posted March 04, 2007 05:00 PM         

We all know that.

Right or wrong, judgement or no judgement, it's human nature to protect that which is attacked that you feel most kindly toward.

Someone at her school has been a little nasty toward my child. I will bring it up, and I will be 'civil' toward this person.. but if she openly insults her or hurts her in my presence, I will absolutely not let her disrespect someone I love without a word from me. I am absolutely biased. She is my baby. That said.. if she did something to deserve it, that's up to them to work out, and I would expect her to apologize and work it out. But frank bullying will get a response. MOre of them, depending on who was there to see the judgement and what had happened in the past to remind them of the personalities that are at the forefront.

Accountability matters. Being kind to others matters.. but one can't be blind to their own submissions in the arena.

This thread was opened to say 'Sue, I'm sorry you're being attacked elsewhere right now. We love you, don't despair.'

posted March 04, 2007 05:12 PM         

No defense is, a good defense!!!

It only feeds it more!!!

posted March 04, 2007 07:48 PM         

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When you insult Lotus (in support of Sue), you just do what you accuse her of--making all of you in the wrong.

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With all due respect, that is ridiculous. No one is 'insulting' Lotus here - and most certainly no one is harassing her, following her from thread to thread accusing her of being a liar, a dark and evil practitioner of blackness, a wolf, a two-faced deceiver, or any other of the venomous, spiteful, hateful things that Lotus has been.

When Lotus has been mentioned here, it has been in attempt to comfort Sue by letting her know that, no, Lotus' attempts to deface her image are NOT being successful, and to let her know that her friends see through the bullsh*t that has been allowed to go on here.

What actions you take as adminstrator of this forum are entirely up to you. But comparing the words of those who spoke out in support of Sue to the blatantly vile attacks that Lotus has made is, frankly, an insult.

Examples of posts 'insulting' Lotus in this thread:

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Once again, a good person attracted attention of someone with too much free time on their hands, no life on their own and some perverted vision of what's going on.

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What do you have to prove, other than you have a penchant for burning people as witches when they do the same things you do and people like them more because they aren't judgemental freaks during the process?

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I will gladly carry on posting here at LL only on one condition....and that is if the woman who persists in this ridiculous charade doesnt.....

Otherwise, I shall not share space with such stupidity..

I find it more tiresome than offensive...

its bloody boring and crass.........and after a while it becomes all too predictable!

I have no intention of spending my energy on a board where anyone is allowed to treat people this way....

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shheesh, what is with some people? Lotus Ive tried sticking up for you in the past, and ive learned sticking up for you is pointless. I think you lash out at everyone coz you want to be accepted, and you have some issues in that area. You dont respect others, they dont respect you. Its really that simple. We all want to be accepted, I feel everyone here hurts you for some reason(not feeling loved/accepted/popular) so you try to hurt them back, you need to stop the cycle, and stop the BS.

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If those people-who-shall-go-unnamed consider themselves to be 'sheep' (which is sort of fitting, actually), then I think I'd take wolves any day... there's a few very hostile, ignorant people around here. Wouldn't be the Internet without 'em, though, and they gravitate toward these kinds of places like moths to a light. I hope you don't let them drive you away.

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There is simply no comparison.

You remember the Kindred Spirits forum thing, right? And you know that the one of the reasons that forum was formed was to give Sue G, and others, a place to be around their friends without having to deal with Lotus' constant sh*t? The whole situation blew up when it was 'discovered,' but the fact is it would likely not have been started in the first place if even some basic rules (which we've all agreed to in the first place) were enforced around here. Starting a thread called "Sue G, Jackal" is slightly more or an insult than saying that Lotus has a history of this behavior and should be ignored, don't you think? Regardless, it is certainly a personal attack.

Regardless, this has been going on for a very long time, now. If you feel that it is "insulting" to Lotus for me to say these things, and feel that it is right to compare me to her for saying them, I can't help but wonder if you are oblivious to the true extent of the problem here.

"Doing just what you accuse Lotus of doing..." Utterly absurd.

Don't expect you to see my point. Don't really even expect you to come back to this thread. But I had to say this - the whole situation is wrong.

posted March 04, 2007 09:40 PM         

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Calling her a "troll" isn't an insult?

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You know that a troll is someone who harasses message boards, right? It's Internet lingo, and it fits the behavior pattern that Lotus is displaying perfectly; thus, she is indeed a troll. Calling her a lying, two-faced wh0re would be an insult. But I've only seen her call other people that. Go figure.

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Believe me, I'm well aware of the KS situation. Saying that KS was started because of one person and expecting us to believe that is sheer idiocy.

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I was there; I think I'm as 'well aware' as anyone. I didn't say it was solely formed because of one person, either - please refrain from putting words in my mouth. I said that Lotus' antics here were one of the reasons it was started.

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KS was started so that a certain group of people could talk negatively about the rest of us...hence the thread-shredding once caught.

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Oh, is that what you think? Is this the reason for the blatant favoritism in regards to who the rules apply to on your site?

Nevertheless, it's Bullsh*t. I don't think there's any shortage of negative talk about others on LindaLand - your site - so why you are so head-up-and-locked into this bizarro fantasy that KS was formed merely to dis LL members is beyond me.

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I was hoping to keep the KS crap buried, but since you just handed over the shovel...

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Burying unpleasant realities does not make them go away. It only makes them fester - better to have everything out in the open, if you ask me.

posted March 05, 2007 01:11 PM         

Is the English language really so difficult that Randall is now being accused of being biased in handing down his opinion on this matter?

posted March 05, 2007 01:13 PM         

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Saying that KS was started because of one person and expecting us to believe that is sheer idiocy. KS was started so that a certain group of people could talk negatively about the rest of us...hence the thread-shredding once caught. I was hoping to keep the KS crap buried, but since you just handed over the shovel...

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I can affirm that it was started because of one person, and I can also affirm that the one person was Sue. Here's a Sue quote from KS, "One of the reasons I got brassed off with LL is cos people were allowed to abuse and name call and then come back......crazy really....dont wanna be around that again...." The links don't work anymore, but this was from one of the links I sent you myself.

posted March 05, 2007 01:32 PM         

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KS was started so that a certain group of people could talk negatively about the rest of us...

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posted March 05, 2007 01:36 PM         

Flattery or what!!!

Bogus comment for sure, just think about what you may be implying here, if this were to be true????

We go, to get away from the abuse and name calling and then open a site to do the same!!! Thats to freaking funny what you may be implying????

posted March 05, 2007 02:05 PM         

Also, I'd like to note that banning often does absolutely no good with this site. We've seen how many returns tranquil poet, mystic gemini has had. What's interesting to me is that Lotus has never been banned, despite her behavior being more destructive, more annoying, more pervasive, and more insidious that Mystic Gemini's. In my opinion the reason that Mystic Gemini always gets banned is because she's a liberal.

But it dones't matter because banning does nothing, many people have access to multiple computers with multiple IP addresses and have multiple email accounts, there's absolutely no way to get rid of them permanently.

And as far as KS goes, anyone who claims that the site was invented to bash lindaland members is living in a paranoid fantasy land. I'm sure Randall resents it because it respresents a loss of control for him, that something he created grew a mind of its own and rebelled. Something like a robot rebelling against its master. But KS was mostly about a place to be free from trolls and other such behavior, and it should also be noted that KS was not without its own share of infighting, proving that conflict is almost always inevitable.

posted March 05, 2007 02:17 PM         

Did you ever consider, that she may have paid her way in!!!

" Money Talks " for some!!!!

posted March 05, 2007 02:51 PM         

There they were, the little group who wears their moral superiority on their sleeves gossiping about LL members. Not only that but categorizing LL members as to their worthiness to join them there at KS. Barf.

Of course, no one at KS saw any of that...I suppose because it was such an extensive site..so large it was impossible to keep track of what was going on on all the threads? That's not at all credible.

Most KS members even missed the most twisted, malignant, degrading and explicit posts of one of their twisted fellow members...or say they did.

The final nail in the coffin of the love and light theory of the KS site came when KS members broke the sound barrier getting back to KS to delete their comments...when they were discovered. Within hours, the entire site was down.

Not to mention KS members were using Randall to exchange email addresses in their recruitment drive. There's a nice little twist. Using the LL webmaster to further a site where LL members were being bashed and trashed.

Too bad someone had to resurrect this sad little affair. Most of us were disgusted enough by it to not bring it up again.

One of your enterprises eh acoustic.

posted March 05, 2007 03:06 PM         

Let's face it Jwhop, that post was a manifestation of your hatred of liberals, and your personal agenda towards Acoustic.