posted May 03, 2006 05:40 AM              

Basically, the entire foundation of this website is that members are familiar with one or more of Linda Goodman's works, and can hence apply/discuss/improve upon those philosophies.

Republicanism/Neo Conservatism versus Left wing Liberalism ? Not exactly a theme of any of her books.

Just a thought...

posted May 03, 2006 08:57 AM            

You know that I got to make this more interesting, this is too fun to watch!

JW's birthdate:

Aug 21, 1941 11:05am Knoxville,TN

posted May 03, 2006 09:03 AM              

Guess what?

I have a picture of the laughing Jesus in my billfold (it's been there for years)....

I'd scan it for you except my scanner's not working....

I love that picture cuz it looks like someone just told Him a funny joke....and it does my heart good, to know that He has a sense of humor....

posted May 03, 2006 09:31 AM              

8th month, 8 in the total date [44], 11 time of birth (approx) and 11 is the birth city number, day number + month = 11. 44 divisible by 11. 65th year, 6+5 = 11.

It is going to be a very important chart cause nobody has ever seen his asteroids or Sabian Symbols. I am trying to see what is the lesson knowflakes have to learn from him cause the Laws of Thoth say "Like attracts Like". What is inside of all of us who disagree with him that attracted him to this forum? Thats what I must find.

Edit: I see tons of Virgo but no Scorpio except in Asc and some asteroids!

The most vital Sabian symbol clue is in CHIRON at 7.4 Leo: "A Communist Activist Spreading His Revolutionary Ideals".

posted May 03, 2006 10:28 AM            

The thing with his Scorpio side is the penetrating words and motions that he uses in order to not only bring full attention to his opponents, but also to make that person feel the dizzy feeling that he gives off at the one of his direction, making you almost see him talking to you and feel the emotion in his words, making his foe feel like they have they're "back to the wall" within the arguement.

posted May 03, 2006 11:53 AM              

Yup, good points on his Virgo-ness. Remarkable energy to read and assimilate data. A very high intelligence quotient for sure and definitely a success. Sun and Moon in Leo, Asc Scorpio. These guys rarely lose and would never admit defeat.

Also he must have been very generous all his life, with the odd attention attracting stunts and achievements. The Sabian symbols speak of a Lion Tamer showing skill, a crowded bus, a pageant to cheering crowds etc.

However, spiritually he has chosen to be one big zero this incarnation. True Node Virgo! He was mystical in the immediate past life, and screwed up big time because CHAOS is retrogade and conjunct South Node. Pallas opposed by Saturn shuts the third eye in this case.

Note that he has no planets from Libra to Pisces.

A man who is a priceless asset to the ruling class, he would have been just as passionate and talented a democrat, nazi, communist, liberal, ahimsa activist, Mossad agent or Jihadi had he chosen to, than the present choice of neo conservative Republican.

The Neptune Sabian Symbol speaks subtly of the tendency to obey the ruling aristocracy.
South Node Sabian says "A medium giving a seance" and CHAOS is "Master instructing Disciple".

All in all, a very interesting chart with clear numerological connecion to 8 [Karma/Saturn] and 11 [Lessons of Treachery].

posted May 03, 2006 11:57 AM            

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Laws of Thoth say "Like attracts Like".

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Mars Opposite Ascendant
Him and I both have Mars in roughly the same spot in our charts (in the 6th house). His is in Aries, and mine is in Scorpio.

Jupiter in the 8th
Him and I both have Jupiter in the 8th. His is in Gemini, and mine is in Capricorn.

Sun in Capricorn/10th
His Sun is in the 10th, which is Capricorn's house. My Sun is in Capricorn.

Saturn
He has multiple Saturn squares. I have multiple Saturn oppositions.

Ranked planets:
Jwhop:
1 Sun
2 Saturn
3 Mercury
4 Uranus
5 Venus

AG:
1 Pluto
2 Sun
3 Mercury
4 Saturn
5 Venus

Ranked Signs:
Jwhop:
1 Leo
2 Capricorn
3 Virgo
4 Aquarius
5 Gemini

AG:
1 Libra
2 Sagittarius
3 Scorpio
4 Capricorn
5 Virgo

By Element
Jwhop:
Fire: 24.2%
Earth: 34.7%
Air: 29.1%
Water: 12.0%

AG:
Fire: 27.4%
Earth: 22.9%
Air: 30.4%
Water: 19.3%

By Mode
Jwhop:
Cardinal: 28.3%
Fixed: 44.2%
Mutable: 27.5%

posted May 03, 2006 12:10 PM              

If you note, JWH is 32 years older! He represents a Saturnian order which gets disrupted by Uranus, dissolved by Neptune, atomized by Pluto, then reordered into a new and improved order again by Saturn!

When you are 60+ AG, your generation (Pluto Librans) will will be designing fair laws for a different America of lasting prosperity. The next Pluto group will discover scientific immortality, after which there is no practical chance of inter human warfare.

What I feel we have to learn from JWH is the danger of not paying attention to how much of ourselves we give away in supporting others or other causes rather than working on our inner selves like by burning off karma by meditation or creating health/wealth for ourselves to set examples and so on.
For this lesson, I thank him.

posted May 03, 2006 12:19 PM            

But I do notice that most of the plannets that he has sit on the south-hemisphere of his chart which basically means on this one site:

"Planets focused in the southeastern quarter of the chart shows a highly self-contained individual very much in control of your destiny. This is a very outward focused grouping showing one who is totally willing to consider others in life situations. There is a tendency to seek self-fulfillment through sharing with others and success is measured not so much by your standards, but by what opinion others hold of you."

posted May 03, 2006 12:23 PM            

You are absolutely entitled to your views and whatever relationship you feel you have with Jesus.

In the same respect, I am also entitled to my views. Not much offends me - but I can see that voicing that which I do find offensive is laughed off. Hmmm... I can honestly say that I haven't stooped that low to laugh at someone else's discomfort when they feel their religion has been reduced to political fodder.

Ozone, IQ and AG,

Ozone, as someone who has been here for so long you should know better. For IQ and AG, being that at least one of you touts how wonderful in touch with the universe you are I am amazed at your actions. It is in EXTREMELY bad form, especially for THIS website, so dissect someone's chart without their permission. That is one of the unspoken rules here. It is one thing if jwhop ASKED you to please look at his chart or even if he said "here are my stats, have at it".

But to post his birth data, then rip his chart apart adding little phrases like "now you see why he does this or that" is quite immature.

Honestly, I don't know if he cares or not, but if people did that to me, I would ask for them to be kicked off the site (it's an invasion of privacy - even if our data is here we do expect for people to leave it alone unless permission has been granted)

Low blow guys.

And IQ, I honestly don't know how you feel justified in stating this:

"However, spiritually he has chosen to be one big zero this incarnation. True Node Virgo! He was mystical in the immediate past life, and screwed up big time because CHAOS is retrogade and conjunct South Node. Pallas opposed by Saturn shuts the third eye in this case."

posted May 03, 2006 12:33 PM            

quote:

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Ozone, as someone who has been here for so long you should know better.

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Well, necessarily Pid, I don't think that any of us would think of doing any harm to JW by looking deeply into his chart, but by much concideration, he does have that profound impact of the many people that come to this site without a doubt, but you are right however though Pid, we should have asked of him first before we went about doing such and for that my apologies to Jwhop!

To make it fair on this matter, here is my birthdate info:

Nov 11, 1967 11:36am Fort Benning, GA

So anyone can analize me all they want, I don't care, everybody knows that I'm a freaky guy anyway!

posted May 03, 2006 12:48 PM              

then the coup d'etat..pull out a astro chart on someone..as if that is our ruler..Come On..it's a tool only as good as its master..
your duty is to overcome your chart..not let it rule you. ...

And now..I have turned the other cheek to all your awful comments and have forgiven you..I am not going away..I have to much to say..
and it's my God given right!

Love and Respect for ALL. ...

not what I have seen on this thread..everything you accused me of..you have done yourSelves..the only difference is

I do go within and Learn and Grow

posted May 03, 2006 01:01 PM              

I have made 100 times more fun of my own chart. Invasion of privacy in an astrology site! Your "laughing" stock is going to make the Dow Jones double.

I wrote 2 paragraphs of praise about JWH and your trained mind cannot ever see it. You have already made up your mind to react angrily.

JWH has an Anubis return conjucnting Siva next week, in the 8th House. It is for a higher good that for some karmic reason we all got inspired to see his chart. Our awareness of this can help prevent a mishap in his life. This is a serious matter and way above your nutcase behaviour of "US vs Them". JWH is just as dear to me as a human being as anyone else here, even you inspite of your ridiculously rude and uncivil behaviour these days.

And therefore, I again say JWH has astrologically chosen to be spiritually less and materialistically/intellectually a success this life. Not bankrupt, that harsh word was from a harsh human being. Let him reflect on this and prove me wrong, let him embarass me on this point. He has the requisite intelligence. I want to see his full level. I want him to rip apart my analysis and put my astrological point to shame. It will do good for both of us. I really learnt from his chart, my analysis was quite sincere, and I have not even completed it.

You keep off now, if you can get over your obsessive compulsive disorder that comes sometimes with Pluto conj Asc. [I have PLuto conj Desc BTW. The twain rarely meet.]

And to make you happy feeling a victim, let me also be uncouth and rude for once and manipulate your emotions like the Illuminati Controllers whose existence you have been trained like an automaton to disbelieve.

Pid, you are an angry b*tch. Prove me wrong if you have the brains. ROFL!!!! Getting angry? Want to bash the keyboard on my head? The Monitor ? Enjoy and dont forget to thank me a few months later...

posted May 03, 2006 01:02 PM            

Needless Lotus, I've never said a bad thing about you yet, so please don't include me into your rant and if you can't take my apology, then I don't know what to tell you! It's not you that I'm apologizing to anyway, it's JW!

posted May 03, 2006 01:07 PM              

I'm just saying..at that time..it was fine..but now..time has passed by..and this is much different situation..

it has been personal attack after personal attack

Love and Respect for ALL. ...

posted May 03, 2006 01:10 PM            

I don't personally understand the whole privacy/secrecy thing about charts, but I accept that I'm unusual on that.

posted May 03, 2006 01:18 PM            

The thing is and as I said before, one is going to have all presented to them for whatever it is that person writes and not to expect feedback,(whether it be negative or positive) is absurd.

posted May 03, 2006 01:25 PM              

All I want to point out, at the moment is:

posted May 03, 2006 01:32 PM            

Wow.... this sums up your total personality and the person that you are:

"You keep off now, if you can get over your obsessive compulsive disorder that comes sometimes with Pluto conj Asc. [I have PLuto conj Desc BTW. The twain rarely meet.]

And to make you happy feeling a victim, let me also be uncouth and rude for once and manipulate your emotions like the Illuminati Controllers whose existence you have been trained like an automaton to disbelieve.

Pid, you are an angry b*tch. Prove me wrong if you have the brains. ROFL!!!! Getting angry? Want to bash the keyboard on my head? The Monitor ? Enjoy and dont forget to thank me a few months later..."

For the record IQ, I don't have nor ever had an obsessive / compulsive personality disorder. Again, you are using astrology to bash someone you hate to the ground.

I did not post in anger concerning the infringement of privacy here when you post someone's chart without permission. I don't care if you have posted your information a MILLION times - the point is YOU are discussing your own chart. You have granted permission or consent - jwhop did not.

I didn't stoop to calling you a "b*astard" or any other type of word. I have questioned your intentions and your need to tout just how spiritual you are.

Resorting to calling me an Angry b1tch for calling you on what you did and speaking truth proves my initial impression of you. What a sick soul you are IQ. Here's another for ya sicko, I would have jumped in on behalf of anyone here - that is the way that I am, even if I can't stand the person.

AG,

Sorry guy, but it is one of those unspoken rules, just as we don't use someone's sun sign against them (for example "Hey AG, you are an idiot because you are a Capricorn and that is why you lack such and such)" We have had numerous topics on it- The rule of thumb is when you post about someone that is not here, say a friend, we ask that you don't use their name (just like when newbies post their charts we always advise them to take off their real names).

When someone asks you about looking into their chart it's perfectly okay. When someone posts another Knowflakes data without their consent, it crosses the line. Just because jwhop has given someone permission to look at a chart before doesn't mean he did in this case. I am sure he would cringe at some of derogatory statements made by IQ.

I know you refrained from stating the "terrible or ugly" aspects of his chart. IQ did not and that was in very poor taste.

The problem also stems from when we know someone has a problem with another poster and THEN uses the chart to qualify why that person is "evil" or spiritually bankrupt.

Ozone,

I know you didn't do it to try and bash on jwhop, but do you see how someone like IQ takes something that is supposed to be innocent or probing and then turns it into a way to bash on jwhop? I know that you freely give your information, but again YOU have granted permission.

For all others that wish to opine....

We are members of an Astrology website named for one of the greatest astrologers Linda Goodman.

Being members of a site such as this compels us to act in a certain way regarding astrology- specifically, the more we know the more responsible we have to be.

A former member once told me of the burden it is to hold anothers chart information in your hands. The CHART is a window into a person. It tells of our blue print in life - and yet we all have free will.

The CHART will indicate our stressors, our blessings, our curses and should NOT be taken lightly.

We have always respected a person's privacy and act responsibly when we have such information concerning their birth data. I have had the opportunity to have other's birth data from here and elsewhere. In the event that the person and I no longer have contact, I have always gotten rid of their Chart - personally it feels like holding on to their soul in a way - which compels me to release it unless they have no problem with me keeping the information.

We have a big responsibility concerning how we act and what information we disseminate.

All of this could have been avoided if jwhop had been consulted before his chart / life had been splayed out in several posts.

I would be livid (and then IQ would see proper anger) if someone had done that to me. Two people have come close in throwing aspects in my face - which was absolutely NOT tolerated by the majority of Knowflakes here (even those that didn't care for me).

I hope we haven't degenerated into a forum where this behaviour is going to be acceptable.