posted May 22, 2013 01:47 PM            

On one hand certain fields allow you to reach very high places with only skill alone and the degrees are more of a symbolic status than actual training (computers and business for example) but some are really degree dependant.

I myself am going to get a masters (or il burn down hell) and hav been thinking on an Phd...

But then again is it easier to get degrees today? Or harder? Especially the higher degrees.

posted May 23, 2013 11:23 AM            

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posted May 23, 2013 12:15 PM              

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Originally posted by doommlord:
I have heard that saying quite a lot XD

On one hand certain fields allow you to reach very high places with only skill alone and the degrees are more of a symbolic status than actual training (computers and business for example) but some are really degree dependant.

I myself am going to get a masters (or il burn down hell) and hav been thinking on an Phd...

But then again is it easier to get degrees today? Or harder? Especially the higher degrees.

Did anyone study a degree ONLY in order to have a high-income job? Or is learning for fun/interest hs died already? XD

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These days degrees are very important, i know people who have more than 20 years experience in what they do, but without a degree, they can't move ahead get promoted or anything so are going back to university while working just to get it.

With a masters, even more doors are open for you, but it has become a kind of 'prestige' thing to...like people getting their masters not because they want to advance their career, but simply because they know it's a status thing....but with this to, if you ever want to relocate and live elsewhere other countries are more open to accepting foreigners with Master degrees than they are to someone who will compete with their local population where a lot hold a bachelors degree of some sort...

with a phd though, there is no doubt you love what you do, and that you will offer quality (i don't think todays uni's in many countries offer the same quality of education they did before, as many are just money hungry these days) and are even more of an asset to any company willing to hire you.

posted May 23, 2013 12:42 PM            

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Originally posted by jellyfishtry:
These days degrees are very important, i know people who have more than 20 years experience in what they do, but without a degree, they can't move ahead get promoted or anything so are going back to university while working just to get it.

With a masters, even more doors are open for you, but it has become a kind of 'prestige' thing to...like people getting their masters not because they want to advance their career, but simply because they know it's a status thing....but with this to, if you ever want to relocate and live elsewhere other countries are more open to accepting foreigners with Master degrees than they are to someone who will compete with their local population where a lot hold a bachelors degree of some sort...

with a phd though, there is no doubt you love what you do, and that you will offer quality (i don't think todays uni's in many countries offer the same quality of education they did before, as many are just money hungry these days) and are even more of an asset to any company willing to hire you.

okay this was wordy but hope it helped!

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Im askin cause i started thinking about the subject when reaching the end of high school and even though i have 4 years untill i reach higher education i am still interested.

From what i have seen many times a masters degree is not much of a "door opener" and at some places a degree might not be needed at all!

I do hope that a high degree can get one to a better country since i am interested in living somewhere in europe (france maybe) and want to be able to do that.

posted May 23, 2013 01:25 PM              

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Im askin cause i started thinking about the subject when reaching the end of high school and even though i have 4 years untill i reach higher education i am still interested.

From what i have seen many times a masters degree is not much of a "door opener" and at some places a degree might not be needed at all!

I do hope that a high degree can get one to a better country since i am interested in living somewhere in europe (france maybe) and want to be able to do that.

Did you get degrees? On what subjects? You did that out of interest in the field? And was the material truly interesting for you?

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Very good questions! Bleh my degrees are in Finance and Accounting, i had to relocate countries half way through studying, and the uni i transferred to had no humanity at all neither psychology or sociology or linguistics or anything like that, so am like "okay i can't do what i like, i'll just go to where the money is"
....that and i really love maths...i actually spent nights just doing the exercises at the end of chapters whether it was required material or not, because i'd get a kick out of that for some bizarre reason...specially when you 'figure it out' and no longer feel stupid lol

as for the degree..it does help big time with jobs, as a lot of people want a job with a financial institution but haven't got the slightest clue what they're doing if they get in.
And i agree with you about some degrees....am sorry but the uni i transferred to Marketing was where all the plagiarizers of the future were graduating from, and management was really all you do is memorize a book and come and recite that, even the 'projects' where like what you expect from a high school student...but it was spoilt rich brats school so that is expcted....in the first university, not many people would study business, and a degree is a must if you are going to study medicine or engineering or biochemistry or the like...

posted May 23, 2013 07:31 PM            

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Very good questions! Bleh my degrees are in Finance and Accounting, i had to relocate countries half way through studying, and the uni i transferred to had no humanity at all neither psychology or sociology or linguistics or anything like that, so am like "okay i can't do what i like, i'll just go to where the money is"
....that and i really love maths...i actually spent nights just doing the exercises at the end of chapters whether it was required material or not, because i'd get a kick out of that for some bizarre reason...specially when you 'figure it out' and no longer feel stupid lol

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jellyfishtry... awww, how cute! I would do things like that too! Would find 'mistakes' and tell the teacher... Some teachers didn't give a crap, others praised. (And when teachers made errors on chalkboard, I'd point that out, too! [sag-asc know-it-all? no! they were teaching the wrong thing! ] Some loved it-- and others would call my parents and complain that I was 'embarrassing them' in front of the class. My 'rents weren't overly supportive of me, but they didn't 'hassle' me about those kinds of teachers, heh!)

There may be an over-emphasis on sciences and business right now.... Has a whiff of training strict 'obedience' into the generations. This is a red flag to me. Students need to know that this is happening... and the lure or bait is 'money'--

I would say that people are going to need to learn how to "relate to others" in this world, and how to relax (recreate) to heal and know their own body mind and soul.

The Expressive Arts could become especially important? If you have talents in this area, this ability could be used. There's a need to help bridge gaps between people (relationships to others). Art and music are a universal language. Helps to understand cultures... Adds Beauty for the refreshment of the Soul.

In humanities, you absorb lessons about teamwork-- and following a leader. Learn 'who you are' in relation to 'others'... It touches and intersects with the nonlocal collective. Obtain hunches about trends, and how to heal what ails. A 'Whole' and healthy people make a happier and more productive world Society.

I went to school for psychology (the mind), accidently added music (for my soul), and studied anything to do with the sky (astrophysics for non-math majors, to climatology).

Astrophysics classes were unique and out of the 'humanities' but always I found the way to 'blow my mind'... about the 'creativity' in the universe. It's so vast, layers in layers, wheels in wheels-- telescoping boxes and symbolism to stretch out what I 'thought' I knew.

I was very WELL on my way to applied research in psychology, and interested in the psychology of sound & performance & learning; the philosophy department was offering me a 'teaching fellowship' if I would agree to get my advanced degree in their department. The music professors urged me to go on into Composition (but I lacked confidence).

I published an independent 48-page research paper on the topic of Synaesthesia, and got offers to contribute from there...

But I had a GRIEVIOUS private violent interruption in my life, standing ONLY one semester away from two BAs... (irrecoverable now! That was 1973-1977.)

I had kept "silent" about serious conditions in my home life. I feared. A few outside older people picked up on the fact that I needed to move, immediately. They didn't know I had gone to the counseling program at the university that month, and was advised to just 'get away' for the summer, and find recreation for myself-- come back in the Fall that year. But even the university never knew 'what' was happening. I was WAY too "good" at 'keeping my mouth shut'....

And I CONTINUED to stay Silent, thinking I would climb above all of it.... BY MYSELF, there was always "another chance." But even though 'chances' came, and STILL being a VERY independent person, I kept trying to build on a "faulty" foundation. I did not have a "secure-base," inside nor outside... There was no where to go where people knew me, or understood what I needed or wanted. I would get to a level of "success" and then it would ALL break away. My 'false' foundation would collapse from under me...

You see, the people who were part of the 'help system' you go to, were corrupt. I went to for help, ended up falling victim over and over again to people who 'abused' their 'positions'... (Luck? whoah!!) I was an "open and vulnerable" person, who was taken advantage of for 'their' benefit. My resilience and persevering spirit worked against me. It's good to be tough, but NOT when the circumstance is wrong and you are blind to it.

I "failed" to build a SOLID base--- Had NO idea "how" to do this for myself, since it takes wise and knowing MENTORS to deliver one to such a place. I deserved (and still deserve) to be helped.

So I say this, in order to bring attention to the fact that YOU (as student of LIFE) need to get other people's INVOLVEMENT and investment into your life. You need to be cultivated. You don't succeed with "just" needing a job, or career, or the right certificates or degrees-- you NEED personal support too, or the floor could give out from under your footing in life.

Today, we need to build Community. Young people, and (older life-learners) need experienced-others who will surround you, mentor you, be a shield to you while you're developing. Becoming a secure-person is the best step towards building a successful life and weathering its storms--- The storms are a promise, and will happen to EACH one. But when you're securely part of a Community, and you learn who you are, and find out what you can 'do', you will be doing what you love. These all help with saving and preserving lives, and so, our world.

I went to school during a time that Uranus conjuncted Jupiter in Cancer, and Neptune was in Libra, with Pluto in Leo. We went to SCHOOL for an EDUCATION.... If you wanted a "job" you went to a Trade-School. People need to be trained on "how to think".... The Corporations or Foundations who hired you would further-train in what they needed. Your first strategy was to get a broad education. THEY were the ones who "developed" you from there... But I guess things are "different" now... (Don't know enough to address 'that' right now... wait and see.)

In my day, if you wanted to be "a writer," you took courses to educate your self about subject matters you wanted to write ABOUT... English classes provided tools-- craft. If you want to write, you need to write ABOUT "something"... --- That's where education becomes golden!

Very best of Luck to you all....

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[ We went to SCHOOL for an EDUCATION.... If you wanted a "job" you went to a Trade-School. People need to be trained on "how to think".... The Corporations or Foundations who hired you would further-train in what they needed. Your first strategy was to get a broad education. THEY were the ones who "developed" you from there... But I guess things are "different" now... (Don't know enough to address 'that' right now... wait and see.)

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Very well written Mirage29, and quite some food for thought in a lot of what you said.

I also think u said exactly what the problem is these days, basically that 'education' has lost its soul, and its purpose to.

posted May 24, 2013 09:58 AM            

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Originally posted by jellyfishtry:
Very good questions! Bleh my degrees are in Finance and Accounting, i had to relocate countries half way through studying, and the uni i transferred to had no humanity at all neither psychology or sociology or linguistics or anything like that, so am like "okay i can't do what i like, i'll just go to where the money is"
....that and i really love maths...i actually spent nights just doing the exercises at the end of chapters whether it was required material or not, because i'd get a kick out of that for some bizarre reason...specially when you 'figure it out' and no longer feel stupid lol

as for the degree..it does help big time with jobs, as a lot of people want a job with a financial institution but haven't got the slightest clue what they're doing if they get in.
And i agree with you about some degrees....am sorry but the uni i transferred to Marketing was where all the plagiarizers of the future were graduating from, and management was really all you do is memorize a book and come and recite that, even the 'projects' where like what you expect from a high school student...but it was spoilt rich brats school so that is expcted....in the first university, not many people would study business, and a degree is a must if you are going to study medicine or engineering or biochemistry or the like...

As for a higher degree, don't worry i was told that and from what i know it's true, it would be worth it for you to cross the ocean and get an MBA from one of the top ten universities in the US (we can't deny this is where the best MBA programs are)...and they do make it so much easier for foreign students than locals to get in these programs as i think you pay more money...otherwise France is Awesome, i'd go for INSEAD if you ever go there for an MBA and they still are what they were like 2 years ago

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Wow i have a friend here who plans to study accounting i should guve her a link to the thread XD

Sounds like a big journy you made but i do hope you are enjoying or are at least interested in what you do (and get good $)

I have studied business at school and was even offered a long-term program to lead me to an MBA but business is not for me (even though i was said to have the skills)

I myself am looking for masters/phd in one field of psychology or the other.

posted May 24, 2013 10:09 AM            

I myself dont agree much on the basis that humanities will teach people on how to be a community but instead teach them thinking skills and general knowledge that might open the mind.

I dont think ANY field should be emphasised in particular (humanities,social sciences,sciences,engineering) since every person is interested in different thing and should not sacrifice his wants for a filed that is considered better (shocking how many teens i talked with are planning on studying engineering or business administration just for the cash)

I never heard much of the research field you studied but it seems like a wonderfull combination for your degrees.

posted May 24, 2013 10:18 AM            

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Originally posted by jellyfishtry:
Very well written Mirage29, and quite some food for thought in a lot of what you said.

I also think u said exactly what the problem is these days, basically that 'education' has lost its soul, and its purpose to.

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Actually i think the term education no longer applies to higher learning becuse if you look at it the universities are teaching certain knowledge and skill and not education (well maybe in small doses)

I think that education should come more from the parents side since they are the direct link to their childrens minds at young ages.

I dont really believe in giving that right to strangers who might have their own agendas.

And a bad example for education was a teacher who would come to our class and show us certain videos and films and talk to us about how it is "evolved" and "important" for us to lose interest in ourselves and be part of a community.

This was brougth in the mkst terrible preaching and munipulative manner bordering on brainwashing, not talking about the fact that he said that he as a teacher can force us to sit and listen to all that he wants us to listen to, and at times tried to threat students who didnt play along with him (me included).

posted May 24, 2013 10:21 AM              

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Originally posted by doommlord:

Wow i have a friend here who plans to study accounting i should guve her a link to the thread XD

Sounds like a big journy you made but i do hope you are enjoying or are at least interested in what you do (and get good $)

I have studied business at school and was even offered a long-term program to lead me to an MBA but business is not for me (even though i was said to have the skills)

I myself am looking for masters/phd in one field of psychology or the other.

I used to thiink about many subject but most fell out of lack of interest and some becuse you almost cant find a job in the field (i wanted to major in biology before but now il guess it will be a minor)

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heck i know a girl who cheated her way through college, was obnoxious got people to help her get some key jobs, at their own advancements expense, and then pulled some mean tricks on them....now she is the 'head' of her department for her area of the world in the bank she works in....so am never surprised when i read what banks do, it's like a 'really you just found out now?' thought runs in my head lol.

posted May 24, 2013 10:42 AM            

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Wow i have a friend here who plans to study accounting i should guve her a link to the thread XD

Sounds like a big journy you made but i do hope you are enjoying or are at least interested in what you do (and get good $)

I have studied business at school and was even offered a long-term program to lead me to an MBA but business is not for me (even though i was said to have the skills)

I myself am looking for masters/phd in one field of psychology or the other.

I used to thiink about many subject but most fell out of lack of interest and some becuse you almost cant find a job in the field (i wanted to major in biology before but now il guess it will be a minor)

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heck i know a girl who cheated her way through college, was obnoxious got people to help her get some key jobs, at their own advancements expense, and then pulled some mean tricks on them....now she is the 'head' of her department for her area of the world in the bank she works in....so am never surprised when i read what banks do, it's like a 'really you just found out now?' thought runs in my head lol.

thankfully money was no issue for me, but did end up working in the family business once again, and i don't even speak to my step side of the family , and am still doing the accounts but at least it's not a money related business...
so go for biology i say, because if you don't like what you do, no matter how good you are at it, u'll leave it eventually. we should take care of our souls and hearts not only mind and pocket (and it's like Mirage29 said, education is about becoming a whole round person really not finding a job at the end of the day, or at least it's how it was)
okay need nutrition as my posts are getting less and less cohesive by the second today hehehe[/B][/QUOTE]

Hehe i liked the twist in the story XD

That was actually a reason why i did not want to study things related to business....no foul competiton for me.

I am interested a lot in both biology and psychology (often reaching wikipedia tp read about ants or reading about thepsychology of dreams) so the choice is priblematic.

All else is not that interesting XD

The problem with biology is that it has no work here and i personally know a man who has masters in cdllular and molecular biology from a fancy school in europe and yet works here as a simple lab technician (that requires an easy to get technicians degree) which really does not stand up to how much he invested in study (also it was interesting and enligntening too not to forget)

posted May 24, 2013 11:11 AM              

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Originally posted by doommlord:
Hehe i liked the twist in the story XD

That was actually a reason why i did not want to study things related to business....no foul competiton for me.

I am interested a lot in both biology and psychology (often reaching wikipedia tp read about ants or reading about thepsychology of dreams) so the choice is priblematic.

All else is not that interesting XD

The problem with biology is that it has no work here and i personally know a man who has masters in cdllular and molecular biology from a fancy school in europe and yet works here as a simple lab technician (that requires an easy to get technicians degree) which really does not stand up to how much he invested in study (also it was interesting and enligntening too not to forget)

My other issue is that in psychology there is little room for students to get masters so its hard to get but i believe i do have a chance to get there if il work hard enough.

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Hahahah i have more twists for you (Am becoming like one of them annoying 'aaaand theeeen' movies lol) yep there is someone here who studied biochemistry and then after all the hard work as also graduated from one of the top 5 UK uni's noticed almost no money so went and got a Finance Masters and worked in that O_O

but you should know people who are ready to pull dirty tricks on you to advance both their lives and careers exist

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Hahahah i have more twists for you (Am becoming like one of them annoying 'aaaand theeeen' movies lol) yep there is someone here who studied biochemistry and then after all the hard work as also graduated from one of the top 5 UK uni's noticed almost no money so went and got a Finance Masters and worked in that O_O

but you should know people who are ready to pull dirty tricks on you to advance both their lives and careers exist

everywhere!EVERYWHERE!! uni is good in that you are forced to interact with so many people of so many different backgrounds usually so you have the skills to be even more 'street smart' than you already seem, as some will be good to you and some will devise formidable evil schemes to ruin your life, that will make any evil queen from walt disney eat her heart out for not coming up with it first....but it's okay as all is a learning experience at the end of the day....okay seriously need food....actually i'll live on fruit today mmmmm

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Wow i have heard about biochemistry but cant get thefull idea of what you learn and what you do there.

About the munipulations i admit i fell several times to munipukatuve people who used me but im glad the cost for the lesson wasnt too much?

About the career thing i believe that either lab work, working privatly with people or consultant/counselor work are the ones that fit me best.

Actually i had some of that in my sample astrolofy career report

posted May 24, 2013 12:34 PM              

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Originally posted by doommlord:
Wow i have heard about biochemistry but cant get thefull idea of what you learn and what you do there.

About the munipulations i admit i fell several times to munipukatuve people who used me but im glad the cost for the lesson wasnt too much?

About the career thing i believe that either lab work, working privatly with people or consultant/counselor work are the ones that fit me best.

Actually i had some of that in my sample astrolofy career report

Go eat im eating a salad as i write XD

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you make medicines if you studied biochemistry...however you only make money through royalties if you come up with something 'new' and that is next to impossible, ..not to mention from the stories i know, it's not lie that they don't want to cure some long term diseases (e.g diabetes) as the cure has been invented but scrapped with this and that excuse at least a decade ago.

If you want psychology and it could suit you, and so many places you could end up working in, also France would be a very good choice if you want to go abroad for studying it, as it with Argentina are the worlds two biggest centers for Psychology research and etc....

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you make medicines if you studied biochemistry...however you only make money through royalties if you come up with something 'new' and that is next to impossible, ..not to mention from the stories i know, it's not lie that they don't want to cure some long term diseases (e.g diabetes) as the cure has been invented but scrapped with this and that excuse at least a decade ago.

If you want psychology and it could suit you, and so many places you could end up working in, also France would be a very good choice if you want to go abroad for studying it, as it with Argentina are the worlds two biggest centers for Psychology research and etc....

ate peaches and watermelon here and contemplating not being lazy, and making some soup...what salad did you have?(yes am fishing for food ideas)

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Hhmmm and i thought that you can have other places for biochemistry other than research.

I am very interested into psychology and it is one of the best fits for me (interest wise, work condition, meaning, pay and several results from personality tests XD)

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posted May 25, 2013 12:53 PM              

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Hhmmm and i thought that you can have other places for biochemkstry other than research.

I am very interested into psychology and it is one of the best fits for me (interest wise, work condition, meaning, pay and several results from personality tests XD)

And im eating some russian salad with a strange name i doubt il be able to write in english.

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MMMMMmmmm Russian salad...you know for the longest time was convinced it was a national dish from my country despite the 'Russian' at the beginning... (and now that i will go do when am done with this and add a lot of salt to)

Psychology is good, it will open the door in more than one area of your life...but also be sure to not walk the same path as the psychologists in Mirage29's story as i have something almost similar but not as bad happen when i went to uni...

but honestly you also re real young, and it's okay if you go to university and half way through find something you haven't really thought of before and decide you like it better.

just look for something you'd enjoy regardless of what personality tests and future job prospects tell you as you'll be "stuck with it" for at least 3-4 years

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MMMMMmmmm Russian salad...you know for the longest time was convinced it was a national dish from my country despite the 'Russian' at the beginning... (and now that i will go do when am done with this and add a lot of salt to)

Psychology is good, it will open the door in more than one area of your life...but also be sure to not walk the same path as the psychologists in Mirage29's story as i have something almost similar but not as bad happen when i went to uni...

but honestly you also re real young, and it's okay if you go to university and half way through find something you haven't really thought of before and decide you like it better.

just look for something you'd enjoy regardless of what personality tests and future job prospects tell you as you'll be "stuck with it" for at least 3-4 years

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Hehe i hope youl enjoy the experiment XD

And i am interested in psychology im just worried (as always) to what might happen.

I try to keep to the moment yet its not always usefull.

And im not definite about going to clinical psychology (most known) but am interested in I/O psychology too and might seek that path.

Kinda depends on what will happen with my army service.

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