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posted July 04, 2007 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message


The first is the introduction and then the interview. The staggering story of human sacrifice and Satanic ritual. Discusses Princess Diana and Jon Bennet Ramsey and how their deaths were a cause of a ritual.

Here's the video again. Thanks, Listens To Trees for finding it again:

David Icke Interviews Arizona Wilder on his film "Revelations of a Mother Goddess"


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Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year....
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost

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posted July 05, 2007 04:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
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Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year....
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost

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posted July 05, 2007 04:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message

I watched the whole thing straight through! I couldn't get my eyes off it! Wow. Either this is an extremely elaborate fantasy, or there is something in it. Just lately, I have become obsessed with the contemplation of yin and yang; duality- in our world, and why would we come here, to Earth, in the flesh to experience pain, etc if where we truly belong is a place of pure Love? So when I just took a glimpse at his website, I was definetly intrigued. I believe this world IS a savage garden, when we really, deeply think about it....a mixture of darkness and light, but at the end of the day the basis of life here is centered around the idea that to live we must kill other beings for food and that life is competing....competing is not something that interests me. http://www.davidicke.com/index.php/

So, why are we here, on Earth......Is there a reason or was it just for fun? Is there any reason for us to be here? Rescue?

"the ageless melody, unheard, heals......the healing vision, unseen leads......the true leaders, unknown rescue....the rescuers, immortal, know....-Linda Goodman"

Hmmmm.....

Thanks, Silverstone

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posted July 05, 2007 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
I've just edited that post....I thought the videos sounded like just sinister fiction at first so I wasn't going to watch them.....however, once I started I couldn't stop!

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WOW!!!! In this interview David Icke discusses EVERYTHING I have been thinking about recently.
http://www.karmapolis.be/pipeline/interview_icke_uk.htm

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The most compelling objection anyone can make to Icke's claims, it seems to me, is that Icke himself is still making them. If his claims are true, wouldn't Icke be dead? Why would the Illuminati permit this man to speak out against them? Clearly, if what he says is true, and if he is still saying it, it is because they permit him to do so. If they have the power to manipulate international affairs, then, killing a man like Icke would be child's play for them. So, why is Icke allowed to speak? Has he addressed this question?

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Perhaps influences from the higher vibrational frequencies (the frequencies of LOVE)
allow him to tell and protect him for this purpose?

In any case, there are some extremely fascinating ideas here...about everything...I am going to have to delve into this some more....besides that, just look for ways to decide for 'myS-elf'.

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posted July 05, 2007 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Okay, so, I watched all of them.


It's now been over 7 years, and, so far,
there is no centralized global government,
nor has the lid been blown off the Illuminati.
These are the two things Icke claimed will have happened by now.

Has anyone been keeping up with this stuff?

What is Icke saying NOW?


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I've been hooked on watching David Icke stuff all day now!

He is a fascinating man but it would be really nice if these cold and completely sadistic reptilian beings were not real! It makes the world look so much 'darker' than I know it already is......

Who knows?

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posted July 05, 2007 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
Hello Listens To Trees and Heart-Shaped Cross…

I am glad you like the film, Listens To Trees… I purchased the DVD almost 2 years ago; I was surprised to see it in you tube.com…

I don’t necessarily agree with the entire information presented, but I do agree with much of it. I think with this type of information, one has to see and/or experience in order to believe. This is shaky stuff and definitely way out there!

I was first introduced to the Reptilian theory years ago when I met a Scientist… he is now a professional writer and a retired college professor… also, expert in the esoteric sciences. Highly educated about reptilians, vortexes, UFO, Astral Traveling, Crystal healing, Plants. I later realized he was an evil psycho!

I later went on my own research. David Icke is highly educated about the information he presents. However, I am not in complete agreement with all of his theories. For instance, I don’t buy the Jesus myth theory that he never existed…

Ok, but back to the video. I do think that Icke is correct in that this 3-dimensional world that we appear to live in is only one frequency- one dimension of existence -we have a frequency range which we can perceive… but outside that range there are other frequencies, other dimensions of existence in life that are sharing the same space that we are.

He says that the closest dimension to ours is the 4th dimension—a reptilian race; from this 4th dimension is the source or one of the key sources of the manipulation of this world… extraterrestrial race interbred with humanity creating hybrid bloodlines and when doing genealogical research one finds that it’s this human reptile-hybrid bloodlines that actually occupy today and have occupied for the last few thousand years the high positions of power.

I don’t necessarily think that’s all true and that “all” people in high positions of power are evil… but the latter, yes.

I think it was Mystic Melody and Hexxie who also brought this subject some time ago and are quite well informed about this.

Listens To Trees… I also forgot to mention that there’s a magical spark to your posts here in LL; I’ve been wanting to tell you that

HSC~

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If his claims are true, wouldn't Icke be dead? Why would the Illuminati permit this man to speak out against them? Clearly, if what he says is true, and if he is still saying it, it is because they permit him to do so. If they have the power to manipulate international affairs, then, killing a man like Icke would be child's play for them. So, why is Icke allowed to speak? Has he addressed this question?

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Perhaps influences from the higher vibrational frequencies (the frequencies of LOVE)
allow him to tell and protect him for this purpose?

Exactly, LTT. He also has a friend who is a Shaman


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Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year....
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost

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Also, notice how in the interview Arizona mentions Jon Bennet Ramsey and how she was part of a ritual… I actually brought a thread up some time ago about this, “The sins of the fathers (mother and father, of course)” but didn’t want to focus the attention specifically on this matter as I didn’t think many would understand… but since the video brought this up… sometimes to belong to a cult or when a dark ritual is done on someone, because one opens up doors, there’s always a price to pay… one has to sacrifice… Jon Bennet Ramsey was the price. I feel her family was very much involved and their daughter was the sacrifice… Also, sometimes the children will inherit much of their parents’ darkness.

They also mentioned Princess Diana’s death. Died August 31, mirror image of 13 making a connection to the Goddess, Hecate… the 13th pillar… a ritual death and taking her soul.

Ok, just my rants…


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Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year....
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost

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Diana was also not buried in a local church where she wanted. She was buried in an island among the trees in a lake at Althorp Park. Four black swans swim in the lake symbolizing 4 directions, 4 seasons; sealing something for all eternity, which according to David Icke and Arizona Wilder this symboloizes the Goddess, Hecate: Black flame or black star.

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Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year....
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost

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Thank you, Silverstone. Since I came by this thread I have also been watching a few other online films about him. "David Icke- was he right?" and "The Robot's Rebellion"- a speech.

It's strange because in 1994, when I was 14, some big 'waves' were hitting me on a conscious and unconscious level. Many thoughts I had going round and round in my head (which started years before this time) were coming together, to a point.......the pressures I was experiencing at the Time along with the relentless spinning discs of thought in my mind....were overwhelming. It was during this Time where I was experiencing great pressure at home, at school and later out of school too (nasty violent girl gangs).

I had discovered that the religion I had zealously/ passionately became a part of at the age of 13 was no longer for me.....it was a personal FEELING inside from something I felt one day, whilst at one of their important places. The pressure I had to endure from my family members (who hadn't raised me in it but had reconverted)- was IMMENSE.

All these things happening to me at once (as well as these 'spinning discs' of thought I mentioned) was too much for me to bear. So, for some Time I withdrew from the world, into myself. I had to search inside. I have always been close to nature and more sensitive than most...

Perhaps this is why SO MUCH of what David Icke was talking about HAD ALREADY been knocking around in my mind! Well, I questioned everything. Why people think the way they do, why they perceive the norm as the norm when it might not be to others, what would it be like to attain the next level of consciousness if what we have is limited, just as it is for every species in the planet experiencing it's own trip through the chemistry of the vehicle of their bodies...driven by the soul...the soul in amnesia...Why, why did I feel, somehow not at home in this world, why did my soul feel...KNOW....there must be MORE- more to life than all of this?! It's difficult to fully explain with the limitations of the word without reading between the lines. Telepathic empathy is the pure form of communication!

Well, I don't know if there really are wicked Lizard, non-human races ruling the world...I strongly doubt it (even though Arizona seems SO sincere)...BUT, how about we look at it this way:

Ok. It's WEIRED and it's down-right far-fetched. However, does this, in any way, PROVE that these things are WRONG?

NO! It does NOT!

I think it just needs more investigation. I'll keep my eyes open. I can get carried away by stuff with my 12th house Neptune and Moon/Pluto emotions (not that astrology really matters, lol)...but I'm learning to let my Capricorn ascendant temper my emotions and feelings...a little

Reptile beings or no reptile beings... DAvid Icke is FASCINATING and I love his philosophy on spirituality and life

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Come away, O human child!
To the waters and the wild
With a faery, hand in hand,
For the world's more full of weeping than you can understand. -W.B.Yeats

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A friend of mine first approached me for my opinion on Icke's theories several years ago. I was not familiar with them, so she briefly informed me that his theories involved the allegation that certain highly placed politicians are, in fact, lizards, and have been allegedly witnessed in the act of morphing into and out of lizard form. My response to her was terse, and seemed to cut through a lot of confusion. I said, "What difference does it make? If it walks like a lizard, talks and acts like a lizard - in short, if its a cold-blooded son-of-a-b!tch - then what difference does it make if it is or is not an actual lizard?" It seems to me that what these people are doing - I mean, what is more or less plain to see, - is deplorable enough, and we have more than enough good reason to depose them without resorting to the "lizard" defense. In fact, as far as I can see it at this time, by focussing on the lizard thing, we make two unconscious mistakes. First, we suggest that their public crimes are not bad enough to warrant their deposal, and we must search farther afield for a valid reason to depose them. Second, we propose a theory which is, by all common standards, extremely far-fetched, and liable to relegate our claims to the margins and dustbins of society, so that very few people take us seriously, and, no matter how many eccentric thinkers we do get on our side, the establishment will never (or, not any time soon) be inclined to accept our testimony.

Someone said, "we must pick battles big enough to matter, but small enough to be won". We live now in a time in which a man like Ralph Nader cannot get elected to office, despite speaking on a platform of self-evident truths about brotherhood, community, and our common responsibility to one another, simply as human beings, and to the earth, simply as inhabitants thereof. If the world (or America, at least) is not ready to accept such basic truths, from an established political presence like Ralph Nader, what on earth makes anyone think that the world is ready to accept an eccentric like Icke, and his claims of Reptillian invasion?

Common sense (which is wrongly deemed common) suggests to me that, even if I knew for a fact that Icke was absolutely right about the Reptillians, one of the most harmful things I could do to his cause would be to join it. There is a reason why esoteric truths have been kept secret for thousands of years. If everyone who knew the truth were to speak more than a piece of it, not even the piece would be accepted. Average people, who are not ready to hear more than a piece of the truth, would reject even that piece, if you tried to offer them more than they can chew. I understand wanting to tell the truth, the WHOLE truth, and nothing but the truth. But I also know that the man who speaks the whole truth creates a void of wilderness around himself, and his voice is heard by no one, or, at best, by very few. So, I believe it is better to keep some things secret, until people are ready to deal with them. As Neitzsche wrote, "[A cause is most often undone, not by its enemies, but by its most zealous members.]" Icke is a zealot, in my opinion. He wants to crack the BIG case, in a world where the media is controlled by the enemy, and even the lesser case is having trouble breaking the news. Align yourself with Icke, and you are automatically discredited in the eyes of 95% of the world, and everything you have to say becomes dust in the wind.

This is reality. These are the boundaries in which we have to operate. Whether we like it or not, we cannot go around shouting, "It's the Invasion of the Lizard People!!!"

I would wager that, if Icke is still alive and allowed to speak, it has less to do with his shamanic helpers, and more to do with the fact that the powers that be realize that he does more harm to his cause than good, and that the vast majority of the world, if they ever even manage to hear his claims, will only laugh and turn a deaf ear to everything he has to say. You don't make a claim like that, and then expect people to look at the evidence. You present the evidence, impartially (or, at least, while appearing impartial), and, little by little, step by step, piling on more and more evidence, you let people form their own conclusions. If Icke came along and said, "I have observed a very peculiar phenomenon, of people claiming extremely outlandish things, and of a puzzling abundance of evidence offered in support of those claims, and I just thought I would report on this phenomenon. I have come to no conclusions myself, and I can only say that, at best, the evidence strongly points to a conclusion which challenges the very roots and foundations of my belief systems, but I am, as yet, unable to find an alternative explaination," he would have a lot more readers. Or, at least, his readers would be people closer to the mainstream, people in a position to alter the social current, and not just a cross-section of new age conspiracy theorists, sensationalists, and highly exceptional free-thinkers. If anyone is going to bring Arizona Wilder's story wide attention it is not going to be a man who openly agrees with everything she says, but a seemingly impartial reporter, someone with the gift of diplomatic slight-of-hand necessary to place something this out-there in the mainstream arena.

Incidentally, a very close friend of mine worked intimately with DID patients for years, and she can tell you all about manufactured memories, and how it is possible to remember, vividly and in-detail, events which never took place. Supposing Icke's theories ever became mainstream news, the first reaction would be some specialist on DID speaking up and saying that such "memories" are manufactured by the subconscious mind all the time. Then they would show a clip of that movie, "A Beautiful Mind", and talk about how that guy created an entire alternate life involving espionage, etc., none of which was real. That would satisfy the sound-bite addicted popular culture, and the entire story would disappear for at least another ten years.

That's the bottom line.

In the meantime, Icke will continue to make millions off of the fringe market he has cornered with this stuff, and his impact on the powers that be will remain minimal, at best. So, to sum up my position on this, "What difference does it make if they are Reptiles, etc.? - None. What do we have to gain by promoting this theory? - Nothing. What do we have to lose? - Everything."



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I totally agree with this part:
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There is a reason why esoteric truths have been kept secret for thousands of years. If everyone who knew the truth were to speak more than a piece of it, not even the piece would be accepted. Average people, who are not ready to hear more than a piece of the truth, would reject even that piece, if you tried to offer them more than they can chew.

As for the question of whether or not it makes any difference if they are lizards....I DO see your point....their crimes are certainly bad enough whether they are cold-blooded beings or warm-blooded.....The only thing I would say to this viewpoint, however, is that it does make a difference, it certainly does.....if they really are abusing children

However, like you said, the world is not ready for this information yet.


But COULD WE be wrong in our opinions? What if there are other things which we cannot see in the bigger picture?

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Reptilian looking entities found in Iraq - 5,000-4,500 BC.

Sumerian Gods
http://www.crystalinks.com/ufohistory.html

An even more interesting link: http://www.crystalinks.com/reptilians.html
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With a faery, hand in hand,
For the world's more full of weeping than you can understand. -W.B.Yeats

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if they really are abusing children

Millions of children are being starved to death all over the world
on account of the policies of these cold-blooded types.


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But COULD WE be wrong in our opinions? What if there are other things which we cannot see in the bigger picture?

We can always be wrong, and new information can always come to light. But we must work with what we know, and accept the consequences. Living according to present knowledge does not mean we are excluding alternative viewpoints, it just means we exclude whatever does not take our own present knowledge into account. For instance, lets say we believed the world was flat... A new theory, to take the place of this present one, cannot say, "Not only is the world flat, but, it does not even appear flat from where we are standing,". That view would be "right out". We could dismiss it out of hand. But, a new theory might come along and say, "Yes the world appears flat from one perspective, but, from a wider perspective, we see that the world is actually round, or, spherical, to be precise." This would be acceptable.

Reptillian Gods

There are gods resembling all sorts of animals. Where is the invasion of the birdmen? What about the bearmen, the catmen, the wolfmen, the elephantmen? If reptillian gods are more widespread, might it not be that these creatures are indigenous to almost every area of the world??? A good question would be, why were serpents, lizards, and dragons considered malefic in the West and benefic in the East? Why do they represent the life-cycle in some places, wisdom in others, and power in still other places? Also, when Icke refers to the "serpent power" spoken of by Hindus, he is wrong to think that this applies to the power of a hypnotic gaze, or whatever he associated it with. It has to do with the kundalini energy that coils along the spine, connecting the chakras.


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A good question would be, why were serpents, lizards, and dragons considered malefic in the West and benefic in the East?

Icke himself said that not all reptilian beings were wicked...there were some who are working as light workers too...he also said that we shouldn't demonize the reptilian race for they are only a part of the Uni-verse expressing itself...expressing the IMBALANCE through the living beings here on Earth and probably on other planets too.

But yes, overall I agree with your thoughts, HSC.

Gosh, all of this has inspired/ motivated me to finally delve into the vast catalogue of information on crystalinks. It seems to have the answers...or articles...relating to all of the questions I have been asking- I think it is time to take my imbalanced attention span there! Lol- my attention span is either too lazy to concentrate or wants to focus on something completely, intensely and almost obsessively! But first it needs a good reason to motivate it to get off its butt.

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Come away, O human child!
To the waters and the wild
With a faery, hand in hand,
For the world's more full of weeping than you can understand. -W.B.Yeats

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HSC... I agree with most of what you wrote, again that's just logic! I don't think most people want to believe in reptile people

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In the meantime, Icke will continue to make millions off of the fringe market he has cornered with this stuff,

True, and the same can be said about other famous writers. Linda, for instance, made a fortune herself.

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I would wager that, if Icke is still alive and allowed to speak, it has less to do with his shamanic helpers, and more to do with the fact that the powers that be realize that he does more harm to his cause than good

I don't think that's necessarily true. He may have his information out there, but that doesn't mean that everyone is going to believe him.

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But I also know that the man who speaks the whole truth creates a void of wilderness around himself, and his voice is heard by no one, or, at best, by very few. So, I believe it is better to keep some things secret, until people are ready to deal with them.

Exactly. Which brings me back to what I said: "I think with this type of information, one has to see and/or experience in order to believe." Reading and hearing about this is completely different than seeing! And, also, while I don't agree with "all" of his information, I do feel his closer to truth than most!

I'll be back... going to L.A.

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Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year....
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost

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posted July 06, 2007 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
Listen To Trees...

I have some of his books, which are on-line. If you like, I can e-mail you a copy! I can also forward it to Randall to forward to you.

Cheers!

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Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year....
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost

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Silverstone, you are so kind

Have you any e-books of his where he goes into depth about the meaning of life and mysteries of the Uni-verse?

I don't get very much Time to read and I have just become interested in studying the Crystalinks. I have a lot of books I have bought but not read! Therefor, when you get the spare time I would be very grateful, but there isn't any rush or anything. My email address is (edit).
You can save it if you like- I usually go back and edit my email address if I put it up temporarily.

Love & Light

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Whether he has made a lot of money or not, I don't think Icke chose to do what he is doing for money or fun. I feel it has been extremely difficult for him and he really believes in what he is doing...sane or insane.
What is sanity? Sanity is defined by the perception of what others (ie, MOST people, as defined by numbers) define as 'reality'.

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posted July 06, 2007 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message

I just watched a couple more videos...saw episode 3 of 'the illuminti' with David Icke about the disgusting skull & bones society...then I watched this short video 'illuminati signs at starbucks'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxXM65-RplA

I now feel that there really is something in all of this. Yuck to the deception of the world and to the abuse of all Her creatures

It makes so much sense now. I mean, these people in power pretend to be Christian...Well then why all the secrecy and why the hell are all these symbols everywhere?

Here is another (recent) video which backs up the idea that Icke and others believe about the extremity of the corruption of those in power. The U.S. sold aids laced Bayer products knowingly which killed children.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS3mhjt7TrY

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Come away, O human child!
To the waters and the wild
With a faery, hand in hand,
For the world's more full of weeping than you can understand. -W.B.Yeats

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posted July 06, 2007 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
An ancient ship
Decks creaking
On the calm, sunny sea

Crewed by men
With Corrupted souls
And hardened hearts

And yet....
A diamond in the dirt
An angel amongst
the darkness

A stolen boy

His eyes were clear and pure
And light shone through him
In one Timeless moment

I felt I knew him

I screamed inside
The depths of my soul
Helpless to help him

Separated, by Time and Fate

Drowning from yearning
Fevered I'm burning
In sadness
And longing

But it is just a dream,
It was just a dream

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posted July 06, 2007 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
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HSC... I agree with most of what you wrote, again that's just logic!

Tell that to David Icke. Logic is rare.
I wouldnt trace it all out like that if it weren't.
I'm curious to know what you disagreed with.


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I don't think most people want to believe in reptile people.

Not sure if you are just stating your opinion, or misreading me here.
I didnt say anything about what people want to believe,
I spoke only about what people are capable of opening their minds to.
I agree, the fear element is discouraging to that openning,
but I think just the humanoid shape-shifter stuff is enough of a hurtle for most people.
People who are open to that stuff arent generally closed on account of fear.


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True, and the same can be said about other famous writers. Linda, for instance, made a fortune herself.

I was not suggesting that Icke's motive was monetary, or that there is anything wrong with being successful. I'm just pointing out what he is accomplishing, after speaking at length about how I believe he is thwarting his stated intention. Linda wrote about astrology, something slightly more mainstream, and she was not on a desperate mission to avert the impending new world order. I think Icke is an interesting character, and a lot of his work intrigues me. The world needs voices like his, and I guess it just frustrates me to see him alienate himself unnecessarily from a wider audience.


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I would wager that, if Icke is still alive and allowed to speak, it has less to do with his shamanic helpers, and more to do with the fact that the powers that be realize that he does more harm to his cause than good
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I don't think that's necessarily true. He may have his information out there, but that doesn't mean that everyone is going to believe him.

I think you misunderstood me.
I am saying that people are specifically NOT going to believe him,
on account of the information, true or false, that he is putting out there.
That is the harm he is doing to his cause,
and the reason he is not to be greatly feared by the powers that be.


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But I also know that the man who speaks the whole truth creates a void of wilderness around himself, and his voice is heard by no one, or, at best, by very few. So, I believe it is better to keep some things secret, until people are ready to deal with them.
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Exactly. Which brings me back to what I said: "think with this type of information, one has to see and/or experience in order to believe." Reading and hearing about this is completely different than seeing! And, also, while I don't agree with "all" of his information, I do feel his closer to truth than most!

Clearly, not everyone has to see and/or experience this stuff to believe. Has Icke himself seen or experienced the things he is reporting on? He seems to have quite a following and I'm sure many of those people believe without seeing. I think you under-estimate how open-minded some people are, and how utterly gullible many more others are. People can believe anything, if it is introduced the right way. Most people will believe anything provided you either tell it to them when they are young enough, with enough assurance, or provided they find themselves in a culture in which the belief is popularly held. The vast majority of people are operating from a herd mentality and they will believe anything provided it is popular to do so. When you think about it, there is nothing in the established dogma of the Christian Church which is more out-there than reptillian secret societies. On the contrary, certain propositions of the Church run directly contrary to reason and experience, and this has not resulted in widespread incredulity. On the contrary, nearly everyone who is a believer in Church doctrine has NOT seen an angel, or a demon, or a glass of water turn into a glass of wine, or a virgin birth, or a ressurrection.


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I'll be back... going to L.A.

Have fun!

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