posted June 27, 2007 01:09 PM         

While the word is not offensive to either Zala or myself, it might be to others here at LL and as I said, any words that we type in our posts that are censored are not allowed by the rules of LL to be on the threads.

I think that Randall made the rule due to there being young teens here at LL and while, I hear more young people say the word than older people, I think it still is an attempt on his part to set a good example for them.

posted June 27, 2007 01:20 PM         

I admit to using the word myself but only when I really get

posted June 27, 2007 05:55 PM         

I cannot explain my distaste for HSC to you other than it stems from years of observing his behaviour. I realize you want to do well by your friend and you have. I am sure he is quite proud of you.

I referred to the past woman because he said I made him uncomfortable and asked me "why" on a couple of things. I told him why. It is borne out of my observations. My background is to see patterns and how those associate with disease and research. Too much to explain now.

I also see patterns in posting. I watch, observe and I make a call when I see someone constantly abusing others, specifically when using subterfuge. I finally called it.

I was geninune with I apologized to him and although it fell on deaf ears, I don't regret it. I said sorry and went on. But, time after time.. the same pattern emerged. I KNOW why.. I KNOW the cause and I KNOW how addicts can affect others. It is sad. .

If you read my posts to HSC on here and his responses, what you will see is that I had not picked up arms... I made my peace and he wrote one of his rambling diatribes admonishing me with his condescending speech sprinkled with words such as 'I thought more of you...I knew you would do this'. Like a King being disappointed by one of his peasants.

He is not my king nor do I consider what he has to offer a kingdom. A sentence to a negativity that parallels no one perhaps, but not a kingdom.

I think you are kind person LTT... I am not some evil ogre. I respect people when they respect others. Someday I believe you will start to know others from their posts and when someone that isn't quite familiar with a situation tries to mend fences, you will be in my position.

Still, it is admirable that you tried.

As to the pics.. yes, some were offensive. It makes me sick that someone can profess to support the troops and care for their lives when they post pics of them holding a gun, allowing an Iraqi child to look through the scope, with a degrogatory caption.

Yes.... love the troops and call them murderers in the same breath.

That is appalling and hypocritical.

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posted June 27, 2007 06:17 PM         

I haven't got Time to read through the (ever-increasing) billion threads here....I just think that there is good and bad in everyOne...Some see only the bad while others the good, depending on the 'EYE OF THE BEHOLDER'

All I feel is that "Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery....Today is a gift- That's why they call it THE PRESENT"

posted June 27, 2007 06:40 PM         

This is not new and I am not the only person to point it out. I did not join the last contentious thread where HSC demonstrated his underhanded capabilities.

Freedom of speech should apply to all. If someone wishes to speak loud through pics and denegrate our Soldiers and equate them to mindless, murderous thugs, then they should expect to afford the same freedom of speech to someone that counters it.

I don't buy into this "one love, we are all love and light" theory. I know not all are true, real nor do they care.

posted June 27, 2007 07:00 PM         

You and I are very different.

I don't want or need to explain myself to you,
especially when you refuse to do the same for me.

When I do take the time to point specific things out,
to ask questions and answer assaults,
you smugly ignore my questions and points,
and respond with the same generalized accusations and judgments
(then judge me for not answering you, lol).

If my tone is condescending,
yours is a thousand times more so.
Take a look at how you are speaking to me.

Then go back and answer the questions in my first long response to you,
and maybe you can have a right to expect some answers from me.

Otherwise, please, let it go and move on.

You are wrong about me, I'm a good person.

Look in your heart and find someone to love,
instead of looking for good people to hate.

Of all the things to be addicted to,
picking fights on the internet is one of the worst.

Let it go. Move on.
Stop continuing to bad mouth me in every post of yours,
after I have spent the day trying to leave you in peace.

HSC

LTT,

Please, dont argue with her,
it only encourages her to talk sh--.

posted June 27, 2007 07:26 PM         

His recent post is exactly what I am talking about regarding manipulation and subterfuge. Not once did you and I enter into an argument, yet he planted the seed of "don't argue with her".

He can't stand that people are on to his game. He can't stand that you and I are having a viable and civil conversation on this thread. He thrives on dissention- he always has.

HSC,

The more you post, the more you reveal your true nature. Keep it up, it's quite entertaining.

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posted June 27, 2007 09:41 PM         

SAIGON, Vietnam—The Saigon fire department, which has the job of collecting the dead from city streets, has just placed a girl, killed by U.S. helicopter fire, in the back of their truck, where her brother finds her, 1968.
© Philip Jones Griffiths / Magnum Photos

posted June 28, 2007 02:19 AM         

argument:

1. a. a reason given in proof or rebuttle
b. a discourse intended to persuade
2. a. the act or process of arguing: argumentation
b. a coherent series of statements leading from a premise to a conclusion
c. quarrel, disagreement

This is multiple choice,
and your choice says less about me
than I think you realize.

"Your dagger will never serve you as a mirror.
It will never tell you right from wrong.
And creatures comelier than angels
even seem in a dagger to have devil's faces."
~ Hakim Sanai

No choice of words is dagger-proof.

I beg you to set aside your dagger,
and consider the possibility,
however remote it may appear to you,
that I am speaking the truth.

This is really how I see this situation.
I am not lying or trying to mess with your head.
I'm speaking just as straight as you would expect
a person w/ Aries on the 3rd and Mars/Merc in Sag,
and strong Uranus/Aquarian placements to speak.
Truth is of the utmost importance to me.
So much so, that I sacrifice popularity for unmitigated honesty.

I don't know how else to convince you of this.

And, most of all,
I don't know why I care so much what you or anyone thinks of me.

It is a weakness of mine.

But I know what I know.
And I know you are mistaken.

You don't have to believe me, Pid.
You just need to have a reasonable doubt,
in order to reserve judgment.

I swear to you, I am truthful and direct.
If I am at fault here, it is for being too much so.

Look around you. Is there anyone who shares your opinion of me? No, there is not. Even those who disagree with me most frequently and vehemently can see that I mean well, and that my greatest flaw is being too frank.

Consider the accusation of arrogance...

Must it be arrogance (???), or is it perhaps possible, just possible, that what resembles arrogance, and what, in others, would be properly diagnosed as arrogance, is, in fact, a rare quality of frankness? The kind of frankness that would inspire a man to openly admit both his greatest flaws and his greatest gifts, as I have done?

Is it perhaps frankness, and not subterfuge, which might lead a person to apologize for small offenses, to people whose offenses are larger still? Could it not be frankness, coupled, perhaps, with a conscience so acute, that it stings over the smallest wrongdoing, while so many others feel no compunction whatsoever in having committed far greater crimes, and will not bend the knee to apologize, even when their crimes have been so clearly set before them?

Imagine we are not talking about me,
but some hypothetical individual.

Isn't it possible?

I couldn't make this stuff up if I tried.

This is the truth.

I know its hard to see people clearly on the internet, and it is so much harder to see people who are, not only different from ourselves, but different from 99.999% of the population, so that one must really have an open mind to perceive them clearly. I tell you, it is the case with me. All I do is surprise people who misjudge me. I talk to people from the internet on the phone and they say to me, "Wow, I thought your voice would be cold and intellectual, but its one of the most sensitive and empathetic voices I've ever heard on a man,". I've had at least three people say these approximate words to me. I listen to people, Pid. I'm the one they call when they want to hear an understanding, sympathetic voice. That's who I am. That's who you-know-who fell in love with, the moment she heard his voice. She probably told you that, as she told me. I loved that woman, and there is so much you do not know about her and about her situation, and I would love to enlighten you, but it is too private for this board, and perhaps too private for me to share at all. If she did not tell you these things (and it is clear from your assumptions that she did not), I doubt she would like it very much if I were to tell them to you. Suffice to say that it was not my decision to leave her (and I did not leave her), and that the price of being together was higher than it is for 9,999 out of 10,000 couples in this world. I'm sorry you cant see the tears in my eyes, or hear my voice break, when I talk about her, because that would be enough to convince you of what that magical woman meant to me, and means to me still. For your sake, I hope you never enter a serious relationship while Neptune is transiting your 1st house and exactly squaring your Scorpio Sun/VenusRx/MC/Uranus stellium the whole time. I also hope you never know what its like to feel like an alien in this world, and to suffer from Piscean weaknesses (SNode) - the ones that our culture is least forgiving of; though it tolerates much worse.

I still have hope that we can see eye to eye,
and find some kind of peace.
I swear I'm not trying to provoke you, Pid.
I have reread and edited this post three times now,
to be sure that there is nothing objectionable.
I hope you can see how I'm trying here.
I hope you can have a reasonable doubt.

If not,

Peace,
HSC

posted June 28, 2007 02:27 AM         

You can't go from one extreme to the other and expect someone to just say fine. You now ask that I understand you, when you have questioned my intentions when I genuinely apologized to you.

You ask me to "accept" what you have to say, when you started this thread by offering pictures of Soldiers as murderers, saying that you want to bring them home safely, then calling them murderers in the same sentence.

Are you kidding me? It doesn't work like that. You started your post with your typical arrogance and then ended with a plea.

There is no common ground between us. We will never see eye to eye. That is just something that has to be accepted.

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posted June 28, 2007 02:43 AM         

I have never found you as a cold / intellectual. I find you quite the opposite and I have told you. In my minds eye, I believe that you ARE quite soft spoken, sprinkling words of endearment to the person on the other end of the phone. The quiet listener that seems a friend when in actuality he gathers information on the person, slowly filing it away, to be used again at his discretion.

Yes... soft voice, probably a melodic laugh, very disarming, but something is not quite right.

It has more to do with you as a person and nothing to do with Astrology. YOU go beyond astrology and there is something there that isn't right or isn't whole.

I would also never assess you as being "frank" or "direct". I find you to be evasive, vague and speaking in riddles not because it is how you think, but it enables you to get out of sticky situations by explaining that you meant something different that the intent of which the statement came across.

The difference between us is that I am proud of who I am and what I stand for. I am not worried about whether people like me or not. I don't ever like hurting people, that hurts me deeply to see someone wounded. I also forgive quite easily and move on but I can only do that so many times before it becomes mundane and I realize the person does not want forgiveness as much as they want to continue a drama. That makes me feel tied down.

I've experienced those that play on the sympathy of others.. big puppy dog sad eyes that beg to be forgiven and loved... only to continue the cycle...manipulation.

I don't go for that and never will.

It is better to conserve your energy and relish in those that love you unconditionally than to waste time on someone that feels as I do.

Sorry, but that is the truth.

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posted June 28, 2007 02:45 AM         

I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU DON'T DISCUSS THIS MATTER OVER THE PHONE, INSTEAD OF HERE. THIS IS LIKE BEING ON JERRY SPRINGER

obsviously Pid has a problem with HSC.....if everything you said were true, why not leave it at that and LET others find out about him....instead you come back over and over and over and over.....both playing games of mental, verbal, emotional chess.....why? this matter is between you two.

posted June 28, 2007 02:49 AM         

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I realize the person does not want forgiveness as much as they want to continue a drama.

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posted June 28, 2007 02:53 AM         

I responded to you with kindness and left it at that.

Your darling HSC responded with an inflammatory remark- again, to which I responded that YOU and I did not have an argument.

He posted ANOTHER diatribe.

Lady, you need some help with your comprehension skills. He asked me several questions, called me out and asked me to respond. I DID.

If you have a problem with that, then talk to you dear sweet friend and get a grip on him. If that is something you CAN'T handle, then maybe it is YOU that needs to quit reading.

You have gone up and down throughout this thread, from angry posts, to apologizing.

I don't get you- my beef it not with you- this has to do with HSC and I. Do not tell me to quit posting and fawn all over him in the same breath while he is posting tripe to me.

Edited to add** as for a telephone conversation- NEVER.
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posted June 28, 2007 03:11 AM         

I don't care about this game of mental, emotional and verbal chess you two are playing.

Actually, I will fight for those I hardly know out of pure principle....they don't have to be a friend or close friend for me to empathize or feel compassion. LL is full of soul connections and soul dis-connections, distortions. LOL- I guess it is just the
expressing itself

But it HURTS. And I don't like to see anyone in pain. As for me getting involved, to me, this is just an interesting experiment

As is life!

Edited to add:
I have had similar feelings to what you, Pidaua have towards HSC, in the past, to another. I learned that it doesn't help anything....who truly has the right to judge another but GOD.....

Jeff Buckley- New Year's Prayer

Oooooo, Fall in light, fall in light. Fall in light, fall in light
Feel no shame for what you are (x5)
As you now are in your blood
Fall in light

Feel no shame for what you are
Feel no shame for what you are
Feel it as a water fall
Fall in light, ooh
Fall in light, fall in light, Fall in light, ooh
Fall in light, fall in light, fall in light
Grow in light

Stand absolved behind your electric chair, dancing
Stand absolved behind your electric chair, dancing
Past the sound within the sound
Past the voice within the voice

Leave your office
Run past your funeral
Leave your home, car
Leave your pulpit
Join us in the streets where we
Join us in the streets where we
Don’t belong, don’t belong
You and the stars
Throwing light

Ooooooh
Fall, fall
Ooooooh
Fall in light, fall in light. fall in light
Oooooh
Fall in light, fall in light fall in light
Grow in light

posted June 28, 2007 03:28 AM         

You told Pid in your post to let it go and move on. Then you came back and brought it up to her again.

I suggest we all do that. Just let it go and move on.

I am getting tired of this and I'm losing my patience.

posted June 28, 2007 04:34 AM         

Capital letters don't always indicate anger....quite often they are simply what they are, capital letters.....they just ask for definition where there seems to be obscurity.

On the surface of things, what I see is Pidaua attacking HSC and HSC defending himself.......get even deeper than that and Pidaua is obviously attacking to DEFEND as HSC is attacking back to DEFEND......the question is, WHO is Pidaua trying to defend- other knowflakes?- the soldiers?- her own hurt within? It just isn't clear so WHO AM I TO JUDGE? Perhaps I am wrong to take sides?

Let God be the judge. An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.

As in the macrocosm, so in the microcosm- this silly row is quite symbolic of what the rest of the world is going through, this is why I thought it would be interesting to see what would happen if I got involved- like I said, my own view on war vs ant-war is undecided.....I lean towards self-defense, but at the same time I feel only God can judge us.....Our governments are quite confused......

Yes, our governments are quite confused, AS ARE WE.

posted June 28, 2007 04:37 AM         

My sense of humor is dark and ironic, and my view of human nature complex. I've got enough understanding, compassion, and empathy in me to open my heart to murderers, especially unwitting ones. The cartoon with the soldier showing the kid the scope is clearly IRONIC, in case you could not tell; the idea being that such a situation would never happen because the soldiers dont even realize what they are doing, - but they are indeed killing the parents of small children. This is why it is not a contradiction for me. I see all these people caught up in something larger than themselves, and, in a sense, I see them all as victims, so, it is possible for my heart to go out to all of them, while still drawing attention to what they are doing, consciously or unconsciously.

You are so wrong about me. I'm not calculating. I dont play nice and store up the dirt on people. I'm just very open, affectionate, emotional, complex, passionate and impulsive. That soft side of me is as real as it gets, and the side that lashes out is real too, the difference being that the soft side is there 99% of the time, and the side that lashes out and says things impulsively is very infrequent and short-lived, albeit far-reaching in its effects.

My way of articulating myself is not sneaky. It is just highly aware, and endeavors to reflect the whole spectrum of my thoughts and feelings, which are sweeping, subtle, and nuanced. It's not my fault if you have trouble following my trains of thought, and imagine that I must be hiding things in all those big sentences. Sure, I could bark insults and six-syllable sentences, as you do, but that just isnt me.

And I wasn't feeling sorry for myself, but if I was, I would expect anyone with a heart not to be so insenstive. You say you've got one, but you obviously don't get it. You're more critical of the sensitive folks than you are of anyone else! That says everything, Pid. That's how hard-hearted people are! Get to know yourself.

quote:

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There is no common ground between us.
We will never see eye to eye.
That is just something that has to be accepted.

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I'm beginning to agree.
I guess that's some kind of common ground.

Mirandee,

quote:

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You told Pid in your post to let it go and move on. Then you came back and brought it up to her again.

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Um, wrong. I told her to let it go, then she didnt let it go, but proceeded to spew more venom, then I came back and tried to reason calmly with her.

quote:

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I suggest we all do that. Just let it go and move on.

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Duly noted. Thank you for sharing.

quote:

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I am getting tired of this and I'm losing my patience.

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Well, it doesnt concern you in the least, anyway,
so, if it bothers you, you are free to walk away.
You have my blessing and my envy.
No one is dragging your name through the mud,
and this isnt about you.