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12thhousearies
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posted September 05, 2003 12:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello all wise ones,

My sister is trying to get pregnant and I am wondering if there is something to look for in her chart that may indicate that this is a possibilty for her.

eace:Cindi

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zoka
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posted September 06, 2003 04:42 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well Cindi,

I think you should check out the Vth house cusp, then the ruler of the Vth house and, above all, the moon position. I have noticed that women who are trying to get pregnant - without any success, usually have their moon in Capricorn, a square with Saturn, Uranus or Pluto. Is there anything about her chart you could share with us?

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12thhousearies
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posted September 06, 2003 05:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Zoka,

Natally, she has libra on the 5th house cusp, neptune and south node in scorpio in the 5th. Venus in the 9th squares neptune. Her moon is in cancer in the 1st.

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posted September 07, 2003 05:16 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What kind of aspects does the Moon have?

Anyway, women with the Moon in Cancer in the 1st house generally have a strong desire to be mothers. If her moon has a square with Saturn (Pluto and Neptune not possible) she will be waiting too long for her own taste. An aspect with Mars could indicate surgery.

I have noticed that Neptune in the Vth leads to numerous abortions (but NOT always!) or infections of the sign in question. This could mean that she has had a difficult infection or pelvic inflammatory disease. Venus rules the female reproductive system and I guess it is in Aquarius - if Neptune is somewhere around it this could make things difficult; maybe make her even not sure if she wants a baby NOW. Furthermore, Saturn just entered Cancer and will stay there almost a year. While crossing over your sisters moon (if her Moon trines her Neptune she will get pregnant when least expected and will make a "magical" mother) there is very little chance for her to conceive. After that, Saturn will make an opposition with her Venus, delaying things a little bit more.

I will consult an more experienced astrologer, do not tell your sister anything yet. I will get back to you on this one.

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12thhousearies
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posted September 07, 2003 08:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Zoka,
It may be easier for me to just give you her birthdate: 3/30/66 Waukegan, IL at 10:30 a.m.

Thanks in advance, Cindi

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posted September 08, 2003 05:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow Zoka, you really have a lot of insight into the subject. I have been trying to conceive for almost a year now. Could you have a quick look and tell me what you think?
10 July 1973
Brits, south africa
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zoka
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posted September 08, 2003 05:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Cindi,

First of all, I do not want you to think I am rude - which was not my intention in the first place! - but there are some things that need to be said first:
I will be glad if I can help your sister during her journey to become a mother (and looking at her chart I see she REALLY wants it), but there is a huge difference between an astrologer and a doctor. Other important facts MUST be considered. You should never consider the advice of an astrologer solemnly, unless he/she has some medical training. It is nice when an astrologer can give you a good advice, where to look or what to check out first, but I think it is my duty to say that a medical problem should be discussed with your physician first.
To be honest, there are no indications your sister will not get pregnant ever; I have done far worse charts of women who ended up with 3 or 4 children later. Her moon is in a fertile sign, her Mercury (children) is in a fertile sign. The only thing that stands out is that she has her Neptune in the Vth house in Scorpio. This means that she has had numerous infections of her reproductive system, inflammatory diseases etc. And the cute Scorpio tends to be persistent. Neptune in the Vth also indicates pregnancy when least expected and adoptions. And her Vth hose includes 3 signs, Libra, Scorpio and Sagittarius, so that means that Scorpio and Taurus do not have a house cusp. Those two signs rule, besides many other things, over the reproductive and hormonal system.
People with a Cancer rising sign are not comfortable going to the doctor to be poked, touched and examined and I guess she just left it. The square with Venus (Aquarius, IXth house - an affair and pregnancy with someone already married?) could indicate abortions that were not done properly. Or a cyst that was removed in a wrong way. The co-ruler of the Vth house is Pluto in the IVth that opposites the Mercury/Saturn conjunction (waiting for children and not a lot of them) which makes the waiting longer. The Moon has one distinct square with Mars in Aries (the surgical knife) which usually indicates the necessity for surgery.
Overall, I think your sister needs to wait a little longer. Saturn is marching over her Moon and her first house making her less fertile, but also depressed and worried for not having any children. She tends to worry a lot and plans things thoroughly, but this is not recommendable: making every intercourse a duty, worrying about getting pregnant tends to have a negative effect on the vagina and a sort of acid is produced that will kill the sperm, making the chance to have a baby even less. The year of 2002 was a good year to make a baby - what happened? She was happy and willing and her body was ready. Neptune is somewhere around her Venus, making her more confused about things ("if I can not get pregnant, maybe God didn't want me to be a mother ...")etc.
I will give you a good advice; according to your sister's chart, she should conceive a little later in her life and have LESS children than originally planed, but there is so much water in that same chart (fertile, fertile, fertile) and there are not too much and too heavy aspects that I am really confused.
There is one thing I should mention (and this could lead to heavy arguments, so you should choose whether to tell your sister or not): her 'male' planets are HOT. This gives a partner who is passionate and warm, but as a colleague of mine would say "so hot, they tend to burn themselves up". Maybe the problem is not in you sister? If she is trying to conceive over a year and has no success then there is only one thing I can say to you: make her and her partner go to the doctor and make them check things out. I guess it will be a minor surgery and after a year or two she should get pregnant. Delaying and denying things will not make the problem go away, just deeper and more complicated to solve. She has such a nice, gentle and warm chart and will make an excellent mother. If she feels things are taking too much time, she should visit a good gynecologist. If the major problem is not in her (and I think it is not; she had problems that every other woman had during her life and her aspects are not that problematic) there is always artificial insemination or another solution. Please make her see a specialist.

Hope there will be babies soon ...
zoka

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zoka
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posted September 08, 2003 06:14 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Moonshadow!

Just took a quick look at your chart: your Moon is in Scorpio on the last degrees, which makes things rather difficult. This Moon indicates mere hormonal problems and I would check out the possibility of PCOS. Your periods should be irregular and heavy, accompanied with pains in the lower abdomen.
But your main problem is something else: Saturn in your Vth house, which is delaying things a lot and in Gemini (the sign of children). One more thing - the Saturn in your Vth can cause problems with your Fallopian tubes and close them up. Are you sure everything is OK with your ovaries? Be sure to check this out! Furthermore, the transit Saturn is still in your Vth house and should be there for another few month. Just wait a little longer. Jupiter will go through your VIIIth house during this year and will make child-birth easy and give you a quick recovery. Your key is patience.

Zoka

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moonshadow
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posted September 08, 2003 06:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Zoka, you are spot on! I have pcos but I haven't had my ovaries checked for blockages. I am in the process of having that checked. So basically you think there will be a delay but it is not inpossible? Yes Saturn transit moving out of my 5th will probably make things quite a bit easier!

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12thhousearies
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posted September 08, 2003 09:38 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HI Zoka,

Your analysis has been very accurate! Actually, my sister has had problems(inflammatory) in the past and they did try to get pregnant last year. They JUST found out that her husband is sterile. It came as quite a shock to all of us. They have to see a specialist now. All of her testing has come out to be normal so far.
I found nothing that you have said to be at all rude, I am a RN so I understand where you are coming from. I am an astrology novice and I am still questioning things so your insight has been quite valuable to me. I believe the medical community can help her, I wanted to know if it was part of her destiny? I suppose.
You have given me hope
Thank you.
Cindi

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zoka
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posted September 08, 2003 03:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So glad I was able to help!

Cindi, looking at the chart of your sister I first thought of artificial insemination, but thought that SHE was the problem first. Whatever their desision may be, she will make a great mother and any child should be happy having her as the parent.
Moonshadow: so sorry to hear about your PCOS problem, but this should not stop you from getting pregnant - just wait until Saturn leaves the Vth house. A word of advice, as soon as Saturn goes through your VIth house make sure you are taking care of your health. As Saturn is in Cancer I think you will have problems with your breasts: they might shrink even a little. But seriously, take care.

Zoka

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moonshadow
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posted September 09, 2003 03:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Zoka! I will make sure I check regularly and I'll let you know how it goes.

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Duality
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posted September 09, 2003 05:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Zoka,

Can you assess my chances of having kids or fertility in general?

June 17 1968
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Romania, Iasi (27E35, 47N10)
Just to make things easier - Never tried to get pregnant. Never had STD's or infections and stuff (I'm very careful).

Thanks...

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The White Witch
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posted September 12, 2003 09:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Zoka!

I've been reading this link with keen interest, and wondered if you would be kind enough to have a look at mine and my partner's chart, to see if there's any indication of a child for us. I understand that you're not a doctor but would be very interested from an astrological point of view, what your findings might be.

When I was 21 I fell pregnant. My boyfriend at the time decided to 'walk away'. So, because I was alone and financially could not support myself or a child, decided to have a termination It was a very hard decision for me to make but I believed at the time that it was the right thing to do. Looking back I still think I made the right choice, but at the same time I have regrets.

I'm 33 now and am in a stable relationship. For the last 15 months my partner and I have been trying for a baby but without success. Over the last few years, for some strange reason, I've had it on my mind that I probably won't be able to fall pregnant again...I don't know why, it's just something that I feel. maybe I'm wrong or maybe I'm right...I don't know.

Would you please look into this for me and let me know what you come up with.

10th Dec 1969 @ 09:45am Fulham London

My partner's details:
17th Jun 1975 @ 12:55pm Carshalton Surrey

I look forward to hearing from you.

Tara

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Carlo
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posted September 14, 2003 10:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,

I have been doing astrobiology, or the calculating of fertility dates for women, for several years now. I can do it for conception planning or avoidance. If you are interested, read more at this link:

http://www.lovestarz.com/zzservices.html

and write me if you are interested. It is accurate and affordable

Bright Blessings,
Carlo

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zoka
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posted September 15, 2003 08:34 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Duality!

I took a quick look at your chart and I must say this is a difficult one! And the last two years must have been so hard to handle, as the transits were more than bad! Pluto is making an opposition with almost every planet you have, indicating major changes in the health or the professional area - working place (VIth, IXth and XIth house are involved). And Saturn was crossing over your VIth house cusp - and is still - and making a conjunction with your Stellium in Gemini, which indicates problems with your health and a very weak immune system at this time. The ruler of your rising sign is in Aries, a strong sign, but it's fall, so you should be a magnet for the flue or at least fever and every other infection that comes along.
You asked about the chance to get pregnant. Well, the chances are not so good, as your Moon is in a bad position and the ruler of your Vth house (children) is Mercury (children) in Gemini (children), but 'fried', because it is too close to the Sun and makes a square with the same Moon (mother). Your Moon is at the end of Pisces. Pisces good, end bad! This shows that you will be a mother later in your life, but that you are not infertile (the trine with Neptune confirms this), but won't get pregnant without troubles (a LOT of squares) and when you least expected. But there are some other things that worry me: the bad VIth house. You should be having a problem with your over-all health in general, and with the reproductive system itself. Gemini is connected to the lungs, arms, shoulders and hands and to the nervous system. The square with Pluto in Virgo (VIIIth house - terminal stuff, Virgo - health) shows that this will be something that lasts long and will be difficult to treat. The T-square with the Moon shows that it has affected your ability to get pregnant. The Moon itself shows that you had an reproductive infection that was not cured and at this point I should say that most people do not run to the doctor's office every time they cough or sneeze. So maybe it was a pelvic inflammatory disease which you left untreated, or a mild infection that is not discovered yet. The squares the Moon make shows something else: there could be a cyst (Pluto in VIIIth) which should be removed by laser surgery (square Mars/Uranus). The entire Yod-constellation (Stellium in Gemini/ Saturn in Aries and Neptune in Scorpio) you have is mainly connected to health issues and I would recommend seeing a doctor as soon as possible. Jupiter, the ruler of your XIth and XIIth house, hospitals and plans, is in Virgo (health and doctors), so you WILL be treated medically for the problems you experience, probably as an in-patient procedure. As Jupiter has good aspects with your Stellium in Gemini this should help. My guess would be to check your lungs, blood and thyroid, but everything else for that matter as your health is not that good. Uranus entered with Mars your second house (thyroid and hormones) making your health even more delicate. And there was no chance for you to get pregnant during the last 2 years, as Saturn was marching through your Vth house and crossed over the ruler of your Vth making a prominent square with the Moon. During the beginning of 2004 Saturn will enter your VIIth house, causing either problems with your partner or more stability and loyalty in the bond, but making a trine with the Moon and Neptune giving you the chance to conceive. The crossing of Mars over your Moon during November 2003 indicates surgery on your womb and ovaries, which should be done properly, but the outcome is still unclear to me. Jupiter is transiting over your Pluto (tumors and cysts and the ruler of your overall health) and shows growth.
To be honest, the chances for you to get pregnant are not overwhelming, but they are there, with all it troubles and difficulties. But there are other things you need to worry about, your health is not in such a good state and getting pregnant is the least of your problems now. I would advise you to go to your family physician and let him/her give you a good check-up. I really wish that I have made a mistake here ...

For theWitheWitch: is your birth place London in England? And I can not find the birth place of your partner, is it also in England? If it is a small place, give me the name of the nearest town!

Zoka

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posted September 15, 2003 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Zoka,

I would really love some advice concerning the ability to get pregnant. Not that I am trying, but I am having one of the most painful "times of the month" ever. I think it is a combination of stomach flu and work stress that has made this one a bit of a back breaker.

In any case, here is my information if you have time:

December 16, 1969 11:45pm Artesia, California (USA) (Although a birthtime retification shows a time of 9:36pm)

Thanks for your help.

Pidaua

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Duality
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posted September 15, 2003 02:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Zoka,

Thanks for your time and patience. Can't say that is very encouraging. I don't know what to say. I have never had an infection or menstruation problems of any kind.
I do have sensitive lungs and have suffered in childhood from reoccuring bronchitis. I do get the flue about twice every winter.

As for the past 2 years - They have been very difficult in many ways but very enlightening too so I'm not sorry for them.

Can it be that some of the aspects you mentioned, might manifest themselves in other areas of life and not in health issues necessarily?

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zoka
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posted September 15, 2003 02:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, I do not think so, as the VIth, the VIIIth and the XIIth houses are involved and those houses are connected with health matters. I do not think you have a major problem with your reproductive organs (womb, vagina, ovaries), just that current and future health issues could lead to problems in that area. But I would strongly advise a good check-up with your doctor, as your chart shows problems with your health that could develop into something chronic and delay conceiving.

Zoka

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Duality
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posted September 15, 2003 07:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Zuka,
Thanks, I will do that.
Just a question for general knowledge - What is considered a "late" position in a sign? From what degree does it become late? Does it apply to all planets and not just the Moon and what is the significance of a late/early position?

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zoka
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posted September 15, 2003 08:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi!

The 27th, 28th and the 29th degree are considered to be 'late' showing the weaker influence of the planet (according to my astrology teacher), while the 29th indicates delaying of everything that is connected with the planet and the specific sign and is considered to be the degree of "tears" (do not ask why) showing trouble and obstacles. But there is something I noticed right now looking at your chart: that your Moon is on the 27th degree in Pisces, where Venus has its exaltation (best influence) so this could mean there is no specific problem with your womb, just your over-all health and this is a good influence for conceiving girls. But I would check your health anyway, the squares are too strong not to indicate anything.

Zoka

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posted September 16, 2003 10:10 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Duality :-)

I have your ascendant at 14 Cap - is this correct?

I read Zoka's interpretation of your chart and I do do beg to differ on some of the points she made re: transits and health...

Tr. Pluto is currently at 17 degrees Sag - hence it is quite far from making any oppositional aspects to that natal 6th house Gemini stellium of yours. I tend to use fairly narrow orbs when looking at transiting aspects. Perhaps, when these oppsoitions do kick in, you will make a radical overview (Sag)of the way you look after your day to day affairs (6th house). This could (but not necessarily) include health, and perhaps alternative medicine might become an interest.

Your Capricorn ascendant ruler, Saturn, is well aspected by the Sun, Mercury, Mars Venus AND Jupiter, (3nd/6th house aspects)which might suggest a natural affinity with your own body.... Are you good at meeting your body's health needs instinctively (maybe) and intellectually (almost certainly, IMHO)? The moon is strong in the second house (the second being the exalted home of the moon) and it's natal oppositions with 8th house Pluto/Uranus might mean issues re; re: sharing your 'stuff', (secrets, emotions, as well as more tangible 'stuff') with others, particularly women... This might be something you have to deal with when tr. Pluto hits n. Pluto. That transit will (IME) bring 2/8th issues to the surface.

But (in my honest opinion) I cannot see any particular health problems on the horizon. Health checks? Yep; and this goes for all of us. Myself, I have an 8th Cap moon, opposing Mars, squaring Saturn etc, etc, and I'm so fertile it's a problem :> )

We have to be so careful when making judgements about a person based on their astrological data. Unless one has looked at, oh, a million charts, and has a 'spot on judgement correct' rate of 100%... then sure, say what you like. Otherwise it is potentially dangerous, certainly upsetting, and of no beneficial use at all.

TanyaXXX

P.S

Zoka, your relationship analysis (Soul Unions) stuff is fantastic. Picked up quite a few tips there. Thanks :-)


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posted September 16, 2003 12:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Tanzin!

I have read your interpretation and it is very interesting! Yes, the Moon is in the IInd house (endocrine system), but notice the squares! There are quite a lot of them and the opposition with Uranus and Pluto - what do you make of that? The ruler of the rising sign is in the IIIrd house (the Gemini house)
but is in the sign of it's fall. I have never seen a chart with this constellation that would not indicate a health problem which should be treated. And the transit Pluto is making an opposition with the ENTIRE VIth house and, although I would not prefer to interpret it as an opposition, my astrology teacher said it is necessary (do not know why. And I know that alternative medicine is connected with Neptune or Pisces, but that gave me a clue - as the trine with Moon is present, it could indicate new way of medical view. The VIIIth house is NOT connected with secrets, that is the XIIth house and (in medical astrology) could be connected with the thyroid, hormones and reproductive system. I must agree, that this is a difficult house to handle.
Your fertility is probably not connected with the Moon itself and your entire chart could be 'full' of water houses or planets and kids are indicated by Mercury and the Vth house, just like the Vth house ruler. The Moon in Capricorn should indicate a later pregnancy (square Saturn), or a Cesarean birth of one of your children. And if your Moon is on the 8th degree (Scorpios) I would recommend to check your right ovary at times. There could be a tumor - but must not be!
This IS a chart with medical problems and I have done over 100 medical charts, so I know what I am talking about. Cardinal and mutable squares do not react the same way. And you did not mention the Yod constellation, which is always connected to the health.
But I hope that you are right and that this is just a false alarm - and you are correct: an extra check-up never hurt anyone. This is not an alarming chart, but the last two years made her health weaker than usual and it is good to consult a doctor.

Zoka

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You know, I just took a peek at this thread for the first time today, because I'm not trying to get pregnant, don't really have any desire to be, and never have been.

Zoka, I have read before you mentioned it here that a Cappy moon is a big indicator of infertility. I've always wondered about that in my chart...my 5th house cusp is Sag, but I have a Moon/Jupiter conjunction in Capricorn in the 5th, and Saturn in Cappy also in the 5th (though not aspecting the moon/jupiter). So...I always figured babies weren't in the picture for me. I've generally been pretty careful about birth control (well, not as careful in my teen years, sorry to admit)...but I've also felt that my chances of actually conceiving are pretty nil.

Yeah, that Saturn is square my Sun and Venus in Aries, but the Moon/Jupiter are part of a double grand trine (though out of element)to my sun, ascendant and Pluto in Virgo in the 1st (which conjuncts my Leo rising). I'm not looking at my chart right now, but I think I got all that right. Not very fertile stuff, is it?

Went off the pill recently and am considering Neem oil as a possible alternative if needed in questionable times, but again, I've always wondered if it really mattered all that much, given all that Cap in the 5th house.

Just wondered if you concur.

Now, for all the ladies here trying to have babies, I wish you well, I wish you a happy conception and pregnancy.

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