posted May 04, 2006 01:08 AM              

I went back and read my post to see if I phrased something the wrong way because I was confused as to what might have brought you to the conclusion that I was laughing at you. The only thing that I laughed about in that post was the picture. And no, I was not offended by it but that is me. No where in that post did I even mention you or say anything that implied you shouldn't have been offended just because I wasn't.

The rest of that short post of mine was just me talking to a friend and telling her which pictures of Jesus I liked and which ones of him I didn't like. I also stated that all the pictures depicting what he looked like in human form are different anyway. And I stated that no one knows what Jesus really looked like. Though there is a drawing by a saint where she was instructed by him to paint an image of him and under the painting to write, "Jesus, I Trust In Thee." But that is beside the point. I ended that post by saying that is what I think anyway regarding what I had just said about Jesus.

I have my thoughts about the argument you and Rainbow had and there are things I agree with Rainbow about and things I agree with you about in that argument. But because I like you both I prefer to stay neutral when you guys argue and not take sides. I joked with the two of you about the argument but said nothing about what was said between the two of you.

Rainbow has been a friend of mine for over 2 years. We both live in Michigan. It was she who told me about LL. I checked it out, liked what I saw and joined. But Rainbow is her own person and so am I. We don't tell each other what to do or not to do or who our other friends should be. She is not your favorite person, Pid and you are not her favorite person. Yet I like both of you very much even though you and I are on different sides of the political spectrum. Rainbow has never said to me, "how could you like Pidaua?" She has never questioned it. What I posted to her on the thread last night and her response today was not a matter of us getting together on a thread to laugh at you for being offended by the picture, Pidaua. Just friends sharing a conversation online.

I know that you are a good woman with a good heart, Pid and I know the same about Rainbow. I know that your offense at the picture was based on your own values and principals and beliefs and I respect that. No way would I ever laugh at your values and principals or your beliefs just because it didn't happen to offend me.

posted May 04, 2006 01:25 AM            

Excellent post Jwhop!! I don't agree with all of it, or even most of it, but the drama and the anticipation were well worth it. If that were an excerpt from a book about you, I'd probably read it.

posted May 04, 2006 01:54 AM              

As for me, too much information on Jwhop on this thread! I personally never wanted to know what is in Jwhop's scary mind and after all he said about what goes on in that mind it is even scarier than I ever could have imagined.

posted May 04, 2006 02:55 AM            

My Mars opposite Jwhop's Uranus

Jwhop's Mars opposite my Uranus

My Moon Trine Jwhop's Saturn

posted May 04, 2006 04:03 AM              

Tink and Ozone, pls give your natal infos in the Astrology forum, I am free next week to have a look, including important Sabian Symbols.

I rarely feel a need to ask for anyone's chart. Normally, I would just ignore someone like JWH but inexplicably, I got the urge to find out. Those who are reading my studies in astrology know that I am looking at specific asteroids and recently Sabian Symbols. I have been reading Dane Rudhyar. I had similar expereinces in some ways to Dane, including Kundalini awareness and past life recalls. It is thus impossible for me to hate anyone. Everyone has a purpose, one of my purposes is to share as much knowledge as I can and to do so freely.

JWH has an Anubis return, 8th house of death/transformation this week. The reason why this whole incident occured could be made apparent this week or next month tops. If nothing, then I have no qualms in saying that I was wrong about Anubius return.

In any case JW, if you feel I was wrong in asking for your natal info, then I apologize.
Heck you are like my grandfather in age and you have every right to scold me if I do something wrong.

Cheers to all!

Still at all the kind words...

posted May 04, 2006 12:15 PM            

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I want to stand up and applaud!!!
Excellent post Jwhop!! I don't agree with all of it, or even most of it, but the drama and the anticipation were well worth it. If that were an excerpt from a book about you, I'd probably read it....acoustic

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Well acoustic, I'd be fascinated to find out what part of what I said...which is a self assessment of what I think and how I am...and how that relates to my chart...that you, a person who doesn't know me...disagree with?

posted May 04, 2006 12:15 PM            

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I want to stand up and applaud!!!
Excellent post Jwhop!! I don't agree with all of it, or even most of it, but the drama and the anticipation were well worth it. If that were an excerpt from a book about you, I'd probably read it....acoustic

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Well acoustic, I'd be fascinated to find out what part of what I said...which is a self assessment of what I think and how I am...and how that relates to my chart...that you, a person who doesn't know me...disagree with? Heavy emphasis on "even most".

posted May 04, 2006 01:59 PM            

Things I can disagree with:

"You don't see my Scorp rising on this forum"

I don't agree with this assessment. My opinion is based on my feeling that while people may accentuate parts of their charts at different times and in different areas the whole chart remains present and may be called upon at any time. There is no conscious decision when something like this should occur. (I'm not saying that you can't attribute things to your Leo moon, either.)

"You see the Leo Moon, which detests lies, liars and subterfuge, with equal amounts of contempt."

I've never heard that interpretation of a Leo Moon. Furthermore, you've posted stuff that can, at very least, be considered lies yourself, so that's a touch ironic.

"You also see Mars in Aries who knows what to do about it"

Mars isn't a planet of knowledge, so how it 'knows' what to do about it is a bit beyond me.

That's it for those.

For the record, I didn't say anything about your Mars in the 6th house having anything to do with anything at LL. I was merely pointing out the similar placement within the 6th house as mine is.

It's definitely interesting, and I've never known your chart previously, so this is kind of cool.

posted May 04, 2006 02:42 PM            

Mars is the planet of action...which determines HOW I might react to certain stimuli. In Aries that action will be direct and immediate.

posted May 04, 2006 03:03 PM            

I hate you...

posted May 04, 2006 03:35 PM            

80% of people don't believe all or even most of what the NYT prints.

Kerry is a traitor, a traitor whose every word and deed is exercised against the United States and he's still committing Treason.

Real patriots don't badmouth the military or the country or the administration during a time of war. That gives aid and comfort to the enemy as you and your band of fringe radical leftists have already done....some in the Congress of the United States.

Leftist demonstrations and rants are seditious at best and mostly cross over into outright treason.

It is not America you love when you say you love your country and it never was.

the President doesn't have to tell the Congress if their hair is on fire let alone be ordered by Congress to report details of any Executive branch activity.

posted May 04, 2006 03:58 PM            

Try again, in fact acoustic, it's said the third time is the charm. Strike one.

Challenging me with lies, bombast and blather isn't a winning plan of attack.

posted May 04, 2006 04:52 PM            

Denial isn't a winning strategy either. You don't get to tell me it's the moon I'm looking at when I'm standing in my yard at high noon.

Every argument you've raised has been without merit.

I notice you didn't provide a bit of proof when you made you declaration acoustic. How about that?

posted May 04, 2006 05:34 PM            

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Every single one has been proven beyond argument acoustic.

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That's just plain delusion.

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Every argument you've raised has been without merit.

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Well, I'll go ahead and add this to you list of lies if you like. (Get my own Virgo moon to work, huh? ) Got any more?

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I notice you didn't provide a bit of proof when you made you declaration acoustic. How about that?

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Which declaration are you referring to?

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On the other hand, I provide ample factual proof to document what I say.

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Occasionally you do this, but not often. In fact, I've had to explicitly ask you prove what you're trying to assert on many occasions, and you often fall short. Thank goodness for your pride and your unfailing confidence. Any normal person would have checked himself by now.
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posted May 05, 2006 01:59 AM              

Yup, JW is quite fascinating. Everytime he calls AG as "Accoustic", I feel as if he thinks he is a Jedi Master and AG is an ex-jedi gone to the dark side. And AG's replies are is if JW is Count Duku and AG is ObiWan ! Luckily, their grammar is not like Yoda's and hence we all get to read very entertaining debates.

posted May 05, 2006 11:55 AM              

Although I do agree with what Pid and JuniperB said on this thread about discussing someones chart on a thread without their permission... you have my permission. I will give you all my birth info and anyone who wants to can have a go at it.

I have not studied astrology in depth or necessarily believe it but I keep an open mind about it since I do believe in God and since God created everything and we are all one with creation there might be something to it. Mainly because we are made of the same composition as everything in the world and the universe. I believe that all that God created has a purpose so the planets and their positions at the time of my birth, the date and place may have some effect on my personality. But there is so very much more that makes me the person I am and I think my life experiences play into it a great deal. Of course, my chart might play into how I have always related to my life experiences. It may explain why siblings growing up with the same parents, in the same environment react differently to and are affectd differently by many of the same experiences. I know that we are all born with a certain temperment that we cannot change, we can only try to improve on it or work around it so, I keep an open mind.

Here is my data:

April 27, 1946

10:00 AM

Clarksville, Arkansas

My parents moved to Michigan when I was only 3 years old so this is home.

You are 5 years older than I am, Jwhop

About the age...and I say this because someone on this thread referred to my "mature years" which gave me a laugh...if you picture me as a little grey haired old lady, you couldn't be further off the mark. I have never looked my age. I look more in my 40's than just having turned 60. Least people are always telling me that and are amazed when I tell them my age. My parents were both the same way. Never looked as old they were so it's in the genes. If I could figure out how to do it I would post my picture here. May as well know what I look like too.

posted May 05, 2006 01:10 PM            

Sorry it took so long for me to respond. I spent 7 hours driving to and from a meeting that was canceled yesterday LOL... Looks like the Pony Express did not make the message drop off in time in my rural county. It was a nice drive though- but wasting the gas wasn't my idea of a good time.

When people post chart information on a loved one in SU or otherwise WE always tell them to take off the name. Most people are intelligent enough to 1) change the name 2) give them a cute pet name ala Mr. Leo or 3) ask their lover for permission.

I know how you feel, but I still think the common tenent in Astrology will be to protect the chart and privacy. It is like with any dicipline and since we look at astrology as being as valid as science, we should have the same responsibilities regarding it.

IQ.. nice how you try to turn the table and act Saccharin sweet in your response to jwhop. Too bad your real nature already showed by the wonderful use of the words "Angry b1tch" towards me. The saddest thing though, is how many people avoided comment or even thinking how derogatory the comment was - yet I can bet had jwhop called someone a b1tch, many people here would cry foul.

Hell, Mystic Gemini (when she was Tranquil poet, AM..and others) was kicked off for such use of inflammatory words.

Ozone,

I understand you are not clear in seeing our point concerning aspects and charts. It really is a window to the soul. When I see a persons chart, I not only see a part of them, but I am also privy to potential problems from the past, present and future. It is a big responsiblity to hold in ones hands and is not simply just a bunch of planets / houses and degrees. For me, I also get an overwhelming feeling or sense of the person. SO much so, that I can begin to see the chart in my dreams and dissect it through that method.

The person becomes imprinted in my mind. To me, it is also similar to the link I sometimes develop when I read Tarot cards for a person. I am already in tuned to their "being" but once I touch the cards, I feel their essence and I can feel traces of them for months and even years to come. As always there are ways to prevent it through meditation and shield spells - but some still get through.

Have I posted my birth data on LL before? Yep - ( I usually take it down after a while though because I don't want it to get into the wrong hands).

See the major problem is when someone then launches an attack similar to trying to get into ones head. By saying "You have this aspect, you will end up killing other or manipulating people to their spiritual demise".

Some people might take it to heart, start believing something is wrong with them. Others may start to think "Hell, maybe Pidaua is a psycho because Mr. X is supposedly SO INCREDIBLY intune with astrology and all that is esoteric that HE / SHE would know".

Then people start to fall in line - thinking something is wrong with the person.

Newbies are the easiest to corrupt and we had that going on here quite a while ago. Someone came to the boards, pretending to be some spiritual type of Guru and started a campaign to recruit. In the end WE all discovered what the person was up to - getting people to his little cult site- some went, some did not. But there were crushed people that thought the so called Guru interpreted their charts in a caring way.

When push came to shove, the aspects have been used against people.

"You will never amount to anything because YOU have Neptune square Mars therefore you are a liar!"

Or my favorite - when someone learned that I had Neptune in the 3rd house they said "You will always have a hard time in school / academics. Intelligence is muddled at best".

LMAO.... well, that didn't turn out to be the case and many things come easy to me (Uranus in the 1st?) But had I listened or been a newbie to astrology, that could have been damaging. For me, Neptune in the 3rd has been a blessing in my dream life and in my meditations.

So..... that is why we fight to protect someone's privacy. And to keep people from irresponsibly posting someone's chart.

AG and Ozone,

I truly don't believe you did it out of malicious intent (IQ, I firmly believe that you did - I also believe it is only a matter of time before others catch on to the real you, and that is all I will say about that. You may call it being brainwashed by the Illuminati Controllers, I call it being able to detect BS when I see it and read it) I should add much to your disappointment. I never once was angry with you, never once wanted to take a keyboard and hit you. I don't lose control that way IQ - that is not my style. I can tell though - YOU have a problem with your temper. I would also venture to say, based on your response and eagerness to not just use a curse word, but one that has been used by certain types of males for years, you have a problem with women.

So what it is IQ? Issues with strong women that won't ever let a man lead them around like some piece of property (wasn't it you that talked about being an American hating Muslim? What made you change? Did you change your ideas about women as well?" Did it make you feel stronger to call me a b1tch, make you feel like a real man? Would you rather take the philosophy that because I don't take your rants as being enlightened that it indicates I am an automaton... a tool for the IC demons that wish to take over the world?

Nah....... a leopard doesn't change it's spots now does it.

posted May 05, 2006 01:23 PM            

I understand completely and I do value what you have to say and find you also to be a very intelligent person with a good heart.

I have never questioned why someone would like Rainbow either. That is their choice to make. She and I have problems, but again, no one in the world is without that. My only issue comes when I see people joining a debate or fight, not because they believe is what is being said, but because they too share a common ill will towards the person saying it.

It is that whole "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

I usually chuckle to myself when I see that play out here. It is different from people supporting a common philosophy. For example, I can usually count on several people always posting against the Bush administration on environmental issues. I would never be surprised if I posted something against their values and ended up seeing them post. In the same respect, they can count on jwhop, Isis and myself to usually post in defense of certain conservative issues.

But... the part that gets me is if I am in a separate debate with someone and another poster that hates my views makes it a point to take the person that I am debating with side. They usually pop up "Hey, you go guy / girl, pidaua is just mean, you should see what a lashing she gave me the other day".

Meanwhile they had NOTHING to add to the conversation. The other thing that gets me in the short term, is when people really try to get on the good side of someone they perceive to be as powerful or "spiritually advanced". They will placate that person every chance they get, meanwhile waiting for scraps of enlightment and kudus to drop from the person's table like hungry dogs.

They will follow that person from site to site "oh you are so wonderful, you have given me so much wisdom, you truly know me". Then.... we watch as it turns on them. Disagree in the slightest and the master no longer gives you as many scraps.

I suppose it sounds far-fetched to some and some will fight it (and this has nothing to do with Rainbow or I - this is separate from our little tension because I don't ever see Rainbow following a cult figure. She just has very set likes and dislikes...oh well, that is neither here nor there).

I look at it like this - if some people see conspiracy when it comes to 9-11, the global leaders, or even the powers that be in our own Federal, State and County governments, then it is not that far off for me to be incredibly suspicious of any self-righteous guru type and the eager followers...