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Topic: Ripple In Still Water
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fayte.m
Knowflake Posts: 8450
From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted October 10, 2007 10:17 PM
 
Dulce Luna said: quote:
For the last time, I am not taking sides and I do not think your a terrible person.
Thank you.  quote:
I'm just tired of people not wanting for anyone to persecute them or take offense but think its okay to do Christian/religious bashing.
I am not Christian Bashing. That thread I begain I felt it necessary to put in a clear abeit very harsh to some viewpoints...warning/disclaimer of its contents and purpose. I did that because for over 2 years now I have tried many times to speak out about my concepts, dreams, theories, visions, and so forth. Too many times folks came in with all guns blazing to shred me. These were unfortunately those of a zealot style of Christian mindset I do refer to at times as rabid. I have deleted/edited so many posts I have long lost count. Why? Because I gave a theory or concept others did not like because it was not what they personally believed and fights would have ensued had I left my posts. I am tired of being stifled. For the most part the only folks who are against my stating my theories have been Christian, not all, but unfortunately most. I did not single them out...they singled me out. Yes....as TINK said on the Religion thread I started, to paraphrase her, "most Christians at LL are an openminded lot!"  But a few have given me more trouble than was justified simply for expressing my theories and what I do not believe is true. That is why I finally decided to begin a thread with a warning to those it may possibly offend. I do not want it to turn into a holy war there. quote:
My rant was never really at you personally but more at what I've seen and experienced this past month (including a not-so-pleasant experience with an anti-religious zealot last month when I merely challenged him).
I would love to see the thread or posts you speak of.
If you are uncomfortable posting it here please e-mail Zala at the FFA and give her the posts and links and she will forward the information to me. I do have an open and tolerant mind Dulce. That is why I very much wish to see where you had a bad encounter with someone of an anti-religious bend.
Basically a bigot or a zealot is so no matter what religion or not religion they subscribe to. It is not restricted to Christians only.
And you are welcome on my thread.
Anyone is as long as they behave themselves.  ------------------
"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
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Solane Star
Knowflake Posts: 4008
From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 10, 2007 10:19 PM
Dulce Luna it's O.K to post and say anything you what my dear, on such matters, because Fayte sure does have her way with praising others when they come along in her behalf, weither they been here 2days, 6 months or 5yrs it really don't matter. It's also doesn't matter if they have all the history here or not, because she still takes it anyway she can and to her adventage. She should get a big round of applause for her great performance, don't you think?I would have to say that this is really all started when she got a unknown member to leave LL with this kind of behaviour (SHOW) that she's performing quite well I might add!!! She's just stirring the pot and trying to make it look like everything she does is O.K and she's the Victim again and were all to blame, make us out to look like the bad guys and just maybe we'll get banned or leave LL to all her devices. LOL!!! What ever Fayte, your so freaking Transparent!!! What a freaking joke this all is!!! Sad too!!! Really Sad!!! Your allowed to say what ever you feel Dulce Luna, I give you alot of credit for even coming into the Danger Zone!!! LOL!!!  For Fayte!!! IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
Knowflake Posts: 10155
From: Pleasanton, CA, USA
Registered: May 2005
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posted October 10, 2007 10:25 PM
[In response to BR's post]
For awhile it was the use of punctuation, too. Remember the multiple exclamation points and question marks back in the day?Another thing is the smileys. The first post is supposely not an attack, but there's the non-neutral black star in the yellow circle starting things off. If it's an innocent inquiry, the default smiley will suffice. Something prompted the use of that star. Usually people use it to indicate that they're trying to convey some very important point. Then there's the thumbs down in the second sentence. Nothing [at LL] says I disagree with you better than the thumbs down. Taking the time to say it in pictures does generally signal that the poster is passionate about it. That passion is read as passion, and since the picture is negative, the passion is also considered negative. Ending the post with the rolleyes signifies a general dismissal of everything in the post you are responding to. Conveying a dismissive attitude will lead others to believe you have no respect for the person's post. The onus is always on the writer to adequately convey him or herself. If it's not done adequately, the reader is not the one to blame for the misunderstanding. IP: Logged |
Solane Star
Knowflake Posts: 4008
From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 10, 2007 10:30 PM
Just making sure your getting your side in again, is so important to you Fatye, we know, so you can twist it around and around!!! LOL!!!IP: Logged |
Solane Star
Knowflake Posts: 4008
From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 10, 2007 10:32 PM
Come to my side, for I have all the answers you need!!! Fayte!!! LOL!!! Old Wise One!!!IP: Logged |
Solane Star
Knowflake Posts: 4008
From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 10, 2007 10:51 PM
Everyone is always picking on Fayte, she does no wrong, we stalk her, we blame her, we bash her, we're always rude to her. we attack her, Oh the list of crap goes on & on for years now.She has no ownership of her own crap here, it's O.K to blame the whole world if you let her, so tired of hearing it also. This approach is so running out big time and people are starting to tire fast again Fayte!!! IP: Logged |
Solane Star
Knowflake Posts: 4008
From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 10, 2007 10:55 PM
Why don't you come up with something NEW????
How's this all been working for you so far, you making good headway or what???
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fayte.m
Knowflake Posts: 8450
From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted October 10, 2007 11:12 PM
BlueRoamer said: quote:
You raise good points about perception Fayte, and I agree.I think the tone I'm referring to has to do with short punchy sentences, which to me seem a bit "curt."
Ah, I understand, but why beat around the bush? I am slowly learning to be more tactful. It is hard because too much tact becomes pussy footing, mincing words and soon can became an outright lie if one is not careful. There is a fine line between tact and lying. quote:
Bolded text makes me think of a raised voice. But again this is just your posting style, and it is probably not your intention to be curt.
Not curt, just emphatic. If it comes across rude I am sorry. When I am being intentionally rude(with good reason) I try to be clear about that too, up to even using my kitty or baby to make my point...
 
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I may be the only one who perceives it this way.
Nah...heard it before, that is why I have been working on tact..still learning... quote:
I think you are just getting your truth across in the way that you find most efficient for you.
Often it is just thought put out, not intending to offend but forgetting how it might appear to others who use flowery ways of saying things. Again they are used to their flowery style and then they assume...:that bluntness and to the point is rude...Why? Because for "them personally", bluntness is only used by them to express rage or rudeness. So they "assume" I use it the same way. quote:
I know scorpios are known for laying the truth out in a blunt or even devastating way, and I appreciate this quality in them.
I am really not that much of a Scorpio in many ways. I will explain that at another time. Too complicated for here.
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There is way too much sunishine being blown up our tuckus'. In this society if someone asks you how you're doing, and you say, "crappy," they give you a funny look and clearly don't want to hear about it. Then why on earth did you ask? It's just formality thats why.
See what I meant earlier? I am not like most folks. When I ask how someone is doing I want to get the complete laundry list. Why ask if you do not mean it? I have had many folks just break down and cry when they realize I really do want to know. quote:
The people who "succeed" (in the american sense) in life are people who are really good at small talk and being schmoozy. I think this is fake.
Yep...that sure does seem to be how it is. And if so much of society were not being fake nice, maybe we all would eventually learn to trust each other. I mean with all the schmoozy fake nice how can one tell who is a fake and who is for real? ------------------
"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
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Solane Star
Knowflake Posts: 4008
From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 10, 2007 11:19 PM
Oops, forgot one, we're all lair's too!!!Thanks for reminding me Fayte!!! IP: Logged |
Solane Star
Knowflake Posts: 4008
From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 10, 2007 11:25 PM
 Would this be more politically correct for you!!!IP: Logged |
Solane Star
Knowflake Posts: 4008
From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 10, 2007 11:33 PM
I don't think you will ever have to worry about me getting all schmoozy, schmoozy with you!!! LOL!!!Only goes to the ones that know how to schmoozy, schmoozy back with me!!! IP: Logged |
TINK
Knowflake Posts: 3506
From: New England
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted October 10, 2007 11:36 PM
no takers, huh?  IP: Logged |
Solane Star
Knowflake Posts: 4008
From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 10, 2007 11:40 PM
What does schmoozing sound like to you? Maybe it sounds smug, unctuous, oily, slimy. It sounds, quite frankly, like 'oozing.' Schmoozing is far from slimy, but 'oozing' actually isn't a bad description of what a schmoozer does. A schmoozer slides into opportunities where none are apparent, developing friendships from the slightest of acquaintances. Through formless, oozy, schmoozy action, a schmoozer moves slowly but inexorably towards his or her goals.
What is schmoozing? Schmoozing is noticing people, connecting with them, keeping in touch with them -- and benefiting from relationships with them. Schmoozing is about connecting with people in a mutually productive and pleasurable way -- a skill that has taken on new importance in our fragmented, harried, fiber-optic-laced world. Schmoozing is the development of a support system, a web of people you know who you can call, and who can call you, for your mutual benefit and enjoyment. Schmoozing is the art of semi-purposeful conversation: half chatter, half exploration. Schmoozing is neither project nor process. It's a way of life. Too the Schmoozing People!!! 
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Mannu
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posted October 11, 2007 12:28 AM
AG, You are a wise man. Hope you are not being testy with me I am honestly trying to recall the context of that post from FFA and what is it that you seek. I am also hoping you understand that my context of the reply was meant for Mirandee and NAM. I never used the words "children must listen". Perhaps it was implied because the previous statement was "adults do not listen." Is that what struck you and you want to correct me? Firstly as your earlier post implied, language is not just semantic or phonetic. It goes much beyond that.
Its open to interpretations by different groups of people.
You know music don't you? When you play do u play for your audience or you play for yourself? Did u ever get "A manager walking to u and saying , that customer of mine didn't like what u played".
And then u wonder why? Happens all the time isn't it?
Where as if u did know what kind of person the other was - his tastes etc...u will play the music that will make him happy.
You see we adults constantly think to ourselves all the time. We correlate with the world based on thoughts entering our brain. If u show them a picture, like the one that u posted before. They will concentrate on the flower and when that pink flower is taken , they will cry.
We adults (myself included) strain our eyes to see and ears to listen. In classrooms we are told by teacher to pay attention. When we look at teacher the whole time, he thinks we are paying attention and gives us good grades ..hehehe...
A child does not have that fear to strain his eyes/ears. They are so full of innocence. So full of less thoughts that they wait for sun light to fall on their eyes. They let music fall on their ears and dance to it. And when they are dancing they are totally in to it. That is whatever they do they do with one mind and total sense.
Children will be disinterested or fall out of tune when they listen, but to things of adult origin. Imagine listening or simply being around a person of Jesus's calibre. A very non-typical man full of peace and one with the world. What do u think the children will do? Will they cry , yawn or be more demaning for attention etc? No, I am sure majority will just be quiet. Does that help in understanding?
That is children is in more tune with the oneness of the Cosmos than adults are. I think we are God/Goddess in our own rights and as being equally gifted with the power to be both the observer and observed, we have to be our own light to know and be blissful. So religious people talk and talk make us strain our ears ...that is what creates a disjoint between people and God. Spirituality teaches you to be. It teaches you that the knower and the known are one and the same. They are inseparable.
The emotions and mind work in harmony to bring that extra kick to experience mother earth and its surroundings and the skies.
We are God/Goddesses. Each one of us.
The observer and the observed are but one. The cosmos created itself to know itself. Every path is valid - except the path of drunkeness, drugs, hatred. I do not think one has to take all paths , sometimes the wisdom of the observed is enough that allows him to make his own choices and ask God that he does not wish to take that path. HSC- perhaps, u may not agree . Perhaps there is indeed a place called hell that God allows for the observer and the observed on a negative path. May not be phsyical but cud be psychological. Its hard to say because we live in the mind of God. Now should we thank the Religious people for making us never forget about hell and heaven? Heheh catch 22. AG, leaving the arguments intentionally vague. Can't wait to see me being attacked (pun) for this post.
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Mirandee
Moderator Posts: 3855
From: South of the Thumb Taurus, Pisces, Cancer
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 11, 2007 01:56 AM
Holy Cow!!! Over 150 posts on a song thread?!!! Must be a lot of Dead Heads at LL.  I am joking of course. Guess I have to clarify everything I say now. Do others here at LL also have to do that or is that just a requirement for me? Just checking. Want things equally balanced here. Also hope that song and the lyrics didn't get lost in the fiasco that was created here. This all amounts to nit picking and it does not deserve all the attention it is getting. That's my honest opinion.
BR, Thank you for understanding. Also you are very perceptive.
GG, Juni, Star, HSC and others thank you as well for understanding. AG, that was a beautifully worded post and from all you said in it, yes, I agree we do share the same values and spiritual outlook. Thirteen thank you as well. I agree with what you said. I should have just said spirituality and not used the word religion. Though please understand that the two go hand and hand with me so it is normal for me to do that. HSC, liked what you had to say. Yes, we need both the knowledge and the simplicity. I fully agree. Actually though the faith and spirituality were already there within for a very long time before my studies. The definition of Theology is "faith seeking understanding." It was the spirituality that inspired me towards gaining more knowledge. Also all the things that you listed, philosophy and all of it are taught at the seminary. Even psychology. Don't you know how many years of studies and all the things that priests and nuns have to learn? Most times it comes after they already have college degrees from regular colleges. If you saw my bookshelves here you will find many types of books and I love philosophy and have those books as well. I don't have the time I used to have to read as much though. Also, HSC, what you stated about the subconscious mind is true and I always analyze people's words but more, their actions. Body language is lost on the internet but that is the best way to see the subconscious in action. Words don't mean as much because people use words to manipulate and manipulators who have a lifetime pattern of that get very good at it. They fool a lot of people with their words. So body language is the most important detector. It is not true at all what Fayte stated about Star. The only truth in her words is that Star is a friend of mine and yes, she does know how I feel. So does my daughter. Star has not intervened in my decisons and I resent Fayte implying that anyone could tell me what to do and lead me around by the nose. Fayte couldn't tell me who my friends should or shouldn't be so what makes her think that Star could even if she did try? Which she hasn't. No truth to it at all. This is all I am going to say except to restate that my intentions for this thread were precisely as I stated them to be. And frankly I don't care who thinks otherwise. Your opinion of me does not define me. So it really means nothing to me. Things have been presented on this thread in interpretations of what I said, how I said it and why I said that never even crossed my mind when I posted this song and the lyrics or when I stated what I did. We do complicate everything. Just look at how these people have complicated a simple little thread that had absolutely no meaning other than the what the lyrics of the song state. We all have our own journies in life. For Christ sake give me some damn breathing room to pursue my own jounery without being judged because it is not the same as someone elses. Give me some damn breathing room to express myself in a normal way for me without being judged and having what I said dissected in nearly 200 posts. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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From: Pleasanton, CA, USA
Registered: May 2005
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posted October 11, 2007 02:00 AM
[In response to Mannu]
Just so you know, I'm not so concerned with you explaining the context of the previous post in FFA. I was recounting my observation, which is:
- You made a statement
- I didn't agree with the statement, and looked for proof to support your statement, but found none
- I told you what I found
- You indicated that the meaning of your statement was different than what I'd interpretted
- You went back to UC
With this as my shapshot, the appearance is one of your not being able to communicate clearly. I appreciate your taking a little more time and care with this last post. If one wants to be heard, and have his/her perspective taken into account, one must communicate in a way that their audience can understand. In my previous encounters with you, you've always seemed to be fairly graceful. Has there been a change? IP: Logged |
Unmoved
Knowflake Posts: 231
From: South Africa
Registered: Jun 2007
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posted October 11, 2007 05:59 AM
Whoa!What in the world happened here?!! This has turned into a circus. Very funny actually. So, the last time I was here, we were discussing the appreciation of the whole vs digging for details. In my opinion, we have digressed a lot! IP: Logged |
Solane Star
Knowflake Posts: 4008
From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 11, 2007 07:36 AM
Can't wait to see what the show may turn out to be like today??!!IP: Logged |
Solane Star
Knowflake Posts: 4008
From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 11, 2007 07:41 AM
 I think I'll go and get my popcorn now, already got ticket, Front row sits!!!This is Great!!!IP: Logged |
Solane Star
Knowflake Posts: 4008
From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 11, 2007 07:43 AM
Oh, I do share too!!!IP: Logged |
Solane Star
Knowflake Posts: 4008
From: Ontario, Canada
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posted October 11, 2007 07:50 AM
 Your so vain, you probably thought the song was about YOU!!!!IP: Logged |
Solane Star
Knowflake Posts: 4008
From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 11, 2007 08:59 AM
HAVEN'T GOT TIME FOR THE PAIN Lyrics(Carly Simon/Jacob Brackman) All those crazy nights when I cried myself to sleep Now melodrama never makes me weep anymore
'Cause I haven't got time for the pain
I haven't got room for the pain
I haven't the need for the pain
Not since I've known you You showed me how, how to leave myself behind
How to turn down the noise in my mind
Now I haven't got time for the pain
I haven't got room for the pain
I haven't the need for the pain
Not since I've known you Suffering was the only thing that made me feel I was alive
Though that's just how much it cost to survive in this world
'Til you showed me how, how to fill my heart with love
How to open up and drink in all that white LIGHT
Pouring down from the heaven
I haven't got time for the pain
I haven't got room for the pain
I haven't the need for the pain Not since I've known you IP: Logged |
Solane Star
Knowflake Posts: 4008
From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 11, 2007 09:12 AM
Seek union over separation
"Beliefs separate. Loving thoughts unite."-- Paul Ferrini
Schmoozy Works also!!! 
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Mannu
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posted October 11, 2007 09:12 AM
>>>In my previous encounters with you, you've always seemed to be fairly graceful. Has there been a change?
Thank you. There sure is a change - my work hours bumped from 40 to 50 so not finding much time to be here.
Not that I was involved in any of the politics before. But its very disheartening to know that people who were once friends are now going at each others throat. Why?
I was almost in tears on Lialei's innocent questions. I think I must be what I used to be -disengaged. People once labelled me as cold and unemotional. So be it. Tried to show some of my colors.
For those wishing i cud post - i can't. have to be on a hiatus for 2 days. Meanwhile will continue to read some of the posts here though.
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Solane Star
Knowflake Posts: 4008
From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 11, 2007 09:15 AM
Just trying to get it up 200 posts, so Mirandee has all her facts right!!!! LOL!!!I'll stop now!!!! IP: Logged | |
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