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Topic: Why do people die?
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raya_of_light
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From: Lemuria
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posted January 08, 2012 12:34 AM
  
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Love what you just wrote Raya...
Thanks Delos...love what you express also. IP: Logged |
raya_of_light
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posted January 08, 2012 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by Delos:
T I see what you mean. The thing that it is all in the mind, just isn't so I guess. I am still a little naive I guess. This world can look very horrible but there's also a lot of beauty. I can understand that if one has been through very painful experiences here, it is not so tempting to stay here forever...
I felt the same way about the painful experiences and thus felt suicidal. But God/Universe wasn't ready to let me go yet because I had things I need to fulfill in my life. I had to demand of my oversoul/High Self that I choose to not experience these painful stuff anymore. I'm rewriting my original contractual agreement and rewrite my new one. And I guess part of the new contract is I choose not to die--ever until I choose to which currently never. However it is okay to choose not to stay on this Earth plain if one so chooses to. There is no sin in that--it is just a feeling of coming home to family and they understand. No judgment--just love and adoration for your courage to go through what you went through to help assist humanity grow for the better. IP: Logged |
MAKLHOUF
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posted January 08, 2012 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by T:
to the original poster:Because some people don't feel at home here on this violent discordant planet. To have to be immortal in this flesh and bone body bag would be too much to bear for me.
I feel just the same T. Hard to feel at home here------------------
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T
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posted January 08, 2012 12:55 PM
Thanks for your thoughts and for your understanding guys.  IP: Logged |
T
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posted January 08, 2012 12:56 PM
Mak, *hugs* & we are definitely not alone in our sentiments. Hope you are doing well. IP: Logged |
MAKLHOUF
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posted January 09, 2012 06:57 AM
T (are you 26taurus?)
My interest in immortality is definitely linked to fear of dying. I try to handle this by trying to visit the other dimensions before I have to (by dying). It is hard not to fear going somewhere one doesn't know, so I am trying not to be a stranger to other worlds.------------------
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T
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posted January 09, 2012 08:05 PM
Hi Yep, that was me.  I feel the same way once in awhile. I think it's natural to fear it, but learning more about it tends to alleviate that. And like you said, visiting, whether through meditation, dream-state or other methods rather than ignore the thought of it. Programs like these I think are not only interesting, but helpful too:
http://www.biography.com/tv/i-survived-beyond-and-back/videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LzlXNfEGRs There are a couple full episodes there and more on youtube. You might enjoy them too! IP: Logged |
T
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posted January 12, 2012 07:40 PM
http://www.kktanhp.com/spirit%20world.htm IP: Logged |
MAKLHOUF
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posted January 13, 2012 01:42 PM
Thanks for the links T. There can be little doubt that this is not all there is. The question is, really, how to live in that knowledge. At any rate, one should be able to choose the time of one's leaving.------------------
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T
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posted January 13, 2012 05:39 PM
I agree with you to a degree. And what if we do choose the time but not consciously? Or maybe even decided how we would go before taking on physical form? Who knows? I'd like to be able to choose the quality of my death and hope it's a peaceful one and i'm able to make a smooth transition. IP: Logged |
T
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posted January 13, 2012 05:44 PM
Just remembered something i read awhile back that i found touching and interesting:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055438/Steve-J obs-final-words-Oh-wow-revealed-sister-Mona-Simpsons-eulogy.html I wonder what he was seeing in those last moments that made him repeat "oh wow, oh wow, oh wow..." His final words.. IP: Logged |
MAKLHOUF
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posted January 14, 2012 12:47 PM
Nietzsche regarded this as a bridge between worlds. I favour an open door policy, but people won't let you do that. spiritualist churches today are a joke. After the Civil War, people had seen so much death that they were open to investigating the spirit world, but now that death is hidden away, nobody is open to investigating it. I have been fascinated for some time by accounts of the acheivements of the early mediums.------------------
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LEXX
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posted January 14, 2012 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by MAKLHOUF:
Nietzsche regarded this as a bridge between worlds. I favour an open door policy, but people won't let you do that. spiritualist churches today are a joke. After the Civil War, people had seen so much death that they were open to investigating the spirit world, but now that death is hidden away, nobody is open to investigating it. I have been dascinated for some time by accounts of the acheivements of the early mediums.
I agree with you about the current Spiritualists.
I prefer Spiritism/Alan Kardec;
however his research has been tainted and blended in with religious superstition. 
As to no one open to investigating death nowadays......
not true.
My ex to be and I do such investigation nearly every day for over 14 years,
and as long as I can remember in this lifetime,
about age 1 year, and 7 weeks;
I cannot help but be connected to such investigations.
Along with an over 1/2 a century passion for Lexigramming;
research into death transitions and rebirth have and continue to be my passions, not simply by study from writings but based on various modes of personal experiences.IP: Logged |
LEXX
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posted January 14, 2012 01:07 PM
Death of the body would be no issue at all if in each incarnation we did not have varying degrees of "amnesia" concerning lives before bodily death and the interim betwixt returning to a new body.------------------
~The present time is theirs, but the future is mine.~Никола Тесла
~I remember, therefore I am immortal~LEXX
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MAKLHOUF
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posted January 15, 2012 06:52 AM
The amnesia is by no means universal. There have been plenty of accounts of young children who remembered their past lives clearly and could take you to the place where they lived and introduce you to the people there------------------
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Randall
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posted January 16, 2012 12:53 PM
I didn't recall any past lives, but I did understand what was being said even though I couldn't talk yet. IP: Logged |
LEXX
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posted January 16, 2012 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by MAKLHOUF:
The amnesia is by no means universal. There have been plenty of accounts of young children who remembered their past lives clearly and could take you to the place where they lived and introduce you to the people there
Yes indeed.------------------
~The present time is theirs, but the future is mine.~Никола Тесла
~I remember, therefore I am immortal~LEXX
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SunChild
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posted January 16, 2012 08:49 PM
I remembered my most 'recent' past life, according to our earth time here.
I've spent the last 3 years researching and getting evidence for myself so I know for sure, even though i already knew for sure. I'm just interested in what it means to me really, I don't care about what others think, or any one in general because this is the real deal and remembering isn't all it's cracked up to be, its so horrible sometimes. its expensive for me because of obtaining certain documents. I have to go buy what was shown to me and written down orignally in 07 and verify it all, and put the peices together. It's also freaking weird when you meet someone that you KNOW you were with in the previous incarnation. That's a hard deal.
I've met people who I have that 'feeling' with, but to know someone's previous IDENTITY makes you want to cry for some reason, I feel happy too, but often sad. Like I miss them...the relationship you HAD is not the realtionship you continue to HAVE... not at all.... it's horrible. Letting go is almost impossible.
What I have on me can prove this is real to anyone.
But I guard it like anything because it floods you, it overwhelms you. Is my friend ready to know this, my sister? you know? those questions bother me. It's like you think you a brave enough to see a spirit... I know some are but many are not.
I'm not. If I saw a spirit walk by me I would probably scream. That's being honest. Try walking in the dark and ask to see an entity, my bets you will chicken out. It's fear of the unknown and all that exciting stuff. It's kind of like that. I know people like Lexx may disagree as she seems pretty seasoned and brave, but I'm still chicken when it comes to these things.
It all started with one simple dream and I told someone. Bang.
Before that I thought I knew of past lives... I believed others when they said it was a real, but now I know for sure. Most people shouldn't remember unless they are prepared for the emotions....I wish I knew that before but I suppose like birth and death you can't really know what to expect.
Death is an interesting one.
I would like to regain more memories but I'm not sure yet I want to know who is who and what is what.
Life has become complicated without all that... but it definitely does put many things into perspective... the realtinoships we have with people continue in between life and death... I remember that part, well certain parts of it...
It is still possible to communicate.
It's mostly about forming relationships, I incarnated again because I thought that was how I was going to find God, and we are also addicted to the sensual aspect of being human, and I did want to incarnate with the same group who I formed bonds with in other incarnations... It's almost impossible not to want to reincarnate. It takes a lot of courage to reincarnate but you also fantasise about it constantly. I remember some pre conception realities.... I also remember being in the womb, and like Randall said, I also understood adults talking as a baby- now that is freaky... I actually sense Babies still are downloading... lol.... However, their identity is there and they understand language.
My husband and I like the idea of possibly leaving the earth incarnation one day and exploring elsewhere but we are undecided at this stage, with that said we both agree that death is in fact a conscious decision. IP: Logged |
SunChild
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posted January 16, 2012 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by LEXX:
Death of the body would be no issue at all if in each incarnation we did not have varying degrees of "amnesia" concerning lives before bodily death and the interim betwixt returning to a new body.
 I agree 100% IP: Logged |
Delos
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posted January 18, 2012 09:48 AM
Thank you for sharing Sunchild If you have something more of your past life experiences that you are aware of, and that you would like to share, I'm very interested to read about it.When I was very small, maybe four years old or so, I told my mother spontaneously about my "other father" and that he used to give me bananas. It didn't sound to hear that I was making things up. It was said naturally and truthfully. IP: Logged |
LEXX
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posted January 18, 2012 01:48 PM
SunChild 
I would love to hear more. 
Your descriptions of how it feels is so right!
It should totally rattle your soul and go deep and be both overwhelmingly wonderful and omg disturbing in ways.
When folks say such as;
Oh yes I remember....
and are too casual happy and cannot give what I see as deep intense omg descriptions of how it feels to "know" for sure......
then I highly doubt they are actually remembering.
I am very sleep deprived so pleas bear with me,
I hope I made sense.PS.
I wonder when and how many times you and I knew each other?  I know for sure I knew several folks here, many more than once before.
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~The present time is theirs, but the future is mine.~Никола Тесла
~I remember, therefore I am immortal~LEXX
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MAKLHOUF
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posted January 20, 2012 01:49 PM
Sunchild, did you remember naturally or were you hypnotically regressed?------------------
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MAKLHOUF
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posted January 21, 2012 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by SunChild:
those questions bother me. It's like you think you a brave enough to see a spirit... I know some are but many are not.
I'm not. If I saw a spirit walk by me I would probably scream. That's being honest. Try walking in the dark and ask to see an entity, my bets you will chicken out. It's fear of the unknown and all that exciting stuff. It's kind of like that. I know people like Lexx may disagree as she seems pretty seasoned and brave, but I'm still chicken when it comes to these things.
It all started with one simple dream and I told someone. Bang.
It looks as if you just remembered, which is good. I don't trust the hypnotic regression industry.
I am totally with you over seeing spirits. I am chicken as well, but I know that the living are much more dangerous in terms of what they can do to you than the spirits of the dead. In any case, I think I have met with spirits on occasion, not knowing they were spirits, since they appeared perfectly ordinary.------------------
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MAKLHOUF
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posted January 23, 2012 06:49 AM
I think we all have seen too many horror movies------------------
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SunChild
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posted January 26, 2012 04:37 PM
Indeed Mak.  Lexx Some guy added me on facebook a while back, he's part of a theosophical group so I accepted for the reason he looked like a genuine nice person. I don't normally add randoms on my private account. so we got talking, I just found out he has every document I need. MY STARS!!! what were the chances of that? He will send them to me. The other thing is, I never let on at the beginning so it was not that he knew he could help me. I then told him and he has helped me with insight. There's now 5 people who know of my previous incarnation. These documents will put the icing on the cake. Because I can prove it even more so with these documents... I feel now I can some other members in my family (those with an open mind).... I might share it here (not that my previous identity is outrageous or anything) But I will show two photos.... and more info if anyone is curious. For me, it's my own case study - sometimes I would love this forum to be private password only so I can share amongst friends rather than lurkers too.
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