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Topic: A Group Hug With Linda!
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Randall
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posted January 24, 2002 11:38 PM
 
Wow, Goober! I didn't understand the GEHENDRED comment when I first read it. Several great observations!  For some reason, Sweetpeas, I got the impression she meant the three druids who tumbled in the grass and fell.  ------------------
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sweetpeas
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posted January 25, 2002 03:04 AM
I had read somewhere she had children who died in infancy.
In the introduction to Star Signs she wrote I also endured several personal tragedies in Colorado while I was learning,but these you will not be reading about in this paricular book.
I got the impression when I first read Star Signs she was talking about losing a baby.
This was before I read that she had children die.
More heartache for poor Linda.  Randall,I am sure you are right now that I went back and reread it.
You can learn things being in a Group Read.  I am really enjoying this Group Read .
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LMB
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posted January 25, 2002 01:12 PM
Linda lost two baby miracles before Sally and Billy were born and the third baby after Sally was born. So that was the late 40's, early 50's.With love,
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sweetpeas
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posted January 25, 2002 01:36 PM
Thank You,LMB IP: Logged |
chronicprincess
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posted January 25, 2002 02:18 PM
"...druids who tumbled in the grass and fell."  ~Princess ------------------
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Randall
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posted January 25, 2002 11:41 PM
Thanks, LMB. ------------------
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sweetpeas
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posted January 28, 2002 02:36 PM
I don't recall exactly when it was that I first learned-or knew
..maybe a few centuries
or even a few million years ago..
Canto Seven starts off with a bang!
This Canto is where we first hear about the coma of "death",changing of body temples and immortality.
She talks about how one needs many more years than a hundred or so to master wisdom,through experience.
Makes you wonder how many hundreds of years old Linda was.
When"life expectancy" charts dictate that the "average" man or woman really should die....it's considered bad form to refuse.
She writes about how you should arrange to "die" in some manner,so that the body is never found -or seen.
Then you can re-appear,as unobtrusively as possible in some new geographical location.
Did Linda really die or just follow the example she wrote about here?
The part about Nicola Tesla,Shakespeare,Bacon and Newton being Avatars from distant "Earths" in other solar systems is very interesting.
Linda grows from a Child-Woman into a Woman-Child.Not choosing then to be a Child-Child nor choosing now to be a Woman-Woman.
..beyond the fiction of fact lies Truth?
"..in the beginning,God created Heaven and Earth that is how it has been translated
but the translation is inaccurate-there is no man with even a little education,who does not know that the text reads..in the beginning,the gods made Heaven and Earth....."
Birth is no accident-nor is Death both are charted by the Supraconscience-the Angel of the Higher Self between the two Doorways.
Why doesn't psychiatry ever call on God?
There are no final answers one may glean in the Tibetan Book of the Dead or in any other books I've ever read.
She has alot to say in Canto Seven.I think it should be read at least twice to make sure we did not miss something the first time through. 
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Randall
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posted January 28, 2002 03:45 PM
It does seem to be a how-to-do-it guide to faking One's death, does it not?  ------------------
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Randall
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posted January 30, 2002 05:00 PM
"I send you a message from Einstein
about the relativity of Us
darling, I love you more at this moment
than I loved you tomorrow
and more than I will love you yesterday" Pages 217-218 Canto Eight begins with a subtle reference to Jerry and Charles. This is the Canto where she meets Carousel Bill. If you haven't read Canto Eight yet (or any other future Cantos), you might want to stop reading this (and future posts) now. It will be near impossible from here on out not to give away a lot by talking about the next Cantos. Linda bares her very Soul to us in Canto Eight. She tells of her very first sexual experience in the most romantic and sensuously poetic way I have ever seen in words. Carousel Bill is, of course, Snyder, who rhymes with apple-cider. To see Linda so very happy and hear her talk about the Love they shared, well it just brought tears of joy to me, especially with the bith of their first baby druid. But, alas, those tears would soon become tears of sobbing sorrow as Linda gets angry and impulsively says that she wishes her three children were never born. She didn't really mean it, but one by one each of her baby druids fell, even Anne with an "e." We get to read about the wedding and how they "loped." And they could only afford a ring for her, not him. And we learn how the title of the book came to be. A recurring theme (that carries into future Cantos) is her unforgiveness of him for a terrible thing he did to her (times three). That unforgiveness drives him away. Canto Eight ends with no hope for a happy ending, with the divorce papers in her hand... ------------------
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Randall
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posted January 30, 2002 05:14 PM
Do not read this if you haven't read Canto Nine! It begins many years later. One night, Linda cannot sleep. The clock in her home strikes midnight. She is in Colorado on a cold October night, and all she can think about is calling Carousel Bill. She realizes that he has moved from Laguna Beach to Salem, Virginia and that she doesn't have his number. She calls information only to find that his number is unlisted. No amount of pleading can get the operator to reveal it to her. The operator hangs up. Just as she receiver to call another operator, the phone rings! She knows it is her Bill! It was long distance, the operator said, from Salem, Virginia! It wasn't her Bill, though. It was a mutual friend. He died in his sleep around 3 am. If only she had tried to call at midnight...He visited her astrally to say goodbye, and she didn't realize at the time he was dead (or about to die). At the funeral, Linda placed a final, tender kiss on his blue lips and the gold band they couldn't afford on his familiar hand. He died alone, not knowing how she wanted so to forgive him and be with him again. "...be still, my love, be still..
somewhere, a clock is timing us" Page 253 ------------------
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Randall
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posted January 30, 2002 05:42 PM
In Canto Ten, we learn more about how Linda said goodbye to Bill at the funeral home. We also learn of her deep regret over not calling him at midnight. There is a subtle implication that he would not have died had he known she still cared (through a phone call). She sings to him and makes a promise to him (that she will not keep). And in his quiet, gentle Gemini way, he tells her goodbye. Once again, the recurring single red rose makes its appearance! She had always called Bill her comforter (relating to her early thoughts on Jesus), and she sent a comforter of roses for his casket, but a single red rose fell into her shaking hand, and she is carried back in time: ...I would like to have this first dance with you... Page 262 She hasn't quite put the pieces of the puzzle together. Yet. She grabs among his many letters (like we do when we open up a page of Gooberz and place our finger upon a magickal passage) and picks one randomly--hoping to find a hidden message from the Uni-verse among Carousel Bill's words. It's a thin letter, one written to her after she made angry copmments to him, as she was wont to do. She received no such message, but the letter speaks volumes to all of us. We did/do hear the message. It touched me beyond words, and I hope it did all of you as well. How wise her Bill was. We could all learn much from the words in that letter he sent to Linda. And this Canto sets the stage. Canto Eleven begins the magickal journey she takes with her GURU, and Gooberz takes a very different turn... ------------------
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sweetpeas
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posted February 01, 2002 08:41 AM
he wanted to be a composer...
a writer or a doctor..
maybe an artist to heal,he said..
people's bodies,minds and souls
it didn't matter which,just one of the three
and the healing of the other two
would surely follow,he believed...
oh,darling
you healed me
you healed me!
Canto Eight is roller coaster of emotions.
Linda shares her and her twin souls first sexual experience with us.
Linda describes this in such beautiful detail in less than beautiful surroundings.
She wakes up alone feeling rejected and starts to cry.
Suddenly Carousel Bill explodes into the room.He has a toothbrush in one hand and pink-and-white apple blossoms in the other hand.
"darling,will you marry me?"
magic magic magic magic magic!
So they eloped.
They could not afford a ring for both of them.They got a gold ring for Linda on credit.
Her gold ring was engraved Love is Eternal the same words Abraham Lincoln had engraved inside of Mary Todd's wedding band.
They picked her bridal bouquet from the courthouse lawn.
They were fined ten dollars but the cranky custodian returned their money and wished them well.
Nine months later -to the day a tiny prayer arrives named Anne,with an `e`
Two more newer druids come to play with Anne as sister and brother.
The fairytale romance now takes a detour into reality.
Carousel Bill betrayed their vows not once but three times.
To drive the knife even deeper into her heart he did it after they were married with one of her friends.
-but I stared at him in stoney silence
my very soul torn to shreds-
Linda strikes out with some very harsh words,the magic has left her life.
She moves into an apartment swept clean of memories.
-I drowned in a sea of memories and dreams...
in an ocean of recrimination,bitterness and mistrust
and he drowned himself too
in rivers of vodka
and a sea of new faces,smiling
with scented hair-
-then came the day I stared,unbelieving,at the legal paper
telling me that the State of Virginia
declared our marriage to be over..ended
the State of Virginia declared it,the paper said
but the State could not separate our hearts
no matter how profusely they bled- ---------------------------------------------
Canto Nine is a very disturbing Canto for me.
I have been reading it for three days trying to think of something to write about it.
This is all I could come up with.
Read It!
Reread It!
WEEP!
WHAT IF?
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Randall
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posted February 01, 2002 05:27 PM
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sweetpeas
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posted February 02, 2002 03:55 AM
Last thoughts on Canto Nine.
Linda has been teaching us at least one lesson for life in each Canto.
The lesson to be learned in Canto Nine was so obvious I could not see it.
How does the old saying go I could not see the forest for the trees.
If you LOVE someone or if you have FORGIVEN someone tell them today.
Do not wait until tomorrow.
Tomorrow might just be to late. 
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"Live as if you were to die tomorrow,
Learn as if you were to live forever."
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Randall
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posted February 12, 2002 05:32 PM
"is it the shape and design
of the clay pitcher
that cools the thirst
.. or the water within ?" Page 304Not a lot to say about Canto Eleven. No sad tears in this one, but it just may be one of the most important Cantos. This is where Linda meets her GURU for the very first time. The whole Canto is a very entertaining discussion between Linda and her GURU (where we see how stubborn Linda is).  Like I said, I don't have a lot to say about this Canto (or Twelve either), but that doesn't mean there isn't much to be learned from them!  ------------------
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Randall
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posted February 12, 2002 06:06 PM
"approximately every seven years, in the life of every Earthling
give or take six months or so on either side
the planet Saturn moves ponderously and profoundly through
the Heavens
and aspects -- that is, forms an angle
by conjunction, square or opposition -- to his own position
in that individual's natal horoscope
which is merely a picture of the planetary pattern
at the moment when the infant drew its first breath
and these periodic, seven year, cyclic Saturn conjunctions
squares .. or oppositions
all symbolize the time for varying kinds of contemplation
a need for guidance from the planets, and their wisdom
for, these periods in the life are for the testing of the soulso the ancient texts do say a time for one to pray for Light -- to reassess one's true goal
and purpose for being ... the need for seeing the truth
and for discovering wrong from right" Pages 329-330 As you can tell from the above quote, Canto Twelve is about The Saturn Seven Cycle. It's short, but it's amazing. Linda shares with us her special secret for making the symbol for Saturn! The only sad part is at the end, when Linda receives Snyder's death certificate in the mail. "staring at his death certificate, duly mailed to me
by the undertaker as his next-of-kin yes, we were kin
he was, in fact -- my twin you public servants, did you know that ?
we were twin souls
separated by the surgery of sudden death
with no anesthetic to ease the pain
did you know that ? do you care at all ? then I stared at his name, after the printed word Deceased :
and after the printed Cause of Death :
was typed a single word : pneumonia it was a kindness -- kind of the doctor
to write pneumonia in the blank space, when the cause of his death
was really -- drowning
drowning in an alcoholic sea .. or was it grief
for the three or was it .. me ? yes, kind doctor, with a strange sort of name
written in a dwarf-like scrawl
at the very bottom of the page, where it was printed
Signature of Physician : that's where they should have printed
his name -- his name ! he wanted so, oh ! he wanted so .. to heal
and he always felt that, had he remained in medical school
he could have healed and saved them -- all three 'but I couldn't even heal myself'
he said" Page 341 ------------------
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YIVY
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posted February 14, 2002 01:52 AM
Something I thought about...the dwarf like scrawl was something of a 'clue' as to Linda's twin. Do you suppose that the 'doctor' was for a moment her 'twin' (a walkin)? And that he was trying to give her clues?Letting her know that he was still there and was coming back. I mean he had to know that the guru was coming and was hoping she would 'see' and understand what the guru had seeded into her. Perhaps Linda is trying to tell us to pay attention to little things like that.  ------------------
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posted February 14, 2002 02:11 AM
I'm reading Gooberz for the first time, and am now up to where this discussion seems to be! It's cool that we can share this together.What touches me repeatedly thus far is Linda's fierce seeking spirit, her yearning to understand -- And at the same time her feeling isolated and alone, trying to make sense of senseless-seeming tragedies -- (I can remember times in my life when I really couldn't comprehend how I could possibly go on -- I'm sure we have all shared those feelings --) And what beautiful work she did, in all of her humanity, and what gifts she has given to each and every one of us. IP: Logged |
Morning Storm
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posted February 14, 2002 07:31 PM
Well, I'm way behind and just ready to post about Canto Two. I hope no one minds....When I read it, I cried my eyes out. She had such a gift to write from her heart and allow us to feel her life. One of the parts that really stuck out to me is her poem she wrote, "Would You Want Your Sister to Marry a Colored Man?" Her words were so true, and how eye opening for her to realize that no one understood it. I was filled with pride for her that she was able to right and read that poem while she was in school. I also liked what she wrote about Jesus and Mary Magdalene. Most in the Mormon church believe they were married, too. I also felt kind of the same way when I realized Jesus was so human.... It's odd that I write about this today, too. Canto Two ends with her Dadoo dying....and she heard him whisper (which I believe she really heard because my grandfather came to visit me when he died)...."it's allright, honey--I've only gone to the Land of Love where the Valentine Man lives" and she wanted to wear the ribbons to look pretty for him....  ------------------
Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.
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ScullyItsMe
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posted February 14, 2002 09:26 PM
Hey Randall:Forgive my Virgo nitpicking, but wasn't it BILL'S death certificate Linda receives in the mail? And wasn't that in Canto 12, not 11? And Randall, don't YOU have Virgo Rising too?   Scully IP: Logged |
Princess
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posted February 14, 2002 09:29 PM
Um ... I think that's *pee-nee-monia* Princess ------------------
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Randall
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posted February 14, 2002 10:02 PM
Oops! Thanks, Scully! My bad!  ------------------
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Morning Storm
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posted February 16, 2002 09:36 PM
When I finished reading Canto Three today, I was so full of emotion, I couldn't move or speak. When I was finally able to say something, I had tears running down my face and all I could say to Randall was, "For Yellow Wax..and the Ants." This Canto is so full of Love. If you don't read any others, read this one.... ------------------
Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.
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Randall
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posted February 17, 2002 06:55 AM
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Morning Storm
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posted March 05, 2002 08:03 PM
Well, I read Canto Four a couple of weeks ago, but just now have time to post on it. Does anyone know what, "don't hock mir a cheinik" mean?? It was sad to see her feeling so dirty over the rejection of a religion, and then to lose a friend too.... I loved this part.... "it seems like a cop-out to place all the blame
on a poor, innocent snake
who just told Eve how delicious the apples tasted, from the tree
and what about Adam? after all....
he didn't have to bite into the apple..unless he wanted to
didn't he have Free Will, the same as me?" I wanted to jump for joy when I read that, because I try so hard to teach my children responsibility for their own actions, and it's tough when they're being taught by society that others are to blame for things, which originates all the way back to Adam and Eve! HA! My heart really went out to her when she said she was "..still lying there, on the floor" and then she knew it would be all right, but he canceled anyway. ------------------
To fall in Love, is to rise. . . .
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