posted December 12, 2007 06:10 PM         

Type only one sentence without parroting any one. From experience alone. It does the job of reading one book by some one else.

posted December 12, 2007 06:12 PM         

Gotta run!!!

posted December 12, 2007 06:15 PM         

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The professional seekers of truths destiny has become cut pasting statements.
Type only one sentence without parroting any one. From experience alone. It does the job of reading one book by some one else.

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"I once spent an entire day in contemplation
but found it less enlightening than an hour of study."

~ Hsun Tzu

posted December 12, 2007 06:19 PM         

Great one!!!

Perhaps he is referring to reading teachings of true teachers.

posted December 12, 2007 07:10 PM         

In that order,

HSC

“Meili, Will you be my guru?”

No but I will be your Friend

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“Thank you for sharing, Meili, that is what I thought the meaning of it was.”

Good, I am glad we share an understanding.

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Mannu

“Meili, I respect sufism because its not islam. Its not mainstream. It is deep
I love gnostism for the same reasons. But I only find fundamental christians around here.
Well you guys already anwered my response regarding dung and perfume. Hahaha nice analogy.”

Meili,
“>>>I never respond to anything that I have not followed closely.
I know you believe you understand what you think I said; but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant “

One thing at a time then: You are not in a position to say what Sufism is or is not, definitively. I am in a position to state what it is or is not more fully then you are. That is a function of time and wisdom, and one hopes that you will, inshahallah, come to a similar wisdom.

There are no fundamentalist Christians, there are Christians that are at various stages of wisdom. Like there are Muslims and Jews at various stages of wisdom. I say this because you are using the word “fundamentalist” to indicate ignorance. In that case, indeed, we are all fundamentalist. We are all ignorant. However, that does not mean that we are all at the same stage of ignorance. So, for me, you are in a state of fundamentalism as well. Osho fundamentalism. One can even be a fundamentalist of no one and no thing. Any obsessive attachment is fundamentalism. It is ignorance. When the Buddha instructs one to cut off his head or “kill him if you should meet him in the street”, he is saying that you should enlighten yourself sufficiently so that you can destroy any of the idols that you have created in your own mind, the idol of the Buddha being the most all encompassing.

I am not at all sure how your response was answered with respect to dung and perfume.

Finally, I do know very well what you mean. And I know that it is very difficult to stand down on any position, even after one doubts the original position. So, I do not expect you to contemplate what I have said and showed until some time has passed. Inshahallah you will move toward greater wisdom.

Peace and Blessings
Meili

posted December 12, 2007 08:19 PM         

Even if I agree to that. I certainly do not agree that you know Buddha so well either. I never asked for an explanation of what you meant by that statement on buddha. Perhaps some body else wanted to understand it. Its nice when people can talk when there are listeners. I was being intentionally quiet then.

Perhaps, we can grow together in this meeting that occured in the function of time and space and gain from each others wisdom. Without asking each other questions such as "what religion are you? what clothes do you wear? what car do you drive? Whats your star sign , etc"....that is without asking for an identity card which I don't carry with me anyways. Just learn , share and growwwww......

posted December 12, 2007 08:22 PM         

"You have asked for my Ten Commandments. It's a difficult matter, because I am against any kind of commandment. Yet, just for the fun of it, I write:"

1. Never obey anyone's command unless it is coming from within you also.
2. There is no God other than life itself.
3. Truth is within you, do not search for it elsewhere.
4. Love is prayer.
5. To become a nothingness is the door to truth. Nothingness itself is the means, the goal and attainment.
6. Life is now and here.
7. Live wakefully.
8. Do not swim - float.
9. Die each moment so that you can be new each moment.
10. Do not search. That which is, is. Stop and see.

PS Numbers 3, 7, 9 & 10 were underlined by Osho in his original letter.

posted December 12, 2007 08:27 PM         

Its adding so much value to me. I really hope you know that.

Bless you

posted December 12, 2007 08:28 PM         

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Without asking each questions such as "what religion are you? what clothes do you wear? what car do you drive?

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isn't it incredible, what utter scorn these things elicit?

how can there be such animosity for someone having a different religion than your own? why is that people go to such lengths to deceive and harm people in the name of such things?

posted December 12, 2007 09:06 PM         

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Any obsessive attachment is fundamentalism. - Meili

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No but I will be your Friend - Meili

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...and i especially love the second sentence quoted.

We are almost constantly surrounded by "gurus" arent we?

posted December 12, 2007 11:52 PM         

Rabindranath has written six thousand songs. The great English poet, Shelley, has written only two thousand. Rabindranath has written six thousand poems. And every poem is a marvel in itself, a beautiful diamond, unique.

The friend was right. He said, ‘You can die with deep contentment, fulfilled. You have sung so many songs. Not even a Kalidas, not even a Shelley, can compete with you.’ And when he was saying this, tears were flowing in Rabindranath’s eyes. He couldn't believe it. He said, ‘You and crying! Are you afraid of death? I could never believe that a man who has been singing his whole life that death is the great friend - afraid of death?’

Rabindranath said, ‘No, not afraid of death. Death is beautiful, as beautiful as life. I am weeping and crying because better and better songs were coming lately.’

‘Up to now I was just a child. Now a maturity was happening, and God was giving me more and more. The more I sang the more was flowing out of me. In fact, now the veena was ready and the time has come to leave. This is unjust. Now I was feeling ready to really sing!’”

posted December 13, 2007 01:35 AM         

You said

"Even if I agree to that. I certainly do not agree that you know Buddha so well either. I never asked for an explanation of what you meant by that statement on buddha. Perhaps some body else wanted to understand it. Its nice when people can talk when there are listeners. I was being intentionally quiet then.

Perhaps, we can grow together in this meeting that occured in the function of time and space and gain from each others wisdom. Without asking each other questions such as "what religion are you? what clothes do you wear? what car do you drive? Whats your star sign , etc"....that is without asking for an identity card which I don't carry with me anyways. Just learn , share and growwwww......"

As a final note in response to these statements made by you, I offer you a story from the Master Hezrat Molana (Rumi).

THE MOUSE AND THE CAMEL

A mouse caught hold of a camel’s lead rope
in his two forelegs and walked off with it,
imitating the camel drivers.

The camel went along, letting the mouse feel heroic.

“Enjoy yourself,” he thought, “I have something teach you presently.”

They came to the edge of a great river. The mouse was dumbfounded.

“What are you waiting for? the Camel said, Step forward into the river. You are the leader. Don’t stop here.”

“I’m afraid of being drowned.”

The camel walked into the water. “It’s only
just above the knee.”

“Your knee! Your knee is hundred times over my head!”

“Well, maybe you shouldn’t be leading a camel. Stay with those like yourself. A mouse has nothing really to say to a camel.”

“Would you help me get across?”

“Get up on my hump. I am made to take hundreds like you across.”

You are not a prophet, but go humbly on the way of the prophets, and you can arrive where they are. Don’t try to steer the boat.
Don’t open a shop by yourself. Listen, keep silent.

You are not God’s mouthpiece. Try to be an ear, and if you do speak, ask for explanations.

The source of your arrogance and anger is your lust and the rootedness of that is in your habits.

Someone who makes a habit of eating clay
gets mad when you try to keep him from it.
Being a leader can also be a poisonous habit,
so that when someone questions your authority, you think, “He’s trying to take over.”

You may respond courteously, but inside you rage.

Always check your inner state with the lord of your heart. Copper doesn’t know it’s copper, until it’s changed to gold.

Your loving doesn’t know its majesty, until it knows its helpnessness.

These gifts from the Friend, a robe of skin and veins, a teacher within, wear them and become a school, with a greater sheikh nearby.

posted December 13, 2007 09:54 AM         

Would Sage say,
let us all share for we are all teachers and students,
yet be mindful I instruct, I lead,
and this is the way we shall travel together.

Would Sage introduce stature?
Or be focused on such worldly
recognitions~
teacher/student?
master/servant?

Or, truly understanding of
flows and cycles of Tao,
truly surrendering to such,
release and
let things be as they will
whatever pristine
may become from it.

Are we sensing beyond words,
into the quieter
mysterious spaces
inbetween instruction.

posted December 13, 2007 10:01 AM         

You are a breath of fresh air around the boards here.

Liked all your posts on this thread. Very much liked the things you said.

HSC,

May I say I have enjoyed reading your posts on this thread as well?

I for one am glad that you are one of the critical thinkers in this Nation.

posted December 13, 2007 11:45 AM         

Thanks, Mirandee. I try.