posted February 17, 2007 03:22 AM         

I agree with a lot of the things that Dulce Luna said here and I agree with lioneyes' statements. The problem with basing everything on looks is that sometimes we are so enamored by the beauty of the way the package is wrapped that we don't want to open it to find out what is inside. I think that happens a lot in the case of beautiful women in the eyes of many men and vice versa. What is inside a person, man or woman, is what is going to be most important in the long run. For that reason if we base everything on what a man or woman looks like we are not only shortchanging ourselves but the other person as well. It IS degrading to use other people to fulfill our own ego needs. Like I said, I love men but I don't have to see them naked to appreciate them for the person they are.

I also can see where Lotus is coming from. I have had my disagreements with the way that Lotus presents her spiritual beliefs and views on more than one occasion for the same reasons some of you have told her here, but I can see change and growth in Lotus so I know that she is definitely on a spiritual path. Like some of you there are also many things that I find I agree with Lotus on. I think, and I might be wrong, that what Lotus is saying here is that sex has a spiritual purpose and is not meant to be abused and in no way is the use of other people for our own sexual gratification acceptable on a spiritual level.

Sex is a good thing. I don't think that any of us here would disagree with that. But anything good can also be abused and used for bad purposes as well. All of creation is good. Our world and all that is in it is good but look what we have done to our environment by our misuses and abuses of it for the sake of profit. Sex in the context of love between two people is a beautiful thing. Having sex in porno movies for pay is degrading to both participants. Any one who would do that has no self-respect so it is ludicrous to think they respect the other person. You can't respect others if you don't respect yourself first. Just as you can't love others unless you first love yourself. I mean love of self in a healthy way not an egotistical, narcisstic way.

Just recently Anna Nicole Smith died at the young age of 39 years. She was, well what you can say, famous for being famous. She began her rise to fame and fortune by being a topless dancer. She married a man in his 90's who died shortly after their marriage and left her half of his estate. She was a Penthouse or Playboy ( forget which ) centerfold. So she made her choice to use her looks and body to amass fame and fortune. Where did it get her? Is it doing her any good where she is now? What legacy did she leave behind? Is the world a better place for her having been here and shown her naked body to the world? Do those who used her to make a profit for themselves care that she is gone? Or will they just go find another woman like her to use for profit in the name of "celebrating" women?

It is all about choice. We either choose ourselves and what material gratification we can obtain in this life or we choose a spiritual path that is based more on serving others, respecting others and loving each other as one with creation and attempting in what imperfect way we can muster up to make this a better world. In short, we choose ourselves or God and that is the fundamental choice we make that sets in motion what other choices we make in our lifetime.

Lotus said that this is hell. I disagree with that. I believe that this is the plain where we make our eternal fundamental choice. I do not believe that either heaven or hell are a place but rather a state of existance for all of eternity. We were not created for this world. We were created for eternity. I think - and it is only a hypothesis because no one knows what the next life is like until they die - that we get for all eternity what we choose here. If we choose God, whatever we conceive God to be, that is what we get for all eternity. If we choose ourselves that is what we get for all eternity. Ourselves. All alone for all eternity without any of the distractions that we have in this lifetime. After all, isn't being alone without anyone to love or love us in return the greatest fear we all have? Wouldn't that be worse than a place of fire or anything else?

These are just my thoughts for what they are worth and I think that the point that Lotus is trying to make here is that it is not right to use other people for sexual gratification or any other type of ego gratification.

posted February 17, 2007 09:08 AM         

I loved what Venus said on the above thread.....

For me it takes away all the ridiculous and furtive connotations ( of sex is a dirty word ) that our mothers'generation may have grown up with...

""SEX IS RELIGION""...

That is so hot..... and cool all rolled into one...

Anyone wanna hop on a plane to India with me??

posted February 17, 2007 09:22 AM         

Thank you for those words. I needed that message.

Being lost in what I expect, I was dismissing a precious woman who has so bravely been trying to win my attention.

I have always been so critical of physical beauty.

I felt great shame and sorrow seeing this in myself today.

Now, only Joy in that I have grown closer to my goal of having wisdom.

You gave me an "Ah Ha!" moment today lioneye.

*wanders off to make a phone call*

posted February 17, 2007 09:32 AM         

Lovely young guy he was!

posted February 17, 2007 11:22 AM         

I travel back and forth from this realm to the spirit one..all these different levels..one level os suicides, they are not tormented and tortured, they are learning groups, going over what they have done..how they will next try to attempt to rectify their karma...
when they are ready, they will choose their next life..this
goes on for each level of crimes committed

I really think this Hell
HELL
5533 = 16 The Tower
which means breaking down the existing ways ,to live the True way, the right way...
by the Universal Laws that Govern us
given by God

I can only share what has thus been shone to me...
I do not want people to be afraid of Death..you are much more than this body
the you-of-you is your soul

if we brought balance to Earth
we would easily live to be 1,000
if we chose to stay in that body
for that long...

Did you see the movie down to Earth
with Chris Rock?
sometimes changes occur...
but all his done on a soul level

and all who are here on Earth
are connected to their OverSoul
in Heaven
As Above
So Below

LOve and Light and Understanding to ALL...

I am done my blah blah blah

posted February 17, 2007 11:27 AM         

I agree that sex is a spiritual experience between two people who truly love and respect each other. No other act hints more at the oneness of all of creation than the sexual act. Marriage itself is intended for the purpose of the two becoming one. Not in the sense that you lose your own individual identities but in the sense of uniting the two souls as one. That oneness will never be achieved in a relationship that does not include a total commitment to one partner.

However, it is not spiritual in nature at all when it is treated as just an act of self-gratification without any kind of commitment or love between the two individuals.

posted February 17, 2007 12:01 PM         

I have something astounding to share with you and everyone regarding Rainbow that I intend to post sometime today. Right now I have things that I have to attend to so I lack the time.

posted February 17, 2007 12:05 PM         

As a Scorpio male, I know we consistently rank rather low on the scale of "handsome" males of the zodiac, yet we are consistently considered one of the most "sexually alluring" signs. Conversely, there are signs like Aquarius, whose women consistently rank in the stereotypically "most physically attractive" category, but they would often rather stain amoeba slides for microscopic evaluation than exude sexuality, and therefore, often rank low in the "allure" category.

The cliche blonde 36-24-36 of Hugh Hefner's Playboy vision actually really serves to hurt men's reputation. It persuades women think this type of figure is what men actually want or expect.

I find I'm most attracted to chubby brunettes, but of course men will appreciate photos of any naked woman if it is available. Repremanding a man for enjoying any naked woman of any shape or size is like beating a dog for eating the meat left sitting on the kitchen table. Male or female, we are all still animals.

posted February 17, 2007 12:08 PM         

we are not animals

we are divine souls

look at your own naked woman
the one you truly love

do not disrespect her
by looking at others

posted February 17, 2007 12:13 PM         

let's see..what kind of people are absorbed with Sex, it's all they want to talk about, it's a religion to them, and Science...

obviously you have issues to work on...

only the dissatisfied would waste so much time trying to make up excuse up for their own hang-ups...

there are site's for people like this

this is a spiritual site
and the Truth is
Our Soul does not have Sex

so, if your going to Master
YourSelf
you will have to get over your obsession!

posted February 17, 2007 12:21 PM         

you have limited yourSelf only the material existence...

your free wi11 choice

posted February 17, 2007 12:45 PM         

Its a pluto thing....

Not all would comprehend it!

posted February 17, 2007 12:51 PM         

with Libra as my ascending to balance them...

posted February 17, 2007 01:11 PM         

...you've lost me here.

What kind of knowledge are you talking about? Worldly knowledge, like the Genome Project, or how to select fine wine, or excavating Mayan ruins, or what?