posted December 06, 2007 04:44 PM         

This is a power slide and full of wise Osho quotes

*Added Dec 11* Great links on all his books with front page cover

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God is not a thing its a process

I touch the feet of all those who know themselves without distinction

On the day of enlightenment I understood that we were already divine and we were already perfect - as we were.

Meditation has no purpose. It means no-mind.

I am fragile, delicate , and sensitive. That is my strength.

Meditation needs no God, no heaven , no hell.

Exactly like Siddhartha, I fell in love with rivers.
Rivers brought so many changes in my life.
(edited* he is referring to buddha)

When nobody expects anything from you , you fall in to silence

To be in total silence is to be alone. Be alone and experience peace

Religious people are afraid of hell, and they seek and hanker for heaven

Remain integrated, silent , happy and allow the world to happen.

Whatever happens, let it happen. You remain the same. This sameness will give you integrity.

Only truth there is and that is a death. [*edited Dec 9, just 2 days before his bday* I read his book and got what he said. Nice one guru ]

Surrender and I will do the rest

-- The wise 'con' man known as Osho

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Sitting silently , doing nothing
The spring comes
And the grass grows by itself


No method ever helps . How can a method help? A method can help to create something unnatural. Nature has not to be created -- it is already there. It has to be lived, enjoyed, danced, sung. It is already there! You need not do anything. The grass is already growing. The spring has come! But you cannot sit silently. You have so much restlessness -- that restlessness needs methods. I give you methods, not because through methods you will become enlightened, but through methods you will come to know how stupid you are -- and that is great enlightenement!
By Osho - Zen and the art of living

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posted December 06, 2007 05:15 PM         

"That the materially poor can ever be spiritual is out-and-out absurd."

"I have fallen in love with this man (Adolf Hitler).
He was crazy, but I am crazier still."

~ Osho

Rajneesh once jokingly refered to himself as "the rubber hose Buddha," because he was always inhaling nitrous oxide through a rubber hose.

U.G. Krishnamurti publicly called Rajneesh the "worlds biggest pimp" because "He made money from the boys and the girls and he kept it for himself." In 1971 Rajneesh told me directly in a face to face meeting that U.G. Krishnamurti was "realized." After much public criticism from U.G., Rajneesh counterattacked by calling U.G. a "phony guru."

Rajneesh used people, spoke out of both sides of his mouth, and betrayed the trust of his own disciples. This betrayal caused Vivek, his longtime girlfriend and companion, to commit suicide by taking an overdose of sleeping pills. Rajneesh even lied about her death, slandering his greatest love in her grave by falsely claiming that she was chronically depressed due to some intrinsic emotional instability. Vivek was never depressed during the years I knew her, and she was the most radiant women I have ever known.

Rajneesh lied when he said he had enlightened disciples. He lied when he said he never made a mistake. Near the end of his life he was forced to admit that he was fallible, as his list of bungles had grown to monstrous proportions. He lied by pretending that his therapy groups were not mainly just a money making device. Rajneesh lied about breaking United States immigration laws, and he only admitted the truth after he was presented with overwhelming evidence against him. He lied by saying that he was adopted in a phony scheme to get permanent residence status. Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh was no bank robber, but he was quite literally a pathological liar.

In Poona, Rajneesh gave an infamous lecture in which he stated that Jews had given Hitler "no choice" but to exterminate them. In his last years Rajneesh declared that "I have fallen in love with this man (Adolf Hitler). He was crazy, but I am crazier still." Rajneesh said that he wanted his sannyasins "to take over the world" and that he had studied Hitler to gain insight into how to accomplish the task. For a man who portrayed himself as the world's smartest, highest, and greatest soul, such remarks were proof to me that his drug use had destroyed the quality of his mind.

Rajneesh's favorite Rolls-Royce dealer stated that "the Bhagwan" had spent hours on the telephone talking to him about his often weekly purchases of new automobiles. All of his over 90 Rolls-Royces were paid for from general commune funds on his direct orders, not "gifts" from outsiders as he would later try to claim. Rajneesh was the only person who wanted the cars and he was the only person allowed to drive them. After bankrupting the commune, he claimed that the automobiles were owned by the commune, not by him.

Rajneesh even finally admitted that there is no reincarnation, and that the very concept of reincarnation was just a "misinterpretation" of other phenomena. This shocking admission meant that his previous frequent claims of being a famous guru in past lives were pure fiction, designed to impress, manipulate, and control his disciples. Rajneesh's main teaching was based on souls, reincarnation, and achieving freedom from rebirth (moksha) through spiritual practice. His massive drug intake seemed to act as a truth serum at times, allowing admissions of truths that he had previously kept secret in order to remain in control of his cult empire. The course of Rajneesh's life and his drug induced admissions proved to me that his most basic teachings were wrong and a lie.

~ Osho biographer, Christopher Caulder

posted December 06, 2007 05:24 PM         

You have to study Zen masters before studying Osho.

I don't care whatever his followers or observers or moles are about. I only thank youtube for revealing to me another master. I can hear and see him for myself and judge or not judge him as per my own scale. Why must I borrow your scale?

posted December 06, 2007 06:07 PM         

I'm just making information available.

Historical information.
How Osho lived.
What he said at different times in his life.
How he treated his followers.
All of this is relevant,
eve if it is inconvenient.

You can disregarded it if you choose,
and I can call you a sucker for doing so.

I've read Zen teachings.

Osho has wit, and philosophical comprehension of Zen.

So do I.
So do many people.

In addition to that,
I can honestly say I've never allocated funds for 90 Rolls Royces,
had disciples responsible for poisoning a hundred people,
or encouraged middle-aged men to sleep with prepubescent girls.

posted December 06, 2007 07:06 PM         

Osho ,

You have done more for me than all my friends and family combined. I thank you everyday - you know that. God bless you, you prick.

posted December 07, 2007 11:07 AM         

I once heard that what we do not like in others is what we do not like about ourselves....

Psychological projection at it's finest!!!

There are alot of frauds in the world, geezzzz we are human are we not, or am I missing something here?

I am quite sure that the "leader" of my country has issues as well, and I am quite sure that many "spiritual leaders" through history have had their issues too! Politicians and Popes really scare me...atleast Osho was somewhat real...and was not afraid to live his life as he saw fit.

The human condition.

Who is one human to judge another?

And I will be the last person to believe what someone has written about another, I loathe "media."

I agree with Mannu, I too, take bits and pieces of what Osho has to say, I take bits and pieces of what anybody has to say and formulate my own thoughts....with my own connection to the divine leading me.

"Think for yourself, question authority..."

posted December 07, 2007 01:18 PM         

You're right:

So what if he molested women.

So what if he encouraged and orchestrated pedophelia.

So what if he allocated spiritual donations
for selfish, materialistic ends,
and claimed, for tax and image purposes,
that the luxuries he purchased were "gifts".

So what if he intentionally lied about many points of doctrine...

So what if he was a ruthless dictator,
who threatened suicide if his incessant demands weren't met...

So what if he said wealth was necessary for spiritual progress...

So what if he trained his disciples to follow orders mindlessly,
then put someone in charge who would order them to poison people...

So what if he claimed powers which he did not possess...

So what if he named himself a master,
and claimed that others had given him the title...

So what if that peaceful demeanor depends on a regular intake of Valium...

So what if men are put to death for less convincing evidence than this.

Let's not judge or think critically...

Let's ignore all of that...

All the verified historical facts....

All the eye-witness accounts...

And lets just praise him and hearken to what he says,
even if it is mostly lies.
Lets trust ourselves to know when he speaks truth,
because, after all,
we've shown how thoroughly discriminating we are,
and have infinite faith in our own powers of discrimination.

Lets immitate the dutiful wife
who unhesitatingly defends her husband,
"Well, he never raped me,".

There are so many teachers in the world.
And we can hear enlightening truths from many sources,
but, lets give our attention to this man,
who spices those teachings with his own "rebellious" pressumption,
and is (according to all known legal standards) a career criminal.

Wow, you make a great case, hippichick!

All of you do!

Forgive me for trying to draw your attention
to all these insignificant details.

Viva la Osho!! Loyal to the end!!

posted December 07, 2007 01:25 PM         

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

posted December 07, 2007 02:52 PM         

If that makes me look like some kind of dutiful wife, so be it.

Thank you for trying to draw our attention to where you think it needs to be, HSC.

posted December 07, 2007 03:28 PM         

Are we on a different plane?

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Expand yourself.

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posted December 07, 2007 04:14 PM         

I think people who are into Osho
owe it to themselves to read the article I posted.

If you've read it through,
and you still believe in his innocence,
without a shadow of a doubt to pursue,
then nothing I say will mean much.

I do think it deserves a look.

I've taken my look,
and listened to my heart,
and this is the conclusion I came to.

I dont enjoy tearing down people's idols,
and I can appreciate that he has helped a lot of people
(even if he has hurt and misinformed many more).
I just think an objective view is called for.

I am wise enough to overlook many things,
while keeping my eyes open.

I still think the "dutiful wife" dynamic is a likely one.

That is just what I seem to be seeing now,
and, god help us, I call 'em as I see 'em.

Thank you for understanding my motives, T.

posted December 07, 2007 10:37 PM         

26T thanks for posting about being empty to understand him. I am now ready to buy his book and study what was he all about

A mind based person cannot understand Jesus or Osho or any master.

posted December 07, 2007 10:48 PM         

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A mind based person cannot understand Jesus or Osho or any master.

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Jiddu Krishnamurti and U.G. Krishnamurti,
both widely recognized as enlightened men,
did not "understand" Osho.
They both called him a criminal.

So, its not just me, or some "mole".

You want the sources;
this is the best I can do:
http://rajneesh.info/

"I would like to think that the early Acharya Rajneesh would have approved of my essay, but who can say for sure. For those who suggest I am not being loyal to Osho, I counter that I am honestly trying to be loyal to Acharya Rajneesh, the man I took sannyas from, not Osho. He was a man I still deeply love and respect. But that Acharya Rajneesh died along time before Osho was even born and the two men were as different as day and night.

"My message to letter writers is to go ahead and write me. You can vent anger or thank me, but neither will have much effect on me as I have heard it all before, from both sides. I can only sigh and ask myself how Acharya Rajneesh, who started out as an anti-guru extraordinaire, ended up as he did with this current crop of disciples. Perhaps it shows that power does corrupt and that the means rarely justifies the ends."

- Christopher Calder

"Rajneesh/Osho is the worst thing that ever happened to spirituality in the west. He rode herd over a mob of naive, idealistic spiritual seekers, but definitely lacked the traits of an enlightened master.

"Enlightened masters are not drug addicts. They do not turn Dharma on its head -- like calling "sannyasins" those who adopt a path exactly opposite of Indian sannyas. They generally don't get arrested and have their mug shots taken, and ignomiously deported -- especially the Indian saints. (Christ was one notable historical exception to this rule.) A true saint, by his spiritual power, is never humiliated or bested. He has sufficient merit to receive protection and his honored in his lifetime.

"More to the core, an enlightened master does not encourage his disciples to abandon time-honored moral norms -- especially the dharma concerning sex restraint. Osho was basically a kind of pimp who used the base desires of average people, along with their beautiful hunger for real spirituality, to build a financial empire and a following of worshippers who would do whatever he asked.

"When I think back about that 'baby boomer generation' of sincere spiritual seekers -- all those intelligent, skilled young men and women of European descent like me -- it makes me so sad. What a harvest of potential saints that was! How much good might have arisen if all those young, idealistic westerners could have fallen in with a legitimate spiritual master -- say, a Vivekananda or a Ramakrishna. We will never know! I look at them today, and their condition, and they have missed the boat.

"Thousands of sincere western seekers were misled and harmed by the novel teachings of Osho. I have seen many of them in the aftermath. They always lack the satvic glow that comes from yogic sex restraint; they look like spent rakes aged well beyond their actual years. Even in their age -- when they might show some spiritual attainment -- many still crave sex, and all the ordinary base things. Despite Osho's "indulgence technique," they never got over sex addiction and lust.

"This was one of the Big Lies that Osho told: That by indulging your sex desire you would transcend it. The great sages of Yoga spoke the real and opposite truth: You get over sexual lust not by feeding it, but by restraining it until you encounter the higher thrill of meditative bliss. Meanwhile, it is only that renunciation -- the storing of the sexual energy -- that enables one to contact the transcendental bliss. This has been the message of the sages through all time, including Lord Buddha, who was frequently ripped off by "the Bhagwan." Osho's teachings, though sprinkled here and there with mystical truths, were dead wrong in the most basic ways, and ultimately spiritually destructive.

"The proof is in the pudding. Christ said that one can know a true Master by the "fruit" that emerges from him. Through his disciples Osho gave us moral and family breakdown, drug addiction, a disturbed childhood for many, and crime -- even terrorism. Osho set Yoga back in the west perhaps hundreds of years.

"The saddest thing is what happened to all those children of Osho followers. Osho wanted them to grow up not knowing who their Fathers were; raised by a mob, with no particular person as Parent. I can't think of anything much more ignorant, or more cruel. Krishnamurti was right:
Osho was a criminal."

-- Julian Lee www.Celibacy.info

posted December 07, 2007 10:57 PM         

http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/rajneesh.html
http://www.ashe-prem.org/two/davisson.shtml

"It was later revealed in court testimony that Sheela’s [Rajneeshee group] had attempted to poison two local communities by dumping salmonella into salad bars of several local restaurants . . . This episode has the unfortunate distinction of being the first instance of modern bioterrorism in the U.S.

"Sheela’s group also allegedly fire-bombed a county records office in The Dalles. One of the charges most heavily investigated was the poisoning of Swami Deveraj (later Amrito), Bhagwan’s personal physician. After the July 6 discourse, Ma Shanti Bhadra hugged Deveraj and jabbed him with a needle. The syringe contained a still unidentified poison concocted by Rajneeshpuram nurse Ma Puja. Deveraj became gravely ill and almost died at the Madras hospital."

http://www.sannyasnews.com/Articles/Life%20in%20Orange%20review.html

"My Life In Orange"

The child of an Osho disciple recounts his crazy life growing up under the "Rajneesh." Find out how bad it was. Many letters here from other grown Osho children, or those raised in similar situations.

posted December 07, 2007 11:17 PM         

Will you stop going to church if one of the priests is accused of sodomizing a boy?

posted December 07, 2007 11:27 PM         

see:
http://home.att.net/~meditation/Osho.html
Osho, Bhagwan Rajneesh, and the Lost Truth
http://home.att.net/~meditation/CommonLies.html
Common Lies of the Phony World of Mystics
http://home.att.net/~meditation/soul.html
Do you have a soul?

posted December 07, 2007 11:52 PM         

HSC, I get it Osho is not meant for you. Drop him. You have that freedom.

I wanna study Osho's teaching some more. His words complements those of my gurus so I can put my own approval stamps on his words. Sometimes I wonder "Did my master borrow Osho's words?" Hehehe... Perhaps they have one source and they all come from the age old wisdom of India and her seers.

I am beyond doubt and faith. I am in the process of surrendering to my master.

posted December 08, 2007 11:16 AM         

That is a good article, though I got very different messages from it, than you did. Throughout the article, parts of the text are bolded, and these bolded phrases all express the things that I have been saying. The author of the article appears to admit the truth of all of Calder's claims, and is even more liberal than Calder with his personal criticisms. Calder mostly reported the facts, without too many personal adjectives, like "demented", "ridiculous", "corrupt", and so on, as used by the professor. The professor doesnt just speak of Osho's narcissism, or his "considerable narcissim", but, rather, he does not shrink from the adjective "collosal", when describing it. I dont find the article you are praising any more sympathetic to Osho than the one I posted. If anything, it may be less so.

All of this is from the article you praise:

"Concerning the so-called Godman "Bhagavan / Bhagwan" Rajneesh... there was, sadly, immense dysfunction."

"Many thousands of disciples of Osho Rajneesh find him a beautiful enigma, and while many of these persons will openly admit as true all the serious flaws and foibles pointed out by his many critics (such critics—including James Gordon, Julian Lee, and especially Christopher Calder— are quoted at some length at this webpage), these faithful disciples nevertheless still express tremendous gratitude and appreciation for all that they learned and received from Rajneesh over their months or years with this "gifted" and "remarkable" man, as several of his devotees have described him in their emails to me."

"...there were, alas, colossal problems with his teachings and his person."

"...Rajneesh was another shooting star in the spiritual firmament, one of those strange but rather numerous fallen yogis who attain some glimpses or periods of a certain kind of "enlightened freedom," open up to become a channel for some unusual and palpable energies (leading mesmerized disciples to think they are in the presence of Divinity), but then sooner or later such figures become imbalanced and egocentrically full of themselves--proud, megalomaniacal, narcissistic, and/or disturbed by one or more other mental-emotional-psychic pathologies."

"completely misrepresenting the teachings of the Buddha and Sankara... I thought this was extremely dishonest and corrupt, especially given that Rajneesh had been an academic earlier in life, a philosophy instructor at the collegiate level. He should have known better. It's immoral and base to misrepresent to your students the subtle views of illustrious figures and then to criticize these misrepresented views, thereby elevating yourself to a higher status than the persons criticized. In his talks and dictated writings, Rajneesh often utilizes this dishonest trick, lying in various ways to insure that his followers would see him as spiritually superior to every other figure who had ever appeared in religious history, including the Buddha, Sankara, Jesus, and many others."

"...ridiculously inaccurate, broad-sweeping generalizations about religion and society and human nature, and a quirky mix of self-effacing and no doubt feigned "humility" with self-inflated boasting."

"What is one to do with many passages from Rajneesh like the following not untypical excess of demented hyperbole and distorted history, delivered during the height of his fame? "I say to you: forget God and forget the kingdom of God. I give you here and now. I say celebrate, because this life is a gift of existence to you.... I want it to be emphasized that this is the only religion. All those of the past were sick, pathological. They have made the whole world sick, and they are still doing it. They call it 'service to humanity.' Only the retarded and utterly mediocre people can believe in God." He later called Jesus a "crackpot" who "was trying to save the world but couldn't even save himself." (Quoted in Hinduism Today, Sep. 1985, p. 3)

"But there was much, much more dysfunctionality to Rajneesh's personality, as pointed out by some of his former close disciples and other observers."

((Yikes! I find myself quoting the whole article,
in order to make my points. ))

"(And know that Rajneesh's rise to fame in India was not just due to his personal appeal and the notoriety of the sexed up atmosphere at his ashram, but also largely due to the efforts of Ma Yoga Laxmi, his first organizational secretary, the extremely well-connected daughter of a prominent businessman and close friend of many of the longtime-ruling Congress Party leaders, herself a rising political figure in the mid-1960s.)"

"Rajneesh's ego-problems grew more terrible..."

"...many members of his neo-sannyasin throngs embroiled themselves in much controversy, hostility, litigation, and even terrorist crimes against both inmates and local Oregonian residents. (One of my enthusiastic yet candid and quite pro-Rajneesh correspondents, Sandra Johansen, admits that a woman friend, a member of the "inner circle" around Rajneesh in Oregon, thinks that a now "unenlightened" Rajneesh completely "lost it" during that time.) Rajneesh was a pretty pathetic figure.."

"...Rajneesh's colossal narcissism.."