maybe that is not the case with certain asteroids then? Idk.

Here is the thing. The chart represents all the PARTS of the human being--the shades, the subtle things--ALL of them

Is a human 100% good?

Is there a part of our nature that wants what it wants and screw everyone else?

Is there a sadistic slice of our nature?

No one who reads literature could say that people are 100% good.

Hence, something in the chart has to represent the abusive nature in man.

It is Nessus..

Everyone has a Nessus but we don't all feel the same compulsion to use it.

That is the difference in a Nessus conj an ASC and one that does nothing( touches nothing personal in the chart)

They have the compulsion to abuse.

Can they overcome it?

Not by New Age BS lol

They can through a true and transforming relationship with Jesus because then the "old man" is changed and the person is new.

That is my opinion and my experience after doing 1000s of charts over 7 years

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posted August 10, 2016 04:55 PM            

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Originally posted by llewsacm:
I think it cam be overcome with whatever strength someone decides to use. I dont even know what you mean by new age bs.

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This stuff is so philosophically complicated, isn't it??

Beyond whether it can be overcome with whatever strength someone uses, there's the whole question of whether 100% of people experience each aspect the same way. I see charts as maps, not the actual universe. Even if the maps are accurate--they show a bend in the road, say---a bend in the road in Timbuktu feels different than a bend in the road in Peora, a bend in the road in the deep woods or mountains feels different from a bend in the road in the center of the deepest part of the Indian Ocean. Some people think that astrology can accurately map the entire human universe, but even then!!!!! Even if that were true, it would still be full of philosophical quagmires.

Like, say you are two years old, have never been abused, and your natal chart or your synastry with your dad (who has never been abuser/abused) is full of abuse markers?? You can't lift yourself up by embracing some deity or "the universe" or whatever, because, you know, you're TWO. So does that mean if your parents embrace some particular religion, you won't get abused? What if the abuse synastry is with your teacher?

My old beliefs were:
-there are many ways each planet or aspect can manifest, and many different levels.
-our attitudes DO shape our reality, but only to a certain extent---some of the "new age BS" AND the "embracing Jesus so you will be lifted up" stuff implies that people have more agency in their illnesses, victimization, etc than we really do
-especially two-year-olds!
-But it's also not completely or simplistically fated. Otherwise astrology would be a hell of a lot MORE accurate

So it all comes down to what feels useful and uplifting, I guess. I was drawn back to astrology because the highly negative readings of this synastry were so accurate, years ago-----but readings of my synastry with my earlier ex, who I was with for 14 year so, weren't all that accurate. I'vr had problems in my relationships that I think show up clearly in my natal, but the problems in this relationship break with my pattern----I never found out about a man I loved lying to me or betraying me before, am 99% sure none of them did, with the 1% doubt being because I'm supposed to look for patterns here.

But this thing blindsided me!

posted August 10, 2016 06:51 PM            

I know what you mean. I've read where some aspects are the kiss of death and then in the same post, someone stating their mom/dad, grandma/grandpa had the aspect and are very much in love.

I do think it is personal, and can become closer to precise if one looks at their own natal make-up. But it is still difficult! Especially when you start analyzing your natal chart with a husband or your child.

posted August 10, 2016 07:29 PM            

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Originally posted by llewsacm:
Well dear Lucia, if astrology was concrete and fit together like a nice little puzzle in the same way for everyone, we wouldn't have all this healthy debate here now would we? Lol!

I know what you mean. I've read where some aspects are the kiss of death and then in the same post, someone stating their mom/dad, grandma/grandpa had the aspect and are very much in love.

I do think it is personal, and can become closer to precise if one looks at their own natal make-up. But it is still difficult! Especially when you start analyzing your natal chart with a husband or your child.

When you mentioned something about your support group, surviving infidelity, you were speaking of a resource that has helped you find strength, right? So there are many different resources but we need to make them our own, you know? What works for me may not fit your ideal. We can turn towards religion, exercise, meditation or even submerge ourselves in our work to help cope with whatever is taking away from our true selves.

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It's one of the interesting things about having mental/emotional health problems--the things you try that are supposed to work and make you feel better that don't make you feel better.

A lot of the things I do right now for my health (exercise type things), I resent having to do, because I need like 7 million hours to read, write and sleep.

posted August 13, 2016 02:33 PM            

But the thing is, when my ex has come around and said that he loves me and wants to give things another try, my misery has lifted and I've felt really happy and more optimistic and it really has felt less like everything is wrong, and more like things will be okay. I don't know why I feel that way.

It would help if I had any good sources of irl support. I don't right now.

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posted August 13, 2016 04:48 PM            

your Saturn squares his Sun, have you thought how YOU might affect him ? The typical interpretation of this synastrical aspect is that the Saturn person squashes the life energy out of the Sun person (him).
maybe you two do this to each other as his Saturn squares your Venus. Its like - you criticize his central core value system (his Sun) and he lashes out and takes it on your love and femininity ( venus).

posted August 13, 2016 06:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
E mail me, if you want to talk more, L xoxoxo

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posted August 13, 2016 06:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
The transiting Venus-Saturn square is making everyone a little grumpy and dissatisfied with how we look, I think.

Hang in there Lucia Better times ahead.

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posted August 13, 2016 06:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Lucia,

your Saturn squares his Sun, have you thought how YOU might affect him ? The typical interpretation of this synastrical aspect is that the Saturn person squashes the life energy out of the Sun person (him).
maybe you two do this to each other as his Saturn squares your Venus. Its like - you criticize his central core value system (his Sun) and he lashes out and takes it on your love and femininity ( venus).

Also, your Saturn opposes his ASC, this is a very harsh aspect and usually its blamed on Saturn for bringing down the ASC person.
I think both of you love each other but you cannot find a way to each other's hearts after so much pain that you both caused to one another. It's mutual.

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This is a good point, Orange.

In my most serious relationship (we were together 14 years), we had a big pile-up of Saturn squares. Maybe because it's my chart ruler and conjunct my Moon? It's like the Saturn energy is necessary for the relationship to feel serious enough for me? I've had harsh Saturn aspects in all my romantic relationships, close family relationships and many of my friendships. Or maybe it's that I'm not comfortable with my Cancer energy, so my boyfriends are all Aries, Libras and Geminis who please my Leo Sun-Mercury, but square my Moon-Saturn-Venus.

posted August 16, 2016 12:54 PM            

One of the things that's been so shocking to me in this relationship/synastry is that I'm normally not a person who gets treated like garbage. I have lots of flaws, but also lots of mojo. I'm normally esteemed and treated well. When I'm happy and relaxed, especially, I'm good at good-Leo skills and I'm used to attracting very nice treatment. Even just little things, like people who work at bakeries or restaurants are always trying to give me free treats--I'm good at seeing people's inner movie star.

So the levels where my Aries ex isn't into me, and WANTS to ignore me, and is okay not being alone with me are kind of shocking to me, because I AM (or was?) used to being sought after. And when he does come around with his eyes welling up, trying to make out with me and saying he still loves me and feels tormented, it feels so much more like i'm ME again and like this is my real life, again-----I think that's a lot of why I feel so much better and lighter and more "up" when he wants to reopen a romantic door. Not just residual intense feelings for him, but because it feels a lot more natural to me to have people in general value me in that way. And it feels really WRONG to be powerless--to have him willfully not get where I'm coming from, to have him genuinely feel indifference about losing me.

posted August 16, 2016 01:53 PM            

One of the things that's been so shocking to me in this relationship/synastry is that I'm normally not a person who gets treated like garbage. I have lots of flaws, but also lots of mojo. I'm normally esteemed and treated well. When I'm happy and relaxed, especially, I'm good at good-Leo skills and I'm used to attracting very nice treatment. Even just little things, like people who work at bakeries or restaurants are always trying to give me free treats--I'm good at seeing people's inner movie star.

So the levels where my Aries ex isn't into me, and WANTS to ignore me, and is okay not being alone with me are kind of shocking to me, because I AM (or was?) used to being sought after. And when he does come around with his eyes welling up, trying to make out with me and saying he still loves me and feels tormented, it feels so much more like i'm ME again and like this is my real life, again-----I think that's a lot of why I feel so much better and lighter and more "up" when he wants to reopen a romantic door. Not just residual intense feelings for him, but because it feels a lot more natural to me to have people in general value me in that way. And it feels really WRONG to be powerless--to have him willfully not get where I'm coming from, to have him genuinely feel indifference about losing me.