posted May 01, 2006 03:56 PM              

She's only agreeing with jwhop here because it apparently serves her purposes - she/he/it has proclaimed diametrically opposed viewpoints throughout this site.
(And, no, whoever might ask that I do so - I'm not going to go searching for those old posts - I truly don't care enough about her or this topic to go through that kind of time-intensive activity.)

posted May 01, 2006 04:31 PM            

It is not that I am falling for any kind of "sh1t". I DO think there is a small group of people that will attack anyone that doesn't believe in their take on politics, religion or environmental issues.

As far as Lotus being a troll, I just don't "feel" it and I think most people here know that I have a knack for ferreting out trolls. Most newbies don't believe it, but then the person shows their true colors.

I am not aware of what Lotus has said in the past or who she has attacked. I have felt the attack of many people who have ganged up against me or choose to post any time I post just to be a b1tch or a d1ck. Why? I have no idea - it's just life.

But again, there are many forums here that I don't frequent. I would also be a bit disturbed if someone questioned my godless nature or called mea moron.. but then again, I have heard those accusations numerous times against me and I end up calling the person on the carpet. (Hell, I was just accused of being a close-minded scientist who has received training that has kept me from being spiritually enlightened... again, that was from another one of my hate-club members).

I adore Fish-Kitten and I think she has done remarkable work. I also know she can hold her own and had I seen in attacks I would have been in her court. Then again, just because I like someone doesn't mean I am going to defend them if both parties are equally attacking each other's ideals. That is what we do in order to learn.

I have always drawn the line when ones race, religion, sexual orientation.... etc is being attacked. But again, I have to state - I find it to be hypocritical this attack on Lotus, when in another thread I voiced my dismay for the corruption of Christ's pic and I was told that soon Juni and I would be called the Jesus Police.

How funny is that? I am just cracking up here - NOT. I don't find it funny, I find it hurtful that we can attack Christ yet say something about a Muslim and all hell breaks loose. Question the validity of Astrology and by God / Goddess you are an evil monster - and in some cases even admitting to being in science is enough call you an unenlightened brute.

How long did we let Atlantic Myst stay here when she was calling people fu*king b1tches and Ho's..etc... hicks and lesbos.. and the like? People couldn't wait to step out and defend her even when she got kicked off again and again, only to keep changing her name (hey kid...no offense now, looks like times have changed and AM has calmed down).

Why do we defend people like that, give them chance after chance, but when someone happens to ALSO disagree with the poltical norm of this forum, we can't wait to attack everything she has said?

If Lotus HAS changed her posts, then that is unfortunate, I do hate that (but I have even seen some long time posters here do that when they caught a whiff that someone was going to bring up their words to use against them). I have always stood by my word, even when my posts have been used out of context or selected clips have been taken, but that is just me.

I am not defending Lotus because she supports jwhop and some of my posts. I am doing so because if we extend the leniancy to some, why not include her?

posted May 01, 2006 04:43 PM              

I do not edit my posts..did some for spelling..but that is all..and one..
because it was directed at someone..
and I was incorrect..in what I stated. ...

Respect and Love for ALL..

perhaps we could move forward now..

posted May 01, 2006 04:57 PM              

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I am not aware of what Lotus has said in the past or who she has attacked.

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Then I would humbly suggest - and I say this with sincere respect in my heart - you should make yourself aware.
The history is a long and ugly one and the evidence is scattered all over the site.

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But again, I have to state - I find it to be hypocritical this attack on Lotus, when in another thread I voiced my dismay for the corruption of Christ's pic and I was told that soon Juni and I would be called the Jesus Police.

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I was the one that made mention of the Jesus Police. It was an attempt - a failed one - at irony. It was made in reference to another old post where Juni and I expressed offense at a certain Jesus with mentos image and a poem about Paul. It was suggested then that we were the Jesus Police. I'll try to find the thread, if you'd like. I'm not particularly proud of it, it descended quickly into misunderstanding and ugliness, but I certainly wouldn't run from it.

Atlantic Myst has been involved in many of Lotus' threads, particularly in UC. I don't recall anyone defending her exploits here in GU. But refresh my memory if it needs it.

I also want to state for the record - and I've said this in the past - that lotus, for whatever reason, doesn't seriously bother me. (Possibly I haven't been called a infidel as much as most?) At any rate, I just don't have a particular axe to grind with her. I can certainly see why some would be bothered, however. The Goddess of Discord has been an apt description on occasion.

I've been getting "cannot find page" too.

posted May 01, 2006 05:33 PM              

"I like you okay, silverstone, and I respect your religious beliefs though I do not agree with many of them. It's okay to disagree on things as long as you can be respectful of the beliefs of others. But at times you have done the same thing as lotus does so I can see why you get along with her and feel it is okay what she does."

Silverstone~
I like you too Mirandee... and I admire many of your comments... and Yes, I agree... we all may disagree... but can still connect...

It just looks like attack after attack... In the end, it is not worth it! I do apologize about the Easter comment... I truly didn't desire to offend and those were not my intentions.

I think that Lotus does not intend to degrade anyone... I can see where people may take it that way.... but she means well, just like you... I have read many of her posts and I do see her apologizing... when people take it that way... Maybe it is a personal problem that is still there and has not been resolved....

Wishing everyone always the best!

Cheers,

posted May 01, 2006 05:35 PM            

I dunno, I just think of how I would feel if someone created a thread whose purpose was to talk about me in 3rd person as if I'm not here...seems mean-spirited to me.

posted May 01, 2006 05:44 PM            

It wasn't too long when I've had that little dog fight with Pid, JW, Isis and the like and that when I do look at those times, I just don't want to even look at that now. But do you know that it has been 2 whole years since that happened? The thing is that we learn from things like that and the fact that it still hurts when someone bocomes attacked over that person's views. It's not the attack on even the view itself, but it is the attack on the person that has made that view. Needless, one might say that the person that made the point only has brought it onto themselves, but doesn't anyone think that as soon as you post anything here that the person has already brought it onto themselves? What this place really needs is some more cared understanding and compassion for what that person might be and just look onto the point that the person is trying to make is just an open discussion of mending a more reasonable way to be suited for all to adhere. Thus I know that would be too good to be true, but one never ever knows unless they try at least and maybe what we always wanted to seek to find, will just all of a sudden be found just right under our noses! But again, this is all a matter of trying. And if we can do that, I sure that sooner or later, we will be able to find the very thing each and every one of us has always been looking for in this world, today and always...

posted May 01, 2006 06:01 PM              

"I mean, this is Global Unity, not "Personal Deconstruction of Alleged Trolls"...."

I agree; we are all adults... Peace to all... and going forward... What are some intersting topics we should discuss?

Cheers,

posted May 01, 2006 06:43 PM            

Again, I am sorry that I did not see it and I can only make judgments on what is before me. What I have seen of Lotus has never amounted to malicious - yet that doesn't mean it hasn't existed on other threads. We can all change.

AM was defended a few times here and in the Astrology forum. I have had several newbies call me a big meanie for pointing out trolls. Heck, one person even accused me of recently picking a new username to stalk her when that is the least likely thing I would do LOL... I enjoy doing my interrogations under Pidaua.

Please don't think I was trying to put you down about the Jesus Police. I pointed that out in order to reference the whole, which I did poorly. To me it is offensive- yet when I made a comment Ms. Rainbow couldn't wait to shirk off her deed and instead said "I don't create them I just post them". Hmmm... if I had just posted something promoting the brutal killing of young children or in support of Nazi's do you think I would get tons of crap? You bet ya and I WOULD be responsible for posting those pics even if I had not created them. Intent is everything.

I would hate if someone picked every battle I had with someone here and used it against me. In the years I have had several - Rainbow, paras, IQ, Ozone, daferman (and his band of people that hated all of us that didn't agree that LL had become evil incarnate), Mirandee, Atlantic Myst (and all her names) etc.... Some had been due to misunderstandings others just out and out debates and with a few there was just a genuine dislike of each other. I don't see myself EVER been friends with a few people here and that is ok.

We must admit though, there are several cliques here and some come and do. There are groups that are attracted to each other based on "like" politics, religion, geographic area and other reasons. Some like to just find one person and gang up on them. What has always caused me discomfort is when I see newbies jump in and pick sides based on how many people are ganging up on a person or persons. That was painfully evident in the "evil lurks among us" thread where some thought if they jumped on the ones that said LL was not evil, they would somehow look spiritually enlightened to the others. That turned out to be tragic, especially when it was determined the group that started it did so for self-motivating reasons.

That is the other thing I really want to point out... The whole ENLIGHTENED argument. I know some feel that they are one with the Universe and they may very well be - but it is not right to judge the spirituality of another when one only knows them from a website. Now, one can judge another's actions - but it is harder to know that person on the inside.

I also find it increasingly sickening that people are starting to use the "spirituality" thing as a tool to shut another person up. For example "Oh, you just don't understand because you are not enlightened enough nor have you been counseled by the powers that be...etc"

Ick!!!

LOL...

Prox, I agree with you about Fish Kitten - she is very mild mannered and not prone to attacking people in the least.

Ozone,

You are right about the past being brought up continuously. I know we have had our battles and sometimes we still do. In the end, we may not agree but we know it doesn't mean we are terrible people LOL.... When someone brings up the past and past posts (and TRUST me - we have a few here that I am sure have a file on their computer called "all the mean things Pidaua said") it causes others to judge them on those posts even if they have changed. I know that when I first met AJ online, I wasn't very nice to her because I found her to be too eager. In the end, she has turned out to be incredible with her gift of astrology.

posted May 01, 2006 07:18 PM              

That is not the way my post was worded. What I DID tell SILVERSTONE is that in her Easter Greeting, the way she worded it was insensitive to the beliefs of others who happen to believe in the resurrection of Jesus. What I stated is that she MAY AS WELL HAVE SAID "happy Easter to all you Christian morons who believe in the resurrection, you are wrong." What she did was to use the Christian holy day greeting to get across her religious view that Jesus was not crucified "it was someone else." What SILVERSTONE acutally said was, "Happy Easter, though wrong." I asked her what was the point in even wishing people a happy Easter and phrase it that way.

Pidaua, if you put a post in about Rainbow I would give you and Rainbow both my honest opinion because I like you both and respect you both a great deal. With the two of you it just seems that there is something about Rainbow that rubs you the wrong way and vice versa. You are both wonderful, good and intelligent women though different in your approach to getting your opinion across. Rainbow uses humor a lot in the form of graphics.

Hope that clarifies things about the "Christian moron" statement. No one actually said it. It was really just an example of what I felt her words translated into. At least for me and from what she said, Tink felt the same way about it.

Also I have to say from what I have observed here it is NEVER Rainbow who insults or attacks others first. She only comes back and says things when she has been attacked. It is the human thing to do. Neither Rainbow or myself or most of the people here at LL ever claimed to be canonized saints. Most people here at LL are very tolerant of the different beliefs of others and very respectful. I am not defending Rainbow, Pidaua because she does a good job of defending herself. Maybe if the two of you exchanged chart info you might find out what it is that rubs you both the wrong way about each other and it might help to learn where the other is coming from because being in the middle here I think you both are great.

posted May 01, 2006 07:24 PM            

It seems that there is a miscommunication. I wasn't talking about this thread at all. I was talking about another one where the face of Christ had been removed and Bush's face put in.

As far as the Moron statement - I just meant I wasn't sure how it was said or in what context since I wasn't there. I do understand that you and others have had problems with Lotus. I know that we can all be offensive to each other at times and yes, some of us rub others the wrong way and get rubbed the wrong way as well.

posted May 01, 2006 07:25 PM              

Cheers,

posted May 01, 2006 07:37 PM              

Cheers,

posted May 01, 2006 08:28 PM              

All I can say is OH MY!

I went to the Universal Code thread you mentioned and while I didn't get to read ALL 45 pages.....I did cover a lot of terrirotry.

I read enough to be totally spooked/disturbed by what I saw! I HAD NO IDEA!

I'm still sitting here in disbelief!

Something is very WRONG here.....

This is definetely someone who is UNHINGED! ...and I'm not saying this to be mean, but it's seem the obvious unrelated, disjointed, utterances...are not coming from a rational mind. (I'm no expert, but I don't think it's going to take one to figure that out)

Either that or......a very clever jokester!

In actuality, methinks the person is not even who they Claim to be...but rather someone altogether different.... just having "fun" at a lot of other people's expense...

Think of the 'power' it must give one to sit back and realize how they can get such 'reactions' from people...Man! talk about pushing buttons...

Either way, I'm saying my last words to her on this post...no matter how much she might try to "irritate" me...I've fallen for that too many times......

Lotus, or whatever your name is.....

If people are catching on to you, which it looks like they are.....(Well...NOT everyone)....you may have to find some new outlet for your "fun,"

Find something new where you can get your kicks!

Either that....or get some help....

And oh...before you go...know that I love you, whoever you are...cuz you are one of God's chilrden...(I think)....

Thanks, Mirandee

Sorry you had to take some flak for this....

Love,
Rainbow

posted May 01, 2006 08:44 PM            

I've been having the same problems with this site lately.

Ozone,

posted May 01, 2006 09:07 PM              

Mirandee said....

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I have to say from what I have observed here it is NEVER Rainbow who insults or attacks others first. She only comes back and says things when she has been attacked.

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Mirandee, that is the absolute truth, and I appreciate your ability to see that...

Thanks.... ...and yes Mirandee, I DO like my graphics and here's one for you..dear lady....

posted May 01, 2006 09:37 PM              

there are people who know me here..in person even. ...

you are a very mean person..

plain and simple. ...

posted May 01, 2006 10:21 PM              

Okay Mirandee, here is another example of my coming to my own defense when finding an 'attack' on me...

I should be big enough to ignore it...but guess I've got some growing to do yet...as you said...I'm only human....

Pid made the following comment about me...on this thread....regarding my posting of a picture of Jesus with George Bush's face....

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......when I made a comment Rainbow couldn't wait to shirk off her deed and instead said "I don't create them I just post them". Hmmm... if I had just posted something promoting the brutal killing of young children or in support of Nazi's do you think I would get tons of crap? You bet ya and I WOULD be responsible for posting those pics even if I had not created them. Intent is everything.

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Let's go back and read this again....

Promoting?

Supporting?

(twisting words, again Pid?)

The photo of Jesus with George Bush's face was meant (for those with the ability to understand)to show that Bush thinks he's God...easily understood by most...

Never have I 'promoted' brutal killing of young children, or 'supported' Nazi's....and I resent the implication.

As Tink so wisely said....

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I follow a Christian path. I didn't find it particularly offensive. It was an attack on Bush and his ideologies, not the Christ.

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NOT ON THE CHRIST!
Get it?

As you said, Pid...."Intent is everything!"

So true....and Tink was smart enough to see the 'intent' in that posted graphic.

I'll bet Jesus even got a chuckle...he's MY buddy too, ya know...

posted May 01, 2006 10:43 PM              

Cheers,

posted May 01, 2006 10:44 PM            

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I don't need an excuse. I'm just being humble for your sake. Go ahead and believe yourself superior with your Virgo placements. Someday you'll learn what I know, and if you don't then maybe you weren't meant to.

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