posted October 27, 2007 03:18 PM              

In the USA a man is judged by how many women he can talk into things, and how often he can move on and be one of the guys. Women are taught if they are nice or know how to manage a man, they can train him. No amount of training is necessary, it happens inside. The young man in the story needs to change himself and raise his self esteem to be with the girl in the story. He has to see the benefit, and only he can do that. I am sure he had a good Mother but, there is pressure to be cool and eastern people are attracted so much to western movies and culture because of the freedom and energy in the men and women.

There is a lot to live up to, a romantic ideal, a man and woman fantasy. Everyone gets caught up in it. Marriage can't really exist the same way as in the East except with an easterner.

in the USA a man will do anything to have a partner even if for a few weeks, even if he doesn't know if it will work out he will try. Most men would have said sure, let's work it out without having a clue on what to do. Most likely he is working on some goal, or is waiting for ms. right.

Pisces have a thing about pressure too, they give in too easy and feel they prefer to be friends. I know Pisces men pretty well and they make better friends anyway as they can go cold and be celibate for years, having a girlfriend just makes it hard for them to keep their identity. They don't like routines.

posted October 27, 2007 06:43 PM              

ACTUALLY GEOCOSMIC WROTE JUST THE RIGHT THINGS I NEEDED TO HEAR. THANKS AGAIN FOR THAT! AND IT'S NOT THAT I CANT HANDLE CRITICISM, YOU ALL HAD GOOD POINTS WICH I'M TAKING IN BUT IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING I CAN LEARN FROM AND CORALS REPLY DIDN'T EVEN FEEL LIKE THAT THE MAIN MESSAGE THAT CAME ACROSS WAS HATE AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S NESSECARY. WHAT'S ALSO FUNNY IS THAT YOU ACT LIKE YOU KNOW ME?!?! COME ON YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN CARE ABOUT 'NAIVE PEOPLE' LIKE ME BUT YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BETTER TO DO WITH YOUR TIME... KINDA SAD.

MOST OF THE THINGS YOU GUYS WROTE I WOULD HAVE SAID TO MY FRIENDS BUT LIKE I SAID THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME I HAD SUCH FEELINGS FOR A GUY... AND ALL OF THE 18 PHONECALLS (THANKS 4 THE MATH ALMIGHTY CORAL) WERE NICE AND FUN BUT I JUST DIDN'T ASK HIM TO SEE HIM OVER AND OVER AGAIN I DID IT TWICE CAUSE THAT'S JUST ME.. I DON'T LIKE TO CHASE AND I JUST LOVED THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD. I STILL MISS HIM AND I KNOW I WILL FEEL THIS FOR A WHILE BUT I DON'T SEE IT AS A NEGATIVE THING ANYMORE. LIFE IS LIKE A NEVER ENDING SCHOOL AND I'M STILL LEARNING AND I HAVE A LOOOOOONG WAY TO GO... I KNOW!

posted October 27, 2007 07:09 PM            

VenusdeIndia, thanks to you as well.. I'm glad that you brought up differences in your culture, because I noticed myself that this was Western. Men and women don't seem very connected and a bit out of sink.

Nam, I have a lot of posts on here where I did share experiences. I'm sure they all come up in google lol I changed the post because there were things you said that I just didn't agree with.. and I realized my previous post didn't exactly say that. The main thing is - I don't agree with the fact that any sort of nice delivery.. would work in a situation where the person is so infatuated and wants to hear *only* positive stuff.
I’m not here to fight either.

Dulce, I don't think a nice delivery would work.. like I said before.. Actually, since we are online.. I guess *no* delivery would work anyway, including mine.. I thought mine would have a better chance though.

StillatLarge, just wanted to mention, that I don't think it's the girl's (or boy's) fault at all.. It's definitely faulty social views/media/politics etc..

Neptune, thank you I guess not everyone on this thread thinks I'm the wicked witch from the west lol

Orange, I'm very sorry (and not being sarcastic at all) that you felt so affected by people's replies on here. As I said previously to NAM, if you are a very emotional person.. putting these private things *out there*, on a board with many different people.. will not *only* get you feedback you like to see.

Geocosmic, I'm not doing this for attention. I just replied to ppl with my own opinions. I also don't think I'm mature or immature.. it's subjective. Different people see me differently. I was saying about those placements that this is what one usually reads about them.. so in my opinion a Capricorn Venus sounds astrologically mature..
You keep bringing up astrology in very biased ways I find. Capricorn and Pisces are signs, but we are people and we all express energies differently. This is why both Osama bin Laden and Einstein are/were Piscean.. and both Sarah Jessica Parker and Hitler have a Capricorn moon. If he *did* or *does* have very strong feelings, as you put it.. I'm sure he will do something about those feelings.
Unfortunately astrology can't explain everything. We are all human and we can all take nice or nasty actions, regardless of sign.. I'm sorry you feel, questions should only be treated astrologically. I didn't think this situation, as it sounded - called for a chart interpretation and giving her false hope.. but if in your opinion it does help, that's fine.. I think it's probably better to have a few different opinions – which she got here.
Good luck to you as well.

Sthenri, lol you are so right..

Imnaya, I think it's more likely that he is stringing along, also.

posted October 27, 2007 07:58 PM            

I think you need to learn how to read for comprehension or else you wouldn't repeat your same points over again. You're like Dick Cheney who keeps telling us that there were WMD's after it's been long proven that there never were any. In my last response to you I even asked you genuine questions to help you clarify your points in your own favor. I sincerely wanted you to prove me wrong, seriously. You haven't done that.

You actually have the gall to come to an astrological sight and tell the astrologers not to use astrology, only for what you deem to be valuable. If someone wants to find the button on their coat, you don't need astrology to tell them to look for it, but if you had any extended knowledge about astrology, you would know that astrology and numberology can help you find that button. Nothing is too trivial to learn about, even if your opinion is that it is.

You tell me and everyone here that this is all subjective. You didn't give Vanny the subjective treatment, but we're supposed to give it to you. Hmmm... interesting.

I've already told you that I have no problem with people's opinions, not even yours. It's your joyful disrespect for people that I have a problem with. There were others here who gave her the same opinions that you gave her without insulting her in the process. Not only that, you insulted almost all the women who participate in this forum in your response as well, and that is my beef with you.

Last but not least, no one knows Osama bin Laden's real birthday. When you find it on the internet, they are all rectifications.

posted October 27, 2007 08:09 PM              

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Alan J. Ouimet wrote, 7/26/2002, “Dear Lois and Noel: I am only to happy to share concerning Usama. The Interpol DOB - no time indicated is March 10, 1957 in Jidda. I have worked with this chart and am convinced that of the many DOB's on him - this is the one.”

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Two other sources - George Rijcke, an Interpol operative, and Karen Hamaker-Zondag,an astrologer who says she saw hospital records - claim the same date, same city and add the same time of 10:58 AM.

A long discussion on it can be found here: http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/binLadenOsama.htm

posted October 27, 2007 08:13 PM            

I forgot to thank you for your kind compliment earlier. Thank you, I appreciate it. Also, I enjoy this forum 99.9% of the time, I'm sure it will boost back up to 100% shortly. I think you guys have a wonderful thing going here.

Geocosmic Valentine

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"Everybody is a star!"

posted October 27, 2007 08:26 PM            

or this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne_Gacy

Either example would do.

posted October 27, 2007 08:31 PM            

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you insulted almost all the women who participate in this forum in your response as well, and that is my beef with you.

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posted October 27, 2007 08:32 PM            

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This thread isn't about me.

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No offense, but you kinda *made* this thread about you by stirring up the very thing you disdained most.......drama. Now what was that someone was saying about irony?

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Dulce, I don't think a nice delivery would work.. like I said before.. Actually, since we are online.. I guess *no* delivery would work anyway, including mine.. I thought mine would have a better chance though.

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Wait, first your talking about people not being honest enough and now your problem IS the delivery. My Virgo moon *much* appreciates it when people stick to their original argument. this is wayyy too confusing now, goodbye.

posted October 27, 2007 08:38 PM            

"nice delivery of truth"

and

"straight forward delivery of truth"

Above, at the begging of the paragraph.. and explained what I just said to you - again - the second time.

You are completely right about my use of the word "honesty" at the end though. Everyone's honesty is subjective to them, so I can't call a person honest or dishonest. What they are saying is probably *honest* from their perspective. It was a wrong choice of wording. Sorry if that particular part seemed offensive to you.

posted October 27, 2007 08:44 PM              

the way i see it, both coral frequency and geocosmic valentine have very excellent points and i learned much from both of you, and i think you guys really balance eachother out. both of you come down, ultimately, on vanny having respect for herself; you just have different ways of expressing it.

posted October 27, 2007 10:03 PM            

WORD.

Geocosmic Valentine

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"Everybody is a star!"

posted October 27, 2007 10:20 PM              

"Can you just accept when you have been wrong?" (not about the actual message but the way it was said)

posted October 27, 2007 10:24 PM              

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Nam, I have a lot of posts on here where I did share experiences. I'm sure they all come up in google lol I changed the post because there were things you said that I just didn't agree with.. and I realized my previous post didn't exactly say that. The main thing is - I don't agree with the fact that any sort of nice delivery.. would work in a situation where the person is so infatuated and wants to hear *only* positive stuff.
I’m not here to fight either.

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posted October 27, 2007 10:32 PM              

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/002902.html

posted October 27, 2007 10:49 PM            

I'm not continuing this conversation, because we are very different people and the disagreement won't end any time soon.. so I'm not interested.

Have a nice day.

posted October 27, 2007 10:53 PM              

It's ok, I do think it is better to let it die too, we are in deed different.

posted October 27, 2007 11:03 PM              

well.. i pretty much just try to take the best out of whatever anyone says and disregard the rest. if i don't like someone's tone or find it offensive, it still doesn't change the basic message and my arguing against the delivery would be missing the point.. in my opinion. i found it harsh, yeah, but i think in some ways that was integral to her point; passionate, direct, realistic. hurtful, sure, maybe.. but i think her intentions were to save vanny from getting herself hurt any further, so in a way it seems sorta justified (in that, it was forceful enough to maybe get her attention and make her think on it a bit harder, even if she felt scorched by the approach).

that doesn't mean i agree with her assessment of the situation, necessarily. i just think ultimately what she intended was to be helpful. and i think not taking things personally is more within our capacity than assessing the intentions of another and deciding to focus on the negative, know what i mean? cuz all we are left with is what we have actually learned, not how we did, you know?

posted October 27, 2007 11:32 PM            

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I just don't like the way you assume you know the answers to issues and the way you relate them.

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Nam, I'm actually sorry I come across this way.. because I do not think I know all the answers. I've never said you were wrong or that I was right. I disagree with you, but I'm not thinking in the right/wrong dichotomy. We can both be right or wrong.. or a bit of both. Depends on who you ask.

posted October 28, 2007 10:44 PM              

i just hate seeing people arguing. and when you've got a mother with a capricorn moon who is more like hitler, it's easier to see the sarah jessica parker in someone like you, if you know what i mean it's all relative.

i just wouldn't want vanny missing the point of what you were saying and whether it was the right way to say it isn't for me to determine.

my sympathies are with vanny and i hope you feel better soon and can move on and get some closure. and if he does feel for you, i hope he comes to his senses. nobody here knows what happened between you two, but i think everyone cares in different ways (cuz they see it in different ways).

posted October 29, 2007 10:25 AM            

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My opinion continues to be that the women in this forum - some of which posted on this thread.. who constantly center purely on relationship problems and see the world through such rose colored glasses.. are living on a cloud.

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