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ListensToTrees
Knowflake

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posted June 26, 2007 06:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
This has got me thinking now. I have read many spiritual writings about true compassion, etc....things about not being able to stop wars by more wars (incl. demonstrations)....couldn't really get my head around it or figure out if I agreed or not....

But, perhaps.....by putting up posters as such in this thread.....

In effect....

We are doing something which I just spoke against. We are DEMONIZING.

Pidaua, you do have a point

You see, my drive to be open-minded and striving to be enlightened makes me what I am....a bit of a loner....because it means I just can't take sides with anyone

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ListensToTrees
Knowflake

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posted June 26, 2007 07:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message

Love and Light.....to ALL

and to everyOne

I feel that is all I have to say now, on this matter.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted June 26, 2007 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Pid,


This is what she replied to you on that thread:

quote:
And Pid, Im sorry, I did feel kinda bad when NO ONE responded to my emails for a loooooooooong time, but Im over it now and hopefully moving on to bigger and better things now ...

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Mirandee
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posted June 26, 2007 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
Has someone turned out the lights and locked the door at GU? LOL Just kidding because my first reaction is that this thread should be at GU. However, this is FFA which means you can discuss anything you wish here.

I have not had much time to be here the past few days due to having to care for all 5 of my grandkids. My daughter in law had back surgery Monday and we are taking care of the kids for a couple of days. So I do have some reading to do. Luckily it is mostly pictures.

So far this is how I see it. HSC and others here are expressing their right of freedom of speech regarding the war. That is fine and their right to do so both for and against the war. I do understand Pid's feelings since her husband, Bear, is in harms way.

I only have one objection regarding this thread and that is that once again private matters are being brought onto the threads of LL which is in violation of the rules that Randall set for this site. It was his reason for closing the other thread where private matters were being revealed.

I am requesting that Pidaua please edit the personal things out of her posts and that HSC please remove the pictures that use the "F" word since that is also against the rules of LL. Any word that we cannot type on the threads in our posts is against the rules of LL to use.

Regarding private and personal matters, people's reputations can be ruined when private things are divulged on a public forum and that is why I think those rules were made. Of course once something is done like that and doubt is cast there may be no way to undo it with those who have read this thread. However we don't have to keep it on the threads for all to see in the future.

I am not into censorship and for that reason I would prefer that you both edit your own posts and comply with the rules of LL or I will have to do it.

Please, lets stick to the issue, which is how we feel about the war, lets try to do it in a sensitive way with regards to the feelings of others, and lets not get into personal attacks.

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Mirandee
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posted June 26, 2007 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
HSC, we crossed posts. Please edit out the information you just revealed about the woman in your post. She is not here any longer and I do not wish to see her private matters regarding her life on a public forum on the worldwide web.

She has the right to privacy.

This has been a request for both you and Pidaua to edit your own posts and work with me and Randall on this. Otherwise I will have to take the matter into my own hands and not for the intention of censorship but to comply with the rules that Randall set for this site.

Thank you both in advance.

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Azalaksh
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posted June 26, 2007 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
Mirandee

And I am requesting that LTT edit out the picture she has posted in *several* forums about the lady who would rather be f*ing mental.....

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Mirandee
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posted June 26, 2007 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, missed that one but see what you mean.

Same thing and you are right, Zala. LTT should edit that picture out due to the word in the caption.

That is Angelina Joline in the picture when she had that awesome build. She is 5'6 and weighs 93 lbs. now. Have you seen her latest pictures? Sad. Her normal weight is 120 lbs. and she was always so beautiful and had such a nice figure. If she doesn't start eating she is not going to be around to take care of all those children she has adopted.

Maybe the caption fits but I agree, the word isn't allowed on the forums.

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pidaua
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posted June 26, 2007 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
I had edited my posts to take out any the names and links to the former poster.


HSC..

It is telling that after all that was posted, you concentrated on your reponse about me not answering an e-mail. You failed to take responsibility for your own action.

In your world, you would set fire to a house, then blame the person that sold you matches for getting burned.

Nice mental universe.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted June 26, 2007 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
pid,

You showed up about 5 minutes too late.

I wrote a lot more,
totally put you in your place.
Man, you should have seen it.
Mirandee asked me to delete it,
and i realized she was right.


peace

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Dew
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posted June 26, 2007 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dew     Edit/Delete Message
As Gandhi says 'Be the change that you want to see in the world'.

And that is a universal truth.
So with that in mind, those soldiers who go to war, or who join the miltary in the first place, are seeking a world wherein they will have a reason for their chosen existence/profession.
And there is no two ways about that.
You cannot be forced to go to the military.
In most countries.
And in those countries where the decision to not go creates a whole lot of misery I have heard of those brave, dignified individuals who stick to their morals, do not go to war and as expected, they are imprisoned, flogged and what not.
I think there is absolutely no justification for war and any decision to go to war.
And if we say we are preparing our selves against harm, that is just incitement.

As Gandhi says again 'An eye for an eye and we all go blind'.

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pidaua
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posted June 26, 2007 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
Hmm HSC.. you sound like a child playing the "I know you are but what am I game".

Good for you. We both know the truth and that is all that is left to say.

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adrienne
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posted June 26, 2007 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for adrienne     Edit/Delete Message
Dew

I simply cannot wrap my mind around the idea of war. Of killing people...as if any person has the right to say who should live and who should die. I just don't understand it...

And the earth, this little planet that people are fighting over little sections of as well as the black greasy junk that comes out of it.....the earth was here long before us and it will be here long after us (I hope). How (on earth) could we humans possibly have such hubris to think that we could OWN specific segmants of it? It doesn't belong to Israelis, it doesn't belong to Palestinians, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T BELONG TO HUMANS! geeze!

I just cannot wrap my mind around this killing.

I hope everyone reading this will understand that I am not attacking any else's opinion in the stating of my own.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted June 26, 2007 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Ada,


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Pid,

The truth?
I wince to see that word in your mouth.
You don't know the half of it.
If you did, you could never say those things.
There's so much you don't know, and never will.
But I know. And your bull doesnt phase me.

The only thing that bothers me is knowing how it would horrify this woman
to see you use her, and what she and I shared, in your twisted attacks on me.


peace,
hsc

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Azalaksh
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posted June 26, 2007 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
The truth? I wince to see that word in your mouth. You don't know the half of it.
I feel this is where we *all* get bogged down, or perhaps I should just speak for myself.....
I have not yet discovered THE Truth -- all I know is *my* perceptions coming in thru *my* filters, and sorted/organized into coherency by *my* values.....
But for anyone who HAS discovered Their Truth -- bless you But please let me, and others, discover and express our own Truths without telling them they don't know the half of it..... So be it -- if we don't know the half of it, let us continue on our paths until that day when we may find ourselves near to the half of it.....
This is probably an expression of Saturn/Neptune (thanks 26T )

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted June 26, 2007 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
'Zala,

I was not talking about Truth with a capital "T",
I was talking about specific instances,
the latest of which is my personal business,
and something Pid knows next to nothing about.
That is a fact, and it is the truth.

I appreciate that you want the freedom not to be told what to think.
You have that freedom. You always have.

And I have the freedom to call "truth" that which I see as truth,
without qualifying myself all the time.

You've raised this gripe before.
I'm not sure what would make you happy.

Do you need me to say, "As I see it",
after every single thing I say,
or can we just assume that this goes without saying?

Honestly, what do you want from me?

If I think you dont know something,
I'm going to tell it to you,
and, yes, I may even say "you dont know".
What nerve!

Who cares? Seriously.

At least I am the type to share what I find.

How many people are out there who never share what they know?

OMG, did I say "know"?

I'm really being brutally blunt tonight.

Somebody gag this guy!!

Can't you put up with me saying plainly, "you dont get it"?

Is that really so bad?



HSC

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Azalaksh
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posted June 26, 2007 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
Stephen, please -- this has nothing to do with "making me happy".....
The only point I wanted to raise was that Pid had a friendship with this woman too, yes?? And that *maybe* she might therefore have an itty-bitty portion of her *own* truth??
That's all.....

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Mirandee
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posted June 26, 2007 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you very much, Pid and HSC for your cooperation in editing your posts.

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pidaua
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posted June 26, 2007 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
HSC,

The childish posts are getting old. If you don't get your way, if you can't convince people of what YOU perceive to be the Truth you automatically slip into the childish phase. You're above post is proof as you throw your cyber self onto the ground, pounding your cyber fists screaming..'but Pid aired my personal business'

As if you have right to air out others business and then pretend to have a right to privacy.

First off, I did NOT put out any actual e-mails at all. I posted links to post on a public forum. I had a personal friendship with the person and therefore have a "truth" about events as they pertained to me.

It is comical that you try to change the truth, as it affected me because you don't "like" the way it makes you looks. Claiming to be all knowing, claiming that there is so much I don't know, according to you, is absurd.

Regardless.. now we know why I make you feel uncomfortable. You don't do the same to me. I neither hate you or like you. I am seriously and utterly indifferent towards you.

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Dew
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posted June 27, 2007 06:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dew     Edit/Delete Message
adrienne, I have no idea what you are trying to say!
But if you are saying that war is unjustified...then you agreeing with what I wrote.

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ListensToTrees
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posted June 27, 2007 06:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!

It appears to me that people are re-acting to so much PAIN on this thread.

WHY?!!

Pidaua, I understand your feelings of disgust in relation to these posters.....But what, what has it got to do with this woman and HSC? Please.....

If I am allowed to express my own view on the matter of things, you are BOTH being slightly childish!

However, I can understand HSC's point of view slightly more because his own PERSONAL life which was purely between HE and the person in question has been USED in this thread, put up here for all to see in the hope of turning it into AMMUNITION against him just because you don't like- the topic of this thread. (Forgive me if my judgment is wrong, but this is how it SEEMS right now, from any logical perspective).

Hmmmmm
I'm sorry, but some things just have to be said.

I can see that HSC and Pidaua, you are both in a lot of pain right now

For goodness sake, STOP!!!

Be honest, Pidaua, what really bothers you so much about HSC? Are we to believe that your hostility is purely because of your dealings with the lady in question? Honestly? Do you really, in your heart, believe that he is such an evil person that you are trying to make him out to be?

Personally I think that we all have a right to stick up for ourselves when attacked. I think you should have read his side of the story. It wasn't hostile or anything, just personal stuff about THEIR relationship.

I'm sorry, but I had to speak out on this. I hate to stand back and watch people tear each other apart like this, and if I do honestly feel that someone has been treated unfairly by another, I cannot help but SPEAK.


P.S. Sure, Aza, Mirandee, I will edit out the Angelina Jolie poster in question....even though I personally like it a lot....I do not wish to offend anyOne

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ListensToTrees
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posted June 27, 2007 07:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
I'm so sorry. Pidaua, please don't think I am attacking. I do not wish to sound as if I am attacking you. I do not wish to cause you pain, only to speak my mind

I am not attacking you. But I guess what I am doing right now is taking sides.

Not so much out of BIAS but as a matter of honest principle.

Please find it in your hearts to forgive each other Please.

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ListensToTrees
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posted June 27, 2007 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
On the issue of attacking, if this is the way people chose, they must always expect to get as good as they give.

Life of Brian: "Eh....don't pass judgment on other people, or you might get judged yourself"

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Twinkle Stars
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ListensToTrees
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posted June 27, 2007 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
This is what LL gets like at times:

"TALK TO THE HAND, 'COS THE FACE DON'T WANNA HEAR IT!"
-Dr Evil, Austin Powers, in reference to Jerry Springer

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Mirandee
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posted June 27, 2007 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
I just wanted to let you all know that I am backtracking and systematically removing the name of the woman who has had personal things revealed about her on this thread. I am replacing her name with "this woman."

I am doing this in order to maintain this woman's right to privacy.

I requested that both HSC and Pidaua edit their own posts in order to maintain her privacy and they cooperated and did so. Pid has not brought up her name since then but HSC has and the rest of you continue to refer to her by name. I know that you are not doing this on purpose but it does kind of defeat the purpose of maintaining her right to privacy.

She has the right to privacy so please, stop referring to this poor woman by name in the future because this is a time consuming thing for me to have to do, and I might add, one that I do not like doing as I would rather have others edit their own posts.

I assure you that I left everything else in your posts untouched. I just removed the woman's name and replaced it with "this woman." Sorry to have to do this but her name continues to be put out on the worldwide web. It just is not right to do that to her and it against the privacy rules of LL. I know that you are not doing it on purpose. I just want to keep her name off this thread.

We all know who she is but I don't want others who haven't read this thread to know who she is if they read it in the future. I hope you all understand my purpose and I am asking you all to be conscious of it in the future and not refer to her by name.

Again, I am sorry for having to edit her name out of your posts and I hope that you understand my reasons for editing out her name. I realize that in some cases I may catch a lot of flak for doing so but it was a decision I made and this woman's right to privacy is worth the flak I may take in order to maintain her privacy.

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