posted January 20, 2023 04:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Yes, the supporting element was my longtime health issue/disabiliy that didnt allow us to get separated :-)
Then, yes, we have good Jupiter/Moon aspects showing mutual support, and a love stellium (Sun, Venus, Mercury)... but despite all of that, the t-square made things quite heavy and more more "doomed" between us on the emotional/closeness plane, as the core issues and conflicts between us created great coldness...
We cant state 100% that things will end or end in february, but transits dont look much favourable around this time... transiting saturn square comp pluto, tr. Uranus square comp Saturn and tr Saturn opposite Mars are very heavy energies to handle all together and usually point to difficulties in keeping the relationship going or taking off as they are generally aspects about separation or impossibility to overcome a challenge, even though it may just be a temporary impossibility. Saturn/Pluto usually occurs when we need to deeply change somwthing that is not serving well anymore, but it can bring "victory" or achievements once you accept the "revolution"... Saturn/Mars in this picture is more concerning cause in my experience one of the two usually gives up, its very frustrating aspect... I think it would be better to re-look at transits in february based on the actual context and developments....

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posted January 20, 2023 04:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Sassaqua, I agree. But the point to me is to be honest when I see potential issues in a chart. I have regretted so much when I did hold back my opinion to the querent and then what I expected to happened occurred. I cant honestly see how holding my honest opinion could ever make sense in reading a chart.
Once done this, the querent is free to just ignore any advice, and the pissibility that an external opinion is wrong is always there.

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Hi Stoika7,

not sure what point you agree with? I agree with you too about being honest.

I do question how much agency a querent has about something they don't know about, or even understand.

I mean, for one example, when someone reads your palm and says: you're going to have a car accident tomorrow. You don't know if they are right or wrong, and therefore also, you don't know whether to ignore or not. So, I don't know if someone "is free to just ignore any advice".

Similarly, if you were to highlight dangers in a synastry, even if they were to take any notice, lol, I am not convinced it is our place to (potentially) divert the journey the querent might experience in the relationship, by highlighting dangers/tricky bits.

Sorry, I may not be being clear.. I've got tired tonight already and my thoughts may not be expressed clearly. So forgive me. But yes, they are all thoughts that arise when reading charts.

A problem is that many people who come for readings do not understand astrology language. They don't appreciate the significance of terms such as: Saturn is opposite Mars.

Therefore, IMO, it's an artform to 1) explain these energies 2) not frighten people by the awful aspects we see 3) be honest about dangers/tricky bits.

The balancing act is not easy! Why I love coming and reading here, because I love that challenge to synthesise everything.

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
But since this is an astrology forum, I basically hope the querent will look at those aspects in a careful way and see how tgey can relate to those energies... I mean, I hope one's learn how to go deeper into their own chart a d nake their iwn conclusion according to their actual situation, which they are aware about much more than anyone else.

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Me too .. but very many people wont go very deep. I mean, there are some (one) posters on LL who have posted the most basic of queries for years. Their astrology knowledge has not grown or deepened at all. And that's ok (I suppose).. You'd think that they would, given that yes, it is an astrology forum. But, ok.

posted January 20, 2023 06:15 AM            

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Originally posted by LilyIris07:
Thanks for your input doll; he's been very stable but yeah I am already feeling apprehensive and I was kind of from the beginning because I don't want to do all this karmic **** . The last two/three years has just been that; sort term and painful for me. I have a "date" on Saturday with him, I will probably go anyway - but I can feel apart of myself numbing down.

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posted January 20, 2023 06:16 AM            

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Originally posted by LilyIris07:
I am thankful for your readings tho, and I am glad that you have someone by your side that you love <3

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Awww, thank you so much ❤️

posted January 20, 2023 06:32 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Me too .. but very many people wont go very deep. I mean, there are some (one) posters on LL who have posted the most basic of queries for years. Their astrology knowledge has not grown or deepened at all. And that's ok (I suppose).. You'd think that they would, given that yes, it is an astrology forum. But, ok.

Again, sorry if those thoughts are are not tidy. The phone rang and I didn't tidy it up. I'll tidy later in an edit : )

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posted January 20, 2023 07:01 AM            

1. I totally get being disappointed in men, the bar is so low - it’s still a man’s world. It’s even difficult for us to outlearn certain things in the patriarchy, I can only imagine how ingrained it is in men.

2. I agree with the honesty; I appreciate all the views I get from you all - to be honest though on my own side, I put a lot of faith into astrology, and when I see harsh thing it does make me sad. Especially with things like this when I am being put through the wringer again haha.

3. I do think astrology does play out like it says; there are a exceptions. But I think it’s wishful thinking to think we or I am the exception to the rule. Nevertheless I often feel like our intuition can tell us the same things astrology would tell us beforehand. Like we can get a general feeling.

4. I never thought this person was going to “be my person” anyway - I was just hoping something would last for a little bit haha… especially because I think I have a Jupiter on my Moon(or it may be venus? I no remember) I think transit now; so I was hoping that would bring something not so painful 😂.

posted January 20, 2023 07:46 AM            

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I will give updates guys

1. I totally get being disappointed in men, the bar is so low - it’s still a man’s world. It’s even difficult for us to outlearn certain things in the patriarchy, I can only imagine how ingrained it is in men.

2. I agree with the honesty; I appreciate all the views I get from you all - to be honest though on my own side, I put a lot of faith into astrology, and when I see harsh thing it does make me sad. Especially with things like this when I am being put through the wringer again haha.

3. I do think astrology does play out like it says; there are a exceptions. But I think it’s wishful thinking to think we or I am the exception to the rule. Nevertheless I often feel like our intuition can tell us the same things astrology would tell us beforehand. Like we can get a general feeling.

4. I never thought this person was going to “be my person” anyway - I was just hoping something would last for a little bit haha… especially because I think I have a Jupiter on my Moon(or it may be venus? I no remember) I think transit now; so I was hoping that would bring something not so painful 😂.

5. Onto astrology; I’ve heard t-squares can be binding? But I suppose what you are suggesting is that with the current transits and just the overall composite that a relationship is unlikely to happen (which may be a blessing in disguise, because I don’t want to suffer inside of one either). I was just hoping the sun/moon/venus would come into play nicely, and I think Saturn is on the AC? I thought that could add some stability, but perhaps that just shows stability outwards to others even though that’s not what we are experiencing on the inside. I do believe that we have a mirrored wound here - we have both been through a looooot. Although he seems much more keen to be with me, than I with him. But I think he is a relationship person, and I don’t know if he’s thinking properly LOL…

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Lovely, thank you for sharing this all.
I just want to say that astrology may show the truth but an astrologer may not always grab all the possible dynamics and outcomes... They may be right, but you are always much more aware of the context and feelings than anyone else, So I mean, I myself do not "trust" astrology 100% simply cause the reality is much more complex... sometimes the same energies we read in a way, play out in a different way... I do take astrology into account, I want to understand how we can relate to those energies, rather than trust it. But I dont want this "trust" to rule my life...

posted January 20, 2023 10:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Lovely, thank you for sharing this all.
I just want to say that astrology may show the truth but an astrologer may not always grab all the possible dynamics and outcomes... They may be right, but you are always much more aware of the context and feelings than anyone else, So I mean, I myself do not "trust" astrology 100% simply cause the reality is much more complex... sometimes the same energies we read in a way, play out in a different way... I do take astrology into account, I want to understand how we can relate to those energies, rather than trust it. But I dont want this "trust" to rule my life...

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Totally; I suppose how things manifest on the physical plane depends and is sometimes not what we expect. I was feeling very vulnerable yesterday, but I had therapy and I feel a bit better - I think that I need to try and face this karma as much as I can, I have a tendency to want relationships but run from them, or doom them etc… even though his won’t work out, surely there must be some growth from it for me. I don’t want to live in fear… anyway, I on me way to my date! I’m feeling sort of content at the moment, it probably won’t stay this way but whatever happens happens and I cannot control everything. I shall keep you all updated….

posted January 21, 2023 12:01 AM            

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Originally posted by LilyIris07:
Totally; I suppose how things manifest on the physical plane depends and is sometimes not what we expect. I was feeling very vulnerable yesterday, but I had therapy and I feel a bit better - I think that I need to try and face this karma as much as I can, I have a tendency to want relationships but run from them, or doom them etc… even though his won’t work out, surely there must be some growth from it for me. I don’t want to live in fear… anyway, I on me way to my date! I’m feeling sort of content at the moment, it probably won’t stay this way but whatever happens happens and I cannot control everything. I shall keep you all updated….

Also, Stoika, would you like a tarot reading? ~~

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Darling, I am so glad you feel better today, and looking forward to hear your updates on your date... I do really wish you to find a way to experience this connection in the best possible way, for yourself and your karma growth 💙 I feel you are going through a signficant path of healing, that your awareness is growing intensly.
What I wanted to say about astrology, it's difficult for me to explain... I believe that there are energies out there that we can't control, but at the same time awareness about those energies can help us deal with them, either if it's about our own life path, love relationship, or a current specific situation, we can learn to get "in tune" somehow with those energies and channel this all for our well being. Do you know what I mean ?

posted January 21, 2023 07:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Darling, I am so glad you feel better today, and looking forward to hear your updates on your date... I do really wish you to find a way to experience this connection in the best possible way, for yourself and your karma growth 💙 I feel you are going through a signficant path of healing, that your awareness is growing intensly.
What I wanted to say about astrology, it's difficult for me to explain... I believe that there are energies out there that we can't control, but at the same time awareness about those energies can help us deal with them, either if it's about our own life path, love relationship, or a current specific situation, we can learn to get "in tune" somehow with those energies and channel this all for our well being. Do you know what I mean ?

Thank you so so much for your offer of a tarot reading! This is very sweet of you.
If you feel like doing it, I would ask if my karma with a man called J is over, or unfinished business, or if more has to come.
If the question is too complicated, I'll sum it up with: will I reconnect with J ?

🙏🙏🙏

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Ahh he’s so cute - sadddd. I’ll have to do the tarot tomorrow doll! I’m out now

posted January 21, 2023 03:53 PM            

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Originally posted by LilyIris07:
Ahh he’s so cute - sadddd. I’ll have to do the tarot tomorrow doll! I’m out now

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Hey! Don't worry at all about that, take your time! You sound like you enjoyed the date :-))

posted January 22, 2023 08:18 PM            

Synastry:

I reposted. Do you want me to take the options to all aspects off? I also reduced the orbs to 65%; I see the vertex and pluto have shifted into the 6th house, which is interesting - because doesn't that have to do with daily things/health? We are both addicts, so it would make sense if we were both struggling with those more profound aspects of health, but also it's like with the 9th and 3rd house? Something about having different perspectives on that healing? IDK; I just woke up so I am a little all over the place.

What do you think? Also is it not the NN opposite the Sun? Not South?

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I see the vertex and pluto have shifted into the 6th house, which is interesting - because doesn't that have to do with daily things/health? We are both addicts, so it would make sense if we were both struggling with those more profound aspects of health, but also it's like with the 9th and 3rd house? Something about having different perspectives on that healing? IDK; I just woke up so I am a little all over the place.

What do you think? Also is it not the NN opposite the Sun? Not South?

(I haven't forgotten about your reading ~~)

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Sorry I didn't read your observation/questions before writing my comment. I think your interpretation is very good and it might be exactly as you're saying, different perspectives on healing which may create issues at communication level... in this context, with those Neptune aspects I have mentioned, you need to be careful because Neptune may push you both to "nurture" your addiction issues instead of recovering together. this also may trigger issue, maybe one really wants to recover while the other may drag them into the issues again, a dangerous dynamic which can be typical in couple with these issues....

posted January 22, 2023 09:02 PM            

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In the new Composite, with Vertex conjunct Pluto square to the Saturn/Chiron opposition, the issues looks more related to communication in the long run... Vertex here might hinder a shared "healing" at communication level as if your shared wound may become painful to be faced together, or the feeling might be there that communication is not serving this purpose as much s you ahve wished for... and this may explain the Neptune opposite Mercury and quincux to Chiron, and Saturn quincunx mercury, plain communication issues on the long run which may rseult "weak", inconsistent or unclear... something you might have to put efforts in in order to make things work out... Neptune here may give the illusione initially that communciation is great, but later whether you get more intimate the issues could surface and potentially become painful. this all still has potential toxic energies exposing your vulnerabiloities to each other and creating conflicts, but it looks more at psychological level, loike if one at one point may feel that the relationship is hindering their own inner growth and life path instead of healing...
Moon in the twelve house is very karmic and deeply emotional, as it looked in the first chart already, but here it is sextile to MC and trine to IC, and so you two really feel familiar with each other, deeply feel the bond emotionally, and are both likely drawn to commit to each other. The 12th house here again may make things a bit idealistic or platonic and something unfinished may be there...
The synastry to me looks a bit tricky and unstable, yet karmic again with the nodal aspects... Chiron here doesnt look damaged between you two, but Pluto square the mars/conjunction on his ASC could be a big red flag. It shows great passionate and sexual relationship, but Pluto against those Mars/Mars looks potentially aggressive and triggering conflicts. Also, Neptune is quincunx to this conjunction, which may play out again as trust issues or lack of devotion... The IC/MC axis conjunction is quite binding again, and falling on the Sun/Moon conjunction opposite your Jupiter, so I would not rule out that a relationship may take off the ground with these aspects.
Still, if this happens, you need caution about those toxic dynamics that may surface with time.

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posted January 22, 2023 09:31 PM            

As for the addiction stuff - this is very typical, especially for addicts. I am not surprised that these things would become issues, perhaps we have karma together. But I don't think I want to be with another addict long term.

posted January 22, 2023 10:17 PM            

As for transits, first off you have to see how transiting Saturn opposite to composite Mars within next month and then square to the ASC/DSC axis will play out, this is the closest challenging aspect you're soon going through, which is not favourable for long term, so I would suggest to go very slow and see how things will develope between you two in the next two months.
Then, in June, transiting Jupiter will be conjunct to Composite Moon, which is very favourable.
Transiting Nodes triggering Neptune issues could occur early in 2024, when the nodes are square to comp. Neptune.
But it would be too early to look at transits too far in the future at this moment, cause we need to look at the whole transits picture along with the actual context that you are experiencing...

posted January 25, 2023 11:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Darling, I am so glad you feel better today, and looking forward to hear your updates on your date... I do really wish you to find a way to experience this connection in the best possible way, for yourself and your karma growth 💙 I feel you are going through a signficant path of healing, that your awareness is growing intensly.
What I wanted to say about astrology, it's difficult for me to explain... I believe that there are energies out there that we can't control, but at the same time awareness about those energies can help us deal with them, either if it's about our own life path, love relationship, or a current specific situation, we can learn to get "in tune" somehow with those energies and channel this all for our well being. Do you know what I mean ?

Thank you so so much for your offer of a tarot reading! This is very sweet of you.
If you feel like doing it, I would ask if my karma with a man called J is over, or unfinished business, or if more has to come.
If the question is too complicated, I'll sum it up with: will I reconnect with J ?

🙏🙏🙏

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Hi!!! I so sorry it took me so long to respond, I was so busy over the weekend and then I needed to regain my social battery.

So, there is a lot of blocked ish energy here it seems. We have The Fool, Daughter of Pentacles, The Lovers all in reverse, then we have the Son of Cups and Six of Pentacles upright; lastly The Sun in reverse too.

Hmm, I feel like the fool and the daughter of pentacles (page) someone, is wanting to take something off the ground but is afraid to do so. Like there is a holding back, cautious energy here - there is an idea or something energy that is sort of stuck? With the lovers attached to this - either there is a fear or a stop to moving the relationship forward, into a romance? Or there is just a standstill in general to pursuing whatever this connection is; I don't know if it's a misalignment of values or just differences in general - Hmmm, does this guy usually go after what he wants, is he a player? Or a romantic... He perhaps has an aspect, of being a loving giving person. I feel like the Sun here is signifying that you are sort of pessimistic in this situation. It is like a lack of optimism is stopping you from enjoying or pursuing this connection. Unless it is him holding back from, reaching out because he doesn't see the positive outcome of doing that.

It is a bit confusing, I feel like whatever karma there is it is not over - but it has definitely come to a standstill for now. Because all of these cards upright are really nice, and it does show a soft sensitive sort of energy. A childlike connectedness but its blocked somehow... Perhaps one of you wants to be romantic but the other doesn't feel the same, or there is a worry or disbelief about shared feelings?

posted January 25, 2023 11:45 PM            

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Well, now that I have a clearer context, I am feeling that the core issue may be especially around the addiction issues, and so yeah, around those typical dynamics which could push each other in the "wrong" direction, you know what I mean... The Juno/Jupiter midpoint is square to MC, and so the result of those issues may result mainly in instability and potential separation at one point... (still speculating on what could happen whether you're in an established relationship...)

As for transits, first off you have to see how transiting Saturn opposite to composite Mars within next month and then square to the ASC/DSC axis will play out, this is the closest challenging aspect you're soon going through, which is not favourable for long term, so I would suggest to go very slow and see how things will develope between you two in the next two months.
Then, in June, transiting Jupiter will be conjunct to Composite Moon, which is very favourable.
Transiting Nodes triggering Neptune issues could occur early in 2024, when the nodes are square to comp. Neptune.
But it would be too early to look at transits too far in the future at this moment, cause we need to look at the whole transits picture along with the actual context that you are experiencing...

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Hmm I see what you are saying; I am curious do the charts show mutual feelings? I sometimes feel like either he is just very expressive or he is into me more than I am him.

How long do transits last?

On another note: Other people in recovery know about us - our sponsors seem to be okay with it; but there are others who severely disapprove because he is new to recovery and I have been in it a little longer. It does seem like people can pick up on the connection, even if they do not know though. I am not fully willing to commit yet, we are still trying to build a deeper connection - but we do talk every day and we are seeing each other again this weekend.

posted January 26, 2023 05:56 PM            

As for your question, I feel that the feelings are mutual cause the Mars/Venus midpoint is trine to DSC, and the Moon/Jupiter midpoint is conjunct Venus... but there may be some insecurities too, cause Venus is quincunx Saturn, dont know if these insecurities are more on your part or his, in synastry his Venus is conjunct your DSC sextile his Jupiter, and so I think he's definitely having feelings. The insecurities look more about committment and long term, since maybe the whole circumstance may have an influence and question marks on your individual future, but the aspects of Jupiter look like you're both feeling your connection is supporting both of you in this recovery process...

"How long do transits last?"
It depends on which transit. The coming transit of Saturn opposite composite Mars will have influence for about one month and then Saturn will go towards comp. MC and this motion will last until summer, meanwhile other transits will be more favourable, but first you have to see how Saturn against mars will play out cause this looks like a block for the moment, it has not started yet and its influence will start in mid february until early march. Meanwhile, transiting North Node is conjunct comp. Moon, and this is likely building emotional closeness between you two. Tr. Chiron is in comp. 11th house square to Mercury/Neptune, maybe this is having an influence in your environment, some approve, some don't have a clear idea of your connection, and so on, but tr. Chiron is trine to comp. Chiron and this looks favourable as the environment/circumstance looks like it's supporting your connection...
The thing with the coming trasiting Saturn opposite Mars is that it is a very heavy energy of blocking or making things very very slow, and this energy outweights any other as for how your connection with him is developing, it could bring just delays and discouragement, or it could bring withdrawal and detachment, so this is why I said better to wait and see how things will develope in the next two months before making any further prediction, even so, if this transit plays out well, maybe just slow and with delays, in summer the picture looks much more favourable.