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Duality
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posted October 22, 2003 09:14 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Zoka,

Yes, if anything, I think TOO MUCH. I think ALL THE TIME, lol.

As for that astrologer that aborted babies because they were boys - IT'S MONSTRUOS!!! I don't have enough words to condemn her. I'm horrified to hear such a thing.
Needless to say, the same applies to women that abort girls for similar reasons.

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posted October 22, 2003 09:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Zoka,
I just sent You a mail to Your yahoo adress, so when You have little time, please look at it. Thank You for everything again, You are really special person!

Claire011

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posted October 22, 2003 03:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Question:
not only for Zoka, but for everyone who has been participating in this topic - I am curious if anyone knows are there indicators in natal chart for predicting twins? I have no knowledge about that, and I have noticed that no one of you has mentioned the possibility of "predicting" twins by some aspect in pregnant woman's chart. So, I was just wondering does anyone of you know is there a clue for experienced astrologer to follow and predict if a woman will have twins? Thanks in advance for anyone benevolent to reply and all the best!

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posted October 24, 2003 02:15 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pidua asked about retrification, whether is true (accurate) or not. If you don't have the exact birth time, your chart could be somewhat different from your life, leaving happenings unexplained and it is better to be as precise as possible. The retrification is good and helpful, if you know how to do it. By the time your mother brought you to this world she probably was in such a mental, emotional and physical state that she didn't care about the exact minute or second, even hour. She got her healthy baby and was content. If the nurses forgot to write the time down, they did it during their coffee break - perhaps even a few hours later. Nowadays the birth times are more accurate and you can spot this while looking at old and new birth certificates. The older ones (before 1980) usually have a 'round' number, while the newer ones have times like 09:13 or 16:57 etc. My father was born in '48 and they even put the wrong DAY in his birth certificate. My granny always said: "I was not that much in pain to forget an entire day!" and all the other family members confirmed that, as she gave birth at home, so I guess we can blame it on bureaucracy.

About Pidua, I really would like to know HOW your retrification was made and what the parameters were. I mean what planets or events in your life have been used and connected, as I was thinking about both times you gave me. A Leo Asc as far as I know, should give you blond and luxurious hair and blue/green eyes that remind of an cat, perhaps freckles and you should be short. The ruler of your rising sign is in Sagittarius in the IVth/Vth, so this just confirms it. And your reactions would be different. My guess would be that you are a Virgo Asc with the ruler in Cappy (darker look, but very pretty). But there are other things beside looks. If it is any help: look at the time when your divorce is final and check where Uranus is. It should be in conjunction with your VIIth house cusp. I was told that by the time your directional Desc/Asc conjuncts your Mars or Venus you will get married or meet that special person in your life. So your time could be much sooner, but then the divorce should have been started a long time ago (too long for my taste). But, the VIIth house cusp is also activated as soon you get married and you can calculate how many years you have been married and when the divorce is going to be final and make that number the difference between your Desc and your Mars. This is like the only clue I have.

I also would like Jennafer to e-mail me. As you do not have your hour of birth, there will be a retrification necessary and this takes quite some time using e-mails and would occupy this thread. As your health is the problem, you can contact me whenever you want and I will try to help you.

Pidua, if your Saturn IS in the IXth I would not count on getting married for the second time, or you will have to wait for the marriage at least 8 years. If the age difference of the partners is between 8-15 years this shows it and could indicate a bond with future. The planet Saturn has some beautiful aspects, meaning that the bond will be stable and long-lasting, but the opposition with Jupiter shows no sign of the "marital contract". The ruler of the IXth is in the VIIth, so this could show that you may return to your first husband. But this usually has another meaning: that you will accept this bond as the actual "marriage" in your life. Mars has great aspects and if you realize that this bond is not going to be about roses and kisses, this is something permanent. One note: the VIIth house is NOT connected to marriage in the classical meaning of getting married, but with EVERY long-lasting and stable relationship, where two people have taken the final step and stopped 'dating' and started living together. Many of us forget those significant relationships where two people shared every aspect of their lives, without getting married. So your first marriage must not be represented with the VIIth house.
And connected to another thread you started: During the beginning of the year 2007. Jupiter and Mars should conjunct your Venus very close, together with Pluto (although out of range) in your Vth. The Jupiter/Venus/Mars conjunction brings one of the greatest loves of our life, the Pluto aspect will make it something powerful and profound. If I were you I would not be sad right now because I have not predicted that your current partner is the "greatest love of your life". The conjunction you are going to experience is something unique. Those kind of aspects pass 99% of the people and many of us will NEVER experience such a great and deep LOVE as you will. Maybe this will show that the bond between your partner and yourself is going to get to another level or something fresh and new will enter in your life - I would say a totally new man and such deep feelings coming from both sides you will never experience again. I am so happy for you, no matter what happens during that time!

And now something off topic. I am glad that I have the privilege to do some charts here and to discuss the outcome with other people. If I have helped anyone to make the right choice or to solve a difficult problem - even better! Anyone who ever dealt with this huge field of knowledge knows how much time and effort you have to spend in order to do a chart. Sometimes you will have to waste more than hours to find a clue or starting point, or you will even have to ask for help. If I have missed an aspect during an interpretation, misinterpreted something or pointed out something that is not correct, please say so and use arguments based upon astrology or your own experience and common sense. The only person reacting in this manner was Duality, who always used an astrological comment or mentioned another form of manifestation of an aspect, depending upon her own experience and knowledge. I do not like comments that attack me personally and I hope none of the interpretations I gave attacked anyone, or made anyone feel that way. If I did, I am truly sorry. This was not my intention in any way. But I dislike comments like "Your Mercury must be in Leo, too dramatic and over-blowing everything" (For that matter, I have nothing in Leo and the ruler is not significant in my chart), because something is not the way she/he understood. Someone asked about the child-birth of my sister and how a nurse could have forgotten that her child was not all right. And how the doctors did not notice that. To make it short: she delivered her baby the night the US troops bombed the hospital she, and other mothers, were in.
Comments like "You must be using Raphael or another outdated technique" are out of order too, especially if the person does not support that claim with an example or anything similar. First, every astrology student has to pass the basics of "Christian Astrology", just like you have to pass synastry, horary or the mundane astrology. And if you read ANY astrology book you will notice that they have their roots in the "Tetrabiblios", which is considered to be the Bible of astrology by many experienced astrologers and is a few thousands years old. I use the modern astrology and most of my seminars were held by teachers from the USA, Australia or UK and who are the authors of the books we use to study. Some seminars were connected to the astrology from India or China, but they are of no use here. And they are not out-dated by any means, the creators of those theories are alive and kicking!

Zoka

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Aen
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posted October 28, 2003 02:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Zoka,

I finally had time to read throgh the entire thread.

First things first.
*hugs*
The story of your sister is devastating. I sincerely hope you are not being too hard on youself.


About astrology.
A novice learning here.

You say:
Mercury/Pluto someone who curses - a lot and has VERY bad thoughts. That is the person who sees the deeper and darker side of everything.

Merc square Pluto here. Clean use of language. Could you clarify what you mean by "very bad thoughts"? Dr. Evil plotting evil plans? Not here! "Deeper and darker.." I certainly have macabre sense of humour. Would that count? Also find solace and enlightment in storys and symbols most other people consirder depressing and sad. (Like Ragnarökk).

My crowded 3rd house's cusp is in Scorpio. You describe it as mute sign. Very interesting. Expressing my thoughts and feelings has always been with utmost importance. One of the most important thing to be precice. However, speaking up takes an effort. And there are quite often cases I regret not opening my mouth in time. I attributed this to Neptune in 3rd though.

You asked for no more chart requests before you are done with those already posted. I don't have a clear idea how long the list is, but at some point if you are willing and have time I would very much appreciate if you had time to take a look.

All the best!

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pidaua
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posted October 28, 2003 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Zoka,

Wow, you really amaze me with what you know. My birth time rectification was performed by someone that posted frequently on this forum, Shawn or astrotruth. Shawn used the dates of many significant events throughout my life and performed a calculation that determined my birth time to be at 9:36pm. When I was born, the doctor had induced labor since it was near Christmas and my mom was passed due. Also the doctor didn't want me to disrupt his holiday plans. LOL...

Anyway, there was my mom already in labor for more than 12 hours, by herself and ended up almost giving birth to me in the bathroom since she had to "really go", but the nurses got her in time and I was on my way. In the end the Doctor put down the 11:45pm time, but my mom wasn't totally sure. She knew with my brother because she was only in labor for 30 minutes or so and it was in the morning.

My mother has blonde hair and blue / green eyes. I favor my Cappy father with the dark hair and eyes. I am tall and well built meaning more athletic, long legged but I do have my Saggie hips. LOL...(You can see our pictures on this link: http://groups.msn.com/LindaLandjoints/shoebox.msnw?Page=4)

I do have long, thick hair and it is one of my favorite features. but personality wise, I do fit the Virgo rising description and I can see the Pluto conjunct ascendent in my life. I am shy when I first walk into a situation, I take everything in, then when I am comfortable...the Saggie sun just pops out. LOL..I see Venus working in my 3rd house and Mars in my 6th since I am a bit of a workaholic and I love writing and communcation.


As to my marriage. He was 16 years older than me and we were together longer than we should have been. I almost didn't go through with the wedding because I felt something wasn't right about the whole thing. He will always be my best friend, but there was absolutely no passion,but more like a sibling thing. One astrologer I met told me that there was a karmic debt to pay from many lifetimes ago and that I was now free to live my life. In the state where I live, two people have to be physically seperated for 1 full year, then the paperwork is sign, a judge reviews it, there is another court appearance...etc... So it can take about 1.5 to 3 years. In the mean time, it is legal to date. We couldn't file for seperation until we worked out the details on the agreement, alimony...etc.. So in actuality, we have been separted for more than 1.5 years and the divorce should be final in 2-3 months. Out here that is pretty quick. If I lived in my homestate of California it would have been about 3-6 months.

If you go by my rectified birth time, then Uranus is on my 7th (VII) house cusp. If you go by my birth certificate it is on the 6th (VI) cusp.

Mr. Virgo and I got married on May 6th 2000 in Annapolis, Maryland. I didn't have any planets in my 7th house but he had Pluto and chiron in his 7th house which also houses Sagittarius. He also had the Sun, Venus, Jupiter, Mercury and Saturn in his 12th house. If you go by my birth certificate time, then I was experiencing a Venus / Saturn conjunction which occured after my Saturn return. Also the Sun, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn and Merc were all transiting the 8th house.

I am not too worried about the marriage thing. Kind of funny huh, but I guess if it is meant to be, then it will happen. I feel the same way about the dude I am with. I love him deeply, but if he is not the one, then someone even better will come along. I have always had that kind of philosophy. Not to mention, the thought of a solid, contract, commitment has always caused some major apprehension in me. Still, I always have hope and I do want a family.

Again, thank you for the information. I foudn what you said to be very interesting and made me think of many things, which I enjoy.

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zoka
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posted October 29, 2003 07:43 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pidua,

thank you for that info you shared. It will help me with other retrifications. It is great when you have to move the birth-time an hour or two, but it is horrible when there are a few minutes involved which can alter the entire chart.
I know that if a planet is in conjunction with the next house cusp, you can interpret it as the planet in the next house (f.e. your Mercury is on the 5th degree of Cancer, the Vth house on the 10th, so technically your Mercury is in the IVth, but almost in the Vth). I found that this works when there are planets that will enter their domicile (Moon that will enter the IVth), but do believe it is a stretch, because this way we could interpret anything the way we like - OK. I do not like my Moon in the VIIIth, lets imagine it is in the IXth.
I will read the post carefully and will try to find it in your chart.
BTW: when you take a look at the wedding day, you can find out what will happen with your marriage. Do a chart and see if the VIIth house ruler shows divorce or if the Ist house ruler has an aspect with Saturn and Jupiter (Saturn: old, Jupiter: making things larger).
And the end of the marriage is shown with the IVth house, so there should be Uranus somewhere near. The first aspect that Venus makes will show if there is any love. Just a thought and thank you for the help.

Zoka

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posted October 29, 2003 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Zoka,

I looked at the chart. We had been married on May 6th 2000 in Annapolis, MD at 11:30 am (eastern time).

It shows that the ascendent is Leo (ruled by the Sun which was located in Taurus in the 10th house). In fact:

The Sun, Jupiter, Mercury, Venus and Saturn were all in Taurus and in the 10th house.

Venus only makes negatives aspects (and conjunctions) the harshest aspect is to Uranus in Aquarius in the 7th house. Aquarius is on the cusp of the 7th house and it's ruler is in that house as well, it forms negatives aspects to all the above planets in the 10th house, but it does make a soft aspect to Gemini in the 11th house.

Neptune is also in Aquarius in the 7th house making harsh aspects to all the 10th house planets, but trining with the moon and mars in the 11th house.

Only one planet is located in the lower portion of the chart (with the exception of Chiron) which is Pluto in Retrograde in Sagittarius, it is located in the 5th house.

If I knew then, what I know now. I would have changed the date to something more compatible. But I can see the tense aspects in that date. How sad

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Claire011
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posted October 29, 2003 06:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Zoka,
just wanted to THANK YOU for your kind letter which I just received and which pleasently suprised me, because you've kept your promise. Although you are very busy, you've found time for me and were very direct and open minded about some questions which intrigued me,for what I am very grateful to you. What surprised me most is the fact that you were not only right about some facts about my character and my relationship, but also on questions about my vocation (interest in deep history and antiquity) and some details (I do wear glasses and I do spend lots of time in theathers). You are obviously not only very skilled astrologer, but also very sharp minded person. Thank you so much for finding time for me and being so kind, but mostly thank you for helping me when I needed it - thank you for being on this forum and being irreplaceable with your inspiring messages

Best wishes to you
from the bottom of my heart

Claire

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PhantasmMysteria
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posted November 02, 2003 05:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello All, I was just hoping to possibly get an interpretation of my chart for possible pregnancy issues, if someonehas the time. I was born oct.18, 1983 at 6:08pm in Winchester, TN.
I really am not so much concerned with problems in my chart (though I do have horribly irregluar periods), but my fiance' is supposedly sterile from an accident he had when he was young. I do not know his birth time off-hand, but I will try to get it.
Thank you in advance! =)

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posted July 21, 2009 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
uranus in the fifth house natally or venus square uranus will defintly get the job done ahha for sure.


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I have Aquarius on my 5th house cusp...but my 5th house is empty.
My Uranus(scorp/2nd house) is square Saturn and trine Mars, i have 4 children. Ive also lost 2 approximately 4 months along.

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