posted March 06, 2007 08:29 PM         

If you have trouble with reading comprehension, then perhaps you should get some tutoring.

posted March 06, 2007 09:12 PM         

I'm sorry Sue was called a jackal. I'm sorry lotus was called a nutcase. But c'mon kids, they're just words on the internet. Let's put it in perspective.

posted March 06, 2007 09:59 PM         

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I'm sorry Sue was called a jackal. I'm sorry lotus was called a nutcase. But c'mon kids, they're just words on the internet. Let's put it in perspective.

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posted March 06, 2007 10:01 PM         

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Johnny? (if I've got it wrong, my apologies) mentioned that it seems only those who are known to be on the 'right' politically are defending Lotus' right to free speech.

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Just for the record, I didn't say that. Apologies accepted.

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I've said this before over at GU when a bunch of folks were freaking out about Lotus....it's very simple...

If you don't like someone, ignore them. If you see Lotus' name to the left of an entry...skip it. Is that so hard? (I know it's often easier said than done, but seriously...)

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That's a great point, Isis, and something that I generally would be all for, myself. However, check this quote out:

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your continued fakeness and two-face-ness
is really low...

...the Truth was presented, her lies pointed out
and Sesame edited it...

...I will never give-up, I will never leave
and the Truth will prevail...

...She says she's leaving, but she never does,lies mean nothing, not a woman of her word...

You obviously don't know the Truth about Sue...
but many, many, many do...all those that have been fooled. ...

I won't let her fool anyOne Else

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-Lotus

What I'm attempting to point out by quoting this is that this issue with Lotus is a little bit more than a tiff between two members - this is about an effort made by Lotus to defame Sue to the rest of the board, in an effort to drive her away.

Others have consistently made this point, and it has consistently been ignored. In an Internet forum, yes, you can ignore someone's insults, but when they move beyond insulting you and try to slander you to the entire community, that's something different.

This is why I believe that all aspects of this dispute are *not* equal.

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And IMHO - by leaving this site because someone ****** you off...you've let them win. They've beaten you, because you've allowed them to drive you away.

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posted March 06, 2007 10:25 PM         

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I believe in co-existence, and giving space... provided the sanctity of this community is maintained.

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-Moon666child

I just wanted to comment on this. In your opinion, Moon666child, is a member who preaches skewed (imo) versions of Linda's teachings (to the point of amassing 10,000 posts in 18 months) while claiming to be the reincarnation of Linda Goodman helpful or harmful to "the sanctity of this community?"

posted March 06, 2007 11:01 PM         

However, the business with Lotus exceeds those boundaries.

If I make an example of AG and Jwhop, at least I can say that each of them has a point to make and defend. Debate over discrepancy is a marvelous thing. Does anyone feel that either of them is being victimized by the other? I don't.

But Lotus is stalking, harrassing, and attacking. Sue has repeatedly made it clear that she wants it to stop. I find it hard to believe that even if she was ignored that Lotus would discontinue her antics.

No. Not "antics." This implies something along the line of fun and games. What Lotus engages in is abuse... of both LL members and her own right to speak freely.

It's ridiculous.

She is provoking. And YES, that does make a difference. Especially when it occurs on an every-freakin-day-every-freakin-thread basis.

I'm sick of it. It is impossible to ignore what is present everywhere you turn.

posted March 06, 2007 11:05 PM         

Someone made the point of just ignoring the poster, which is easy to do with MOST of the poster's here. But when its EVERYWHERE you look it becomes harer to ignore.

It's a psychological fact that if you even look at a word you will automatically read it and comprehend it, so when you're scrolling through endless posts, trying to ignore it, you will almost invariably accidentally read some of that post. Now multiple those posts times 5000 and the likelihood is that even if you want to ignore it, you'll end up reading some of it anyway.

posted March 06, 2007 11:57 PM         

Your memory is like your astrological knowledge
not very good

here's a quote from this thread

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The Lalalinda stuff is pretty self-explanatory to anyone who was there. It was a thread about Over-Sensitivity. I mentioned that people with a Capricorn North Node can be overly sensitive as explained in Jan Spiller's book Astrology For the Soul...acoustic

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now here's a quote from the original over-sensitivity thread (read it, it's an interesting thread)

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"Check also the Nodes. Cancerian South Node will make you incredibly sensitive as well.".. acoustic

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Do you really want to go over this again?
Come on, do yourself a favor and don't embarrass yourself.
OK? can you do that?

accoustic, how would you like some smart-arse know-it-all to come into your home and start disrespecting you?
It would be pretty rude wouldn't it?
Well that's what you're doing here
You better re-think the way you talk to Lindalands's Webmaster
you remember that.

Jwhop

posted March 07, 2007 12:08 AM         

I get the impression you actually think you said something of significance here, yet you've said nothing that contradicts Jan Spiller.

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accoustic, how would you like some smart-arse know-it-all to come into your home and start disrespecting you?

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May I remind you that you came into the thread after me attempting to correct me? Yeah, you were the know-it-all, and you happened to be wrong. Thanks to our fellow knowflake anyone can read Jan Spiller's entire chapter on Capricorn North Node, and discern what is obviously true.

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You better re-think the way you talk to Lindalands's Webmaster
you remember that.

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posted March 07, 2007 12:09 AM         

Wait.

I guess it is a good analogy.

Now, if I was following them from store to store in order to get my own cruel comments and ranting in, then it would be a whole new story. I would be the stalker.

Now say I was doing my shopping a month or two later and heard the same person yelling in the food court about ANOTHER shopper, and saying the same things she said to me, but this time a group of people had gathered around her and they were saying that her words were not true and that she had done the same thing to them. Now, I don't want to get involved... but something pops into my head and I feel guilty for not saying anything. I think about all the times when I was new that I tried to be fair and impartial and diplomatic... when I felt compassion for Lotus and did the equivalent of tsk tsking others for it. How I did this WAY longer than anyone with any sense should have because I reasoned that if everyone was so against her it was NO WONDER she behaved that way. How when she started to treat me the same way I thought, well, I can handle it, I will just do my best to rise above the situation and continue to be fair and diplomatic and nice. Then when she got worse towards me, I decided that I would have to be more firm, but still extend the hand of friendship. Oh, this dance went on and on until I realized that the lesson I was meant to learn was not that I should just bend over and take it with a smile (there's a bit of poetic vulgarity for ya) but that I should FULLY understand a situation before I butt in, and that I should take a side when necessary to protect others from repetitive bullying.

A few lines of this are what popped into my head, the political folk don't have to jump on the specific historical meaning of this and convince me that it is not the same... I am aware that this situation is seemingly insignificant in comparison to what is referenced in this work, but there are some similarities in that little steps are often very important in our lives. There are also about 10 different versions and/or inspired works from this, all with different perspectives. This is about what it meant to me when I received the message.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

I was just going to ignore all of this for a minute... I was just glad she was fixated on someone other than me. The above is the message I immediately received. I hesitantly decided to post on the Jackyl thread and speak up. Practically the next post was from Randall which was really disconcerting, but I feel it all worked out the way it was meant to work out.

posted March 07, 2007 12:23 AM         

You're the one talking about me acoustic
I don't do that to you do I?
no you know why?
because it's chicken shite.
what a sssssssssnake

posted March 07, 2007 12:29 AM         

If you really believe Jan Spiller knows what she's talking about when she speaks to the Nodes of the Moon, then you would want to heed her warning. Over sensitivity and emotionalism are the bane of North Node Capricorn people. They are not an asset in dealing with the issues 10th House Capricorn rules.

If Jan Spiller had meant "traits", she would have said the word. It's a common word in the world of astrology and astrologers.

I'll post it one more time for you and then, I'm finished.

"To a large extent, these folks operate from their emotions and this equals "how to lose" for them in this lifetime."

Perhaps you believe the universe has set you up to lose acoustic. I choose to believe you're supposed to focus on where you're supposed to be going and grow out of 4th House Cancer issues.

posted March 07, 2007 12:33 AM         

What does that have to do with rules of engagement and why am I lambasted for being immature for bringing things up like farts in the wind or popularity contests, and all the while, people can take up two thirds of a webpage with what constitutes a whole bunch of farts in the form of a sentance.....and then a paragragh... and then more...

ugh.
I love when arguments turn into more arguments and then more arguments.. it's sort of distracting, you forget what you were even talking about.

Mercury.. can we at least all agree on mercury, no matter who likes who or why or what... can we all agree that in a few days this will all be a fart in the wind?

I am so not pointing fingers.. I am just a girl trying to inspire labour.
And I've talked about farts far to much.

Melody, as usual.... good shite.

posted March 07, 2007 12:41 AM         

You are a Moderator here, and the leader of the Astrology Course for Chris' sake, and you with all your wisdom and pettiness came in to a thread to disagree with me for the sake of disagreeing with me. Only you didn't bring any logic or any superior astrological viewpoint. In fact, you didn't argue much at all (much like now).

I've made my point and my case a completely unnecessary amount of times at this point, and I'll tell you what is a little embarrassing... hearing myself describe the argument to my girlfriend. Anyone can read and comprehend Jan Spiller's book. It's not a tough read at all whatsoever. Anyone who reads it, or even just the quotes I provided can see plainly why Capricorn North Node fits into the category of overly sensitive.

posted March 07, 2007 12:48 AM         

Trait:

1. A distinguishing feature, as of a person's character.

Jan Spiller talked about distinguishing features of Capricorn North Noder's character.

posted March 07, 2007 12:50 AM         

i did follow the link on Jan Spiller, and this is what i gleaned.

wht does it mean when something like 'emotional sensitivity' is listed under 'Personality'

This was listed under 'Talents'

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These people excel at being the "boss," so management, public speaking, politics, and entrepreneurship are good choices for them. Others are willing to cooperate with their goals, since they approach people under their authority with sensitivity. To achieve success in any area, these folks need to be "in charge" of their own piece of the puzzle.

Additionally, Capricorn North Node people have finely honed instincts for empathy. They are always aware of the feelings of others, and when they use this ability in a management situation their sensitivity encourages people to assist them with goodwill and enthusiasm.

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The SN traits can be talents when used carefully.

Either ways, astrology is a guide. it is not words written in stone tht u can throw at another person to insult them.

now can we please end this debate?

posted March 07, 2007 12:57 AM         

I would like to see this place as much active and sane as it is, so I believe all said and done, we can be matured enough to move on....

posted March 07, 2007 01:11 AM         

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Kamilla
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posted March 06, 2007 01:34 PM
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I could be completely wrong but wasn't lotus involved somehow into fayte.m leaving?

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Absolutely NOT!
Lotus had nothing to do with who drove me away.
And for the record neither did DfD!