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pidaua
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posted June 24, 2007 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
HSC,

I see, so you thought you would be clever by posting these pics to see if you could draw certain people out.

Wow.. that is truly pathetic. I feel sorry for you.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted June 24, 2007 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
LOL

No, that was not my motive.
I would not have posted so many, if it was.

In fact, I'd prefer not to hear from you,
but I knew you would show, that's all.


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pidaua
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posted June 24, 2007 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
I'm sure you didn't want hear from me. I could care less what you want, we already all know what you are. You are continuing to fan the flames from your last posting debacle.

I am sure you have forgotten the post in which I apologized to you and you accepted. Since that time I have not posted at all to you. Yet you feel posting disgusting pics is somehow a mature thing to do and then when someone calls you on it you resort to "don't talk to me".

Childish..yes.. then again, I expect nothing less from you.

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sunshine9
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posted June 24, 2007 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine9     Edit/Delete Message
All,

Just wanted to say I'm really sorry if my thoughtless postings here have brought anyone pain - I didn't think too much before joining in. They did not have any malicious intent behind them (and it's not like I even subscribe to the ideas they present; they just seemed neat at the time), though I would like to take back pictures that were in poor taste. This is a very sensitive topic, and I normally don't participate in topics of that nature, esp. given my limited free time; however, I got carried away this time - one look at the work of my pic-happy finger on the Bizarre Holidays thread, and that much is obvious. I'm sure it was much the same for HSC.

So, once again, I'm sorry if anyone was offended or hurt by what I'd posted; it was unintentional, I assure you. I'm pulling for our troops to return home safe to their loved ones, and for Bear to come home soon to you, Pid. They really deserve our best for all the sacrifices they make to keep everyone safe..


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sunshine9
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posted June 24, 2007 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine9     Edit/Delete Message
For all the soldiers out there..

Please be safe & come home soon!!

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BlueRoamer
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posted June 24, 2007 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
I THINK THAT BALLOON SHOULD SAY:

I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU THAT YOU'VE BEEN SENT TO A WAR FOR NO REASON. YOU HAVE BEEN DUPED, THERE IS NOTHING WORSE THAN A WAR FOR ITS OWN SAKE. YOU ARE MURDERER FOR HIRE, YOUR MISSION IS TO LINE THE POCKETS OF OLD WHITE PEOPLE WHO DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU. YOU ARE A PUPPET OF CORPORATE AMERICA.

WHEN YOU RETURN WITH PTSD WE WILL OFFER YOU NO HELP. IF YOU BECOME A HOMELESS PERSON THAT IS NOT OUR PROBLEM.

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pidaua
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posted June 24, 2007 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
No worries Sunshine- I understand and I know how much you care about the troops.

BR,

LOL.. something is off with you for some reason. Why are you shouting? I'm not going to get into a fight with you over the war. I refuse to do so and I think it is absurd that you feel that you can speak on behalf of our troops. I also think it is pompous and cruel of you to say what you have- equating our Soldiers to murderers for hire.

I am sorry you are having issues. I am sorry you feel the need to shout. It is your right and the truth is. My husband and those like him are fighting for the right for people like you to say what you do without you worrying about being put to death. In some countries people die for less than what you have said - see Iran, Venenzuela and China.

But carry on- I am sure it makes you feel good to get it out.

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BlueRoamer
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posted June 24, 2007 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
I deleted my post because I don't want to get emotionally entangled and distract myself from my work. Good luck.

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Dulce Luna
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posted June 24, 2007 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
I think this thread deserves a bump; I have a few myself....


Here's an African one....

*edited to add*

Here's to the Colonial Days....

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SattvicMoon
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posted June 24, 2007 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SattvicMoon     Edit/Delete Message
It is the war and stupid "polytricks", not the troops!

The troops are nothing but hapless scapegoats of the major conspiracy!

Anyways............. WAR STILL SUXZ!

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Welcome to my Blog: The RechargeHouse

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Dulce Luna
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posted June 25, 2007 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
I'm back....

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Dulce Luna
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posted June 25, 2007 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message

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ListensToTrees
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posted June 25, 2007 08:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Life is complicated. People are complicated.

I believe that there is good and bad in absolutely everyONE

People are confused. The world is confused.

All I wish all people could remember is that every life is sacred.

But so many people do not, cannot REAL-EYES this.

Yet.

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ListensToTrees
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posted June 25, 2007 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
There is good and bad in ABSOLUTELY everyONE. There is even good in Bush. He BELIEVES (just as the fanatic terrorists do) he has his reasons for the things he does. (He MAY of course be more corrupt than what he appears to be, but I'm not sure anyone knows for a FACT).

However.....I'm not a politician....I can't see all the FACTS and hidden TRUTHS beneath the lies through a magic looking-glass in the world.

Nobody has the right to judge another person. We can only look at the facts we are presented with, and begin to understand others by walking "1000 miles in their shoes".

However there is evidently much corruption in the world because people want to exploit others....many in power and who are rich are not in touch with their spiritual side and therefor do not see that all life is sacred....

for this reason I actually enjoyed looking at the pictures....I feel they were motivated by this feeling....but we do need to remember other people's feelings, to strive to always look at things from both sides....to strive to be fair.

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ListensToTrees
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posted June 25, 2007 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
I'm a little confused about the whole issue of pacifism myself, so I'm going to do some soul-searching after reading this.

I remembered something inspiring which jumped out at me a few years ago, back in the days when I was involved in animal rights, whilst watching a sci-fi film of some sort (can't remember what it was)....the characters in the film were referring to their enemy, an evil entity:

'It cannot be defeated or destroyed. Shoot at it and you only make it stronger'

Evil cannot be 'destroyed'. Shoot at, attack it with hatred.....and you only make it stronger.


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Solane Star
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posted June 25, 2007 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
Listens To Trees!!!!

Your Hearts in the right place girl!!!!

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted June 25, 2007 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Good ones, Dulce!

Well said, LTT!


Pid,

Believe it or not, my motives in this are not less noble than your own or Bear's. We see the matter differently, but we both want the conflict to end, the soldiers to come home, and for people to stop dying. We disagree about the time-table, and when an end will be possible and beneficial. I believe it is our choice to be there, and that we do more harm by staying than by withdrawing at this point. We disagree, but that doesnt make one of us a bad person. We just see it differently. Ultimately, we want the same things. I want good men like Bear to come home in one piece, and women like you not to end up widows. I also want innocent civilians, who did not choose war as a way of life, to stop getting bombed and shot by courageous, well-meaning men like Bear. I happen to know for a fact that my sentiments are shared by many veterans of this war, and, according to their testimonies, by many soldiers still over there, who are absolutely traumatized with guilt for the things they've done, and filled with dismay and resentment towards the people who lied to them and sent them into this piteous war in the first place.

You may disagree with me on this, but that does not make me a bad person, Pid. While Bear is fighting for what he's been told is my freedom to speak dissenting words like these, I am fighting, in my peaceful way, for his freedom to be safe at home with you, and not a pawn in the corporate war machine. What motivated me to post those cartoons and pics, which I know are potentially shocking, controversial, and upsetting, is my concern for the people in the world right now who are having much worse things done to them than being confronted with upsetting images and words. That is what motivated me. Please, try to understand.

I agree, it was not mature of me to say "I'd rather not hear from you." It was rude, and I'm sorry for that. I had returned five minutes after posting my first reply to you, where I said I knew you would show, intending to delete that, because I saw that it was somewhat incendiary, and because I felt empathy for you. But, in that time, you had already attributed malicious motives to me, and allowed that assumption to snowball into two insults. My empathy waned, so I typed "LOL" and told you frankly that, actually, I would rather not hear from you. I admit, it was not the least harsh thing I could have said, after your insults. But it was close.

Now, do you suppose it was mature of you to suggest that I am not getting involved when I post about this (I would never suggest that you are not getting involved by debating with other non-officials in GU)? Or was it mature of you to attribute malicious motives to me for no good reason, to refer to my "latest posting debacle", to say that "we already all know what you are" (I'm a who, not a what, Pid), that you expect nothing "less" from me, and that you "feel sorry for" me? Or was it mature to call me "childish" and "truly pathetic"? Which of these nine comments do you think was more mature than the one comment I made?

Its true, I still have not forgiven you in my heart for the absolutely malicious and unprovoked words you typed to me that time, although I have honestly tried. I still do not know if your apology was genuine. It seemed odd to me that, when I posted the things you said to me, you did not apologize then and there, but, instead, started a whole new thread to say you were sorry to me. It seemed a little politically motivated, to tell you the truth. It seemed like you wanted to draw attention away from the other thread, where your nasty words were visible to all, and to make a spectacle of your peace offering by publicly apologizing (without mentioning what it was you were sorry for). I believe I told you as much at the time, and reposted your words so that we would all be clear as to what it was you had said and why.

Honestly, Pid, I know people are complex, and I know you have good in you, but what I see in a number of your posts is how angry and abusive you can be at the drop of a hat. I try to see the best in everyone, and to think of all the pressures you must be under, from within and without. I surprise myself with how much I am able to overlook, but its very hard to forgive entirely, and even harder to forget. Your presence does make me uncomfortable, and I am only being up-front about that. I know that I myself make certain people uncomfortable with the radical views I express, but I do my best to express them respectfully (without compromising the force of clarity), and to apologize for the times when I believe I have been too blunt. I struggle harder than most people will ever realize not to use the kind of language that I see in some people's posts. I exhaust myself finding ways to express my actual thoughts about things, rather than just venting my angry feelings through vicious insults and rash, mean-spirited assumptions. Time and again, my efforts are met with the same cruelty and lack of empathy or understanding that I have worked so hard not to unleash on the very people who are trying to hurt me. Ultimately, against the idealism of my will, I have to come to the realization that some people are just not empathic or understanding, and I have to walk away. I'm always hoping they will prove me wrong and show me how understanding they can be.

I was impressed, at first, with your response to BR, after he screamed that your husband is a murderer for hire, etc. The mature restraint you showed impressed me, but then I had to wonder why you were so restrained with him, and not with me. Clearly, you are capable of more self-control than I gave you credit for.

So, what is the reason, then, for tearing into me when I say (rather than scream) things which are not even as provocative as that? Could it be political? Could it be that you see that some people (all of whom are friends of one another, lol, and who, taken as a group, do not equal the number of people from LL who wrote to me over the last week to say they admire, love, and/or are in love with me) have turned on me, and you can exploit the occassion as an opportunity to unleash your considerable rage?

Mind you, this is not a blind assumption or judgment, just a reasoned suspicion in the form of a question. I hope that this is not the case. I do want to believe the best of you and everyone. But I will continue to see with an eagle eye, and to call 'em as I see 'em.


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ListensToTrees
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posted June 25, 2007 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
I wish we could all communicate heart to heart by using telethapy/empathy as perhaps we once use to, on another plain.

Evil cannot be destroyed by attacking it with more evil, it only gets stronger.

I really can't say whether the war in Iraq is 100% wrong or not. All I can say is I hate it when anybody gets hurt or killed, when any being abuses another. Terrorists abuse and kill people. Saddam abused and killed people. And this war is abusing and killing people. Abusers should be stopped.....but here is the difficult part....
Who is right and who is wrong? Terrorists believe they are fighting for a cause. Everybody else believes they are fighting for a cause.

Nobody should have to die, or have to suffer.

But if anyone came over to me and tried to attack any of my loved ones, I would jolly well defend them, I would also be prepared to die for them!!

But knowing who is right and wrong in politics is more of a complicated task. I wish it became law that every single politician and prime minister had bloomin' PHD's in EMPATHY and bloomin' degrees in RELIGIOUS EDUCATION so that they could see and understand EVERYONE's bloomin' side......

Because when we get down to it, we are really not so different at all.

But we are not going to convert everyone to this way of thinking by waving a magic wand. However, I do believe that problems could be solved more carefully and less hastily....without KILLING....if those in power really, truly put all their mind, body and souls into it. But do they care? Do they want to? That is the question.

If killing became ABSOLUTELY unavoidable in an act of DEFENSE....then so be it. But....lol...It is a VERY complex matter.


and

To everyONE

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miss_muffet
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posted June 25, 2007 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for miss_muffet     Edit/Delete Message
I especially like the one that says:

"Why do we kill people who kill people to show killing people is wrong?"


MM

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ListensToTrees
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posted June 25, 2007 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message

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pidaua
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posted June 25, 2007 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
I would address your post in detail HSC, but you hit the nail on the head when you indicated that you have not forgiven me. I forgave you for what you have done in the past. I cannot help the issues that lie within your heart that keep you constantly angry.

It is not my path to help you. You have made a judgement of me and that is your right. I will not defend myself because judgements are those that people hold deep within their souls are are not easily changed.

Good luck on your journey. I am proud of Bear and those of Bear's caliber. They do more for society than act as corporate pawns charged with killing innocents as you have alluded to.

For every one disgruntled Veteran you know I know many more that support what we are doing.

Again.. good luck with resolving your issues.


**** I should also respond to your statment that I make you feel uncomfortable. I know that I do. We both know why I make you feel uneasy and uncomfortable- most likely making you feel a certain pit in your stomach. It is simply because I know what you are. I know you and I know how malicious you can be towards those that believe in you and support you. I SAW what you did, first hand, to a young lady that believed in you. I saw you take her and bleed her dry, her plaintive posts and poems to you, crying out to you, unanswered. She came to me for help, which I gave her until you shattered her and left her nothing more than a shell. I wasn't there for her and you blamed me for that. You called me out on several posts for "ignoring" her and not helping her.. Unfortunately I was not even around during that time- but I would not have had to be there if you had not used her until there was nothing left.

Yes, you left her shattered. So you can note my "angry and abusive" posts but keep in mind, there are many here that can see through your manipulative communications. For those that don't... well, they will soon find out. Others did because you can't keep it contained- in a pinch you use what you have learned in confidence to drive a wedge between friends.. taunting them post after post..

Yes... you should feel very uneasy when you see my username.


Edited to take out the name of the person.

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adrienne
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posted June 25, 2007 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for adrienne     Edit/Delete Message
Stephen--

Blueroamer--
I think I get you loud and clear (on this and other threads)and I think you are strange and hillarious.

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AcousticGod
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posted June 25, 2007 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, BlueRoamer is great.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted June 25, 2007 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
So, I guess, "YOU DISGUST ME" was his idea of a joke?

I didn't get it.

I just felt hated.

For two hours I felt like I had shot bad dope,
and all this poison was coarsing through my veins and pooling in my guts.

I've known a few Scorpionic Sags with senses of humor like that.
One told me to kill myself, another told me I was a "negative f*ck".
Both times I went home contemplating suicide.
I'm too sensitive for that sh!t.
A lot of people are.

Both those Sags apologized to me.
Sometimes Sags don't know when they go too far.

Is it just me,
or is it hard to read sarcasm over the internet sometimes,
especially when you dont even know the person?

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted June 25, 2007 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Ada,

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