posted February 17, 2007 01:13 PM         

I answered your questions...

why so mystified?

confused?

thinking?

posted February 17, 2007 02:29 PM         

Whatever works for everyone. Each person has their own story; unless you actually lived their life for them, you do not have the right to judge them. Do not condemn another or you yourself will be condemned.

posted February 17, 2007 05:03 PM         

sexual vs prude

As if there are two seperate categories of human beings. It aggravates me when I see people being so confiningly, presumably, even manipulatingly labled. You can make all the assumptions and suggestions you want to about another person....but you never really have a right to and chances are if you're that narrow-minded in the first place to be that way with others, the conclusion you're going to get about the other person is going to be way off.

Those who were able to offer thoughtful opinions in a considerate way, with hope of exchanging, exploring ideas,
without using the topic as an opportunity for self-promotion, personal comparisons with other forum members, good for you.

I was cool with the Sex Magick thread, because I thought Magus of Music's original intention to explore different aspects of sexuality (tantric sex, sex magick, healing, freedom/liberation,technique, non-judgement, acceptance, etc.) was sincere.
Unfortionately it eventually veered off into the same direction.

Do you think it's possible that one of these threads could actually evolve?

posted February 17, 2007 05:08 PM         

click on register and read
what you agreed
to...

I have no problem with people who want to push the boundaries

posted February 22, 2007 01:49 AM         

quote:

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Mental stimulation and having endless things to talk about? Now that's sexy to me.

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I'm with you on that statement too, DL. Foreplay for women begins long before the bedroom. Something that many men fail to understand.

I agree with what was said here...that looks has nothing to do with sexuality or being sensual. Neither does one's sun sign. We are all sexual beings. If that wasn't the case from day 1 of creation the human race would have died out long ago.

I noticed that you said you liked "chubby brunettes," scorp web. We all have personal preferences in what attracts us and what doesn't when it comes to the opposite sex. Putting that aside, my question is by what yardstick do you define "chubby" as opposed to non-chubby women? Because if we are labeling some women as chubby, others as thin, others as obese then we are making comparisons based on some mental yardstick.

The whole point of what we have been talking about here on this thread is that it's normally the media that defines to society what criteria a woman must meet and live up to in order to be a "real woman." It is normally the media brainwashing us with it's own image of women in commercials, movies, magazines, etc. that presents society with that mental yardstick.

Kelly Clarkston who you said something to the effect of being "hot" on another thread, scorp web, is not at all "chubby." She looks to be normal weight for her height and bone structure. If you are comparing her next to the flesh on bones women in most of the magazines and in the movies than she would seem to be "chubby" I guess. Which means that somewhere along the line you have picked up on and are applying that mental yardstick that the media sold you on when it comes to comparing women. Which makes you "normal" with society as a whole. Brainwashing is subtle and it seeps into our subconscious mind.

The point I am trying to make here is that nothing has changed since before or after the women's liberation movement. Women have always had some media or societal image foisted onto them of how they should conduct themselves,how they should look and what they should be if they are to be acceptable to men or acceptable at all.

Women have always been made to feel like they are nothing if they don't meet up to that yardstick that society measures them by. Women have starved themselves to death trying to fit up to that image. We have young girls in their early teens getting breast inhancements and it is being paid for by parents who have also bought into the media brainwashing of what size a woman's breasts should be. That is truly sick! Not only that young girls and women are getting plastic surgery because they were not born with the classic features that is presented in the magazines.

The women who are saying they don't have to live up to anyone's image of what they should be..what they should look like or do or say or who don't feel that they have to be acceptable to men in order to be a whole person are called b!tches and labled "men haters" etc.

Having said that, all that I said also applies to men. It used to be only women who had to live up to societies expectations and image of what they should be, now men have images of them of what they she be and look like in order to be acceptable to women.

We need a human liberation movement. We need a liberation movement that says we don't have to live up to anyone's image of what we should look like or be in order to be acceptable. We need a liberation movement that says we are all human beings and we don't have to prove anything to anyone. We can just be ourselves and in fact we can just BE.

Living our lives more through the soul does liberate us from all this image stuff. We realize that this body will die but our souls are eternal and that is what we should be working more on. Not our image.

edited to add this quote from Star's " Alone" thread it sums up what I was trying to say here:

The moment will arrive when you are comfortable with who you are, and what you are--bald or old or fat or poor, successful or struggling--when you don't feel the need to apologize for anything or to deny anything. To be comfortable in your own skin is the beginning of strength.
~ Charles Handy

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posted February 23, 2007 07:16 AM         

quote:

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We need a human liberation movement. We need a liberation movement that says we don't have to live up to anyone's image of what we should look like or be in order to be acceptable. We need a liberation movement that says we are all human beings and we don't have to prove anything to anyone. We can just be ourselves and in fact we can just BE.

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Good idea, Mirandee.

Where do I sign?

posted February 23, 2007 07:44 AM         

silverbells,

I think anything that helps release tension, without hurting people, is great for society as a whole. Western society, in particular, is rife with sex-related stress. And why? What is the big deal, anyway? I mean, nobody would argue, for instance, that the person you marry has to be the only person you are allowed to have deep conversations with, or share jokes with. If this were the case, imagine how much pressure there would be to partner-up with someone who thinks deeply and has a great sense of humor - after all, it is the only person you will be able to philosophize and laugh with for the rest of your life! What if you fall in love with someone who doesn't share your taste for deep thoughts, or have the ability to make you laugh? It's not like you can go have a deep or ridiculous conversation with one of your other friends. That part of life would be entirely off-limits to you, if you are to observe the customs of such a society. Sure, you can still read deep books, and watch funny movies, but you've got to keep them to yourself. Imagine if a prostitute was someone who got payed to discuss Plato and share jokes. Imagine a society that saw such a person as criminal. "How dare you share something so intimate with a stranger?!!?," people would say. "Have you no self-control? Can't you just try again to talk to your wife about Plato, even if she says it gives her a headache? Or maybe you could just let that part of yourself slowly starve to death? That, at least, would be respectable."

Just some thoughts.

posted February 23, 2007 09:56 AM         

Just give me someone real.

Everyone else can run along and worry about how others are viewing them... it just seems superficial. I'm over the wanting men to find me attractive stage. Either they do or they don't. I'm not going to put on a show for it. I'm also not going to cater to a random man's lust. It's an ego game.

I think it's dangerous to let your sense of self ride on others opinions.

When I was playing superficial games, I landed superficial men.

_________________________________________
Scorpio sun, venus, mars, mercury, and uranus
Libra moon, pluto, and asc.

posted February 23, 2007 12:19 PM         

Even if looks are a priority for you, that does not make you shallow. Different people value different things. Some people enjoy dressing up, for themselves and for others. Some people have a very refined aesthetic sense. It brings them a great deal of pleasure when the face they see before them more often than any other is a very beautiful one; for some people, this would mean a face that reflected qualities which they find spiritually, intellectually, emotionally, AND physically attractive. Likewise, if they had to look at a face that they did not find beautiful, it would cause them discomfort. Who are we to say if it is right or wrong? Isn't it, in fact, a subjective matter of pleasures and pains, rather than rights and wrongs?

It's actually a point of fact that people with a highly developed love nature also tend to be quite beautiful, as the planet Venus is involved in both processes. People whose minds are charming, peaceful, and beautiful often have aspects between Mercury and Venus, for example, and are often very attractive themselves, and very attracted to similar types. People with a compromised Venus not only tend to be less loving, but, also, less physically attractive, and less appreciative of, or sensitive to, physical beauty in others.

I think we ought to all take comfort in the forms of beauty which we value and possess, without feeling the need to denigrate anyone else for valuing and possessing other kinds of beauty.

posted February 23, 2007 12:56 PM         

that is all in material...

what about the Soul
you see through the Eyes

for this is what is important
not the shell/body of this Earth. ...

posted February 23, 2007 01:53 PM         

I'm also the type of person who cares what I look like. At 28 it's not for the same reasons it was at 24. Now it's for me... not for the guy that's walking down the street.

I'm also not naive to understand that looks catches an eye... I mean, I look on a daily basis... I just tend to get bored really easily when I discover that's all the person is consumed with. Whether it's their physical looks or how they appear to everyone else.

posted February 23, 2007 01:58 PM         

Wait a minute HSC

posted February 23, 2007 02:22 PM         

Maybe I would have the same experience.
Maybe not.
Maybe I'm "shallow".
Who knows.
(lotus?)

In the end,
I guess, you pick your poison.

I get so much intellectual stimulation from books and from my friends, and from my own rich inner world, I dont really want philosophy in the bedroom, you know? I think there is a lot to be said for "simple" people. Opposites attract, and I myself am so complex, I have to wonder if a marriage is big enough for another person like myself.

posted February 23, 2007 02:25 PM         

You make me smile HSC.

posted February 23, 2007 03:00 PM         

If we're all looking for the 8 to 10's out there, then who is loving the 1's to 7's? Does this mean that love is reserved only for the beautiful? Well, of course not. Anyway, people tend to pair up with someone who is around the same level as them on the attractiveness scale, so a 6 ends up with a 5 - 7, and a 9 will end up with an 8 - 10, and so forth.

Popular culture does tend to make one think that love is only meant for the beautiful, but the reality is that love is for every single person on the planet. But, again, media & popular culture puts so much emphesis on the "beautiful" female especially, that many men are led to feel unable to settle for anything less than "beautiful", even if they're only, say...a 6 on the attractiveness scale. This is out of balance, and leads men to feel unsatisfied all too often. They all want the hot woman, even if they're no Adonnis themselves. Why do we make is so impossible for men to just feel happy with what they have? Why are they so often lured away by someone more attractive than what they have at home? The obsession with female beauty has led to an erosion of integrity in relationships in our culture, and our society suffers as a whole because of that. Families are broken, children are running around fatherless, and women are depressed and/or obsessed with their looks. It really has contributed greatly to the breakdown of family values in our culture.

posted February 23, 2007 03:27 PM         

is it from reading Beauty and the Beast
and other stories of that nature?

I find Beauty, in all that I SEE...
I do not judge a book by it's cover
Veil,
I let the Spirit reveal itself

in all its splendor

Can you find Beauty in POOP?
is this the next question...

I guess it's all in how
we look at things. ...

but you cannot compare poop
to a human, with spirit and soul
divinity within, Created
in equal partnership
with GOD

posted February 23, 2007 07:51 PM         

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On a side note, I absolutely love Dove's "Real Beauty" campainge, because finally an attempt is being made to put the message out that we should embrace the beauty of all women - chubby, skinny, gauky, old, young, tall, short, freckled,....etc. Beauty should not be so narrowly defined, as it has been in western culture. Anyone can be beautiful to somebody else.

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posted February 24, 2007 08:55 PM         

I don't consider Kelly Clarkson chubby, but I do think she is really cute (Taurus-Scorpio opposition attraction?).

You say she is of "normal" size, and I agree. I don't strictly limit my attractions to chubby brunettes. I've just noticed it is a strong tendency of mine.

I know "chubby" is a relative term. Sorry I don't have a "Body Mass Index" number to give to you, but I haven't thought about this matter very much.

You wrote- "...somewhere along the line you have picked up on and are applying that mental yardstick that the media sold you on when it comes to comparing women."