posted July 14, 2007 02:11 PM         

The thing you found on Reptilians, Lotus, is in line with what David Icke has written.

I watched Peggy Kane again and decided that she wasn't painting as dark a picture I at first presumed; there could be something in the things she says too.

However, how can we ever really KNOW the truth? What if the researchers have come to the wrong conclusions? What if the satanic cult hype is fictional, the memories being false ones brought on by suggestion and other means?

Mind you, that Bohemian Grove thing was eerie. Did they ever manage to get full proof that this was going on?

There are definetly conspiracies going on.....

Hmmm....

Who knows?

I wish I had more Time to study all of this!

posted July 14, 2007 04:53 PM         

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrZ1B38TH6k

Could the scream as the 'mock' corpse is lit be a pre-recorded scream? I thought at the end, if it were a real body, wouldn't the scream last longer?

In any case, the whole thing is downright SICK and WEIRED. I hope something happens to change the mess we're living in soon. Why do we have weirdos like this running countries?

posted July 15, 2007 04:23 AM         

I think you are generally right. We definetly need to move away from hate and fear, not toward it.

However, I do think we have a right to know the truth, whatever that may be. Ignorance might be bliss, but it also makes people more easy to control!

I have a lot of faith in people generally; I think the ones who are a bit of pain can be lifted up when they are shown higher vibrations.....But generally, most people are compassionate and would run to save anyone they saw if they were in great trouble.

I think you are right about what you said regarding if there really are Reptilians.

Thank you, MM. I went to bed last night feeling really depressed after watching the Bohemian Grove thing

Your words have made me feel better today

This is what I feel would cure all the world's ills:

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

(Edited)

posted July 15, 2007 08:46 AM         

VERY interesting interview:
http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_Benjamin_Fulford_070507.mp3

Also, it says on Icke's site that several attempts have been made to close his site down. I found this thread which also says that people have tried to stop the sale of his DVD:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4460

People ask why Icke hasn't been killed or suppressed for what he's saying or whatever. Well, for one thing they have been trying to suppress. And for another thing, as Icke said, these Illuminati beings are NOT 'all-powerful' nor are they invincible. There are obviously OTHER powers at work! (I think the Bohemian Grove ceremony expresses their fear and hatred of these other powers. Cowards!)

That's why we do need to focus on spreading HIGHER vibrations of LOVE

*The only power the Illuminati have is our IGNORANCE

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Ignorance might be bliss, but it also makes people easier to control.

posted July 15, 2007 10:39 AM         

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Read about 1/2 of the first page. Just wanted to mention that I think it is all a lot of evil illusion and I think that giving this much energy and time to it and allowing it to infiltrate your thoughts and upset you IS the actual danger. And as we expand ourselves to know and understand more of the Truth, we GROW, becoming larger in a sense, encompassing more of the energy around us. Delving into more details and complications and separations and fearful darknesses is about falling into TRAPS. This is going the WRONG WAY.
Do not give these thoughts or philosophies power. "Hard to see, the dark side is."
Delving into these thoughts removes you from where you thoughts SHOULD be. Go outward in circles. If you go into yourself in circles you will discover your reptilian nature, which is fine, but crawly and fearful and small and disturbing. Go outward in circles, ask for and help create peace and love everyday around you. Transmute your self and your area. If you can master that in this lifetime, expand your circle.
Find people to look up to in the world, who you see have expanded their loving and peaceful power and actually made a difference. Watch what they do and get a realistic perspective on what is possible and make goals to reach that point and beyond.
Don't give your power to those you see as having power who are not doing a good job. They are just doing the best they can, at their enlightenment level. If they really are juiced up with so much more power than any "human" than there's no point in worrying about it anyway. Just enjoy your time with your loved ones and power yourself up before the stuff hits the fan...

Its just more and more and more and more and more divisions until things are so separated from the Whole that they live in constant fearful states and have a desperate need to feed combined with so much paranoia that they lash out and attack every energy that happens by. God bless them. Go the other way up the steps before you get lost too.
How about one of those pics with the ball of condensed Light in the middle with smaller and smaller and smaller circles radiating out of it. Go back toward the Light and send a beam back out to them if you want to help. Keep moving toward the Light and Love.

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you say we should not give our attention to the potential danger that this subject matter warrants. yet, in a previous, contentious filled issue, you were a loud advocate for not 'hiding from reality', that we can and should allow and subject ourselves to the graphic description of the awful things people do to each other...etc....it seemed that you were berating those who wished for this forum to be a place of light and higher vibration, who asked that such topics be posted elsewhere, for escaping from reality, and not facing up to problems of the world.

i think that you are asking now for the same thing that others wished for in the other circumsance....to choose enlightenment, (others were asking for that at least in this one haven on this board), rather than 'giving power to the darkness.' i would note that others, in the previous circmstance, were not claiming to wish to 'escape' those darker issues, just not to encounter them here, in this particular forum, a place of rest and respite.

you've said this about conspiracy theories elsewhere...not to give power to them by acknowledging them,reading about them, or thinking about them, even if they are real. i don't really understand the difference between 'facing reality' in one instance, and 'powering up' and away, and engaging in only enlightenment, in another instance, esp as it seems that the two issues could quite possibly be linked.

from the 'karmic justice' issue ~

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I am ASTOUNDED.
By all means, lets just forget about that little girl and the man/boy who did it. Let's not investigate his state of mind and what caused it or the environment that contributed to the entire situation. Then it can just keep happening and as long as it isn't happening to the kids in nice suburban neighborhoods and we can hide it from those nice suburban kids, then everyone in suburbia can sleep at night (no offense about the "sleeping" Mirandee) and everything will just get better and MORE POSITIVE!!! YAY!

I

AM

ASTOUNDED.

Let's just close our minds to everything of that nature and take our SUV's to the New Age store to buy some new GEMS and FLOWER ESSENCES and pretty music on compact disc.

Are my books by Linda Goodman different than other people's books by Linda Goodman? Love Signs for instance, brings up a new atrocity of the world in practically every section that she suggests the couple can investigate further and attempt to take action toward communicating it to others and changing the situation for the better.

Blue Roamer, thank you for saying this:

"You seem to believe that if we sweep things under the carpet they go away, but this is not true. Shall we ignore all the misdeeds that go on in this world? I have the greatest respect for those that delve into these underworlds in an attempt to expose and destroy them. People who work with pedophiles, homeless, poor, murderers, the mentally ill, the unlovable, these are the true saints of the world."

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http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002649-2.html

i don't mean to cause an argument with you Melody...i'm just confused about these differing attitudes. i'm not a David Icke apologist by any means, but much of his writing revolves around people who engage in the same types of abuses that you so valiantly oppose in these other threads. his 'theories' may be real, and they may not be, but much of the atrocities that he writes about are (edit* as well as those of other conspiracy theories.)

posted July 15, 2007 11:07 AM         

Anyway, those who would prefer not to read more depressing threads do NOT have to read them! I like BlueRoamer's words.

MM was just concerned that this sort of thing can SOMETIMES breed negativity.....

HOWEVER..... David Icke himself who is one of the more more intelligent and enlightened people does not advocate fear, or hate. He has said that those in power are NOT invincible, etc. He has said that THE ONLY POWER THEY HAVE IS OUR IGNORANCE.

He wants to empower us. He might not be 100% about everything. We do have our OWN minds! But do we want open minds or closed minds?

David said he doesn't want to demonize the Reptilian race because some of them are actually working towards the greater good for all of us. He also said, when he has been advised to protect himself from negative forces, he says 'Why do I need to protect myself from something which is an illusion'. When you read his latest book, you realize what he is all about.

It is easy to misjudge someone when you don't have all the facts. If negativity has resulted from his research and basic desire to spread awareness/ empowerment, then it is not his fault.

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Ignorance might be bliss, but it also makes people easier to control.

posted July 15, 2007 01:50 PM         

here is the actual string, it's about celibacy, and I have no masturbation routine, read the string...

real nice people here at LL, NOT

dragging other people into their agruments..

leave me out of it, I left this thread, and am now leaving again!

posted July 15, 2007 02:03 PM         

Now, I am leaving this thread!

posted July 15, 2007 02:07 PM         

I was doing a bit of a "power up" on this thread, naiad. I don't know if I can explain this the way I see it, but since you asked, I'm absolutely going to try. Let's start with the basic ideas and go from there.

I think there is a world of difference between a real child in a real town being raped by a real wacko, and a theory about secretive possible realities (what I called illusion in the first paragraph) that keeps people awake at night in fear of the possibility of the reality of these secret realities.
And Trees, I'm not referencing your words about it keeping you awake at night, I am referencing what I knew would happen from reading this thread. In my mind I saw some friends wandering down the stairs to learn the path through the darkness so that they may later lead others out of the darkness. I saw my friends begin to look around, with a bit of a glaze in their eyes... starting to become confused as to where they were and what was going on. They began to sweep at their arms as if unseen bugs were crawling on them. Their strength and insight was still there, but with a *hint* of confusion. I just turned on a generic economy sized flashlight and glared it on them so they could see there weren't really any bugs.
Now they can proceed as they like.

I might need them to shine a light for me in the future.

ya know?

I'm not arguing about whats-his-name. I haven't researched him. Leaving that to my able companions. Just warning them to beware of traps. I have my own opinions on what he and they are bringing to light, and I tried to address that, but I must not have communicated it properly because I don't think I got it across. It is clear to me that I see the idea of dimensions quite differently than Icky (hehe) and that is the only thing that I can argue that I think he is wrong about unless I research (delve into) it myself, which I choose not to do at this time. If he is mixing tiny seeds of deception with Truths (as only the best evil genius' do hehe) then it appears he is doing a good job. Maybe he is actually doing great work. A mission like this takes an extreme amount of discernment and CAUTION. You must not be quick to believe, or even quick to soak up what he is putting out. Take it slow, take frequent breaks, take companions... and LISTEN to them if things start to get murky and Seeing is difficult.

posted July 15, 2007 02:26 PM         

but you must be confusing me with someone else here. My buddies bombard me with conspiracy theories, I read them from time to time, but I am careful. I acknowledge a few things too. I'm usually more inclined to make jokes about them. You may have misunderstood something I said or confused me with someone else.

posted July 15, 2007 05:38 PM         

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Take it slow, take frequent breaks, take companions... and LISTEN to them if things start to get murky and Seeing is difficult.

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Sure, I will. It helps to have my ascendant in Capricorn- calms some of that air down!

By the way, the things David writes about are not original. They have been written about by other people too. All he wants is to communicate to people the things he has found through his research. Perhaps he is the one who has been misled?

I can't help but but want to know the truth. I need to find the answers in the best way I can, within my personal limitations.

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Ignorance might be bliss, but it also makes people easier to control.

posted July 15, 2007 07:22 PM         

I was about to respond to naiad, if you didnt respond,
and note that the difference seemed to be that
you were saying this conspiracy stuff is an "illusion".

But now you seem unsure of this,
and admitting that the truth, to be known,
requires a lot of conscientious investigation.

I think the same is true in common casses of pedaphelia. Often, the child is dismissed, people deny it in order to sleep at night. In the case of a respected member of the community being accused, like, say, a priest in the local church, there is often a feeling that the suspicion is morbidly absurd. They will object by saying that, in order to know the truth, a lot of digging would have to be done, pressumably innocent people's lives will be messed with, and important resources will be squandered.

It's easy to talk about the truth, or denying the truth, after the truth has come out and become public knowledge. I would argue that those are the dirty little "secrets" that ought first to be left alone, since they are no longer secrets, but are already being aired in the light of day. Still they are worth remembering, so as not to let history repeat itself. But something sinsiter that has yet to be discovered is even more deserving of our attention. Especially if it is as sinister, insidious, and far-reaching as Icke's theory. If there is even a slight chance that what he says is true, it absolutely demands investigation. I do think there's more we can do than just raise our vibrations and hope that, if they do eat us, they will choke on the love. I think its very possible that they do not exist according to the same spiritual laws that we do, and may not be receptive to love at all.

I have heard that like attracts like, and also that opposites attract. I've heard that, raising one's vibration makes it impossible for one to cross paths with entities at lower vibrations. I've also read that raising one's vibration makes one strong enough to handle lower vibrations, and that God gives us only what we are strong enough to deal with. I've read that devils flee from the very name of God. And I've read that devils are dispatched to do battle with good men, and the higher your vibration, the more devils will be dispatched to do you in. Saints are often martyred. Christ was crucified; clearly his high vibration did not keep the nails away, though its possible he did not feel their pain. The story of the Buddha shows him being subject to incredible temptations from Mara, the God of Illusion. And the closer he gets to the goal of enlightenment, the more harrowing and persuasive the illusions become.

Perhaps the answer to these seemingly contradictory teachings is that nothing ever gets better or worse, it only gets bigger. The soul grows and encompasses more, for good and ill. We attract more good spirits, and more evil spirits, too.

Its all theory.

posted July 15, 2007 07:37 PM         

I think its worth reposting this:

~As the light grows, we see ourselves to be worse than we thought. We are amazed at our former blindness as we see issuing from our heart a whole swarm of shameful feelings, like filthy reptiles crawling from a hidden cave. But we must be neither amazed nor disturbed. We are not worse than we were; on the contrary, we are better. But while our faults diminish, the light we see them by waxes brighter, and we are filled with horror. So long as there is no sign of cure, we are unaware of the depth of our disease; we are in a state of blind presumption and hardness, the prey of self-delusion. While we go with the stream, we are unconscious of its rapid course; but when we begin to stem it ever so little, it makes itself felt.~

posted July 15, 2007 09:48 PM         

You said:
"the difference seemed to be that
you were saying this conspiracy stuff is an "illusion".
But now you seem unsure of this,
and admitting that the truth, to be known,
requires a lot of conscientious investigation."

"illusion" relatively speaking

and you said:
"I do think there's more we can do than just raise our vibrations and hope that, if they do eat us, they will choke on the love. I think its very possible that they do not exist according to the same spiritual laws that we do, and may not be receptive to love at all."

Sounds like a job fitting of your Plutonian powers. I trust you. I was just going for extremes (generic economy sized flashlight).

here's more of what you said (don't you wish I knew how to do that quote thing?):
"And the closer he gets to the goal of enlightenment, the more harrowing and persuasive the illusions become"

I agree again. Before I went to the hospital with the brain pressure, there was a great deal of pressure on my brain. If ya know what I mean. After that experience, it was gone.

Now, I could choose to believe that the lizard people entered my brain and re-wired it to deceive me, or I can choose to believe that I am surrounded and protected by the Power of God at all times. I choose to believe I am God and God is Me and We are Light and We are Peaceful and Joyous.
I only choose to believe the other stuff when We are bored.
See how I brought It All Together? Back Full Circle?
I
use
My
free will
to do what
I
want.
It's
All
part of
My
Plan,
You
SEE?

We *DO* SEE
By the grace of God

"generic economy sized flashlight"

Just playing my role as scripted...

Sorry about the Capitol letters, I don't remember how to Bold/italic etc.

posted July 15, 2007 09:49 PM         

generic economy sized flashlight

that's all
not intricate detailed debate or philosophy to prove someone is foolish or wrong.

posted July 15, 2007 09:57 PM         

On the topic...
I also forgot to bring up the bit about scientists doing experiments and noticing that the results changed with their expectation of the results.

posted July 16, 2007 03:09 AM         

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I have heard that like attracts like, and also that opposites attract. I've heard that, raising one's vibration makes it impossible for one to cross paths with entities at lower vibrations. I've also read that raising one's vibration makes one strong enough to handle lower vibrations, and that God gives us only what we are strong enough to deal with. I've read that devils flee from the very name of God. And I've read that devils are dispatched to do battle with good men, and the higher your vibration, the more devils will be dispatched to do you in. Saints are often martyred. Christ was crucified; clearly his high vibration did not keep the nails away, though its possible he did not feel their pain. The story of the Buddha shows him being subject to incredible temptations from Mara, the God of Illusion. And the closer he gets to the goal of enlightenment, the more harrowing and persuasive the illusions become.

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yes...i've discovered similar notions in some of my reading as of late....in dion fortune and rudolf steiner. i searched in vain for the dion fortune book this evening and it was nowhere to be found. but you've got this in my head now....and i will keep searching.

posted July 16, 2007 05:38 AM         

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"Oh my poor virgin ears!!!"

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By the way, this is how you do the quote thing (without the spaces): [ quote ]......[ /quote ]

YES, IT IS VERY EASY FOR PEOPLE TO GET THEIR WIRES CROSSED! BUT QUITE OFTEN, IT IS NOT AS BAD AS IT MAY SEEM!

It is very interesting....This 'world of illusion'. What is real and what is fantasy. The MIND really IS a MATRIX. Scientists never agree. Politicians never agree. Philosophers never agree. Or at least, I should say 'rarely agree', LOL. Researchers often disagree.

posted July 16, 2007 05:49 AM         

Lets suppose David Icke has been 'led up the garden path' himself.

Who would want to do this?

Those conspiring to bring on a political rebellion perhaps?

I found a story about children who were forced into care after teachers over reacted to a boy's bizarre story which they thought meant he was being 'Satanically' abused.

I did a search on the internet about the subject and there is a huge amount of stuff saying that there is no compelling evidence for it; that the hype only began a few decades ago; before this not a word of it.

A lot of Christians think that Paganism is equal to Satanism. But the Bible itself is full of fear, blackmail and bloodshed. Whereas the most important teaching of Wicca is:
"If it harms NONE, do what you will".

Personally, I don't dabble with spells or the spirit world because I feel I need to be sure of what I am letting in first. That's why we don't leave our front doors open.

posted July 16, 2007 05:57 AM         

We need to follow our own hearts....Lotus is right, "Go within"

Do you know what my heart tells me?

That Heaven and Hell, 'Good' and 'Evil' are man-made concepts.

When did GOD ever, ever right a book????!!!

The true Nirvana does not intervene.

But Love is all, and is in all.

It doesn't make sense to me that ANY ONE SPECIES should be the embodiment of all evil.

That kind of thinking reminds me of the freakin' medieval times! LOL!
The witch hunts......Homophobia.....Xenophobia....etc

Love is all, and is in all- the only real evil is ignorance itself.

posted July 16, 2007 10:06 AM         

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P.S. We must remember that we humans are finite; we are all vulnerable....and this kind of stuff- Reptilians, conspiracies, etc- could lead to a nervous breakdown for some My heart tells me that this is the reason some people chose to instinctively stay away. There is only so much any one person can do. And it is a vast ocean when it comes to finding the truth.

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quite true. much of what Icke writes about, i have read his work, is rife with the kinds of things Melody wrote of in the karmic justice thread. however, universal codes was not the place i expected to encounter something such as that. such things that very much need to be addressed, i most heartily agree...it's the reason i read about people such as Icke and his ilk. but when i read about the infant abuse, in both that instance, and others that she's mentioned in this forum, so unexpectedly, its very graphic and shock value content hit me like a ton of bricks. i felt sick to my core, at the thought of the abuse those childen endure. i went into endless spirals of sobs for hours, and felt so sad at the state of this world, that i almost couldn't endure it.