posted July 07, 2007 08:31 AM         

Here's a short video you might find interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj8GWcwfQrU

posted July 07, 2007 11:27 AM         

In my previous post on this thread, I mentioned the kind of spiritual crisis I went through at the age of 14 when I left my faith...the mormon faith.

It was my first trip to the temple. I was expecting something very profound and spiritual, going by what others had told me. I knew the real 'God'- the Light, because, before I had ever attended the mormon church (at 13), I had always been a very spiritual child and a few times had experienced this feeling of being surrounded by pure love & light......Anyway, I was expecting to feel closest to God at this temple than anywhere else, because that's what they tell you about the temple. When I got there, for reassurance I tried praying for a few moments in private. But I felt nothing. Nothing. A few moments later I was walking along when I slipped and severely bruised my knee on the hard floor- ouch! Things didn't feel right.

After all this happened, I prayed continuously for God to show me a sign if this really was the 'true church'. But I never got the reply which I wanted, at the time. (It makes one feel SECURE to have something to believe in, to hold onto).

Despite all this, I always knew somehow- that the things I felt in my heart which real and true, not dogma and indoctrination.

Isn't it weired how all these cults are steeped in symbolism and stuff going way back, how they thrive on secrecy, FEAR and control? Yes, most importantly fear. Fear is what prevents us from achieving our true worth and rightful destinies. What will we become if we are never given the chance or the knowledge of how we can THINK FOR OURSELVES????

One thing I have in common with David is that I am more interested in finding the truth than of what others think and of fitting in. Yes, it would be lovely to fit in and 'belong' somewhere.....however, we can never be truly free unless we are true to ourS-elves. Separation isn't a natural state for us to be in; just an illusion of this world.......

Just my thoughts.

posted July 07, 2007 04:20 PM         

I watched all of it so thanks for that

posted July 07, 2007 06:09 PM         

Perhaps all the reptilian stuff is fantasy, perhaps it is true. If it is true, there could come a time when the world will realize he was right all along. They will know where to look for answers. No one can actually PROVE that he is wrong, and the witnesses are wrong. There is no smoke without fire, and I see a rather curious arrangement of smoke. Whatever it is, it is fascinating.

Micro chipping people? It might not have happened yet, but a prophecy is probability, not fate set in stone. We create our reality, or each play a part in it collectively. And I think that all this stuff which has come out may have brought about enough changes in people's consciousness that it would raise such a scale of suspicion and opposition if governments were to ever try anything like that....who knows...maybe they will try....for all we know high profile kidnaps such as that of dear Maddy McCann may be conspired to start getting people to agree to getting their children micro chipped!!
NO WAY. We won't let this happen.

'Love is all that is real. Everything else is illusion'. I believe, I feel, that whatever is happening in our world, we really are in a sort of a matrix, a savage garden.....but wisdom will set us free and allow us to move on to higher frequencies.

posted July 07, 2007 06:27 PM         

Your statement made me curious or nosey if you will

"Isn't it weired how all these cults are steeped in symbolism and stuff going way back, how they thrive on secrecy, FEAR and control?"

How do you personally define "cults"?

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posted July 07, 2007 10:59 PM         

Thanks for that video.

Exploring that stuff can be fascinating and fun.
It's pretty heady, though.
Good to come up for air.

You seem to have the right idea.

LOVE

posted July 08, 2007 12:52 AM         

LTT... I e-mailed them to you.

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I think you under-estimate how open-minded some people are, and how utterly gullible many more others are. Clearly, not everyone has to see and/or experience this stuff to believe......Has Icke himself seen or experienced the things he is reporting on?

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I'm curious to know what you disagreed with.....

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posted July 08, 2007 04:04 AM         

I was referring to the evidence that president Bush and other powerful people are members of 'The skull & Bones Society' and such....Bohemian Grove.....did you here about that?

I was also referring to these symbols appearing everywhere, such as the all-seeing eye......David Icke talks about how aliens have been here a long time and sought to gain control through religion. If he is right then some time ago these malevolent races gained access of the most esoteric occult knowledge which they use to their own ends. Knowledge or power in itself isn't evil....it is how it is USED. I believe that metaphysics are just an advanced form of science.

HSC and Silverstone....you aren't argueing, are you? Stop it! Muah!

Silverstone, thank you ever so much for that. I ordered his latest book ('Infinite Love Is The Only Truth, Everything Else Is Illusion') yesterday and also sent an email to them.

By the way, you mentioned you had reasons for believing Arizona. If you don't mind, could you share them with me- send me an email? I'm curious.

*Love*

posted July 08, 2007 05:02 AM         

No, I'm not arguing. HSC, I hope you don't feel that way! I know you have an open mind, HSC, so I hope you don't take my responses as a fight!

I'll be back to post more about this!

posted July 08, 2007 05:19 AM         

Don Juan, the Mexican Yaqui Indian shaman, tells Carlos Castenada the following :
"We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don't do so...I have been beating around the bush all this time, insinuating to you that something is holding us prisoner. Indeed we are held prisoner. "

"This was an energetic fact for the sorcerers of ancient Mexico...They took us over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. Just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, the predators rear us in human coops, humaneros. Therefore, their food is always available to them."

"No, no, no, no," [Carlos Replies] This is absurd don Juan. What you are saying can't be true, for sorcerers or for average men, or anyone."

"Why not?" don Juan asked calmly. Why not? Because it infuriates you?....You haven't heard all the claims yet. I want to appeal to your analytical mind. Think for a moment, and tell me how you would explain the contradictions between the intelligence of man the engineer and the stupidity of his systems of beliefs. or the stupidity of his contradictory Sorcerers Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of belief, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed, and cowerdice. It It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary, and egomaniacal."

"But how can they do this, don Juan' Carlos asked, somehow angered further by what don juan was saying." Do they whisper all that in our ears while we are asleep?"

"No, they don't do it that way. That's idiotic! don Juan said, smiling. "They are infinitely more efficient and organized than that. In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engage themselves in a stupendous maneuver -- stupendous, of course from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous maneuver from the point of view do those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predator's mind is baroque. contradictory, morose, filled with fear of being discovered any minute now."

"I know that even though you have never suffered hunger...you have food anxiety, which is none other than the anxiety of the predator who fears that any moment now it's maneuver is going to be uncovered and food is going to be denied. Through the mind, which, after all, is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them. And they insure, in this manner, a degree of security to act as a buffer against their fear."

"The sorcerers of ancient Mexico were quite ill at ease with the idea of when the predator made it's appearance on Earth. They reasoned that man must have been a complete being at one point, with stupendous insights, feats of awareness that are mythological legends nowadays. And then, everything seems to disappear, and we have now a sedated man. What I'm saying is that what we have against us is not a simple predator. It is very smart, and organized. It follows a methodical system to render us useless. Man, the magical being that he is destined to be, is no longer magical. He's an average piece of meat."

"There are no more dreams for man but the dreams of an animal who is being raised to become a piece of meat : trite, conventional, imbecilic."

"Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes" Carl Gustav Jung~

posted July 08, 2007 09:23 AM         

Was the Carlos Castenada book fictional or non-fictional?

I do not find it inconceivable that David Icke could be sent here by whoever to help awaken humanity

The more I think about it, the more it makes sense.

Back in the days when I was involved with animal rights demonstrations (peaceful) I experienced wrongful arrest (in which the police tried to arrest us under the prevention of terrorism act but we were merely driving to a peaceful demonstration!). I have met people who have been attacked, abused and sexually assaulted by the police. These were all non-violent people. And I'm not against the police as individuals because my Dad use to be one.

I could never understand why the government never did anything about all the harmful stuff which is thrown into food, why GM crops could go ahead, how the war could go ahead when almost everyone seemed against it......etc, etc etc. Surely there is something humanity can pull together to do to solve hunger and disease?! No. Because these powerful, impassive greedy beasts are at the top of the social pyramid and they are not prepared to do anything!!

By the way, do you know if David ever mentions the ancient Crystal Skulls? Like the Anna Mitchell-Hedges skull that was discovered in Mexico. What were these used for? Anything evil?
I think there were alien shaped ones too, I might go and look in a minute. What was really weired about the book "The Mystery of the Ancient Crystal Skulls" by Chris Morton and Ceri Louise Thomas was the chapter regarding the tests done at the British Museum.....Mysteriously the museum refused to comment on the results or reveal what they were!
Weired, eh?

LOVE

posted July 08, 2007 09:43 AM         

Anna Mitchell-Hedges:

posted July 08, 2007 09:51 AM         

There was something incredibly moving about the film 'The Lord of The Rings', although disturbing in some ways....it was just...I feel...so powerful.

That all-seeing eye again!

posted July 08, 2007 01:59 PM         

I have read extensively about these groups and highly recommend an excellent history and comprehension of them in the book Rule By Secrecy by Jim Marrs.

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posted July 08, 2007 04:33 PM         

lol, no, I don't think we are arguing.
But, if we were arguing, so what?
Arguing and fighting are not the same thing.
Debate is challenging, fun, and enlightening.

"Agreement is utterly boring.
When a man contradicts me,
he arouses my attention, not my anger.
It is enough for me that he address his resonses
to the subject of my inquiry."

- Montaigne

I do think we have difficulty understanding each other, for some reason. For instance, I was not wondering what you disagreed with in Icke's views, but in the views I expressed. I quoted you saying, "I agree with most of what you wrote," then I said, "I'm curious to know what you disagreed with." You said it was "just logic", so, I was wondering what I said that did not seem like "just logic". It seems to me, communication ought to be directed to those places where there are disagreements or misunderstandings, so we can learn more about our differing perspectives.

And you said you think this reptillian stuff needs to be seen/experienced to be believed. Now you appear to be saying something different, but I think what you are trying to say is that there are varying levels of belief. I would definitely agree with that, just as there are varying degrees of knowing. For instance, we may believe and know on some level that "All is One," but if we knew this on a deeper level, we would be enlightened, so it is clear that we do not know it as well as we might. Likewise, if a person who believes in reptillians saw one, they would then believe more firmly, and probably that belief would still increase if they were to see one again, and continue to strengthen every time they see one. It's amazing, in the accounts of mystics who have these incredible experiences, seeing angels and experiencing union with the godhead, and, yet, they still fall back into doubt and temptation. At the same time, it is a very individualized thing; one person may believe very strongly without seeing, while another person may believe less strongly despite having seen. In both cases, belief would be strengthened by seeing, but the latter person may have to see something many times in order to achieve the same degree of belief experienced by the former after seeing only once.

LTT,

I bet you would like Sophie Burnham's bestseller, "A Book of Angels". One of the things she talks about is this phenomenon of synchronicity, whereby, at any given time, in different places around the world, the same ideas seem to be manifesting. Frequently, inventors accuse one another of stealing eachother's inventions, or playwrites accuse each other of stealing plotlines they could not possibly have overheard, and the truth is just that there are larger, generational forces influencing all of these people. In astrology, this is shown by the outer planets. Some configuration in the outer planets points to certain ideas, and various individuals who are attuned to those energies pick up those ideas, and think they belong to them!

posted July 08, 2007 05:10 PM         

HSC
I think you may have possibly confused a few of my words for Silverstone's. I was the one who said 'I agree with most of what you wrote'. Easily done after watching those heavy interviews! I know what you mean about coming up for air! I think I've spent the past few years trying to block out some of the horrors I used to read about/ think about, in other areas of life......

Yes, doubt amongst people is a curious thing. For all we know all of this, what we think is real- may be a dream!! But it isn't

Sometimes, when I hear a song I get this feeling I'm hearing something I have heard before; it's almost a sense of timelessness with the melody.

The book you recommended sounds incredible too

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HSC... I agree with most of what you wrote, again that's just logic! I don't think most people want to believe in reptile people

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Nice thoughts.

http://www.amazon.com/Book-Ang els-Reflections-Present-Stories/dp/0345476964/ref=sr_1_1/105-9446683-9000465?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1183937541&sr=8-1

posted July 09, 2007 05:11 AM         

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Crazy?

There are many who will dub me a ‘nut’ for what
I have written in this book. My reply is this:

Today’s mighty oak is just
yesterday’s nut that held its ground.

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Nice one, David!

posted July 09, 2007 07:25 AM         

MUST, MUST, MUST watch (only a few minutes):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PpMdTmVMpo

posted July 09, 2007 06:00 PM         

Do you think I short try and move there? What about all those hot-headed Celtic tempers? Just kidding!