posted January 02, 2023 02:03 AM            

I was wondering if someone could give me a bit of an interpretation of this composite/synastry.

I will happily do a tarot reading for you in exchange because my chart reading is inaccurate.

I'll attach the images - and just let me know what you would like me to look into for you <3

Composite:

posted January 02, 2023 06:08 AM            

For the synastry best to reduce aspects.

Is that 2 yods? And both to Jupiter :P And one is a boomerang yod, to his Moon.

This is going to be interesting.

T-square with Pluto.. One Pluto challenging Venus, the other t-square with Mars.

Him pulling away on his NN.. and maybe you are too, because you BOTH have Venus on your SN. and your NNs are in square signs.. you are pulling in different directions.

Your Sun, Mercury, and Pluto have only challenging aspects...

Core components -
Your Sun is conjunct his Moon... (couple of Gemini chatterboxes, lol) they both only have challenging aspects, and, this is where the boomerang yod reflects back, yowzers. This is an intense focus in this synastry: both of your emotional self worth, sense of identity, sense of belonging, and direction in the world that lies apart from this relationship often is at the center of your attention and which questions come into focus. Like, sometimes secretly wonder if this relationship is draining, and may be holding you back. But you also have great comfort together as you know each other well, but you lose your own identity because you are so close.

Your aspects and modalities are generally pretty smooth and familiar to each other. You are good pals and have a good rhythm with each other. And you get each other deeply - you just click. You are home for each other in many ways, since also, there are a few aspect parallels.

Power struggles and games involving jealousies, and fears of losing each other are a core component to the relationship. Which is pretty usual in any relationship. But what would you do without each other?

You get a lot of security and stability from him. He is your rock, but you are to him too. You balance each other out, and compliment each other well. You are mutually dependent on each other for support, sense of identity, and comfort.

But it's not always smooth.. sometimes it's love/hate, and sometimes you lack a clear direction and wonder if you are just friends.

It may be worth seeing the natals to drill down on this complex synastry..

posted January 02, 2023 08:28 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Hi LilyIris07 and HNY!

For the synastry best to reduce aspects.

Is that 2 yods? And both to Jupiter :P And one is a boomerang yod, to his Moon.

This is going to be interesting.

T-square with Pluto.. One Pluto challenging Venus, the other t-square with Mars.

Him pulling away on his NN.. and maybe you are too, because you BOTH have Venus on your SN. and your NNs are in square signs.. you are pulling in different directions.

Your Sun, Mercury, and Pluto have only challenging aspects...

Core components -
Your Sun is conjunct his Moon... (couple of Gemini chatterboxes, lol) they both only have challenging aspects, and this is where the boomerang yod reflects back, yowzers. This is an intense focus in this synastry: both of your emotional self worth, sense of identity, sense of belonging, and direction in the world that lies apart from this relationship often is at the center of your attention and which questions come into focus. Like, sometimes secretly wonder if this relationship is draining, and may be holding you back. But you also have great comfort together as you know each other well, but you lose your own identity because you are so close.

Your aspects and modalities are generally pretty smooth and familiar to each other. You are good pals and have a good rhythm with each other. And you get each other deeply - you just click. You are home for each other in many ways, since also, there are a few aspect parallels.

Power struggles and games involving jealousies, and fears of losing each other are a core component to the relationship. Which is pretty usual in any relationship. But what would you do without each other?

You get a lot of security and stability from him. He is your rock, but you are to him too. You balance each other out, and compliment each other well. You are mutually dependent on each other for support, sense of identity, and comfort.

But it's not always smooth.. sometimes it's love/hate, and sometimes you lack a clear direction and wonder if you are just friends.

It may be worth seeing the natals to drill down on this complex synastry..

So far these are just notes that I will continue to edit

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posted January 02, 2023 08:32 AM            

In every sentence I struggled to purposely avoid the term "co-dependent".

Then you just come right out and say it, lol. But yes, co-dependent.

At the end of the day, all relationships are co-dependent. I tried to avoid the term because it has negative connotation and I didn't want to scare you.

And while I'm at it - don't think I know any relationships that aren't hectic, lol.

If you are not in a relationship yet, things like: "But it's not always smooth.. sometimes it's love/hate, and sometimes you lack a clear direction and wonder if you are just friends." comes later, like, 12 months down the track or something like.

posted January 02, 2023 03:06 PM            

Your charts are very interesting. I don't think I ever saw such contradicting relationship charts.

I like the composite, but the synastry is not very good, with both his moon and venus far from yours, and his moon making an unfavorable aspect to your rising. Because of these he may not stick around for long and his eyes may begin to wander. Maybe your sun conjunct his moon will be the saving grace.

Are you guys actually dating? Because that's the only way the composite will really start giving effects.

posted January 02, 2023 05:07 PM            

Not sure where she's gone. Sometimes people put charts up and don't return and it just wastes peoples time.

posted January 02, 2023 07:22 PM            

But yes, it does happen. It takes a lot of effort to analyse charts and some people dump their query, never to return.

Some background, and info on the interaction is useful, if you want specific feedback. And if you have questions, ask them.

A classic is when people just ask: does he love me? The answer can be: well, how good looking are you, lol. And how willing are you to put out, lol. My point is, sometimes it has nothing to do with synastry and more to do with hormones.

Otherwise, it's ok to give no background too. I personally don't mind no info. Because then I am testing my own analysis.

posted January 02, 2023 09:33 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Lol, it's ok.

But yes, it does happen. It takes a lot of effort to analyse charts and some people dump their query, never to return.

Some background, and info on the interaction is useful, if you want specific feedback. And if you have questions, ask them.

A classic is when people just ask: does he love me? The answer can be: well, how good looking are you, lol. And how willing are you to put out, lol. My point is, sometimes it has nothing to do with synastry and more to do with hormones.

Otherwise, it's ok to give no background too. I personally don't mind no info. Because then I am testing my own analysis.

This is tricky synastry for sure. But which synastry isn't? And, as they say, it's tricky synastry that brings people together in the first place. You just got to make sure you get out alive, lol.

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Haha, I can give some background - we are both in recovery together; he is new to the program, so I have to be careful because my recovery is longer than his.

He is South African like me lol - and a teacher like me. There is a lot of familiarities - and we do get along very well, but I do feel like we would hold onto each other deeply because we both have similar childhood wounding, or we both have that need of wanting that stability with each other.

Someone said our moons and venues are far from each other which is fair, but our venues are trined and his venus opposes my rising... does that not count for something?

posted January 02, 2023 09:56 PM            

Ohhh... this is getting interesting

Yes, I did feel that there was a level of leaning on each other. Like: we're a unit of protection against the world. Which, is common of course to relationships, and not at all unhealthy.

No, I see a lot of good. But it's something that maybe needs to be taken slowly in my estimation. Because there's some intensity and tricky bits.

posted January 02, 2023 09:57 PM            

Okay this is his natal:

and this is mine unfortunately:

lemme know what you would like me to read for you!!

posted January 02, 2023 10:08 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Recovery?

Ohhh... this is getting interesting

Yes, I did feel that there was a level of leaning on each other. Like: we're a unit of protection against the world. Which, is common of course to relationships, and not at all unhealthy.

No, I see a lot of good. But it's something that maybe needs to be taken slowly in my estimation. Because there's some intensity and tricky bits.

No hurry. Hopefully other people will continue to chime in

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I have to be careful what I say about recovery, it is AA but that is all I can really say - besides his initial and birthday apparently haha

posted January 02, 2023 10:25 PM            

I'd rather see these charts with reduced lines. So, no lines to points (like ascendant) and roids. Otherwise it hurts my brain and I just cannot look at it.

The composite and natals then are too hard to look at for me. Especially because, just at a glance they are also complex charts!

You are sure of his TOB?

posted January 02, 2023 10:34 PM            

me:

posted January 02, 2023 10:36 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
All ok, we've all got "stuff"

I'd rather see these charts with reduced lines. So, no lines to points (like ascendant) and roids. Otherwise it hurts my brain and I just cannot look at it.

The composite and natals then are too hard to look at for me. Especially because, just at a glance they are also complex charts!

You are sure of his TOB?

This all takes time to read so.. slowly.

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posted January 02, 2023 11:38 PM            

Hopefully easier for other people too.

posted January 03, 2023 12:30 AM            

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Originally posted by LilyIris07:
Hi! Sorry, I went to sleep :/ - I can post the Natals if you’d like ~~ and no I really appreciate the advice! At the moment we are talking a lot, I think there’s interest. But yes, I sort of get confused because I’m like I do like him and then other times I’m like nah… we are not dating but I feel like the possibility is very much there.

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Thanks for the context, it that case I hope if you do end up dating the composite will save the synastry lol. keep us posted please

And to answer your other question, my astrology teacher says that the man's moon must be at most 7 signs before a woman's moon. Anything beyond that will make him fall out of tune with the woman's emotional needs, and hence she will end up always having to explain herself and justify her actions to him.

posted January 03, 2023 01:18 AM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
Thanks for the context, it that case I hope if you do end up dating the composite will save the synastry lol. keep us posted please

And to answer your other question, my astrology teacher says that the man's moon must be at most 7 signs before a woman's moon. Anything beyond that will make him fall out of tune with the woman's emotional needs, and hence she will end up always having to explain herself and justify her actions to him.

She says if the moons don't work, you'd have to check the same principle for venuses. If a man's venus is maximum 7 signs before a woman's, then that would cancel out his far moon. In your case both are too far, and on top of that his moon square your AC. I doubt that his venus opposite your AC will be able to cancel out the other three, but don't take my pessimistic words for it lol. you should always choose what you want to believe in!

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posted January 03, 2023 07:19 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
Thanks for the context, it that case I hope if you do end up dating the composite will save the synastry lol. keep us posted please

And to answer your other question, my astrology teacher says that the man's moon must be at most 7 signs before a woman's moon. Anything beyond that will make him fall out of tune with the woman's emotional needs, and hence she will end up always having to explain herself and justify her actions to him.

She says if the moons don't work, you'd have to check the same principle for venuses. If a man's venus is maximum 7 signs before a woman's, then that would cancel out his far moon. In your case both are too far, and on top of that his moon square your AC. I doubt that his venus opposite your AC will be able to cancel out the other three, but don't take my pessimistic words for it lol. you should always choose what you want to believe in!

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Hello again

You know, the issue with theory, which includes our love for astrology, is that reality is often quite a different matter.

Your teacher is overlooking the reality of life, in that, the odds of finding the perfect person is low. Given this, people will more often than not, compromise on their ideal personal relationship.

This is why relationships, in reality, are a real (Libra) compromise. Is there wisdom in Libra who perhaps ironically, as an air sign, understands that relationships are actually grounded in practicality?

One example of compromise is the physically challenged person who cannot punch above their weight - they cannot have sex with someone they cannot attract. And nor do they have access to the pool of personality options that may be ideal for them.

They will sometimes have to settle for the unattractive option, who also they don't care about their personality at all. As long as the have someone to have sex with. They must compromise their ideal in both sense: physical attractiveness and personality.

Your teacher ignores the reality also, that, primary drivers for relationship are often based on things like:
Shelter: share the rent/buy house
Breeding: family asap
Status and trophies
Impress/conform with family
Loneliness: companionship
Hormones/diminishing hormones: younger or older, priorities change
Physical attractiveness: generally people must punch their own weight: if they aren't attractive, they cannot get attractive

Don't mean to state the obvious. It's actually the case that it is something that I am thinking more about in conjunction with my astrology journey.

posted January 03, 2023 08:33 PM            

This is such a complex synastry with 2 complex people that it is impossible to grasp all details and some important ones might be missed.

Instead, I must do a broad sweep, and grasp things that jump out only. disclaimer: I am def no expert lol.

The first thing I pick out is these yods. First, as Jupiter is involved in both, this can be a whirlwind that will run away with you both, and you will burn out fast. The reason I say this is because the rest of the synastry is sensitive, and complex, and requires steady and slow unravelling. These Jupiter yods have a great potential (and will, I dare say) undo the process of the foundation-building necessary, to support the longevity of this relationship.

The second yod, the boomerang yod that I mentioned is important, as the yod energy is boomeranging to his Moon - which basically brings an intense focus to his Moon (you'll have to look up these patterns for more info, there's no room here).

How is his Moon coping with this? What becomes his character because of this?

In his natal chart, his Moon is in not too bad condition - he does have good personal stability and confidence. Nevertheless, we all feel strained sometimes, and, with this yod it will test his emotional resolve. Your Sun provides a lot of support to his Moon, and he will naturally turn to/lean on you, for more stability and certainty the Moon will naturally look for under the strain of this yod. This is beautiful because, he is not a wet blanket, dependent child-man, but is able to depend, in a healthy way, on his woman partner.

Will and you provide the support? Yes you will and can (so far that is.. caveat: it could be days/weeks until I get to any nitty-gritty challenges of this synastry).

First, given that your Venus's are trine, and it is his Venus that challenges his Moon, and that is most troubling for him: self esteem issues, being restless and unsure and insecure about trusting his feelings, lacking confidence.

Second, also that your Sun (which is conjunct his Moon) has the Neptune aspect: you love him and have great compassion and understanding of his insecurities and fears. This is simply beautiful and, IMO a spiritually higher love.

Additionally and importantly, there is enough grit in the aspects to keep a Leo and Gemini excited, challenged, and interested in each other. And, it's broad interest: it's high charged sexual, as well as romantic soft, and gushy, lovie specialness.

Underscoring this "higher love" further, is that through his (Virgo) Venus, he supports your (Taurus) Venus.. he understands intuitively, that you struggle a bit too, to trust relationships. There really is a great deal of empathy and mirroring between you both with what I see so far.

Further, these Venuses are both connected to Chiron "The Healer" in deep, uncanny and and multitude of ways. First, his Venus in your Chiron's sign, which is Virgo (the healer) - your Chiron (the healer) is in it's own sign. There is emphasis here then on understanding each other and healing and repairing and also, that you both are consciously aware of these pathways available to work on healing (some people aren't they just muddle around in life unconscious of such things). Healing is central to both of your characters and lives (see more below).

Additionally and remarkably, it is possible here to rest with each other, and permit the relationship to love and grow and to heal over past wounds, because Chiron will not play the painful push and pull game here, that it can play to poor Venus when there are challenges between the two signs. These channels are wide open and one of the most beautiful channels of real love - see more below.

A further focus here on yods, Chiron and healing, is the fact that you both have yods in your natal charts. A further focus here on healing, is that he has a boomerang yod in his own chart, that "slings" back to Chiron in his own chart. Who is this guy, lol. Is he a hippy, lol. Some kind of self professed shaman?

But, we find Venus connected to your Chirons again here: his "trapped" Chiron in his yod had a beautiful channel out to your Venus, and (holy crap), his freaking Venus is on your Mars at the apex of your yod CONJUNCT your Mars (wait for it) aaaand his Mars - because your Marses are conjunct wtf.

Can someone say decades of tantric sexual healing to follow, please? And I say decades, because the longevity is there. This guy, while vulnerable, is no shrinking violent. You are super strong too. You can both handle what is to follow together.

What I have said so far about his Moon, your Venuses, and Chiron is plenty to open the channels towards lovely emotional intimacy between you both. this is enough to convince me that this relationship is compelled to proceed.

There is a lot more to say.. but that's it for me at the moment as I am getting tired and must make sure to look carefully at charts when not tired.

posted January 03, 2023 10:01 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Hi LilyIris07!

This is such a complex synastry with 2 complex people that it is impossible to grasp all details and some important ones might be missed.

Instead, I must do a broad sweep, and grasp things that jump out only. disclaimer: I am def no expert lol.

The first thing I pick out is these yods. First, as Jupiter is involved in both, this can be a whirlwind that will run away with you both, and you will burn out fast. The reason I say this is because the rest of the synastry is sensitive, and complex, and requires steady and slow unravelling. These Jupiter yods have a great potential (and will, I dare say) undo the process of the foundation-building necessary, to support the longevity of this relationship.

The second yod, the boomerang yod that I mentioned is important, as the yod energy is boomeranging to his Moon - which basically brings an intense focus to his Moon (you'll have to look up these patterns for more info, there's no room here).

How is his Moon coping with this? What becomes his character because of this?

In his natal chart, his Moon is in not too bad condition - he does have good personal stability and confidence. Nevertheless, we all feel strained sometimes, and, with this yod it will test his emotional resolve. Your Sun provides a lot of support to his Moon, and he will naturally turn to/lean on you, for more stability and certainty the Moon will naturally look for under the strain of this yod. This is beautiful because, he is not a wet blanket, dependent child-man, but is able to depend, in a healthy way, on his woman partner.

Will and you provide the support? Yes you will and can (so far that is.. caveat: it could be days/weeks until I get to any nitty-gritty challenges of this synastry).

First, given that your Venus's are trine, and it is his Venus that challenges his Moon, and that is most troubling for him: self esteem issues, being restless and unsure and insecure about trusting his feelings, lacking confidence.

Second, also that your Sun (which is conjunct his Moon) has the Neptune aspect: you love him and have great compassion and understanding of his insecurities and fears. This is simply beautiful and, IMO a spiritually higher love.

Additionally and importantly, there is enough grit in the aspects to keep a Leo and Gemini excited, challenged, and interested in each other. And, it's broad interest: it's high charged sexual, as well as romantic soft, and gushy, lovie specialness.

Underscoring this "higher love" further, is that through his (Virgo) Venus, he supports your (Taurus) Venus.. he understands intuitively, that you struggle a bit too, to trust relationships. There really is a great deal of empathy and mirroring between you both with what I see so far.

Further, these Venuses are both connected to Chiron "The Healer" in deep, uncanny and and multitude of ways. First, his Venus in your Chiron's sign, which is Virgo (the healer) - your Chiron (the healer) is in it's own sign. There is emphasis here then on understanding each other and healing and repairing and also, that you both are consciously aware of these pathways available to work on healing (some people aren't they just muddle around in life unconscious of such things). Healing is central to both of your characters and lives (see more below).

Additionally and remarkably, it is possible here to rest with each other, and permit the relationship to love and grow and to heal over past wounds, because Chiron will not play the painful push and pull game here, that it can play to poor Venus when there are challenges between the two signs. These channels are wide open and one of the most beautiful channels of real love - see more below.

A further focus here on yods, Chiron and healing, is the fact that you both have yods in your natal charts. A further focus here on healing, is that he has a boomerang yod in his own chart, that "slings" back to Chiron in his own chart. Who is this guy, lol. Is he a hippy, lol. Some kind of self professed shaman?
Haha, I mean we are both on a sort of spiritual path but I wouldn't say he's a shaman haha - he's a musician actually; does gigs and stuff, and I think he wants to be a music teacher in china at some point.

But, we find Venus connected to your Chirons again here: his "trapped" Chiron in his yod had a beautiful channel out to your Venus, and (holy crap), his freaking Venus is on your Mars at the apex of your yod CONJUNCT your Mars (wait for it) aaaand his Mars - because your Marses are conjunct wtf.

Can someone say decades of tantric sexual healing to follow, please? And I say decades, because the longevity is there. This guy, while vulnerable, is no shrinking violent. You are super strong too. You can both handle what is to follow together.

What I have said so far about his Moon, your Venuses, and Chiron is plenty to open the channels towards lovely emotional intimacy between you both. this is enough to convince me that this relationship is compelled to proceed.

There is a lot more to say.. but that's it for me at the moment as I am getting tired and must make sure to look carefully at charts when not tired.

I'll be back sometime soon..

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I really appreciate all this detail doll! I feel as if he likes me, something in me is like 'hm, I think he likes me" even though I am not sure.

I am warming up to him; but I am honestly not sure about really liking him yet, sometimes when I talk to him something small about our interaction irkes me a little bit, but I cannot put my finger on it.

I like that he is a little older than me, and at least can understand all the things I have been through. I think we have both had it pretty rough - at the moment I can see us dating perhaps, but I don't know if I can see it being super long-term.

But that might be because I am still in love with someone else, who feels deeply for me but is not on the same level of me in terms of maturity; or he just hasn't suffered enough lol. So, perhaps I am just not fully open to it yet.

posted January 03, 2023 11:05 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Hello again

You know, the issue with theory, which includes our love for astrology, is that reality is often quite a different matter.

Your teacher is overlooking the reality of life, in that, the odds of finding the perfect person is low. Given this, people will more often than not, compromise on their ideal personal relationship.

This is why relationships, in reality, are a real (Libra) compromise. Is there wisdom in Libra who perhaps ironically, as an air sign, understands that relationships are actually grounded in practicality?

One example of compromise is the physically challenged person who cannot punch above their weight - they cannot have sex with someone they cannot attract. And nor do they have access to the pool of personality options that may be ideal for them.

They will sometimes have to settle for the unattractive option, who also they don't care about their personality at all. As long as the have someone to have sex with. They must compromise their ideal in both sense: physical attractiveness and personality.

Your teacher ignores the reality also, that, primary drivers for relationship are often based on things like:
Shelter: share the rent/buy house
Breeding: family asap
Status and trophies
Impress/conform with family
Loneliness: companionship
Hormones/diminishing hormones: younger or older, priorities change
Physical attractiveness: generally people must punch their own weight: if they aren't attractive, they cannot get attractive

Don't mean to state the obvious. It's actually the case that it is something that I am thinking more about in conjunction with my astrology journey.

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sassaqua,

I don't think she ignores anything. She is a PhD researcher and speaks from going through countless of charts and considers herself a student of Liz Greene, Arroyo, and Dawn Bodrogi. She is now even the go-to astrologer of my non-beliving friends. even her pregnancy predictions are spot on. Although she rarely accepts prediction orders.

That being said, every person is free to develop their own view of chart interpretation if they can validate it.

On the other hand, a lot of times ambiguity in astrology chart interpretation will lead to wasting the valuable time and other resources of the person who asked, on something that's not worth it at all. Bad astrologers are one of the biggest scams of the century.

posted January 03, 2023 11:20 PM            

no worries at all. It's fascinating.

Thanks again for the feedback, and the context.

I never look at people's age. What is the age difference?

His Venus is right on your Descendent. If your TOB are correct... which, usually they are not.

The irk might be the warning that is necessary: I reckon take this one slow. Because Jupiter is tempting you in with hope and Jupiter is about fools rushing in.

But, there are some weird bits, it's true. And they may be too weird, and may prevent moving forward (depending on how good looking you both are, lol):

Marses conjunct (always weird).
His node is in your 12H house. I speculate this could be irksome.
While your Venuses are quite linked, both of your Venuses are on your own SNs.
His SN on his Mars - exact.
His SN on his Mars, and conjunct your Mars..WHICH is at the apex of your yod (boom, boom, boom - this will be a big weird).
His Mars and Venus tied up with SN, Jupiter, Neptune, Uranus - could mean that sex is a large focus in his life and he enjoys the seduction process and sleeping with many.... you may feel like he's coming for you next.
However, like you, these outer planets are retrograde

Q. is he extroverted person or introverted?

A quick glance at the composite and it only gets more interesting ... my goodness.

At this stage, it's interesting to note the following:
While your Marses are conjunct, and conjunct the composite chart of course, the actual composite mars is unaspected
Your Chiron is conjunct the composite Jupiter - exact
Your Chiron (conjunct the composite Jupiter) is almost forming a yod, and it would've been a boomerang rod, bouncing back to the composite Chiron
Your natal Jupiter almost forms a yod on the other end...
Sun on the SN; nodes better supported here
Not a love stellium because Merc is too wide - but, Sun/Ven is great and then to Moon is lovely..
Saturns a bit nasty to all Mercuries - the comp and both natal Mercuries
....

posted January 03, 2023 11:25 PM            

yes, I totally agree. Reading charts is tricky. Including ethically, when people who come for readings are possibly in a vulnerable or impressionable state.

Re your teacher, I'm sorry, I was not referring to "your teacher" specifically. I was referring to the trouble with theoretical models, generally.

Sorry, I didn't make that clear

Do you have anything more to say about the synastry here? I for one would be interested in another's perspective. It's quite an interesting dynamic here.