posted March 06, 2007 01:36 AM         

Ooooh and AG your butt is so firm and juicy, mmmm c'mere big boy lemme kiss it! *Spits out hair*

And is it just me, or is BuD symbolic of a BUD that sprouted out of Jwhop's armpit? She's like the little sidekick he always wanted. Remember those dog food commercials (kibbles and bits was it?) with the bulldog and the little dog? Hmmm...

posted March 06, 2007 06:46 AM         

Or is there some unspoken rule by certain members here that a little insulting is okay? Or that only insulting certain other people is okay?

The idea that insulting someone in "self defense" is acceptable is also ridiculous. "She hit me first so I hit her back" didn't work in grade school and it's not going to work here.

Imo, everyone insults for generally these reasons ... lack of control over their own emtions, because they're hurt or angered by what someone else said, because they feel like hurting or angering someone else, in retaliation or not, or simply because it feeds their ego and it feels good.

Imo, Everyone .... I want to make sure that's clear.

Randall has stated many times that it takes a lot to be banned from this site. And it does. The majority of us should be grateful for that.

You may think lotusheartone is annoying. Maybe she is to many of you. Being annoying is not reason for being banned. Yes, she does insult people ... and people insult her right back. If we're going to be sticklers for rules, and I'm sure as heck not saying we shouldn't be, then who's going to be the first volunteer for getting banned for the following?

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There's no, "hey, it's okay as long as you felt provoked" in there. None at all.

We should be lining up in droves.

In the time I've been here, I've only been aware of 3 bannings. Two for real and appalling racist remarks aganist other members. The third was VL, AM, TP, MG, Sweet Stars or whatever the heck other names I've missed. Talk about a real internet troll.

But correct me if I'm wrong, please ... aren't there some of you here raising hell about lotusheartone who have defended Sweet Stars in spite of her troll behavior (in one of her many LL incarnations) instead of raising the same hell to have her banned as soon as she's recognized? Or is that the kind of double standard that would count as justice being served around here by some of you?

As for Randall ... I can't believe some people are still trying to paint him as some kind of evil, "right wing" hypocrite just because he doesn't toss out every person that someone complains about. Hey, guess what? Randall could just as easily ban every single one of you trashing him and his site. But I guess the fact that he hasn't doesn't speak enough for his character.

No one is forced against their will to come here. If you don't like it here then why are you still here? To trash it and/or its members? Couldn't you just as easily find a place that is not so d@mn offensive to you or even start your own little site where people play by your rules and your own opinions rule supreme? Wouldn't that be the reasonable thing to do? It seems like it to me because I can assure you that no one, NO ONE here is going to bully or intimidate Randall into doing something he does not feel is right. And, yes, I am thankful for that.

(For the record ... that other site comment was not a cheap jab at you, AcousticGod, though I'm sure someone is going to think/suggest it was no matter what I say. I'd hope you know me well enough to know that I wouldn't resort to that.)

posted March 06, 2007 01:04 PM         

1) lotus often initiates hostilities

2) she often persists in continuing them

3) she targets specific members repeatedly, even when those members try to ignore her

As far as I have seen, she never apologies for anything she has ever said, while I have seen other try to apology for their behavior when they realize they've been sucked into her vicious game. That should be a red flag to anyone reasonable. It such also be a red flag that she consistantly defends herself with illogical, sensationalistic lines like "you hate me because I know the truth!." She's playing and manipulating this forum, and people like you and Randall who are apparently too dense to realize that is what she's doing. So you give your approval of her destructive, hurtful behavior, even if indirectly, and that only empowers and emboldens her.

I won't say she should be banned, but I do think it's inexcuseable that her behavior is so tolerated, simply because she has "supporters." This shouldn't come down to popularity, but what's best for the forum community over all. However, Randall mods by popularity, adn this is the mess it's gotten him. I mean, what excuse is there for a flame thread she started being allow to go on for over 100 posts before Randall decides to close it? It should have been closed by the her initial post. Why is that allowed? Why do you think it'll just go away?

She doesn't just go away, ever - that is the problem. She's a parasite who is thriving on this. You can tell by how she picks up momentum, the more angry and defensive a person gets with her, the longer and more vicious she digs into them. She gets it into her head that she hates someone, for whatever delusional justification (my fav - they're "evil") and lauches a flame war against that person and anyone else who'll defend that person.

posted March 06, 2007 01:31 PM         

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posted March 06, 2007 02:12 PM         

For the record, I have been a global moderator of one of the largest community on internet for more than 4 years now, and as an overly friendly person I have had my own share of problems too. First lesson is that I cannot make everyone happy no matter what, whiners will always whine. And we all whine at one point or the other. And...... just because someone has a caustic comment or has a sharp way of talk doesn't make them good or bad. At some context, it is the bad ego or the uncontrolled emotions that becomes the problem, not the person themselves.

And...... last but not the least, we are on LindaLand, a community which is "supposed" to be a group of people who loves, respects and follows this Great Soul, and for me personally the biggest lesson I got from Linda is NEVER COMPLAIN - COMPLAINING TAKES AWAY WHAT WE WANT FROM US. I hope everyone got the point.

Just me and my soapbox.

posted March 06, 2007 02:33 PM         

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I 'bout fell out of chair...that was great, thanks for the laugh, I know you didn't mean it to be amusing, it just struck "me" as being hilarious.....

Just a quick note to thank you for the laugh, I often enjoy the way you just put it all out there on the table and in such a matter of fact way. N

posted March 06, 2007 02:58 PM         

OR someone providing the knee-jerk reaction to them?

A little self restraint is good for the soul

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posted March 06, 2007 04:09 PM         

From Jan Spilling...North Node in Capricorn. Notice acoustic, she is specific about the House..10th House.

Notice also acoustic, Jan Spilling is talking about Attributes to develop. She is not talking about inborn personality traits...as you continue to misrepresent. She is also talking about the 10th House and issues you need to work on to be successful in the areas encompassed by the 10th House.

Your personality traits spring from the fact you are a Capricorn Sun...focusing only on Sun sign and setting aside other signs in the planets in your chart.

I can understand...somewhat...that you are confused and try to lump personality traits and issues into one ball of wax due to being a Cap Sun having North Node in Capricorn. I say I understand..somewhat but it's been explained to you above and beyond the point you should have gotten it by now.

To the degree you are carrying forward 4th House Cancer issues in this life, those are the issues you must overcome/put aside to focus on issues of the 10th House. But again, we're talking about issues not personality traits.

Profession/Career/Occupation
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North Node in Capricorn and the 10th house
Attributes to develop – work in these areas can help uncover hidden gifts and
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posted March 06, 2007 05:47 PM         

Your attempt at arguing this is really quite futile.

You don't seem to care to understand that your South Node shows attributes you've learned hypothetically over a series of lifetimes. Your South Node is who you've been, and what you're comfortable being. If you read up on the Nodes you'll find that there is agreement on this. Your South Node conveys both a hindrance and a blessing in the traits it bestows on you.

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I've highlighted for you the words you don't seem to comprehend. When someone uses the term 'are' they are assigning a trait, and not an issue to a person. Why, if people with Capricorn NNs supposedly don't have the trait of being overly-sensitive (the subject of the thread in dispute), would Jan Spiller include a section titled, Mastering the Emotions? That wouldn't be real logical if we're trying to suppose there are no traits conveyed through the South Node.

The subject was over-sensitivity, and clearly Jan Spiller would include Capricorn North Nodes in that category. Lalalinda was wrong to harrass me about it, especially as a Moderator and sole leader of the astrology course at the time, and you are not exactly excerising any intellectual ability in pursuing this now.

posted March 06, 2007 06:59 PM         

That's what you're supposed to be doing in this incarnation. Since you don't even know what questions to ask, you're unlikely to get the job done and learn to deal with issues of the 10th House...the issues I listed for you...Capricorn North Node 10th House issues.

Note acoustic, this is a 4th House Cancer issue which you are not supposed to be focusing on in this incarnation. You are supposed to be focused on 10th House issues in this incarnation.
quote:Capricorn North Node people have finely honed instincts for empathy. They are always aware of the feelings of others.

Note acoustic, this is a 4th House Cancer issue which you are not supposed to be focusing on in this incarnation. You are supposed to be focused on 10th House issues in this incarnation.
quote:Through these incarnations, they developed a natural understanding of how families work and the emotional attunement to others that is characteristic of this nodal group.

Note acoustic, this is a 4th House Cancer issue which you are not supposed to be focusing on in this incarnation. You are supposed to be focused on 10th House issues in this incarnation.
quote:Capricorn North Nodes spend a lot of time being sensitive and empathetic.

Note acoustic, this is a 4th House Cancer issue which you are not supposed to be focusing on in this incarnation. You are supposed to be focused on 10th House issues in this incarnation.
quote:In fact, they are expert managers because they have a natural understanding of people and can gently align others to cooperate in reaching the goal in ways that don't hurt anyone's feelings.

Note acoustic, this is a 4th House Cancer issue which you are not supposed to be focusing on in this incarnation. You are supposed to be focused on 10th House issues in this incarnation.
quote:These folks are extremely sensitive to their own emotions and those of others.

Note acoustic, this is a 4th House Cancer issue which you are not supposed to be focusing on in this incarnation. You are supposed to be focused on 10th House issues in this incarnation.
quote:Capricorn North Node people are also very tuned in to the realm of emotional connectedness and understand how people's feelings can affect others. This is both an asset and a detriment.

Note acoustic, this is a 4th House Cancer issue which you are not supposed to be focusing on in this incarnation. You are supposed to be focused on 10th House issues in this incarnation.
quote:To a large extent, these folks operate from their emotions,***Note acoustic and this equals "how to lose" for them in this lifetime.

Note acoustic, this is a 4th House Cancer issue which you are not supposed to be focusing on in this incarnation. You are supposed to be focused on 10th House issues in this incarnation.
quote:Capricorn North Node people are very emotional. They cry at movies and at sad stories; their feelings are very present and available to them. These folks can be so overrun by their emotions that they can't think, they can't function, and they don't know why.

Note acoustic, this is a 4th House Cancer issue which you are not supposed to be focusing on in this incarnation. You are supposed to be focused on 10th House issues in this incarnation.
quote:Capricorn North Node people are so open to their feelings that they also tend to keep open a door to feelings from the past.

Every one of the examples you quote are emotional issues acoustic...issues of Cancer.

'Are'='Trait'. I'm going to let you prove this statement acoustic...and enjoy every twist, turn, duck, bob and weave while you attempt to subvert the English language.

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Your childish emotional behavior, your constant bobbing and weaving and refusal to take responsibility for your words and mistakes mark you as a Capricorn North Node person who has not outgrown the 4th House emotional issues of Cancer....oh, and blaming lalalinda for correcting your errors is just another perfect example. Lalalinda was harassing poor little you.

Nor have you taken any responsibility for misstating my chart. My Mars in Aries is not unaspected.

Thanks Zala It is important to attribute a person's works accurately

posted March 06, 2007 07:28 PM         

You don't have a leg to stand on at all whatsoever. Anyone with a basic understanding of our language can see that Jan Spiller clearly assigns these traits to Capricorn North Node people. That's the end of the story.

All your stubborn and idiotic posturing isn't going to change what Jan Spiller said explicitly. I would have to say that you're a glutton for punishment attempting to plead a case that you know you can't make.

Perhaps you need to ask yourself how exactly a person can have Cancerian/4th house emotional issues without accompanying traits. Good luck with that. If you get stuck, see Jan's chapter on Capricorn North Nodes, because she happens to tackle that question quite adequately (as I've been pointing out all along).

P.S. I don't disagree that there are Capricorn/Cancer, 4th/10th house issues involved with Nodes. I'm simply stating what Jan stated, which is that there are traits that accompany these.

posted March 06, 2007 08:00 PM         

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Awww how cute, we have an immature little child here.

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I guess you should be refered to the other thread on "who are you calling a b!tch"
Its a funny indicator that is the first word men use when they feel insecure of somehow threatened around a confident woman. Hey if you can't deal with my opinions thats your problem but don't even dare say stuff like that to me. You are nothing but an immature little child. I'd tell you to grow up but clearly you are incapable of such...

Eleanore really is a voice of reason. She is fair and wise, I think she should be a mod with Zala.

Oh please both Eleanore and Randall condemed Lotus's actions, myself included.
Secondly I adore Sue and found what is said about her deeply unfair.
Thirdly the fact that these insults are continuing is helping no one! I am sure Sue herself would agree that this needs to stop.

posted March 06, 2007 08:03 PM         

Hmmm...
I guess everything is political in it's way...

Moon666, you said, "I believe in co-existence, and giving space." So do we - that is what we are discussing and WHY we are discussing it!

Hi Eleanore, I just wanted to say that I don't think anyone is trying to force Randall to do anything... except listen maybe, and he is doing that on his own free will anyway. Everyone is just bringing things to light. (Thank the Onesong!) But you nicely illustrated how Randall's back is kind of to the wall on this issue, so I hope others see that as well.

Nice 1,2,3 GeminiNymph!

Johnny and AG are my Heroes!!! Johnny riding into battle sword drawn and armor flashing and AG battling by his side and then throwing himself on a grenade... *sigh* doesn't get more heroic than that. And all Hail Good King/President Randall! (My metaphors know no time boundaries...)

posted March 06, 2007 08:04 PM         

Lalalinda picking on you ring any bells.

Now acoustic, you go find anywhere in Jan Spiller's works where she used the word traits when describing the issues of Capricorn North Node people...and good luck finding it.

Sensitivity and being reduced to a highly emotional state...to the point one cannot function are not 10th House Capricorn issues acoustic. Uncontrollable crying is not a 10th House Capricorn issue acoustic.

It's clear you misunderstood or are intentionally misrepresenting what Spiller said. You act as though you believe Spiller was listing those emotional issues as a positive for Capricorn North Node people.

I dropped a little note to you in one of those lines. No doubt, you entirely missed it. Let me find it again and put it up for you.

"quote:To a large extent, these folks operate from their emotions,***Note acoustic and this equals "how to lose" for them in this lifetime.

Still ducking, bobbing and weaving acoustic..and still refusing to take responsibility for being wrong. Wrong about Capricorn North Node issues and wrong about my "unaspected Mars in Aries" and still attempting to blame lalalinda.

You are a perfect example of a Capricorn North Node person who has not overcome South Node Cancer issues.

Jan Spiller has warned you acoustic.

"To a large extent, these folks operate from their emotions and this equals "how to lose" for them in this lifetime"

posted March 06, 2007 08:10 PM         

If you don't like someone, ignore them. If you see Lotus' name to the left of an entry...skip it. Is that so hard? (I know it's often easier said than done, but seriously...)

We're in public. When you don't like what someone is saying at the mall, you can't just have them ejected. And if you start calling them names back, chances are they're going to boot the lot of you.

It's the discretion of the mall owner/management as to whether or not someone has broken the mall rules, not the shopper. The shopper can of course always take their patronage elsewhere (and I think that's basically what Randall is saying here).

Johnny? (if I've got it wrong, my apologies) mentioned that it seems only those who are known to be on the 'right' politically are defending Lotus' right to free speech. I think the point here is that, for me anyway, since I'm identified as being on the right (even though it's rare that anyone actually ASKS me what I believe), I'll defend Lotus' right to tell you she thinks you're going to hell (or whatever nonsense it is that got everyone ****** off), to the same degree as I'll defend your right to tell her she's wacked for saying it. And if your bantering back and forth regarding who is worse bothers me, I'll simply hit FILE>EXIT (ie; close the browser window and go find something else to do).

I figure this is wasted breath (typing), but...how would you all feel if I created a 'sympathy for Lotus' thread, then we proceeded to talk about all of those here who are supporting Sue, in the 3rd person as if they weren't even here? I know for a fact that many would be very hurt and defensive for having such negative attention focused on them, and would most certainly feel ganged up on, whether they brought it on themselves or not.

I know Lotus annoys the hell out of some people...I also know some people here equally annoy the hell out of me (and I most assuredly annoy them as well). I just skip over their posts and ignore them. Is it really so hard to do?

And IMHO - by leaving this site because someone ****** you off...you've let them win. They've beaten you, because you've allowed them to drive you away.

So Sue, if you leave, who really wins and who really loses? Seems to me that it's you and your friends that are the losers in that situation, because you've let Lotus drive a wedge between you, your friends and the place you enjoy hanging out together at.

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Am I seriously the only one who bothered to read the Rules, Policies and Disclaimers section before I joined this site?

As for Randall mod-ing by popularity ... Randall was as upset and insulted as many other people were when the KS thing came to light. He didn't bother to hide it, either. Yet how many KS members did he ban?

A lot of people here initiate hostilities and persist in continuing them, not just lotusheartone. pidaua and Rainbow went at each other's throats more than anyone should care to remember and NEITHER of them were banned. Oh sure, plenty of people were in support of pidaua being banned but how many wanted Rainbow banned? I didn't want either of them banned, for the record.

lotusheartone and ALL OF US have the right to reply to whomever we'd like, even people who try to ignore us. It's not hard to ignore somebody. Just don't read what they wrote. I've done it before and I'll do it again if I find someone irritating. And I don't see lotusheartone having a superiority complex to be making people into targets. She takes that attitude with the whole board. So do other people here. We've tolerated alot of hositilities between members here. Including you, GeminiNymph. A lot of people have been upset with the way you've insulted many people around here and act intellectually "superior". But I've never heard anyone wanting you banned or admonished by Randall and I don't want that either.

You (not you specifically, you as in anyone) feel personally attacked? Contact the mod of the thread where the incident occurred immediately ... you know, as it says to do in the Rules, Policies and Disclaimers section no one has apparantly read. We are all easy to contact because our names and and our names hyperlinked with our email addresses are right there on the forum summary list and in the topic summary list for each forum, respectively. Isn't that a heck of a lot more reasonable, logical and mature than posting insulting messages right back?