posted January 03, 2023 11:55 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Hey...

no worries at all. It's fascinating.

Thanks again for the feedback, and the context.

I never look at people's age. What is the age difference?

His Venus is right on your Descendent. If your TOB are correct... which, usually they are not.

The irk might be the warning that is necessary: I reckon take this one slow. Because Jupiter is tempting you in with hope and Jupiter is about fools rushing in.

But, there are some weird bits, it's true. And they may be too weird, and may prevent moving forward (depending on how good looking you both are, lol):

Marses conjunct (always weird).
His node is in your 12H house. I speculate this could be irksome.
While your Venuses are quite linked, both of your Venuses are on your own SNs.
His SN on his Mars - exact.
His SN on his Mars, and conjunct your Mars..WHICH is at the apex of your yod (boom, boom, boom - this will be a big weird).
His Mars and Venus tied up with SN, Jupiter, Neptune, Uranus - could mean that sex is a large focus in his life and he enjoys the seduction process and sleeping with many.... you may feel like he's coming for you next.

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Hmm, so when I first met him I actually got the ick - which I usually do with men who have issues with sex. Which happens a lot in recovery…

I’m not necessarily out looking for a relationship or anything; but if the opportunity presents itself for something special or at least for some mutual engagement and trust I’d be open to it. With him I don’t think it feels like anything super special…

posted January 04, 2023 12:09 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
girlwiththerainysoul,

yes, I totally agree. Reading charts is tricky. Including ethically, when people who come for readings are possibly in a vulnerable or impressionable state.

Re your teacher, I'm sorry, I was not referring to "your teacher" specifically.

But more the trouble with theoretical models, generally.

Sorry, I didn't make that clear

Do you have anything else to say about the synastry here? I for one would be interested in another's perspective. It's quite an interesting dynamic here.

What some people call karmic? I suspect so, as the nodes are heavily involved.

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I agree with you, the current western astrological models and methods have a lot of place for more work and research to be done. In fact I always find myself struggling to find the right answer. My teacher along with big astrology names have taught me what I know so far, and I think it is still a far goal for me to develop my own method and not speak out of influence.

posted January 04, 2023 12:16 AM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
I agree with you, the current western astrological models and methods have a lot of place for more work and research to be done. In fact I always find myself struggling to find the right answer. My teacher along with big astrology names have taught me what I know so far, and I think it is still a far goal for me to develop my own method and not speak out of influence.

I believe I did give her my opinion, but I look forward to seeing how it goes, and if the composite will start giving good results and if those effects will nullify the synastry.

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posted January 04, 2023 10:20 AM            

Relevant because:
It's not just his Venus, lol
It's 7H (bang)
Because it's your Mars (that's a bang right there)
Because yod
Because it's setting off your T-square, that includes Pluto - Pluto square Venus and Mars is the icky - 100%

And, lol, his SN and Mars are involved too.. your Mars is sandwiched between his Mars/SN and Venus (= midpoint)

Unless someone has a more logical proposition

posted January 04, 2023 06:42 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
I'll go out on a limb and say that it's his Venus on your Mars (not NN).

Relevant because:
It's not just his Venus, lol
It's 7H (bang)
Because it's your Mars (that's a bang right there)
Because yod
Because it's setting off your T-square, that includes Pluto - Pluto square Venus and Mars is the icky - 100%

And, lol, his SN and Mars are involved too.. your Mars is sandwiched between his Mars/SN and Venus (= midpoint)

Unless someone has a more logical proposition

This is full-on and I would like to start taking bets on this. With your permission of course.

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posted January 04, 2023 06:46 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Hey...

no worries at all. It's fascinating.

Thanks again for the feedback, and the context.

I never look at people's age. What is the age difference?

His Venus is right on your Descendent. If your TOB are correct... which, usually they are not.

The irk might be the warning that is necessary: I reckon take this one slow. Because Jupiter is tempting you in with hope and Jupiter is about fools rushing in.

But, there are some weird bits, it's true. And they may be too weird, and may prevent moving forward (depending on how good looking you both are, lol):

Marses conjunct (always weird).
His node is in your 12H house. I speculate this could be irksome.
While your Venuses are quite linked, both of your Venuses are on your own SNs.
His SN on his Mars - exact.
His SN on his Mars, and conjunct your Mars..WHICH is at the apex of your yod (boom, boom, boom - this will be a big weird).
His Mars and Venus tied up with SN, Jupiter, Neptune, Uranus - could mean that sex is a large focus in his life and he enjoys the seduction process and sleeping with many.... you may feel like he's coming for you next.
However, like you, these outer planets are retrograde

Q. is he extroverted person or introverted?

A quick glance at the composite and it only gets more interesting ... my goodness.

At this stage, it's interesting to note the following:
While your Marses are conjunct, and conjunct the composite chart of course, the actual composite mars is unaspected
Your Chiron is conjunct the composite Jupiter - exact
Your Chiron (conjunct the composite Jupiter) is almost forming a yod, and it would've been a boomerang rod, bouncing back to the composite Chiron
Your natal Jupiter almost forms a yod on the other end...
Sun on the SN; nodes better supported here
Not a love stellium because Merc is too wide - but, Sun/Ven is great and then to Moon is lovely..
Saturns a bit nasty to all Mercuries - the comp and both natal Mercuries
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It never ends!

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posted January 04, 2023 07:38 PM            

My point is that, there are an extraordinary amount of pulls.

There are benefits, because of the fantastic healing and soothing you can both provide via your Chirons.

The point about all the Chiron contacts, and the Jupiter, is that, when looking at any charts (natal or anything) there arises repeating themes. And this is what I browse for, first, to help me start. By all means, the Chiron and the Jupiter are not the only themes (as mentioned above - extraordinary amount of pulls).

So, as I note, Chiron and Jupiter are the first themes that kept arising when I began. If you don't know what Chiron or Jupiter is, you should research yourself.

However, I speculate that, the Jupiter influences will provide the optimism that will make it hard to resist proceeding with this situation (but it's not just Jupiter as I have mentioned). And, given the Chiron repeating themes about mutual healing, there is good reason here to proceed.

That is all. There is so much to this synastry that, it is enough for me to stop there, at just these two themes. Otherwise I will drain myself.

As also mentioned though, the synastry between you both is, in many ways, tricky. So tread carefully and slowly, is my advice. But you already seem to know this.

Granted, some people like to rush in and have fun! If that floats your boat then that's obviously ok too

Please let us know how it goes.

posted January 04, 2023 08:57 PM            

*Jupiter harsh to Moon, DW... strong emotions, running rampant
*Mars conjunct Mars, square Pluto- great energy, but intense and volatile at times
*Her Saturn inconjunct those two Mars... I feel like this signifies misfiring when pumping the brakes
*Wide conjunctions for attraction factors... I actually think what is drawing you together more is the SN.
**Strong SN in synastry, natal, and composite- and this ultimately is why I say caution.

He has some issues to sort, and I think he is drawn to strongly living in those past issues, as opposed to a strong drive to push through them. (I also feel that's so unfair to profile a person this way, but this is what I feel for him.).

Venus trine is nice, but not always compelling. Same said for the Saturn trine her Venus. Sun/Moon exchanges between you two is your soul mate/ karmic hallmark. It's recognition.

And as for composite, I find that Neptune at the top of your chart, opposite your Mercury, concerning. Uranus is up there too, showing erratic tendencies. I see the 4th house "feels", and that does draw you in... but Neptune at the top of the chart? I don't know about that one.

posted January 04, 2023 09:57 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Yes, well, also his Jupiter is in your 5th House.

My point is that, there are an extraordinary amount of pulls.

There are benefits, because of the fantastic healing and soothing you can both provide via your Chirons.

The point about all the Chiron contacts, and the Jupiter, is that, when looking at any charts (natal or anything) there arises repeating themes. And this is what I browse for, first, to help me start. By all means, the Chiron and the Jupiter are not the only themes (as mentioned above - extraordinary amount of pulls).

So, as I note, Chiron and Jupiter are the first themes that kept arising when I began. If you don't know what Chiron or Jupiter is, you should research yourself.

However, I speculate that, the Jupiter influences will provide the optimism that will make it hard to resist proceeding with this situation (but it's not just Jupiter as I have mentioned). And, given the Chiron repeating themes about mutual healing, there is good reason here to proceed.

That is all. There is so much to this synastry that, it is enough for me to stop there, at just these two themes. Otherwise I will drain myself.

As also mentioned though, the synastry between you both is, in many ways, tricky. So tread carefully and slowly, is my advice. But you already seem to know this.

Granted, some people like to rush in and have fun! If that floats your boat then that's obviously ok too

Please let us know how it goes.

Hopefully more people will chime in

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Totally! I wouldn't want you to drain yourself, I am super grateful for all the feedback and I am finding everything so fascinating - it's so stimulating to read and think about.

I do know the meanings of Chiron and Jupiter - I just sometimes struggle to apply the planets together; or at least within the context of the house. I would think something like "homing in on or exaggerating pain/healing of Chiron, where either I will feel that Chiron wounding more intensely or Jupiter will give the opportunity for greater healing via pain".

Nevertheless, I sometimes find that when we are talking the communication comes to a halt and I don't know what to say anymore - or I feel like nothing needs to be said. Perhaps that is the caution treading slowly coming up.

posted January 04, 2023 10:08 PM            

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I will have to come back to go more in depth, but I actually feel "caution" with this one...

*Jupiter harsh to Moon, DW... strong emotions, running rampant
*Mars conjunct Mars, square Pluto- great energy, but intense and volatile at times
*Her Saturn inconjunct those two Mars... I feel like this signifies misfiring when pumping the brakes
*Wide conjunctions for attraction factors... I actually think what is drawing you together more is the SN.
**Strong SN in synastry, natal, and composite- and this ultimately is why I say caution.

He has some issues to sort, and I think he is drawn to strongly living in those past issues, as opposed to a strong drive to push through them. (I also feel that's so unfair to profile a person this way, but this is what I feel for him.).

Venus trine is nice, but not always compelling. Same said for the Saturn trine her Venus. Sun/Moon exchanges between you two is your soul mate/ karmic hallmark. It's recognition.

And as for composite, I find that Neptune at the top of your chart, opposite your Mercury, concerning. Uranus is up there too, showing erratic tendencies. I see the 4th house "feels", and that does draw you in... but Neptune at the top of the chart? I don't know about that one.

I am sorry that I am the voice of worry and negativity here. I hope I am wrong!

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Wow, Thank you StoneMoon!! Yeah, def caution; I don't feel compelled to jump into anything - and I almost feel, I don't know how much forward movement there would be in this in terms of growth for me internally; perhaps some healing, but I don't feel like he goes to his core like I do when it comes to tackling things in order to move forward.

posted January 04, 2023 11:04 PM            

You know, everyone's different at at different stages..

There was a time when I was so trusting in everything, that I thought love will just lead the way.

A great lesson was practicing caution. Because - exactly: "I just don't want to be traumatized again haha...." It is my self care now, too.

Loving ourselves enough to honour own protection and safety, is of course Chironic .

Sometimes women learn too late how men are (all I'll say on that one!). There is wisdom to be found in: make him put a ring on it

posted January 04, 2023 11:24 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Yes for what you said about Jupiter and Chiron. About the same as what I'd say

You know, everyone's different at at different stages..

There was a time when I was so trusting in everything, that I thought love will just lead the way.

A great lesson was practicing caution. Because - exactly: "I just don't want to be traumatized again haha...." It is my self care now, too.

Loving ourselves enough to honour own protection and safety, is of course Chironic .

Sometimes women learn too late how men are (all I'll say on that one!). There is wisdom to be found in: make him put a ring on it

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I don't know I have heard about this whole; if he doesn't propose to you within two years of dating, he is just stringing you along etc.. But men (people) still cheat within marriages - even when it is the love of their lives. I just don't know how significant marriage is anymore - commitment should be an internal thing. Sometimes when men are ready apparently they marry whoever is in front of them...I think marriage does matter, but does it give a false sense of security?

Nevertheless, yes being cautious is definitely something I have had to learn too. I used to love rushing in and now I question if I really want to feel all the negative emotions that come with relationships if this person or what I can learn from this relationship is worth it to disturb my peace for a time.

posted January 05, 2023 12:34 AM            

The point about the ring is not romantic but, simply practical. The chances of a cheater are so high, either way, but, if you have the ring, at least you will have the house when he leaves, or you kick him out.

It is about financial security. Many men love the bishes because the bishes know the law of the land, and, respect themselves enough to make sure they enter the deal materially protected. At least when he breaks their heart, they will have somewhere safe to cry.

posted January 05, 2023 02:15 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Yes.. men have a 6th instinct for the ones who will rush in. For the ones who are jittery, and nervous, who may have abandonment issues, self esteem issues, the pleasers, the doormats, the hopeful and trusting - or any other issues.

The point about the ring is not romantic but, simply practical. The chances of a cheater are so high, either way, but, if you have the ring, at least you will have the house when he leaves, or you kick him out.

It is about financial security. Many men love the bishes because the bishes know the law of the land, and, respect themselves enough to make sure they enter the deal materially protected. At least when he breaks their heart, they will have somewhere safe to cry.

True story! These days... takes 2+ incomes to get anywhere.

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posted January 10, 2023 09:54 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Hahaa... maybe me.

But I haven't forgotten this journey of yours you know!

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posted January 11, 2023 08:43 AM            

I would love to know more about my own love life potential. While I enjoy exploring all kinds of relationships, I am hoping for one of my own romantic ones! 🤣

Also, I hope you keep us posted on the connection you have here. I wonder, too, if and how your thoughts/feelings may shift when Mars and Mercury go direct... I will likely go back through your charts here and see what else I feel.

posted January 11, 2023 07:10 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
I've never had it done and I'm scared, lol.

So maybe I'll think about it

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posted January 11, 2023 07:15 PM            

I'll leave it for StoneMoon.

posted January 11, 2023 07:35 PM            

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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
May I ask a question?

I would love to know more about my own love life potential. While I enjoy exploring all kinds of relationships, I am hoping for one of my own romantic ones! 🤣

Also, I hope you keep us posted on the connection you have here. I wonder, too, if and how your thoughts/feelings may shift when Mars and Mercury go direct... I will likely go back through your charts here and see what else I feel.

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Hi, doll of course! Let me have a look ~

I wanted three cards and somehow ended up with five - I could feel there was some simmering energy in there that wanted to come up.

Your cards are Seven of Swords, Six of Cups(R), The Hanged Man (R), The Four of Wands, and The Star.

Hmm, Stonemoon did someone betray you in the past? I feel as if perhaps there was a relationship or something that consisted of some sort of betrayal, or something just wasn't forthcoming - I think in turn this has caused you to hold on to the past a bit.

There is a nostalgic aspect to the Six of Cups in reverse; I don't know if what you are thinking about is good or bad. With The Hanged Man in reverse - perhaps your perspective needs some work - if you are reminiscing in the past it could keep you stuck; not living in the present will not help you.

On another note - these three cards could be asking you to slow down and take a minute to sort through something that hurt you; if you do that it will help you to gain a better perspective in order to move forward. I feel like either, you are stuck thinking about something that happened in the past that may give you a warped sense of love that needs to be sorted through. OR These are good memories that you are thinking about, perhaps wishing for it to go back that way; but I think you very much keep this aspect of nostalgia to yourself. Perhaps you do not share that there's something your mind lingers on.

With the Four of Wands and The Star; I think once you move past this perspective issue - it will open you up to more happiness; either way, this time is about you rising through the ashes like The Star; it comes after The Tower card - so perhaps what happened in the past sent you for a loop and you sort of had to rebuild yourself through it, or there was at least immense growth.

I just get this feeling of, your beauty and happiness is starting to emerge; from within yourself - as you start to shine these opportunities for love will emerge. I think one key thing you have to do is let go of the past; whether it is good or bad. Who you are now is all that matters, and you are starting to shine.

I hope this resonates; let me know if it hits any truth ~~

posted January 11, 2023 08:11 PM            

The past is something I did struggle with, and it definitely held me back. Your interpretation is correct that I am beginning to emerge as my true self, and really starting to shine again. I hope your reading indicates that the seven of swords and six of cups (r) are me in the past, and that I am currently following the hanged man and becoming the star.

I have done a LOT of soul searching the last two years, and I feel different now. I have been sure to let the universe know I am ready just about every day by declaring it loudly! 🤣

Again, thank you so much for taking the time to read for me!

posted January 11, 2023 08:25 PM            

I do see that Mercury Neptune opposite and I still feel there Is a lack of clarity in communication. The Saturn at MC could definitely be a sense of stability and being a :steady: couple in the public eye. Chiron is opposite that, at the bottom of the chart. I feel like whatever steadiness you show outwardly, your pain is almost well hidden. Perhaps it is something you nurse and tend together in your own private moments? Mars is nearby too...

Pluto is square this opposition, and in the 7th. Power struggles?

Moon in the 12th could go a number of ways, but I have often found it means emotions stay behind the scenes. So perhaps someone isn't able to discuss them, or doesn't feel able to share?

I do like the Taurus moon though- to me it kind of feels like what you are describing, building the emotional connection slowly but surely. And Taurus moon is lasting- when it loves, it loves for the long haul... although sometimes to its detriment.

I don't mind the 2nd house activity, and it reinforces the Taurus moon, esp since it sextiles it...