posted July 09, 2007 11:14 PM         

I will skip why my theory is a resounding no because it would take pages to explain

No,I do not believe reptilians are shapeshifting as Human Beings or vice versa.

I have no doubt that other planets/dimensons have Beings we could perceive as reptiles tho.

It would be terribly egotistical to believe we are all the Creator created in this wondrous universe. Soooo,

Does the reptilian theory exist because humans perpetuate it to explain evil behaviors that seem so alien ?

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posted July 10, 2007 12:57 AM         

"Spirit World" is a mind-blowing video, I highly recommend it.

posted July 10, 2007 05:01 AM         

She says that most astral beings, guides, guardian angels etc are devils in disguise.

David Icke began his quest after he started hearing voices when he was a sports presenter. Could he have been hearing reptilians?!

Reverse speech........Could this be truly reliable form of channeling the truth or is she just reading far too much into all this? Paranoia? The work of a paranoid mind?

These are just questions. I'm not certain of the answers.

She talks about even near-death experiences being a part of the illusion, the deception, the manipulation.....sounds possible but surely

there must be some sort of greater universal justice?

I mean, I struggle with the concept of suffering in our world; the torture that is carried out against prisoners of war, victims of sadism, animals in torture laboratories- crimes against the innocent are the wickedest of all vile crimes in the world.......but perhaps it seems worse to an individual trying to carry the weight of the world on his/ her shoulders than to the individual who must endure up to a point- for nothing can last forever.....I gave birth and I got through that!

What I'm saying is that the version Peggy is creating seems too dark to be real, even though I think it is possible that all the other things could be happening.

Anyone who is getting into this, please be careful not to get paranoid because it could easily lead to this. All this stuff is highly overwhelming and could easily lead to paranoia leading to mental illness. Personally I believe there has to be some sort of guidance from the sources of light in the universe to help balance everything out. We mustn't be too quick to believe all we hear.

We must go within.

There must be some highly spiritual beings who want to help the beings of this world. That is, unless, pain does not really matter- compassion does not matter once you have found your own Nirvana. Personally I don't think that makes sense if we are all connected. It is the reptilians who have no compassion. So, surely there are light workers working between dimensions who want to help set us FREE?

I wish I could meet a member of the supposed illuminati so that I could use my own intuition to sense whether they are evil or not!

As we think, so we are.

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And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

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If people believe in evil and focus on evil then their thoughts will also manifest evil?

I don't know.....I don't.

I do believe that the truth can be found within. I believe that we need to return to innocence. This is how we can find truth. We find it in those who emanate such love, compassion and understanding, who wish to spread the light but do not seek to control.

LOVE.

Edited to add: I don't think that all of those who do seek to control are evil either; they are seeking to control because they think chaos causes evil...most of them....Perhaps some at the top think differently- but like Juniperb says; this may just be a way to put all the things we do not like in ourselves onto ANOTHER species!!! (You can email me more of your thoughts if you have time, Juniper- emailyme:hotmail.com)

posted July 10, 2007 05:06 AM         

Just a thought.

posted July 10, 2007 07:57 AM         

I'm back to studying David's stuff....I'm not
going to pay any attention to Peggy I think she has become paranoid and mentally ill....poor thing.....This is the danger here with all this stuff. The main thing is to focus on the light in our hearts, while we try to educate ourselves about the 'darkness' so we may be strong to rise above it and make changes.

Oh, and by the way, another thing that happened recently was this innocent, epileptic guy was tortured and starved to death by a group in a shed who wanted to teach him a lesson for damaging their car....there is much evil in NON-reptilian people alone!

LOVE

posted July 10, 2007 03:03 PM         

Let's think about the reptilians, now let's think of Land of the Lost, an old TV show, now let's think of the movie, Super Mario Brothers..Yes, reptilians are there..what does this mean..they are collective memories, from another time, and dimension, into this one..
Now, how is it actually today? After going within and talking to MOther and Father God, I can share what has been shone..
We are all children of God, we are all equal, we are all divine, we are all intergrated at this time, there is no separtism, except for what we humans create..
The Sects, cults, religions that separate us have all been created by man, and keep you from going within, and know God MOther and Father yourSelf..by relying on these groups, your own work is neglected for only you hold the truth within..

Now, some of these sects practice human sacrifice to a false GOD..Just as the Mayan's did..were the Mayan's reptilians, yes, they were ancestors of them..and they disappeared for a reason..their karma, their wrong doing..you get what you give..the life they took from others, was taken from them...

There have been many creations, many beginnings, and many falls, for new beginnings..different races were intergrated into this Earth plane existence, we are all the same now, all connected, all under the Universal God Laws..

Listening to voices of the lower plane entities, and their images, happens to people who are weak, they are easy to manipulate and mind control.. they can be made to believe anything..

The only way to GOD, is with pureness of Heart, with strong desire for the Good of ALL, knowing all is connected, and equal, no one is excluded..

The Only Way to Overcome all this Evil, all these new world order sects, is to come and know GOD..There is nothing to FEAR, when you know GOD, and come to know Truth..and the Truth is Universal and the same for all..

Instead of wasting your time on all this junk, meditate, pray to God, desire to really know GOD, and you shall..Seek the Truth, and the Truth shall set you FREE, know ThySelf..don't be fooled..

by all the characters created for decpetion, and their own agenda, listen to no one but yourSelf and God..No One can show you The Way, but yourSelf..

Even Jesus and the Magdalene were part of a bloodline sect, born into the sect, to keep it all going, 12 disciples, causing separtism, from the masses, when all should be equal, no one higher than another..the lies have been perpetuated through time and space,

The Truth shall be revealed, and everything we have done, for we are all a part of it, all connected, all responsible for where we are today, there is no One to blame, but OurSelves, this is what we created..

It's time to Awaken to the Truth of God MOther and Father, who we chose to turn our backs on, taking away the 13 month and sign, hiding them, erasing them from our memory, except elevating Father falsely, so that Man could take over and control, for power and greed..

What a mess we have made of this Universe..
MOther and Father Unite, 50/50

bring Heaven on Earth..

Earth is Hell, and we chose to come here,
and we have a purpose here..know it, breath it, and live your purpose..be true to ALL. ...

LOve Overcomes ALL Odds...

Fear breeds Fear, that is what David Icke is doing, breeding Fear in shape-shifting reptilians, the mind can be made to believe anything, when there is weakness, and where God does not live, there is a spark within you, to bring God alive within you..feed that flame of LOve and Light..Connect..to the ALL..

Sorry for going on and on, I get exasperated with all this NOnSense. ...people listening to people who are crazy, and have their own crazy agenda..
all we need to do, is connect on a Soul Level, across the World, to OverCome all the people operating at a lower level..even if they are in power..they cannot control MOther and Father GOD, that is their biggest FEAR..
and we are ALL GOD, and ALL Divine..know this..and We Win

NOW is WON!

posted July 10, 2007 03:16 PM         

Listens,

I share your concern that we ought to be careful not to let this stuff consume us and fill us with fear. But the notion that this is too scary to be true does not seem like a viable argument to me. It seems emotionally loaded and motivated by personal interest. Take a look at what went on in Germany between the years of 1937-42. What love and light could ever balance that out, let alone blot it out? The universe is what it is. I believe we need to find a balace between focusing on what is good and not closing our minds to what is not-so-good. Hiding our heads in the sand, or covering our eyes and expecting the threat to vanish is not the answer, in my opinion.

What good is "going within", if your own mind is being used as a medium by malevolent forces? What good is meditating and gaining access to the astral realms, if the astral realms are themselves ruled by malevolent forces? I think there are some forms of meditation that raise our vibrations without simultaneously grounding us, and i think this is dangerous, and leaves us even more spacey and open to external influences. Ms. Kane recommended an exercise of psychic protection that involves envisioning a forcefield of white light around herself, and really "psyching" herself up, and pumping up the forcefield. She said this protected her from at least one attack from a very powerful Reptillian. She says he told her she had "rare gifts", and never bothered her again. I do agree, at this time, that focusing on the Oneness, and on Love is a good idea, and straying too far from this is unlikely to lead you directly to the truth.

Peggy Kane said she was an adamant believer in New Age philosophies for a long time. She believed her thoughts create reality. Through her work, she was led to renounce these beliefs. Playing the tapes backwards, she seemed to hear exactly what she did NOT want to hear. She was perfectly happy believing that she was in contact with devas and elementals, and she fought to reject the things she seemed to be discovering. Doesn't sound paranoid to me. And she does not strike me as just another weak person, communicating with the lower astral realms. Rather, she tries hard to connect with higher beings, and, when she does interact with beings in the lower realms, it appears to be out of a sense of compassion for them (not self-interest), and not without making use of a method which very few other people use (i.e. reversing the tapes, in order to avoid being misled). But, I admit, I have difficulty hearing what she claims to hear in those reversed recordings.

Ms. Kane is not enlightened, to be sure, but the wear and tear on her face is no sign that she is speaking untruth. I'm almost positive that Gitanjali speaks a higher truth, but that doesnt mean what Ms. Kane focuses on is not true, although it may be destructive to look directly at for too long, like the heat fo the sun. The highest teachers do seem to exude peace and calm, but, on a level just beneath them, there seem to be a great many "firey prophets", and people deeply disturbed by what they are finding and feeling the need to speak out against. It is a delicate matter, I agree.

Having said that, I do not think Gitanjali would tell you to create anything with your thoughts. On the contrary, she would probably remind you of what is here, at all times, and cannot be created or destroyed. I think she would tell you to beware of anything that can be created. All that can be created can (and will) be destroyed. What goes up must come down. The "middle way" involves mindfulness, not of anything external, but, of the very fact that you are mindful. I think Gitanjali would not tell you that anything was too scary to be true, I think she would just tell you that, no matter how scary it is, there is something that remains undisturbed - and that is awareness itself. Identifying with awareness is the only solution. This is where Gitanjali's peace comes from. It is not because she desperately sought to manifest a vision of something other than what she saw, and to escape her present reality. Rather, she accepted her present reality, warts and all, and that is when the peace really began to take possession of her.

Osho and Nietzsche both expressed a desire that the world should become more chaotic, more disturbing, more full of suffering. Osho said fear would contribute to greater alertness (mindfulness), and Nietzsche based much of his thinking on the idea that "what doesnt kill me makes me stronger,".

Alex Collier suggests several reasons as to why the Arcadians and Pleiadians are not more involved in rescuing us. All of his reasons struck me as crumby. One of them was that it is "not their job to babysit us". How insensitive is it to refer to the act of rescuing unsuspecting humans from a warrior race of Lizards as "babysitting"? In any case, the Arcadians are supposedly helping to some extent by communicating through Collier, and Peggy Kane claims that the Pleiadians responded to her prayers for help and rescued a lot of souls from the lower astral realm in their spaceships.

She also says that "The One" (the only god-type-thing she continues to believe in) is sending the planet X into our galaxy, to disrupt the energy field erected by the Reptillians to cloak the 4th dimension (i.e. astral world), which will, she claims, cause them to abandon the earth and leave us in peace. She says she would not be able to sleep at night if she didnt believe in the coming of planet X.

posted July 10, 2007 03:29 PM         

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I don't think David Icke himself is breeding fear but I think some other people might be; like i said there are people who are too fragile for all of this incredibly heavy stuff and can easily lead to paranoia, especially if they are already a little fragile.

I do believe that we create by the energy of our thoughts. I have read that if someone puts enough thought or fear on something, they can actually create artificial kind of astral energies- thought forms. I also believe that nothing in the universe is stronger than the True Light of God.

I agree with you totally Lotus, when you say we should go within, but I don't think that this means we shouldn't be aware with what is going on the outside. We should be free to take our consciousness in whatever direction we desire, without forgetting to stay in touch with ourS-elf (as my quote from Einstein basically says).

I don't think you need to worry so much about what other people are thinking or believing. You can't change people, they only change when they are ready. What we can go is gently offer any wisdom we may have learned for ourselves, if people want to listen or not is up to them. We all have to evolve at our own pace.

It isn't enough for someone to come over and declare what they have learned from God, laying it down as the whole truth. Like you said, we all need to feel God's message for ourself, in our OWN hearts. And it doesn't matter what we call God, so long as we think of Him/Her as pure LOVE.

Just relax, let people be- they will find their own way in their own Time.....Allow people to each play their part in unraveling mysteries and searching for the pieces of the giant puzzle. Everyone has a part to play, a story to tell, a message to teach. We can also learn from each other's mistakes.

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“The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.” Albert Einstein

posted July 10, 2007 03:36 PM         

I'm not worried, each is at the level they need to be at, each has his/her responsiblity...

I have not stated you have to believe me, however nicely you wanted to twist things...

The Truth is the Truth, it will stand on its own. ...

We are all teachers to each other, I have said that many times,
ListensToTrees, you repeat alot of what I have written here in Lindaland, I thank you for that!

posted July 10, 2007 03:51 PM         

Truth is truth- it doesn't really matter which person channeled it.

I wasn't trying to twist things; not intentionally anyway. I'm not like that- but I can't force people to trust me; they can make their own minds up.

I'm just another observer within this dimension of limited consciousness in the flesh stuck within the layer/s of space and Time. I can only give my opinions which may be right or wrong but I promise everyOne that one thing I do try to always be is sincere.

Love and Light

posted July 10, 2007 03:59 PM         

We are responsible for what we post here..we should make sure we have enough affirmations from God, to know, that we are indeed responsible for sharing Truth, and making sure..we do not mis-Lead our brothers and sisters..it's a big responsiblity..

I take my post very seriously, much meditation and conversation with GOD, gets put into them..

In a bubble of white Light I travel, I have shared this many times here, it is a protective bubble, nothing can penetrate it, except of my Own WILL..travel straight to the top..do not let the lower planes grab your attention, you must learn from the top first, before you are strong enough for the lower dimensions, there are levels of Learning and Growing. ...

posted July 10, 2007 04:07 PM         

I'm just not buying the idea that the reptilians are everywhere because my mind says that this is a manifestation of paranoia. By focusing on negativity like this people are actually feeding negativity with their fear; whatever negative entities which do exist will be only too grateful. If we focus on Love and Light as much as we can, these negative entities won't be able to bother us. We are so much stronger!

I would take a lot of convincing if there really is anything in the reverse speech thing.

But I'm not saying my mind is closed.

Oh, one more thing- if most astral entities/ influences are reptilian, then David Icke may have been influenced by reptilians in the beginning to do all of this research; how can we trust him/ his research? If the entity gave the person a feeling of uneasiness rather than peace, surely it's agenda was questionable?

My mother, who is a Mormon, would agree that we shouldn't dabble in any of the astral things; she thinks they are the third of the host of heaven who were cast out because they chose to follow Satan! So she would probably support Peggy Kane!

posted July 10, 2007 04:12 PM         

One thing I can't get my head around is why we chose to come here, exactly? What is our purpose? What is it all for?

posted July 10, 2007 04:43 PM         

this Earth experience encompasses all facets, polarities, ALL is connected, the deepest and most profound expansion, Our human body Temple, connected to Our Soul in Heaven, we separated ourSelves, to feel, to learn all, there was to learn..yet we always yearn for that Peace and LOve, of the Oneness with GOD..

This is the World of Illusion..said the Tibetan Monks...

we made choice, once we deicided to have the Earth experience we were bound to it, for it's entire cycle, until Mastership, or you will be bound to the next, Earth experience..

when we realize, that our true being is a Soul..we would learn to live much better on this Earth in Soul Form, Death of the body temple would just be a moving of spirit, not an end, but a new adventure..
we wouldn't choose, to allow this world to be so harsh, we would know, and realize that true connection, of all being children of God..

There are other worlds, other experiences..or just the existence of a whole Soul Form..in Heaven/Space..

I hope that we all Unite across the World..connect to OverSouls, and bring
Heaven on Earth..a Golden Age..of Learning
and Growing in understanding of our True Nature..how we must appreciate this beautiful world we created, how we should treat all with reverence, and equality, excluding no One..

Imagine 1,000 years, of Earth School in Balance..coming to a New Dawn of Understanding, through LOVE. ...

Healing this Earth, and Creating the Paradise
we have so longed seeked, in this form, onto knowing our True Form..acceptance of the connection to ALL, for the Good of ALL...

Where in this Universe and all others, is there such a place as Earth, what have we done to our BEaUtiful Self-Sustaining Planet?

The feeling, of holding your new-born..
The feeling of a Kiss from your LOve..
The Earth Magic, that is all around US, is a part of US, that we have neglected..

ALL for One, and One for ALL...

posted July 10, 2007 06:05 PM         

So...We are here for expansion and growth? This is the part I find difficult to get my head around. I do need to find a way to get my head around why we would need to create a reality which has so much corruption and cruelty... I know I'm not as good at connecting to God as I used to be...I need to learn a way to tap into the transcendental meditation which is union with God (I just read this really cool chapter of Autobiography of a Yogi, chapter 7 where the levitating saint says 'One must not mistake the technique for the goal')

I'm not even sure that God wants to tell us everything; we came here to experience what life would be like to think for ourselves. Often I pray, I have found that for some reason the answers have been postponed. It has caused me to practice searching and thinking for myself- really working hard.

As long as we don't lose our innocence, as long as we can understand some of the poetry in LIFE; in nature....that all life is connected; made from a song...Then I think, we'll be OK.

posted July 10, 2007 08:22 PM         

the corruptness, happened from our actions under the Universal God Laws, Karma, we get what we give..so anything and everything on
this earth was created because of our actions..
it does not have to be this way, but this is what we created, and what we must deal with..

Time to set-up some Good Vibrations!
Bring Harmony and balance..
to this pole shift that is occuring, and causing climate change..otherwise we are in for a big polar shift, one that will change everything for Us. ...

posted July 10, 2007 11:56 PM         

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Yes, reptilians are there..what does this mean..they are collective memories, from another time, and dimension, into this one..
Now, how is it actually today? After going within and talking to MOther and Father God, I can share what has been shone..

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Collective memories? From another time? Going back to this existence--it's all the same. You say, "Now, how is it actually today?" This is actually going on today! We're not the only one's here, Lotus!

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Now, some of these sects practice human sacrifice to a false GOD..Just as the Mayan's did..were the Mayan's reptilians, yes, they were ancestors of them..and they disappeared for a reason..their karma, their wrong doing..you get what you give..the life they took from others, was taken from them...

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Mayans Reptilians?? they were ancestors of them...? Can you elaborate on this? I want to make sure I'm understanding you.
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"and they disappeared for a reason"
Not disappeared, still here! Nothing to do with Karma there! Go back and research!

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Instead of wasting your time on all this junk, meditate, pray to God, desire to really know GOD, and you shall..Seek the Truth, and the Truth shall set you FREE, know ThySelf..don't be fooled..

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It's not junk, there's no need to fear by reading about it! The rest you said sounds more like preaching to me. And there's no fooling-- the only one that can fool you is you.

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Fear breeds Fear, that is what David Icke is doing, breeding Fear in shape-shifting reptilians, the mind can be made to believe anything, when there is weakness, and where God does not live, there is a spark within you, to bring God alive within you..feed that flame of LOve and Light..Connect..to the ALL..

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posted July 11, 2007 12:04 AM         

for today, they are intergrated, they could be you, or me. ...

these memories are from a long time ago..we are all humans and equal, NOW... .

yes, we did have another race enter here from another dimension, and many others..

Evil, just is, and Now Evil, is Us, unless we know GOD. . .

and no need to get your fruit of the Glooms in a bunch, okay, we are just discussing

posted July 11, 2007 12:42 AM         

Proof... ok, proof of Mother and Father, I want to see them! You see...

You are a Reptilian... hahaha:

posted July 11, 2007 12:45 AM         

You can SEE MOther and Father, just ask, and you shall receive, with pureness of Heart and for the Good of ALL...

You will SEE them, I promise!