posted July 16, 2007 03:06 PM         

I'm sorry to hear that you had a few days of crying for the little girl. I experienced that myself, in addition to a lot of soul searching, but you might have read about that because I explained some of it in those threads. It occurred to me while typing those sentences that maybe we were experiencing a share of her pain, and maybe we even took a day or two away from her. That just came out of nowhere, so I don't know. It feels nice though... maybe it is wishful thinking or maybe it is true on some level, or maybe it is because her pain meant something and taught us something that gives the Lightness. I don't know.

I have been going on the philosophy "QUESTION EVERYTHING" since I was about 20 years old so I can be gone for days just pondering the intricacies of that one possibility, so I do a little head shake, put on a smile and keep truckin' most of the time these days.

posted July 16, 2007 03:07 PM         

That was just me 'talking about a bad day at work' and I was TICKED that people were shredding me up about it. I'd like a little pat on the back and a 'way to go my spiritual companion!' for delving into the area and dealing with the pain of it so that so many others DON'T have to. I keep it ALLLLLLL bottled up inside. You have NO idea. So, a little leaked out. How about others surrounding me with Light when the anger over that stuff starts to overcome me?

WHERE ARE MY FRIENDS WITH THE ECONOMY SIZED FLASHLIGHT to stand and keep smiling and sending love, while I argue with them until the feeling passes? As you can see, BlueRoamer had my back on that one and I won't soon forget it. Steve always does. I was mostly here for Trees, as I've taken a liking to her and she is a momma too. I would go through Hell for Steve, but he can usually take care of himself.

posted July 16, 2007 03:10 PM         

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posted July 16, 2007 04:33 PM         

that perhaps the disturbingly graphic story of the little girl was devised by one of the reptilians....(i believe Melody is sincere in her compassion...this is just theoretical...)...devised by a reptilian so that thousands of people would read it, unexpectedly in UC, and react with anguish and despair....wouldn't a reptilian derive great feeding pleasure from such a universal rush of sadness and negativity?

so that after a day of reading all about the sadness and terrors that happen in this world, in order to not hide from reality, and do my duty by staying informed of the huge amount of nastiness rampant in this world, i decide to cleanse myself of the sadness in my aura, and meditate on sending love and healing to the world. so i bathe, make some soothing tea, and take a peek into a high vibration spot on the web, where i know i'm likely to find a heightened consciousness conducive for lifting my spirits for the purpose of my meditation -- universal codes in LL...then i read the graphic story of the unimaginable rape of an infant. knowing that i might find something like that in GU, i avoided it (GU), thinking to raise my vibrations rather than lower them with anguish. i don't really know how that helps anyone.

so perhaps the reptilians won on that one. of course it is all in how we choose to react, i understand. i could attempt to see that situation in different light, and let it inform my consciousness in some way or another. but that night i was already drained and beyond that level of strength. and of course, i'd never expect any child to understand something like that, much less be able to process it rationally.

i don't know, perhaps this is the reason Sesame felt it necessary to take action. as for David Icke, counseling people not to read his work, not to buy in to his energy is fine....it's still their choice whether to avail themselves of his ideas, or leave them alone.

but on the one hand, telling us it's necessary to read the graphic obscenities, and that they can and should be posted in UC, because they're objectionable, but not to read david icke or conspiracy theories, because they too are objectionable....i am very sorry, but there is a disconnect here, i think that is a fundamental question about how we truly should go about our attempts to heal this world.

posted July 16, 2007 04:48 PM         

i'm simply not at the level of being anything to anyone as you discuss. really i'm not. and i'm not much of a friend either i suppose because i didn't defend HSC when i didn't agree with some of his actions, though i do consider him an excellent person.

and i'm quite certain that you do not consider me a friend Melody, and that is perfectly fine as well. and contrary to popular thought, such a notion does not in any way indicate depression, or failing that, sarcasm. i am still happy. i think you are a lovely and wonderful person Melody. i am just not like you.

posted July 16, 2007 06:19 PM         

I think people who are sensitive, on the flip side perhaps, tend to be over-sensitive. We mustn't always assume or fear the worst. Anyway, who cares what any one else thinks? You know who you are. As long as you are pure-hearted and honest, and you know you are being true to yourself, that is all that matters. It is up to people if they want to trust you or not. Let them decide. It isn't our problem if people misjudge us. Fighting and worrying is a waste of energy!

I am beginning to have serious doubts about whether there really are these reptilians who are pure evil, as I said before. The idea that any one species could be pure evil sounds alien to me....excuse the pun

As for the karmic justice thread....I didn't read it but let us just project our thoughts into the infinite....infinite possibilities....perhaps there is a way to take their suffering away in the dimension of Time it happened....and perhaps it is happening but we just don't know about it

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posted July 16, 2007 07:18 PM         

As you probably know, the topic of infant rape was raised by me, although Melody saw fit to elaborate with a larger slice of true life. My defense of my part in that thread, at the time, was, partly, that the title of the thread itself suggested a warning that the subject matter therein would likely be very heavy and controversial. The topic as you know was the existence of, and possible justification for, evil. Not child's play, to be sure, and not something to confront when you are already in a fragile state.

Blue Roamer was clearly troubled, and, more than anything, I believe he was looking for at least one person to show, in no uncertain terms, that they understood and sympathized with his concerns, and were not about to shrink from the starkest reality, as that was precisely what confronted him, and stared him right in the face, at that time in his life. As I saw it, not one person was willing to look the matter squarely in the eye with him, and that is another reason I chose to speak as I did.

I do believe that, if ever there was a place to confront such issues, it would be in a part of the forum concerned with ultimate truth (i.e. Universal Codes). I like to think that these things are not off-limits, and that, if someone is really struggling with the concept and reality of evil, they will be provided a place within the community to discuss it openly and frankly. Like most things that make us intensely uncomfortable, and which we are naturally inclined to gloss over, I believe it is one of the most important issues, if not the most important issue, we can confront in this life, as truth seekers, and I think that thread was intensely important.

I have always felt that, in order to address the problem of justifying the existence of evil, it is absolutely essential to descend into the very heart of evil, and to make use of the most evil example one can possibly imagine, in order to deal with the real facts of the case. Half-measures will not do, and they only suggest that the person who makes use of them is shrinking from the full truth, in order to make superficial sense of it.

As I wrote in that thread, I had been contributing here at LL for almost 4 years and never used language or subject matter as graphic as I chose to use there. I felt it was appropriate under the circumstances, which, to my mind, were very unusual. I'm sorry it upset you. I hear your concerns, which are very well expressed, and, at this point, to be honest, you've got me thinking (and feeling), and I'm not sure that I was right to confront such graphic terminology and subject matter publicly. I do think it is a complex matter. At least, that is how it continues to appear to me.

As to another point you raised...

For the record, I would never desire, let alone expect, anyone to come to my defense if they believed I was in the wrong. I'm very Aquarian, and, I can assure you, I have more sympathy and respect for the person who abandons or maturely opposes my cause on principle, than for anyone who supports my cause disingenuously or for purely personal reasons. I did complain that some people were not coming to my defense, but the people I complained about are the ones who I believe agreed with me, not the ones who disagreed. I'm sorry I did not make that clear at the time.

posted July 16, 2007 08:05 PM         

however, i see a lot of the same types of content in david icke's research, painful stuff, that he brings to the forefront, whether one chooses to believe the reptilian agenda or not.

my question is more about the counsel to face the negativity/evil in the eye, or the opposite, not feed it, fill yourself with light, and focus on contributing positive vibes to the world. i think that you can achieve both actually.

i was just questioning the contradictory protests regarding each issue - issues, that to me, are not necessarily separate. there are other instances of such contradiction, including very graphic and disturbing child rape images.

posted July 16, 2007 08:42 PM         

but 'truth,' when it's graphically disturbing child/infant rape imagery, is necessary to display and confront...and most necessarily, in this forum.....

that's what i was questioning....when is 'truth' ok and 'necessary' to display and when should we not regard it at all, in order to avoid such negativity?

posted July 16, 2007 09:14 PM         

Here's the last try to explain to you, since I am uncertain if you are fully reading and attempting to understand what I have already written.

By "economy sized flashlight" and I am calling to mind (for some people) Linda Goodman's idea that whenever a Libra hears something strongly on one extreme side, they feel the need to argue the same issue from the extreme other side whether that is their actual stance or not. I was balancing. The economy sized flashlight means, yes this is basic beginner stuff, broad in nature and not taking all intricacies into consideration, but ultimately all of our (New Age or spiritual folks) roots.
I was not, in any way, attempting to imply that people should not explore at all (as I've said many times in different ways). I was just yanking minds back to middle ground so everyone could see clearly before continuing with such dark work.
In in case you are anyone else misunderstands, I don't consider "dark" to mean "bad".

posted July 16, 2007 09:21 PM         

if this is how you feel, then why not advocate this middle ground, 'flashlight', 'balance', in your vociferous defense of the necessity of the extreme graphic infant rape issue -- and other instances of relaying graphic/pornographic rape instances?

posted July 16, 2007 11:04 PM         

I really appreciate your honesty (and how difficult it may have been) and I can see why you were and are upset and you have given me more awareness in discussing these issues in the future, although I must admit, I still don't know where the line is drawn in your experience (meaning what would ok for someone with those sensitivities to read and what would not be, I imagine every new story about it must bring painful things to mind, and please don't think you have to explain this to me and cause yourself anymore stress or thought about it) but at least I will think of you and won't let my temporary pain at the thought leak out to cause even MORE pain to someone who has experienced something like that.
God bless you and heal your heart and mind, and I can completely understand why you would not have expected to see that now.

You are absolutely working for others, lovely nymph of the spring. Thank you for speaking your truth. I am completely clear again, and you can say anything you need to say.

Love to you

posted July 16, 2007 11:50 PM         

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posted July 16, 2007 11:58 PM         

Illustrations by Clive Burrows, the Isle of Wight artist, of what people see when humans shape-shift into reptiles. This is particularly common among world leaders in politics, banking, business, the military and so on.

More Clive Burrows portrayals of reptiles overshadowing a human while not actually occupying the body Burrows produced these illustrations from descriptions by one of the countless people I have met who see the reptiles of the lower fourth dimension. They appear to attach to humans by two of the lower chakras.

The ancient images on the wall of the temple at Saqqara, Egypt, depicting one of their ‘gods’. Look at the close up of this ‘god’ and it correlates remarkably with the descriptions of the ‘serpent race’. It even seems to me to have wings, as with the winged Draco.

The Pope with his ‘fish head hat’, a symbol of the Babylonian god-figure, Nimrod.

Doves on the sceptres of British royalty The dove is a symbol of Queen Semiramis, Nimrod’s partner in Babylon. Note also the use of Maltese crosses which were found on caves in the former Phoenician land of Cappadocia in what is now Turkey

The Maltese Cross can also be found on the British Coronation Crown...

... and on the uniform of the Nazis. Hitler’s fanatics also used the skull and bones, the reversed swastika (a Phoenician Sun
symbol), and the eagle, a symbol which evolved from the Phoenician-Egyptian sun bird, the Phoenix.

Prince Albert, Duke of Clarence and Avondale, pictured in 1890, two years before he ‘died’; and Adolph Hitler pictured in the German army 25 years later in 1915. Are these the same men? Was Hitler the grandson of Queen Victoria? There are certainly many fascinating connections.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002287-2.html

posted July 17, 2007 12:00 AM         

The Island where Diana is said to be buried in the lake at the Spencer ancestral home at Althorp Park in Northamptonshire. Islands, lakes and tree groves are all fundamental symbols in the legend of the ancient Goddess Diana.

President Kennedy’s motorcade in Dealey Plaza at the moment he was shot on November 22nd 1963 - 656 years to the day from the time the Inquisition began its purge of the Knights Templar. Note that Kennedy’s car in the foreground has no
security guards, but the one behind has four!

Assassinations don’t just happen, they are allowed to happen.

The Pont de L‘Alma Tunnel in Paris (left), the Bridge or Place of the Moon Goddess, and above the tunnel are the crossroads, the traditional domain of Hecate.

One of the 17 close circuit cameras (far right) on the route from the Ritz to the Pont de l’Alma looks down onto the entrance to the tunnel (right). It would have seen Diana’s car enter and recorded any other vehicles or activity But like all the others, it was switched off at the time.

The Mercedes (right) crumpled on impact with the 13th pillar (above) and Diana died in this ancient sacred sacrificial site for the Goddess Diana.

posted July 17, 2007 03:06 AM         

Which is more important.....that the TRUTH be known to the world, or we protect people's feelings by hiding it? Which is more important- that the victim's pain be known, or the non-victims don't have to look at it? Isn't seeing the suffering with our own eyes the only thing that can MOTIVATE us to get up and DO something about it?????

Ok.....For any readers that just find David Icke's conclusions too ridiculous to consider....I urge you all to do some research (there is plenty about it online) on Bohemian Grove.

I have just put up a thread about this subject alone on Global Unity. I am going to have to keep looking into all this now I've started, but I will remind myself to come up for air and to think of the love and light.....I think there must be forces of which have also been protecting David......

posted July 17, 2007 03:23 AM         

Don't let this get you down.
But it's definately something to keep looking into!

Blessings...
Silverstone