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sthenri unregistered
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posted October 10, 2003 09:47 PM
Cristina I think working with children would be really good for, I know quite a few people with your aspects. Zoka, if mercury is conjunct neptune in the 6th in scorpio what does that say about that person? I know a libra with this aspect and most his planets are in the 6th, all except mars in the 7th and venus in the 5th. His midheaven is libra, and north node is leo in the 5th. He is considering working with children too, and he's an artist. He seems unhappy about being unable to decide, a Libra trait and I can't really judge his nature even though I've known him for years. He seems to love children but gets moody because he has a son who he lost in a custody battle. I don't know if it would suit him or not. Natasha Taurus/Cancer Moon IP: Logged |
proxieme unregistered
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posted October 10, 2003 09:52 PM
Okie, zoka - I'm sorta-kinda gone from here temporarily, but peeping back on your skill intrigues me.I'd love to submit to your magnifier if you've the time. 12 MAR 1980 9:43 PM EST Fairfax, Virginia, USA IP: Logged |
cristiname Knowflake Posts: 66 From: Earth. Welcome! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 11, 2003 01:27 PM
what aspects, exactly, natasha?I do have a very special kind of relationship with all children (as moon rules my 5th, and 6th) but i don't think I could work with children, doing therapy, that is. I seem to take on very easily whatever emotional state the other is experiencing, and I seem to have deep emotional inconsciencious connections with clients and generally people i let myself get that way with. I just don't want to know the kind of pain and suffering a child might be going through. I couldn't deal with it...it 's a very sensitive place for me and I have to protect myself somehow...kids are out of the question! of course, I'll wait to see what zoka has to say about me.... sometimes fears keep you from doing what u're supposed to be doing cristina IP: Logged |
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posted October 12, 2003 09:55 PM
ZokaI have been reading this string with intrest,i was wondering if you could look at my chart for me, as I have been sick, and no-one can pin point what it is. my bithday is 2nd march 1967. Sydney Australia...I am not sure of my time of birth ..but i think it is in the afternoon I understand if you are unable to do it, as I would assume you are really busy!
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zoka unregistered
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posted October 14, 2003 07:21 AM
Hi!Proxieme: I have taken a quick look at the composite chart of you and your husband, the synastry chart to see how marriage will work and what to expect from this pregnancy and future ones. Your synastry charts are quite OK. and I think you have found someone who really loves you. You are both quite compatible with each others life-style, views and goals and you have the reasonable amount of "home aspects" to make this relationship work in the domestic area. To your surprise, you may even find out that you have more in common as husband and wife than as boyfriend girlfriend (Sun/Moon conjunction near the IC) and you both will make excellent hosts, you will have a flat that is on the top floor of a building with a lot of technical equipment (stereos, videos, computer) and you tend to like the modern stuff, although the antique and old-fashioned stuff will be there too. A great combination of old and new and this shows a pretty house. You should have a small aquarium with fishes that separates the kitchen/dining room from the living room. Your house will be quite a challenge and you will focus all your energy in it, except when going out to restaurants or to the theater or museum (as you should like culture). The one thing that is not prominent is the career part and this could lead to misunderstandings in this area - maybe you will decide to go back to school as your partner gets a new job in another country. If you ever decide to open a family business - don't! You both have very different views in this area and you will be the one that is going to compromise. You agree that kids should be raised with a firm hand and strong moral values. Well, thinking and doing it are two different things. I would leave your husband that task, as the Aquarius Moon tends to be more diplomatic and forgiving than demanded. He will give the kid a slap or two, if they are really bad. Overall, I think this is a good chart according to your age and the aspects show exactly what young people want from a relationship between 20-25, as the strongest aspects have Mars/Venus (sex and love) and the Moon (feeling close). This is a strong indicator that most people, friends or relatives do not give you even a year, as they say you are too young - I do not think so. This shows that your relationship is close on the inside and that is the most important thing in a bond. The intellectual sphere is empty, so maybe you will have different hobbies and interests. You are more in love than he is and your feelings a deeper. But he will give you the extra push and structure in your life, you the joy. But, during the time you both enter your 40-ties, there could be trouble. The sex won't be as interesting as 20 years ago, the kids out of the house, so you will have to share the intellectual part of yourselves - and there won't be any. Maybe plans won't be carried out the way you wanted to, or you may found out that you had different wishes. This is a relationship that is based upon feelings and not the brain or planning. So far I have to congratulate you, as it seems that you followed your instincts and decided to share your lives no matter what. And if not with long-term plans, deep thinking etc. this bond has what it takes to last: love. The composite chart is not so good, from an 'average' point of view: you have a total lack of earth, which will make the relationship unstable and with no solid foundations. But the love planets are magical: Venus and Moon are in Pisces and in the Vth house; looking at you you must be really in love and feel content. As the ruler of your VIIth is that same Venus 27th degree - point of exaltation - you were the one who initiated marriage and were mostly in love. Venus has a sextile with Mars, ruler of the VIth (sex,action) in the VIIth, so you will manage the every-day life. The trine with Uranus shows it has been a quick decision to get married, the square with Neptune mostly shows disappointment. This aspects works this way: before the marriage you are deeply in love and see everything through pink glasses. After a while, you will find that everything is not that charming and beautiful as you thought. But the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction (solid foundations) is in the XIth (plans) in Libra (marriage), so you will make the relationship work no matter what! As the male planets (Sun and Mars) make a heavy square, it will be more difficult for your husband to adjust his behavior to the new role in his life. The Sun squares Uranus, so there will be a time in his life when he will demand some space and freedom. As your female Pisces planets show a tolerant person, you will grant him that wish and endure all his extravagant flaws - the wider Moon/Pluto sextile shows this. The children and the home part will be dominant: a strong IVth house shows a couple who fights the outer world united and spend their time around the children and family. Children will be (mostly) planned, there will be a lot of them and they will never cause you any trouble - you will be proud of them! Sometimes you will even wonder what you have done to deserve such good kids. I have never seen a composite chart that has a Mercury without a single bad aspect. This helps with the so-so aspects in your synastry chart - the communication could be something you do not work on, just because it does not need any work at all! Or that your major interest will be your children (my guess). Your first delivery will be a Ceasarian birth, I am 90% sure of it. It should be a boy and someone who likes music (you should have a great voice too and be a good singer). You love children and my guess would be that you even work with them (nursery, school, kindergarten, hospital). My verdict? A good chart, if accepted that there will be some major changes during the first years of your marriage. This is a kind, romantic and gentle chart and I do not know how people fight the cruel world we live in with it. But they do. They live in their own magical castle, with their friends and lead a happy, simple life. You both have a strong bond and non-aggressive charts, so there should not be any major trouble like fights, beatings or arguments. The only problem will rise when the planet of illusions (Neptune) leaves the Sun and you see your husband for what he really is. Not bad, but maybe not the way you wanted him to be. And the female planets show someone who is ecstatic and unrealistic, so little disappointments are in order, but nothing dramatic or tragic. I can say you will lead a happy marriage, with all the ups and downs of it. And a word of advise: Uranus will be hitting the composite Venus in a couple of years (around 2010) and will leave Pisces during the year 2011. So those years will be the most critical for your marriage and if you love your husband during the time, give him all the freedom he wants and let him have an affair or two. If you want to save the marriage, then get separate houses, if necessary. After that, you both should calm down and lead a good life. But you have a lot of years until then and you should enjoy them, as there is a lot to enjoy. Congratulations on your wedding and an easy delivery (won't be, you have the transit Saturn in your VIIIth - it will take some time for that baby to come, especially if he is a Taurus!). I did not forget anyone and the rest of the charts will be ready in a day or two. If anyone has a problem she/he feels uncomfortable to talk about on the forum, or it is urgent, feel free to e-mail me and ask the question. Zoka (zorana24@yahoo.com) IP: Logged |
trillian Knowflake Posts: 53 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 14, 2003 09:29 AM
Corri, Zoka's reading is lookin' good for you! Congrats! It made me smile...(btw, nice to see you peekin' around...you've been missed) IP: Logged |
proxieme unregistered
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posted October 14, 2003 09:45 AM
Thank you for taking the peek, zoka  It seems grand, although I've got to say that I'm pretty disppointed that I'm more in love than he is...and I'm not sure about that "letting him have an affair or two"  But, I did say that I would submit to your magnifying glass - so, again, thank you.
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pidaua Knowflake Posts: 67 From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 14, 2003 10:42 AM
Hi Zoka, I appreciate all of the information that you have provided regarding my chart and pregnancy indicators. I am not sure if you had time to answer my question regarding actual listed birth time or birth time retifications. At any rate. My significant other and I are starting to get very serious. We have been together for two years, but we are now talking about taking the next step. First off, I will be moving back out West in the next 6-9 months to work on a joint project with another company. At the same time, he and I will be making more of a commitment as well as start a business together. We have also worked together for the last two years in the agriculture business. Can you please provide me any insight or advice? I would really appreciate it. I am definetly going to move back out West, so that I can be near my family and home. My birth info is listed but here it is again ( I am listing the actual birth time) December 16, 1969 11:45 pm Los Angeles (Artesia), California Him: July 28, 1969 11:59pm Moscow, Idaho (you can use the time zone for Post Falls, Idaho or Spokane, WA if you can't find Moscow, Idaho) Thanks for your time. Pidaua IP: Logged |
Duality unregistered
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posted October 14, 2003 01:16 PM
Hi Zoka,Just wanted to ask - what kind of composite do you use? Davidson relationship chart or the Midpoint one? Which do you think is best? What aspects do you consider good in a composite and which are harder in your view? What weight do you give to the synastry and what to the composite? Thanks. IP: Logged |
proxieme unregistered
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posted October 14, 2003 03:30 PM
Thanks, trillain - just couldn't stay away.Butting in, if I had to guess, zoka uses mid-point (since this is mine and Jase's Davidson  zoka, I'm going to echo Duality's questions; also, if you have time and are willing, what do you think of the composite picture given w/ this chart? IP: Logged |
StarlitSky unregistered
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posted October 14, 2003 06:47 PM
I feel this tread is far to long for me to read completely so my question is...Do you have to have both birth info from the spouses to see the "births"? If so just tell me and I'll add hubby's data. August 25 of 2002 we had a baby after 6 years together. The baby was not planed but really wanted. We are talking about a second pregnancy after new years. Is there any way to see this happening for us and also a way to see how many children we will have? 1977 april 26, Uppsala, Sweden Clock: 06:56 .... I'll ad hubby's birthdate anyway; 1976 aug 21, Stockholm, Sweden (don't know the time) *I understand if this post takes time to answer or isn't answered at all * Thanks, Starlit IP: Logged |
zoka unregistered
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posted October 18, 2003 11:45 AM
Hi!To be honest, I would use ALL of the charts, as I think the more you have, the more accurate the reading is going to be. I only used the midpoint composite chart because my teachers "swear by it" and found out that it was the most precise one. I have my objections, but I do not think anyone listens! And I have read an article that calls the composite chart "the compost chart". And there are questions. First, how do you calculate the midpoint? It never said "the nearest" midpoint. So when having an astrological impossibility like the Venus/Mercury square, the astrologers (or my program) decide to use the nearest point. And, in my opinion, the midpoint chart has no "life". Although you can look at the transits, you can not do a progression or direction. Where did it start? How old is it? I have found that the Davidson chart is the MOST accurate. The relationship exists BEFORE the two people have met and you can calculate the EXACT date of happenings. To a scary point. It is a REAL chart, not an astrological fiction and I found it to be more useful. There is ONE aspect in the composite chart that has NEVER failed me: Venus/Saturn conjunction and Mars/Saturn conjunction - this means that the bond will never be consummated, that the couple won't touch each other ever and that their is not going to be any sex. This was true in 99% of the midpoint composite charts I had. What aspects are bad and good in a synastry or composite chart? This is difficult to answer and I think we had a topic started by Aphrodite regarding that question and someone asked what our favorite synastry aspect is. The fact that this topic is interesting is the fact that every single person answered: "MY favorite synastry aspect is ..." It is hard to determine the future path of a relationship or marriage, even business bond, if you do not know what the two individuals WANT out of a bond. And this can get bizarre; a person who has Neptune in the Vth and Venus in XIIth, square or conjunction with Saturn in with more water in the chart than healthy, LOVES to SUFFER. If the person (lets say female) has the conjunction with Sun, she WANTS to love, but does not know how (the Vth house is connected to the way we express our love). So there you have someone who wants love, does not know how to get it and knows there are tears and sorrow in a bond (Saturn in a bad aspect with Venus gives more tears than any other aspect) will find the "perfect" mate - someone who will break her heart and leave her miserable. The Mars/Neptune square? Insecure about her own sexuality and there you have the perfect chart with disaster written all over it. A Moon/Sun trine person does not understand the everlasting wish for self-perfection of a Sun/Moon conjunction (better for men) or opposition (better for women). Why? He/she is already content. There is very little chance an intellectual sing is going to find a by Pluto, Uranus or Neptune squared Mars in violent sings. The first person is calm, needs to sit down and explain everything; the second needs to hit. But if a woman has her male planets in an 'awkward' position and the female planets are weak, you will have a woman ready to be beaten or at least slapped a few times by her mate. I have no fear for the Cappy/Aries/Scorpio/Leo Moon or Venus - those women fight back! And I mean it: make one of those girls mad and you will collect your teeth on the street. If her male planets are weak, she will have a "mama's boy" around herself, if they are strong - then you will have exploding relationships with vigorous sex, battles of the wills and heavy arguments. But that is something she WANTS exactly. Consciously, unconsciously or subconsciously - you name it. There are some aspects I like, some I do not. The fact that I want to chase a career and perhaps need an independent mate does not mean every woman wants the same thing; one of us here is going to be perfectly satisfied with a quiet husband and a bunch of kids. A few of us will need Superman. So there is no exact aspect I could call good, although the good aspects of benefactors are always good, bad aspects of them rarely make big trouble, mixed planets in aspect bring spice to life and the bad aspects of bad planets always cause trouble - especially if they are in a prominent place or rule a significant love or marital house. I know that bad aspects of benefactors bring eventually happiness, but with some grief and sacrifice of the two parties. The good aspects of the malefic bring a good result, but usually a third party has to suffer or the outer world is not very happy with the bond. I know that the conjunction is the aspect of friendship, sextile the aspect of partnership, the trine the aspect of love, square the aspect of hate and the opposition the aspect of enemies The strength goes: 90, 0, 180, 120 and 60. I always go for the Moon/Sun conjunction, although I have noticed that even if the planets are in the same sing, the conjunction works. My teacher calls the Moon/Sun aspect the 'Angel' aspect, although the square shows that they will have to make some sacrifice for the loved one. Venus/Mercury and Venus/Sun is always good. Moon/Venus is the cuddliest aspect of them all, and it would be good if the planets are at least in the same element or modality. I do not think that the Venus in Cappy and the Venus in Gemini react the same way, unless a third planet is connecting them. Mars/Venus is the pure erotic aspect, although the square can give jealousy. Mars/Venus and Sun/Mars are usually found in the charts of married couples, Saturn/Venus and Saturn/Sun, although the Mars/Saturn and Moon/Saturn is something to avoid. There are truly harsh and there is no point in forcing yourself to endure THOSE aspects. Every time Jupiter is involved there will be luck, so any aspect, even a bad one, can be good. Jupiter/Moon or Jupiter/Venus - the perfect love. I have found that Jupiter/Mercury and Jupiter/Sun can make the bond look like a business arrangement and this aspect is often found in the chart of business partners that have a blossoming company. I do not like the Uranus aspects nor the Neptune, nearly none of the ordinary people are capable to handle them. If you are a psychic, a musician or something above the common sphere, this is good for you; Mars/Neptune conjunction is often found in the rapist/victim chart, when there were drugs and alcohol involved. The Mars/Pluto shows pure rape and I have NEVER seen a chart of a happy couple with this aspect. Saturn/Uranus is a great aspect if you are ready to trow it all away for love and be rejected by society. See that couple that is together no matter what, neglecting the rules of society? Bet they have a close Saturn/Uranus conjunction. The trine shows that they will be together even after death, the square is heavy: those are people who meat during disasters and tragedies (floods, earthquakes etc.) and will have mutual tragedies in their lives. The Nodes are important too, as they can show the karmic bond and you should check the Asc and the Mc inter aspects and planet positions. I never cared for the "Oh, his Sun conjuncts my Desc" So? That is the partner in MY chart, I want him to conjunct ME ... or trine or make a sextile, whatever. But, the opposition shows that there is the strong man/woman line and this is the strongest indicator of great physical attraction - unless the thinking planets are involved, then you will have long discussions, mutual interests and, alas, no sex. The greatest friendships usually contain the Mars/Venus trine or sextile etc. So there are millions of ways to interpret an aspect. It depends upon the natal charts of the persons and the skill and experience of the astrologer. Just wait, in a couple of years you will need just one look to tell "Gross" or "Great". Practice makes the master! I would like to ask everyone a favor, if possible: please do not post your birth data and the question connected to it, until I have finished all the other charts that come before you. I do not want it to look like I prefer anyone over another and it would be very rude of me doing one person's chart and neglecting another's. The charts will be done soon, so no worry - none of you is forgotten. 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trillian Knowflake Posts: 53 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 18, 2003 04:12 PM
Fascinating post, interesting information...thank you for your continued insight, zoka!And there are others here whose knowledge I appreciate and am learning from, including Cat, Illog and Aphrodite...if I've forgotten others, my apologies. Thank you.  IP: Logged |
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posted October 19, 2003 11:27 AM
You rock, Zoka. IP: Logged |
Duality unregistered
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posted October 19, 2003 09:59 PM
Zoka, From here- quote: So there is no exact aspect I could call good, although the good aspects of benefactors are always good, bad aspects of them rarely make big trouble.....
And ONWARDS - Are you talking about aspects in the COMPOSITE?Great post, thanks  IP: Logged |
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posted October 20, 2003 10:50 AM
Dear Zoka, I have been reading Your messages with great interest and am always delighted with analytical and intelligent answers You give. I would be VERY, VERY grateful to You if You could find a minute to respond me briefly to my question. I have Sun in Leo in fifth house, Venus Mercury and Saturn in Cancer in fourth house, Moon in Libra in seventh and have been told that I will probably have only one or none children at all. This has been told to me by an amateur astrologer who has 5 children (she has Moon in fifth house). I am very worried, because I am trying to conceive and have no success yet. I am starting to be very, very desperate and would be very grateful to You if You could just reply me briefly and tell me Your opinion. I was born 25 July 1974 in Belgrade, Yugoslavia (20E30,44N49), at 9:45 PM. I hope You will find a minute and reply me as for I will eagerly wait for Your message. I thank You from the bottom of my heart in advance and wish You all the best Best regards Claire
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posted October 21, 2003 07:55 AM
Pozdrav iz Beograda!Claire, I have taken a careful look at your chart and I really wonder what IDIOT told you that you can not have children? The Moon has no traumatic aspects, not a single aspect with a malefic, just trines and sextiles. It is in Libra, and Libra is the Air sign, so yes, you will have to WAIT for children. But you have a lots of water and this is the sing of fertility, so no major problems here. Sun in the Vth in Leo? Mostly boys and there could, no ... SHOULD be more than one child. I do not think too much, however, as Saturn conjuncts the Mercury, but nothing alarming,as there is the trine with Jupiter and the conjunction with Venus. The square with Pluto shows that you can be very loud if needed and that no one should provoke you. You can't get pregnant now, because Saturn moves around the IVth (nothing 'new' will enter the house and is marching over your Mercury/Venus/Saturn and squaring your Moon (Vth house ruler). So no babies NOW, not no babies EVER! You really would have to have a "Oh my God" chart in order not to concieve. Wait until Jupiter (were you trying to get pregnant 2-3 years ago?) hits you Moon, makes a grand water trine with the "baby planets", and Saturn leaves those planets in the IVth, but does not hit the Vth and you will get pregnant. Even if Saturn in the Vth gives you trouble, there is always the option to wait a little longer (Saturn will leave the Vth house during October 2006) and Jupiter will be in Scorpio in the VIIIth, giving you an easy delivery. If you do have a problem (I doubt that) you can always have outpatient surgery, as your Moon has the most beautiful sextile with Mars in the VIth, making the surgery short and very succesful. Your Moon is 'void of course' but every other woman has such a Moon and it means waiting and adjusting to the new role as a wife and mother. As Uranus is here STOP to worry so much as it could affect your marriage! Everything will be fine. Never seen a chart with a strong Cancer house/Pisces trine and no babies! If you paid money for your chart, demand a refund! Zoka IP: Logged |
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posted October 21, 2003 01:59 PM
Anyone who tells anyone else that they cannot or might not or should not have children for any astrological reason whatsoever is an f*cking idiot. Placing the seed of doubt in anyone for any reason, especially for something so sacred as childbirth, is the worst possible thing anyone who purports to be an astrologer can ever do. Anyone who puts any stock, or fear, in the words of such a speaker should wake up and be fearless and smartly get to the beauty of babymaking by having you astrobiology dates calculated and then jumping in the sack with your co-creator on those dates. And ANY astrologer or one who purports to be an astrologer, who predicts or even suggests based on astrological factors that a peron should not have children, should be beaten, kicked to the curb, then ignored by the rest, in my not-so-humble opinion. Bright Blessings, Carlo IP: Logged |
pidaua Knowflake Posts: 67 From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 21, 2003 02:11 PM
Hey Carlo, Great points and you are totally on target!!! Hey how have you been? You have been so quiet lately. I hope all is well, Pidaua IP: Logged |
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posted October 21, 2003 05:24 PM
Draga Zoko, najlepse Vam hvala za Vas brzi i kao i uvek, astroloski argumentovan odgovor. I would like to tell You that You really eased my mind a lot, since I have been feeling really bad lately (not succeeding to conceive made me think about lot of nonsense and probably be under lot of pressure). You are really wonderful person who cares about people so much, to be very considerate and thoughtfull. I would just like to add that I totally agree with Carlo, since I am far away from being a person who is easily influenced by other people's opinions, but in this situation two and two made four and as I couldn't conceive I started wondering was that astrologer maybe right. Anyway, I thank You Zoka from the bottom of my heart for Your detailed answer, but mostly for Your more than human gesture to reply me at all. I wish You all the best in Your professional and private life, and I will eagerly read Your future messages Veliki pozdrav i sve najbolje Ljubi Vas Claire011 IP: Logged |
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posted October 21, 2003 06:32 PM
Dear Zoka, something I forgot to mention when I thanked You: You told me that my Sun in Leo in Vth house means mostly boys, so You've intrigued me - is there an indicator in woman's chart which can "tell" will baby be boy or girl? I am asking You this because the amateur astrologer who "predicted" that I'll probably have no babies, has 5 daughters (age from 1 to 9) and I am wondering is the fact she has 5 girls coincidence or will the next baby be also a girl? Can You see that in her chart maybe or in anyone's for that matter? Also, is there an indicator for woman's fertility in natal chart and if there is, what is it? Could You also tell me on the example of already mentioned amateur astrologer do You see any indicator for her to have only girls or not? She was born on 12 April 1974, at 1:30 PM, in Belgrade (paradox: she is Aries/Leo, and I am Leo/Aries). Her partner was born on 18 November 1973, at 1:15 AM, in Belgrade (Scorpio/Virgo). If all of this will take much of Your time, please forgive me and reply if You can briefly - I was just very intrigued by the fact that it is possible for an experienced astrologer to suspect what will be the sex of the not yet born baby. Again, I thank You for Your answer to me and wish You all the best Claire011 IP: Logged |
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posted October 22, 2003 06:40 AM
About pregnancies:Carlo is right. The one thing that scares women the most is the sentence "you can not have babies - ever" without an explanation, a little comfort etc. And the astrologer has to be really good in order to say NEVER. Sure, there are charts which show problems, like infections, women who decide to have children later in life, new diseases etc. But there are doctors too. If you are trying to get pregnant over ONE year and the baby is still not coming, something MIGHT be wrong and you should consult your physician. Medicine can do wonders and the baby area is no exception: one of the partners maybe has a problem and the problem has a cure and you should get it. Is the semen too slow? Artificial insemination? Maybe an infection that was not treated properly? Do a revision and bring everything to normal. And there are always new things that come along, so IF you have a problem - get the solution. However, I do not agree with Carlo about one thing: the women that should not have children. There are charts when you see that a woman is totally content with her career, hobbies, partner and her cat and that a baby would be a difficult challenge for her. But those women rarely ask about the children in their future and most of the women who ask about kids really want them. So you know right from the start who you are talking to. Can you predict boys/girls and fertility? Of course, but it takes great skill and precision and most of us do not bother (nor do the parents, they just want a healthy and happy child). You gave me the chart of the astrologer and yes, the Moon is in the Vth, but on the 29th degree in Sagittarius. So there you have a woman who has fulfilled her destiny by being a mother. Why 5 kids? The ruler of the Vth is in Pisces (many) and conjuncts Venus (girls) and has no bad aspects, except a square with Neptune. This means she has an unrealistic opinion about her children and that they will cause some troubles during her life. Her Mercury has the worse aspects, so there will be no problems wit the fertility (water in her chart), but with the kids. Mercury in Aries shows boys, or at least rascals and in the VIIIth little trouble-makers. And so on ... Her chart is far worse for making children than yours and I would not worry too much. This is just not the time. One more thing (a ovo ce te verovatno uvreditit), as you have her birth data and the birth data from her husband, I guess she is a close friend of yours or even a relative. If she still lives in Belgrade or somewhere near and decided to have children during the last 10 years, with full awareness and conscience, then she has more luck than brains and I would not listen to a word she has to say. And her 5 children are not the result of wanting all of them, but desperately trying to have a boy (is her husband from Montenegro?) and she is just frustrated. Getting pregnant with 19 (posto se rat u Hrvatskoj i Bosni razbuktao) means you have not finished college and you know how much money academic professors and doctors earn, and I do not see financial bliss in her chart, so there should not be a great deal of money too. Her main concern is not having another child, but taking care of her marriage, as Uranus (divorce) will be hitting her VIIth house cusp (marriage) soon. Do not worry, she probably just started to learn and is still new at this. If she started learning on her own, I must congratulate her, it takes a lot of strength, patience and time ... especially with 5 kids in the house. Her motivations are different from yours and yes you will have "prvo, pa musko!" and let no one tell you anything else. If you want, you can send me an e-mail and I can explain everything to you. The e-mail is: zorana24@yahoo.com Zoka IP: Logged |
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posted October 22, 2003 07:21 AM
Dear Zoka, You gave me a very fulfilling answer (and not in the least offending - ne da me niste uvredili, vec ste me ponovo prijatno iznenadili Vasom obzirnoscu da mi tako brzo odgovorite!). I will take an advantage on Your kindness and immediately write You a letter on Your yahoo adress (very brief one, promise to not take more than a 5 minutes of Your time for reading it). As for the amateur astrologer I talked to You about, You've guessed almost everything about her, except one thing (and that is the most bizzare of all)- she is not trying to have a boy, in fact I suspect (since You've rightly guessed she is someone I know great deal about, I'll explain that in the following letter)since she had at least two abortions after third month of pregnancy(which are not to be explain in right logic, because just one month after both abortions she conceived again and gave birth) I can only presume she knew that were boys and didn't want to have them. But that is so sick, that I just don't want to even start to think in that way. She is quite a strange character (in other areas of life), and I can't figure her out at all, so it would be very wrong of me to even presume anything about her. So please, think about all written above as my thoughts which were made out of not being able to understand why will someone have an abortion (and be very determined about it) and only one month after that stay pregnant again and give birth. Anyway, as I said before I'll write You, but here I just want to repeat once more THANK YOU for being so considerate and I wish You all the best Claire011
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posted October 22, 2003 07:24 AM
Hi Zoka, Just a clarification about something. In your post about synastry you said quote: So there is no exact aspect I could call good, although the good aspects of benefactors are always good, bad aspects of them rarely make big trouble.....
And ONWARDS - Are you talking about aspects in the COMPOSITE?
Great post, thanks
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posted October 22, 2003 08:34 AM
Hi Duality!Yes and no. There is the problem, when looking at the chart, with too much of something. Too much trines of benefactors will eventually give a lazy person, who wants that everything jumps into his/hers lap, who is confident about the future and even if something is very wrong with the life of that individual, he/she will say: "Everything is great" without any deeper thinking. Too much squares and oppositions lead to frustrations, harsh energy etc. The square shows that you will have to fight for everything in your life with a very slim chance to get it. Just imagine a person who puts 100% of effort in a task and gets less rewarded than a person with less skill and competence for the same job. Frustrating, right? But there are aspects between planets in the natal chart which are better if they are bad. The Moon/Jupiter trine, conjunction or sextile gives a happy person, but also loosens the moral values, so most of the criminals have that aspect. A square or opposition is therefore better. The Jupiter/Neptune good aspect will give a naive person (especially if you notice that the entire chart is kind and unsuspecting), but the square will give a man/woman who can spot a fraud from 100 miles and will expose her/him. The composite chart is different. First, you can not control the aspects, nor the planets or anything else. As as astrologer would say: "I have a Sun/Saturn square and I have a problem with authorities and a low sense of self-esteem. I can and will get help". But you can not send the relationship in therapy. So the natal aspects are something you can work on, the composite aspects you must learn to handle. The main problem is that people usually identify themselves with the good aspects and are rarely ready to admit that they have flaws. In a relationship they will all come out. A Jupiter/Venus square is not going to bring major trouble in a relationship (unless other aspects support it). It just means that the bond won't be legalized at all, or that there are legal, religious or moral obstacles. All the great and forbidden love stories must have such a square. A Venus/Saturn square will show a cold love in the meaning that there will be a great age difference between the partners and that one of them must be mature, stable and secure in order for the Venus to fully relax and give herself. There is no great mystery, try to figure out what Venus wants and how she wants to get it. As simple as that. But the Saturn/Mars square or Pluto/Mars or Pluto/Venus conjunctions are not considered as good although we had an expression during the synastry seminar: "Who loves Venus the most? Mars? No! Jupiter? No! She LOVES her Pluto." To make the answer short: there is always better to have a bad aspect of benefactors than no aspect at all. The good aspects of them are very helpful and will give you extra strength, hope and faith during difficult times. The good aspects of malefic are helpful too, if you have a challenge that requires endurance, humility, work etc. The bad ones show trouble and they are difficult to handle. And I mean very difficult. A Mars/Saturn square will show a man who has deep psychological problems connected with his own masculinity and sex-drive. This could lead to anger, then rage, then deeper problems and then heavy violence. Those aspects need work, but I do not know how you can explain to a woman that her husband is beating her because of the Mars/Saturn square? One more thing and this is about your chart. While the heavy cardinal aspects tend to make a person who starts everything and finishes nothing, with 1000 ideas and no plan, with too much energy and those fixed aspects tend to make a person who is stubborn, rarely changes his/hers mind and moves very slowly through life the mutable squares react in a total different way - affecting the brain. I have a lot of friends with your kind of charts who did not use their brains enough and this ended with deep depressions, neurotic tendencies and paranoia. The Gemini is connected to the lungs and in Tibetian medicine the lungs reflect our deepest sorrows and fears. You should try to keep your mind busy, as it is capable to come up with some strange ideas. Do IQ tests, crossword puzzles and always read a lot. The mutable squares are the greatest gift and the worse curse. If you play your cards right, you can develop your mind into something powerful and reach spheres most of us even do not know about. If you let your brain be, you will have a great problem in your life. About the astrologer having intended abortions I would like to make a brief comment: I know why she did it. Every pregnancy (not child) is represented with 1 house and if you spot a bad Vth house, but a good VIIth, you can have an abortion of the first pregnancy and skip to the next house. The IXth house and the XIth of the astrologer Claire asked about are with strong male planets and as Claire gave me the comment about her wanting only female children, I think she knew that they were boys and terminated the pregnancies. This is playing God and is strictly forbidden in every field of astrology and by every sane astrologer in the world. During my last exams I said to my astrology teacher that I was going to postpone my exam, as "Mercury was better positioned then and had a lovely trine with my Mercury". I was punished and was forced by my teacher to take that exam (which I failed, not because of the bad aspect, but because of the fact I was not studying enough for it ... who would have guessed it!) the first day and had to prepare for that exam during the worse Saturn/Mercury aspect ever. I thought I would never pass it - but I did. The woman will be severely punished by her own chart for doing that. I have seen one astrologer who did such a thing, wanting her children all to be Libras, as they are "the only thing in the Zodiac and therefore very interesting to observe". Her last child is a retard and she will have to look after him her whole life. We do not chose our children, they chose us in order to learn something and when you get pregnant they get ready to come to this world. Every time you have an abortion the child is sent back to wait a little longer and after a time he/she can get angry. ALL the children who chose YOU and your partner to be his/hers parents are going to come, no matter what you do. You can just **** them off. There is a great difference between choosing the day to "conceive a child" and killing one because "I do not like boys" and challenging the entire chart with this act. This is the strongest NO! I will ever say. Zoka
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