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doommlord
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posted May 29, 2013 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i must ask.

if the list is meaningless wh did you study so many degrees?

i understand that degrees are keys to the start of the process but one must credit them for being at least that also enlightening at times.

the question is always where one wants to reach and according to that equation we can know how much work is needed and if that is possible.

i never said anything about paycheck though....im trying not to count the paycheck as part of the job entry and instead ofocus on getting the "specific" job and not the benefeits that follow.

and you forgot one thing....we always need luck

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posted May 29, 2013 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by doommlord:
i must ask.

if the list is meaningless wh did you study so many degrees?

i understand that degrees are keys to the start of the process but one must credit them for being at least that also enlightening at times.

the question is always where one wants to reach and according to that equation we can know how much work is needed and if that is possible.

i never said anything about paycheck though....im trying not to count the paycheck as part of the job entry and instead ofocus on getting the "specific" job and not the benefeits that follow.

and you forgot one thing....we always need luck


My BA/MA in Economics. It was solely to appease my parents. I did both in the time it normally take to do a Bachelor's degree. The joint degree saved time, and it also did crap for me in getting my first job. For all intensive purposes, my "Masters" degree was considered worthless and no better than a guy without the Masters since it wasn't an MBA.

My second MBA/MIA was another joint degree program at the invitation of my institution. Being an alum didn't hurt. Having had academic success didn't hurt either. I was given academic scholarship and it was essentially half off in the tuition. I also bulldozed my way through school, completing two Masters degrees in the time it takes to complete one Masters degree. Once again, my employers couldn't give a sh1t about the other degrees. The only degree that mattered was my MBA. Grades didn't matter either.

I did my other certifications because I had to and was forced to. I hate studying and would never crack open a book if I'm not forced to. I hate reading in general. I prefer to sit on the beach.

But when I was forced to study, I got all As, and only As. My kids are not allowed to bring home anything other than all As.

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posted May 29, 2013 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
now i get a better picture.

you are an achiever i see and the thing is you chose a filed in which nothing but an MBA was needed and other degrees were considered useless and so i see why you see a degree as a useless thing (and learning too).

if, for example, you were a physician i think the situation would require constant learning and specialising or exapnding in the field and going through such process was as valuable as much as experience (which is often included) and skill.

i will say that you chose a field in which you can express your skills with far less emphasis on the use of education (it being fairly symbolic for you it seems....appeasing the parents....appeasing the workplace....) and far more on ones skill and ability to handle the job ( i guess your job must be a bit demanding)

tell me.
will you send your children to college? does it depend on what they want to do in life for a career?

i for myself am quite interested in reading and learning XD and i am planning to take a route that will probably reqire much learning and specialisation....and im planning to study even beyound that....just cause im interested.

then again....i dont see myself the business type....been said to have "management skills" if only i truly knew what that meant....and studying it was a bore (got a peak into the world of industrial engieering and management during HS)

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posted May 29, 2013 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by doommlord:
now i get a better picture.

you are an achiever i see and the thing is you chose a filed in which nothing but an MBA was needed and other degrees were considered useless and so i see why you see a degree as a useless thing (and learning too).

if, for example, you were a physician i think the situation would require constant learning and specialising or exapnding in the field and going through such process was as valuable as much as experience (which is often included) and skill.

i will say that you chose a field in which you can express your skills with far less emphasis on the use of education (it being fairly symbolic for you it seems....appeasing the parents....appeasing the workplace....) and far more on ones skill and ability to handle the job ( i guess your job must be a bit demanding)

tell me.
will you send your children to college? does it depend on what they want to do in life for a career?

i for myself am quite interested in reading and learning XD and i am planning to take a route that will probably reqire much learning and specialisation....and im planning to study even beyound that....just cause im interested.

then again....i dont see myself the business type....been said to have "management skills" if only i truly knew what that meant....and studying it was a bore (got a peak into the world of industrial engieering and management during HS)


My 17 year old son is headed to college next year. His first choice is Yale, and second choice is Columbia. In addition to his primary field of study of pre-medicine, he will also study music (violin and piano). He makes his own choices as to what to study.

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posted May 29, 2013 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
My 17 year old son is headed to college next year. His first choice is Yale, and second choice is Columbia. In addition to his primary field of study of pre-medicine, he will also study music (violin and piano). He makes his own choices as to what to study.

Would you recommend him the path of business? To work where you do?

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posted May 29, 2013 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Would you recommend him the path of business? To work where you do?


Hahaha... absolutely not!

I hate what I do for a living with a passion lol

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posted May 29, 2013 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hahaha... absolutely not!

I hate what I do for a living with a passion lol


I would imagine XD i never saw any joy in business.

If you had an option? Would you have taken another path? Even though i doubt you regret the life you have.

Doesent important executives often retire early from burnout?

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posted May 29, 2013 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I would imagine XD i never saw any joy in business.

If you had an option? Would you have taken another path? Even though i doubt you regret the life you have.

Doesent important executives often retire early from burnout?


If I had a choice, I would be a stay-at-home Dad. There is no other job in the world I desire more.

The successful ones don't burn out. We want to rule the world. Failure and giving up are not part of my vocabulary.

Only the weak ones and the wimps retire early.

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posted May 29, 2013 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
If I had a choice, I would be a stay-at-home Dad. There is no other job in the world I desire more.

The successful ones don't burn out. We want to rule the world. Failure and giving up are not part of my vocabulary.

Only the weak ones and the wimps retire early.


You make me laugh, YTA!

During the time of the market troubles in the early 80s I worked as a temp for two stock brokerages. One company used the Bunker-Ramo system, and the other used Quotron (now THAT'S how LONG ago it was! PCs had just started entering the office-scene, but only a few knew how to program them.)

I could do every single job on the stock brokerage floor at the time, including the "Cage"... One firm fought to hire me as a coordinator between their brokers, the cage, and customers because I was naturally able to smooth misunderstandings and solve communication problems among the three.

When "money" is involved, personal problems in relationships can be heightened, sensitive, and intense. Since I had spent a handful of years in their group, yet still considered an outsider (consulting), I was in the correct position to effect "cures" in their flow of things...

The job-position was being newly created in this company for me, when SUDDENLY, a "job freeze" hit our geographic region. My job offer got frozen...

A few years later, they wanted to train me to become a broker for them--- Gave me an offer complete with my first client account to work with, BUT with this stipulation: I had to delay 'starting my family' for at least one year...

Arrrg, I was sooo torn! My biological clock was ticking LOUDLY. I was in my late twenties, and had married someone who wanted some babies as badly as I did. Well, it was a good thing that I decided to turn down the offer from the firm--- because I was pregnant and didn't know it yet....

I've worked for some of the richest people in the world. Worked for the top #2 broker for the industry 'in the WORLD' for one of those years. I "understand" high monies and high stakes. My husband had also delved into this kind of world. (It was scary for me to watch, and later, his downfall.)

It's like using spices... the amount you deal with can drastically change the quality of the experience, like salt. When you add a GREAT amount of salt, it turns into a whole different flavor. It can burn your gut, and make you puke.

St Paul in the NT Bible said -- you gotta learn how to be rich, and how to be poor...and learn to be happy either way. Money can 'change' the people you love.

Learn to find your identity separate from things and money. Learn 'who' you are apart from your monetary riches, and you could uncover who you really are. THEN, you'll know what you want. You'll have your priorities straight, and you'll know 'how' to use and handle that money freely flowing from your hands.


My dad was very practical and wise with his sons. He taught them skills with carpentry, electrical, and fixing cars. No matter "what" educational goals my bros chose to pursue in life, they always had "a skill" they could fall back on for money. One brother's education and dream took him all over Europe. In the leaner times, when he was between contracts in his art, he'd swung a hammer for the local folks, and did home repairs and carpentry finishing work.

I never "finished" my college degrees... Had come within one semester of graduating when disaster SUDDENLY swiped it all away. I had taken "typing" in high school to save time in doing college work. This typing skill ALSO allowed me to get office jobs as a temp. Through tempwork I natural aptitude picked up on methods in 'office systems,' which made me a good problem solver on the jobs wherever I went. Some companies would deliberately "look" for MORE work for me to do, in order to keep me off the job market!

I had GOOD work ethics and deep personal values. They trusted me, and had confidence that I would not steal from them. I took good personal care of their clients and the employees. I served with honor, dignity, and integrity. Thing is? I made some people a hoard of money at the most minimal cost to them-- I know NOW (hindsight) that I was taken advantage of, and should have been compensated better.... I was savvy in the office, but NOT savvy about conducting my own personal best interests. ...Oh well, nobody really 'knew' me! That's the "tuition" I paid in the hard school of knocks.... and I'm passing 'whatever' hazards and warnings along to you now... but also, it's a NEW time and day for this generation.... Things are 'different' yet I wonder what has 'stayed the same'?

I just hope that your fathers, mothers, and mentors can "protect" you. I was rogue, with an indomitable hope and a clear team-spirit and orientation. Sag-ascendant...! Sheesh, and yep, they can get "taken advantage" of in life.... Need good mentors! The SagASC's needs to be able to ASK for what they are worth and not be giving all away for free....
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posted May 30, 2013 01:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
If I had a choice, I would be a stay-at-home Dad. There is no other job in the world I desire more.

The successful ones don't burn out. We want to rule the world. Failure and giving up are not part of my vocabulary.

Only the weak ones and the wimps retire early.


on one side a stay at home dad...then again you wont to rule the world... which one is better?

people retire from many reasons so id rarely call one weak for retiring.

anyways what will owning a world help you? XD

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posted May 30, 2013 01:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(clip) Pinky and the Brain promo [0:49] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=tA-IOkgvmZs&NR=1

(clip) Pinky and the Brain meet Bill Gates [1:07] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyGY8AuS7rU

(clip) A Meticulous Analysis of History (Pinky&Brain) [4:31] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9aYrURLHh0

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posted May 30, 2013 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by doommlord:
on one side a stay at home dad...then again you wont to rule the world... which one is better?

people retire from many reasons so id rarely call one weak for retiring.

anyways what will owning a world help you? XD


I was joking! Didn't you get it?

I want to be a stay-at-home Dad badly. But someone has to make the money, and the family is very expensive to run. If you can pay my bills, feed me well, I much rather sit on the beach and do nothing.

But I still want to rule the world

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posted May 30, 2013 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I got the reference.

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oh ive read about him...at least that hore was an honest priest...thouhg he could be bribed with food!

thats the thing i went to a field that is very restricted here...few people are allowed to study it to masters so usually the emplyment chance is higher and employment rates are considered positive ^^


Good for you DL!!!you have the answer to your question, for you, yes it is worth it to get a degree, as not many people have it, it is restricted, and there is a real career without job placement competition in it!

ummm have you seen what people could be bribed with these days!??? not even tangible stuff....at least that horse had standards

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posted May 30, 2013 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For college students... ref

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"Young Adults, Mental Health, and Social Media" (article) by Tina Rezvani, posted March 20, 2013

my post http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/003183.html

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posted June 30, 2013 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Retiring doesn't have to mean inactive.

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I agree with YTA when he says it's about performance, experience, and your relationship with the boss/hiring decision maker.

I am in the careers industry and I work with senior executives from major companies (Sony, Nestle, Disney, Dell, Nike, etc.) and I would say that only about 30% of of my former clients hold degrees in their field. Another 10-20% hold degrees but in something unrelated. That leaves about half of the bunch without a degree at all.

I've been in this business for more than a decade, so I feel like I have a fair sample to review to make these statements.

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posted July 26, 2013 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nothing speaks as well as experience.

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posted July 27, 2013 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
School starts August 12th for fall.

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posted July 28, 2013 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A little nervous, since it's the Master's program and classes are really small.

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posted July 30, 2013 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ What are you getting your Master's degree in, Randall?

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posted July 30, 2013 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I was joking! Didn't you get it?

I want to be a stay-at-home Dad badly. But someone has to make the money, and the family is very expensive to run. If you can pay my bills, feed me well, I much rather sit on the beach and do nothing.

But I still want to rule the world


Hmmm, let me see? Maybe we could find a way to fit it all together...?

Borrowing your stem words: 'If you can pay my bill, feed me well, I would with every fiber of my Being engage myself in the work to FIND some SOLUTIONS to a specific forgotten neglected monster GLOBAL problem that dares and defies 'fixing' -- in this world.... That could make it a "better" world to WANT to rule, YTA!

Of course, then graciously, I would still bring you and me and everyone those slices of watermellons in the right season, and drinks there at the ocean's edge... with a shaker of salt!

Here's a song for the longing to 'hold' a dream that seems passed and lost....

(music) Loving Arms (Dixie Chicks) [3:30] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcostCWCk9g

(music) Margaritaville (Ocean-vue) (Jimmy Buffet) [4:20] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCcXqFCMSbo

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posted July 31, 2013 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Human Resource Management

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^ What are you getting your Master's degree in, Randall?

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posted August 01, 2013 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It will complement a law degree.

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