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OMG Jay
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posted September 21, 2007 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OMG Jay     Edit/Delete Message
Isis when will it get into your head that this isn't a conspiracy theory?


There's already to much proof all over the place. Go out into the world and look!!!!!! Helloooooo the videos out there prove it but you are to blind to even realize it. Go learn some Latin. Order out of chaos!! Jesus what a dumbo!!!!

You plop down on your seat everyday, watch fox news, msnbc, cnn, and that's it. Your life is complete?

Come back to earth my child. Go do your research. You have no idea at all what so ever what is going on. I feel sorry for you.

The media got to you a long time ago.

Use your 2 eyes!!! It's that simple!!!

Why do you think our government would have the words: ORDER OUT OF CHAOS on our bills we use every day Isis? IT'S NOT MADE UP! IT'S ANOTHER LAGNUAGE THAT HAS BEEN AROUND FOR CENTURIES!!!

Go get your wallet look at it and learn some latin!!!!! holy crap it's so simple.


Damn. I don't want to be rude but she is just so dumb.

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Solane Star
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posted September 22, 2007 12:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
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It is akin to a marriage where one feels counseling is needed and the other refuses.
So their refusal; ie; denial of any problems, or their part in them, will often lead to the marriage ending. Too bad there is not a mediator/counselor service for friends, especially ones made on the internet. Additionally if one is so willing to let a friendship go without even trying to get to the root of the problem, work it out and come to better understand each other instead of not wanting to deal with it but instead choosing to sweep it under the rug and proclaim they never want to speak to one again...
Well their idea of what true friendship means must be very shallow indeed. Or their ego so big they would rather save face, go into denial convincing themselves the party they wronged is the one who broke up the friendship, rather then sincerely looking at it with the other and BOTH looking at where they rubbed each other the wrong way and growing from that understanding, It is much easier it seems to just throw all the good from before away for some rather than coming to a real understanding and a continuance of a friendship. Why do I keep going on rather than pretending things never happened? Because I do care. And I am trying to understand. But perhaps when others have made up their minds and stated their unwillingness to to work it out...it is too far gone already.
On that note.
I may as well throw in the towel on what appears to be a dance of futility.

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But some self proclaimed good Christian Americans act as if they deserved pistol whipped.
Some? An entire freaking self righteous church!


Will I think you just provided yours-ELF with all the answers that you need now to GET IT Fayte.....

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Additionally if one is so willing to let a friendship go without even trying to get to the root of the problem, work it out and come to better understand each other instead of not wanting to deal with it but instead choosing to sweep it under the rug and proclaim they never want to speak to one again...

These kinds of judgements calls on others is BIGOTRY at its best.

By means of Defiling, using Slander and Violating others Sanctity and your wondering way you don't have trust in some of your relationships???

I hope you GET IT this time, so you don't have to keep beating yours-elf up following some around LL and continuing to harass them with your attacks, that you always try to deny that you do, do this???

You need proof???

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But some self proclaimed good Christian Americans act as if they deserved pistol whipped.
Some? An entire freaking self righteous church!

Who needs Enemies, when one has Friends like this!!!

A direct stabb in the back! I see this to be the same long hold patterns that you have been doing and using all along sense you registered here at LL. You're your own worst ENEMY!!! By always Blaming others and saying that their the ones that are in denial and not you!!!

Enough is enough!!!

Lay it to rest so the wounds have time to heal and then just maybe you will see it in a different manner or LIGHT!!!!!!

Take heart and think of yours-ELF first Fayte!!! Time away to heal!!!

For the records Fayte, YOU ASKED!!!

God Bless You!!!





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Solane Star
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posted September 22, 2007 01:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
Fayte and if you try to justify or twist it around back at us and blame and continue to go on and on, not getting it.

Then you make my point!!!

Enough hurt!!!

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fayte.m
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posted September 22, 2007 03:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message

PS. Please if you are going to quote do not mix it in with your rants.
Difficult to see where quotes begin and end and your rants begin. And please use complete quotes not taken out of context of posts.
As to any further replies from me on this thread to your cryptic "us"; you have made it clear how any reply from me would be taken by your "us" no matter what I would say. Thank you.

Edit to add.
This is only one of my posts you took a quote out of context from.
My reply to OMG Jay:
OMG Jay ..thumbsup.. I know where you are coming from.
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And what enemies would this be? Muslims? What the media told you? I know many Muslims who would not hurt a fly.
Yes indeed! I am friends with a family here who have been abused and held at gunpoint by freedom loving good Christian Americans. I pointed out his being a Christian because after the he terrorized and pistol whipped the family on two separate occasions... because they are Muslims, and he was finally caught and prosecuted, HIS CHURCH DEFENDED HIM!Thats right! They said he was traumatized by 911!
That family came here to escape the terrors going on in their homeland. But some self proclaimed good Christian Americans act as if they deserved pistol whipped. Some? An entire freaking self righteous church!

I agree with the rest of your post too but enough folks already hate me because of my political/religious views and so I will not go into it at this time.
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>>>>>Solane your version of what I said was taken out of context:
Your version below twisting the meaning of what I said:
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But some self proclaimed good Christian Americans act as if they deserved pistol whipped.
Some? An entire freaking self righteous church!
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~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
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ListensToTrees
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posted September 22, 2007 04:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
I just posted this on another thread and I thought it may be relevant here also.

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No-one is perfect.

But we can chose to see and bring out the good qualities in each other.

Or vice-versa.

I'm sorry, but I can't help but feel tickled by 'squabbling squirrels' at times!

I'm more worried about the corruption of your police force than any of that. I'm sure the masculine- feminine thing will work itself out in Time.

I'm not saying the conspiracy theorists are right. Like I've said before.....I do not have "blind faith" in ANYTHING. I'm sure you have to look at BOTH sides to get the most accurate picture of what is going on. Just focusing on ONE biased sides distorts this, I feel.

I think taisers should be outlawed altogether. They are completely barbaric.

And I think every gun in the world should be destroyed.
Right away!


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It would be nice to evolve some sort of telethapy of the heart; empathy. A feeling, knowing inside how we are all interconnected. Empathy/ love would be a a law unto itself.

I have been wondering- perhaps we are only 'Free' or have 'Free Will' in as much as we are spiritually awakened. We are like Gods in amnesia. This amnesia is the source of our soul-sickness.

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ListensToTrees
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posted September 22, 2007 04:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
This thought just came into my head.

????
We all have to evolve at our own pace. 'Lightworkers' may come to assist humanity here. Simply because they feel for our suffering. But no-one can 'cure' the world.
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Mirandee
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posted September 22, 2007 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
Please. Let's at least try to keep things civil on a thread titled "Love Your Enemies."

OMG Jay, please refrain from personal attacks and name calling.

Isis is giving her thoughts and opinions and she has in no way attacked you or anyone else for your thoughts and opinions.

Isis made some good points in her post. Whoever we think may be behind the events of 9/11 or however we think it may have happened the fact remains that it did happen. All that has happened since 9/11 is the result of the U.S. and certain Muslim fanatical groups who see each other as enemies.

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Mirandee
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posted September 22, 2007 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
It is a very busy day today. My daughter is moving into her new home today and there is much going on here as a result of that.

I do not have time to respond here right now but will be back later.

Fayte, You did state on another thread here at FFA recently how much you appreciate "Brutal Honesty." It seems that is what Star is applying to you in her post. Are you really sure you want brutal honesty, Fayte?

Star is free to type and word her posts in a manner that she chooses to use. She does not have to do things according to your rules and directives. Nor does anyone else. We all have our own styles of posting.

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fayte.m
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posted September 22, 2007 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
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Star is free to type and word her posts in a manner that she chooses to use. She does not have to do things according to your rules and directives. Nor does anyone else. We all have our own styles of posting.
So her taking what I said out of context is fine in your mind?
She quoted my words out of context in her attempts too paint me out as a bigot:

"But some self proclaimed good Christian Americans act as if they deserved pistol whipped.
Some? An entire freaking self righteous church!"

>>>>>>Here is what I did say:

My reply to OMG Jay:
OMG Jay ..thumbsup: I know where you are coming from.

quote:
And what enemies would this be? Muslims? What the media told you? I know many Muslims who would not hurt a fly.
Yes indeed! I am friends with a family here who have been abused and held at gunpoint by freedom loving good Christian Americans. I pointed out his being a Christian because after the he terrorized and pistol whipped the family on two separate occasions... because they are Muslims, and he was finally caught and prosecuted, HIS CHURCH DEFENDED HIM!Thats right! They said he was traumatized by 911!
That family came here to escape the terrors going on in their homeland. But some self proclaimed good Christian Americans act as if they deserved pistol whipped. Some? An entire freaking self righteous church!

I agree with the rest of your post too but enough folks already hate me because of my political/religious views and so I will not go into it at this time.

>>>So Mirandee...I intentionally pointed out WHY I mentioned the word Christian, yet Solane took it personal, and I suspect even you perhaps, being that she referred to an "us"...(being offended yet again)
even when I explained why I said Christian.
If you both took that as a personal slam, then that is your thoughts not mine. I explained myself in that post quite clearly.
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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
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fayte.m
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posted September 22, 2007 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
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Star is free to type and word her posts in a manner that she chooses to use. She does not have to do things according to your rules and directives. Nor does anyone else. We all have our own styles of posting.
I am free to post as I see fit also. However it is good manners to put quotations in correctly
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and quotes in context, not out of context.

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Fayte, You did state on another thread here at FFA recently how much you appreciate "Brutal Honesty." It seems that is what Star is applying to you in her post. Are you really sure you want brutal honesty, Fayte?
Yes I appreciate brutal honesty. But what she is saying and implying is not true. As you yourself have said...brutal honesty does not mean lying about another, insulting another, and being just plain nasty and rude. Brutal honesty should never be an excuse to attack. It should be a method to discuss things and work out misunderstandings. It is her opinion, her assumptions and taking out of context my words and assigning her own meanings to things said that are not mine meanings. It serves no valid purpose to facilitate communication.

To continue..
On the subject of BRUTAL HONESTY...
stating a Truth emphatically is noble. However, loudly screaming to describe your perception of someone does not make your words the Truth, no matter how strongly you Truly perceive them to be. Brutal Honesty is more than screaming "this is what I believe, so it must be RIGHT!" Everyone is entitled to their opinions and perceptions, but honest perception, both of one's self and of others, can carry with it a wisdom of knowing when to remain silent amongst the rabble. Brutal honesty works best when both parties have an earnest desire to look within and learn.
This playground mentality is getting old and I have done my best to try to communicate clearly.
As Solane clearly indicated she and her "us" will continue to let emotions instead of logic determine their responses and anything I say will not be taken in the way I intended. It is quite clear that minds are made up concerning me and there is nothing I can do to change that. Ones convinced against their will are of the same opinions still...
There is no sign here of late that there is any real willingness to understand my words and to work the prior misunderstandings out. I forgive you both for the unjustified vicious attacks on me due to your misunderstandings of my words.
As with Solar Justice recently, misunderstandings just happen at times. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/008760-2.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002836-2.html
He at least had the maturity and decency to admit his error and not go into denial and sweep it under the rug and take a stance of being proud of having selective memory to avoid facing the me.
Again I thank him for not hiding and I forgive him wholeheartedly!

I expect no understanding from you or Solane. You both have and will continue to read what you both want to into anything I have said or will. That you have both made quite clear.

I still forgive you both for the vicious attacks on me. It was a misunderstanding.
But I do not forgive you for your stubborn refusals to work it out but instead wish to hurry and make it magically go away so you do not have to deal with it and work it out until and understanding is found and we could all shake hands and SINCERELY FORGIVE, and SINCERE APOLOGIES HAVE BEEN GIVEN, as I and Solar Justice did..and THEN we could let it go! That is brutal real true honesty geared to change and real communication!


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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
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Solane Star
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posted September 22, 2007 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message

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Solane Star
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posted September 23, 2007 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
Fayte I have a question to ask you, I hope you don't mind????

Could you please show me where Mirandee or I have ever posted, that we hate you. Please feel free to quote us.

Bet you couldn't found one??????

The word hate is a very strong energy held word and I have always known this, so on that note I have choose to terminate that word hate all together from my vocab.

Or are you going to say, that when you can't find any times that we used the word hate, to referr to you, that we deleted them???

You always feeding the masses mind with your subliminal messages with words like " Hate "!!! Use them enough and others may believe you!!!

Thanks!!!

Just asking!!!

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fayte.m
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posted September 23, 2007 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
I see the game you are playing here Solane.
Go play with yourself.

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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
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Solane Star
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posted September 23, 2007 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
I knew you couldn't answer that one, so maybe we should put on our rose coloured glasses and swept it under the rug. Oh sh!t I threw the rug out!!!

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fayte.m
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posted September 23, 2007 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Oh I could but not going to play with you.
You are not ready to play nice.
So it would be futile.
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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
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Solane Star
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posted September 23, 2007 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
You already are!!!

Did you throw your rug out yet???LOL!!!

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fayte.m
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posted September 23, 2007 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Didn't have one to throw out but since you threw yours out nothing I say will matter to you so go find another rug and crawl under it. Or get on your flying one and go zoom about in yadda yadda la la land.
Bye!Bye!

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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
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Solane Star
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posted September 23, 2007 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
Does this mean that your playing with me now?

I'm a little confused now, you keep coming back, but not answering me?

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Solane Star
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posted September 23, 2007 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
Are you beating around my bush?

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Solane Star
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posted September 23, 2007 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
Stop it, your making me Laugh, this is good, right!!!

I think it maybe a good beginning for you and I!!!

A new place to start!!!!

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Solane Star
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posted September 23, 2007 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
Ahhh, come on play with me, I really need some friends, Fayte!!!


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Solane Star
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posted September 24, 2007 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
AHHHH, you Happy now, I'm so very Sad!!!

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bleakbeauty
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posted September 24, 2007 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bleakbeauty     Edit/Delete Message
geez!

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miss_muffet
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posted September 24, 2007 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for miss_muffet     Edit/Delete Message
This is way too immature, even for you Solane.

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ListensToTrees
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posted September 24, 2007 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message

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