posted September 23, 2012 09:27 PM            

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Have a nice day Ami Anne.

Bowing out of this one.

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Thank you Jesus

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posted September 24, 2012 08:45 AM            

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posted September 24, 2012 10:41 AM            

The thing one must keep in mind when doing Bible prophecy is "Don't call running horses, zebras" Take the most logical earthly explanation of the Bible, first. Don't make symbolic what is literal. This goes for the various countries, as well as the events.

If you hate the Jews, which you don't, the Bible will never make sense as you will have to make the Jews someone else like the Church( replacement theology) or make Peter the first pope( Catholicism)
The Bible is meant for the intelligent layman to understand it, without going to way out explanations.

It is a practical and real life book for people's actual life in the world, as well as one's spiritual life. With that being said, I will look for the Scriptures, as they are what count, not my measly words.

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posted September 24, 2012 11:16 AM            

This is Isiah 66;8 Israel is Born in a day

Or shall a nation be born at once? - Such an event never has occurred. A nation is brought into existence by degrees. Its institutions are matured gradually, and usually by the long process of years. But here is an event as remarkable as if a whole nation should be born at once, and stand before the world, mature in its laws, its civil institutions, and in all that constitutes greatness. In looking for the fulfillment of this, we naturally turn the attention to the rapid progress of the gospel in the times of the apostles, when events occurred as sudden and as remarkable as if the earth, after the desolation of winter or of a drought, should be covered with rich luxuriance in a day, or as if a whole nation should start into existence, mature in all its institutions, in a moment.<< Isaiah 66:8 >>

New International Version (©1984)
Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children.

New Living Translation (©2007)
Who has ever seen anything as strange as this? Who ever heard of such a thing? Has a nation ever been born in a single day? Has a country ever come forth in a mere moment? But by the time Jerusalem's birth pains begin, her children will be born.

English Standard Version (©2001)
Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Shall a land be born in one day? Shall a nation be brought forth in one moment? For as soon as Zion was in labor she brought forth her children.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Can a land be born in one day? Can a nation be brought forth all at once? As soon as Zion travailed, she also brought forth her sons.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Who has heard of such a thing? Who has seen such things? Can a country be born in one day? Can a nation be born in a moment? When Zion went into labor, she also gave birth to her children.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Who has heard such a thing? who has seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

American King James Version
Who has heard such a thing? who has seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

American Standard Version
Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall a land be born in one day? shall a nation be brought forth at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

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posted September 24, 2012 04:35 PM            

Ezekiel 37 and End-Times Bible Prophecy: Fulfillment Before Our Very Eyes
by John Claeys

Frederick the Great of Prussia, who had been listening to Voltaire's agnostic ideas, asked one of his court chaplains: "If the Bible is true, it ought to be capable of very clear and succinct witness. Generally when I ask if the Bible is true, I am handed some long scholarly volume which I have neither the time nor the patience to read. If your Bible is true, give me the proof of it in one word." The chaplain answered in this way: "Sire, Israel."

Israel is the one-word demonstration of the veracity of Scripture because God has chosen the Jewish nation to be at the center of God's kingdom plan. In addition, the miracle of Israel demonstrates the trustworthiness of Scripture. After all, the Bible predicted Jews would be scattered from the land—which occurred in 70 A.D.—and then would be brought back to form a nation.

Never before in the history of human-kind had a nation been dissolved and then, after many years (in Israel's case, almost 1,900) resurrected—until it happened with Israel. Never before had a language been lost to the world and then resurrected—until it occurred with Hebrew, the language of the Jews of Israel.

Israel truly is a miracle and is one of the very greatest proofs that the Bible is true. But because Israel is at the very center of God's prophetic plan, recent occurrences in Israel may also be strong indicators that we are nearing the return of Christ. Specifically, two occurrences indicate this: 1) the migration of Jews into the land of Israel; and 2) Israel's recent possession of Jerusalem. We begin with the migration of Jews into the land.

For example, 7,500 Jews of the lost tribes of the northeast will migrate to Israel later this year. These Jews, which have been located in India, will go to the "Promised Land" after "their peers from South America" migrate to Israel.

Jews making aliyah (migrating to Israel) before the rapture of the Church and the beginning of the seven-year tribulation period occur are all part of the fulfillment of Ezekiel 37. In that chapter, God predicts that, following the scattering of the Jews (which occurred in 70 A.D. when the Romans besieged Israel), He would bring Jews back to the land of Israel in preparation for the salvation of Israel. Israel's salvation will occur during the seven years prior to the return of Christ and will be fulfilled at the initiation of the kingdom of God, following the return of Christ to the earth.

At the end of the nineteenth century, God began to fulfill Ezekiel 37, which predicts that God would bring Jews into the land of Israel in order to prepare for the salvation of Israel. Israel's spiritual salvation will take place within the seven-year tribulation period prior to the return of Christ, while Israel's physical salvation will occur at the return of Jesus to the earth. Thus, the fulfillment of Jews immigrating into the land of Israel would indicate the nearness of the day of the Lord (the seven-year era, initiated by the beginning of the end-times treaty with Israel). So, how close is that fulfillment?

Prior to Israel becoming a state in 1948, the Jewish population grew to 600,000 in five great waves of immigration. More than 3 million more have followed, and Israel's Jewish population now stands at 5.5 million. Of the world's population of just over 13 million Jews, Israel's is the biggest portion, having surpassed America's in 2006.

In referring to the immense number of immigrants to Israel in comparison to the smaller number of citizens, Sergio DellaPergola, a prominent demographer at the Jewish People Policy Planning Institute, a Jerusalem think tank, announced: "There is no place in the world where the number of immigrants is five times the number of the people who were there. It is unprecedented."

However, since the occurrence of that great influx, the immigration into Israel has achieved a slowdown. In fact, according to DellaPergola, "Israel is nearing zero growth from immigration." This may indicate that Israel is nearing the number of Jews God has appointed to be in the land when the day of the Lord begins. If so, the day of the Lord may be right around the corner.

Another important indicator of the nearness of the day of the Lord is Israel's possession of Jerusalem, and this is another part of the miracle that is Israel. In June of 1967, Israel was attacked by seven Arab nations, outmanned so badly it appeared to be the end of the Jewish nation. However, miraculously, Israel not only won that war in six days, but it obtained land from three different nations, as a result.

Part of the spoil of that war for Israel was the regaining of Jerusalem. "The city of God" became Jewish for the first time since 70 A.D.!

When God put Jerusalem back into the hands of Israel in 1967, it fulfilled Jesus' prophecy of Luke 21:24, where he announced that the Jewish capital would be under Gentile control "until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled." It seems that "the times of the Gentiles" refers to God's focus upon Gentiles for salvation; in fact, this must be the identification of "the times of the Gentiles". How do we know?

According to Luke 21:24, "the times of the Gentiles" are connected with the possession of Jerusalem. As mentioned above, Jerusalem came under Gentile control in 70 A.D. when the armies of Rome besieged Israel. Why did that occur? It was due to Israelite hardness to the gospel of Jesus Christ. As a result, God's judgment came upon Israel, part of which involved the chasing of Jews from "the city of God".

posted September 24, 2012 04:45 PM            

Matthew 24:32-34 (NKJV) "Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near; at the doors! Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place."

The fig tree is Israel. Jerusalem going into the hands of the Jews is the fig tree putting forth leaves. This was 1967. A generation is 40 -61( or so) years in the Bible. The exact number of years of a generation is debated.

So, if you add 60/61 years to 1967, you have 2017-2018. The Tribulation is 7 years.So, you are taken down to 2013 which is believed by many, respected Biblical scholars to be the start of the Tribulation.

The Rapture comes first, in time, but we don't know when it will be, but the Tribulation is known, date wise, as accepted by Hal Lindsey and Grant Jeffries who are respected Biblical scholars. The Tribulation's whole playing out is known in great detail, too.

Any questions, so far?

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posted September 25, 2012 03:11 PM            

and how is calling a fig tree israel NOT calling zebras horses?

and thirdly, when was the hebrew language lost? i've never heard such a thing...?

one last - wasn't the USA created of a piece in a moment?

posted September 25, 2012 03:22 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
much confused here, ami. didn't you say the tribulation was AFTER the peace treaty and 3+ years of peace?

and how is calling a fig tree israel NOT calling zebras horses?

and thirdly, when was the hebrew language lost? i've never heard such a thing...?

one last - wasn't the USA created of a piece in a moment?

edit: if ami considers this an attempt to start a fight, i sincerely am not...but if she doesn't want to reply i will be happy if someone else can..! thx

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posted September 25, 2012 03:34 PM            

So, do you accept the Scriptures that Israel was uniquely born in a day.
The US was born after a fight for independence which was not a day long process of birth but a time period of birth.

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posted September 25, 2012 07:05 PM            

but there was also a provenance to that treaty - what was called palestine by the british colonialists was given to jews as homeland many years prior to 48.

posted September 25, 2012 09:30 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
well my naturally detail oriented virgo merc has to say, that jordan was then ALSO created..on the same day. and i would have to do some research before i could say this was unique.

but there was also a provenance to that treaty - what was called palestine by the british colonialists was given to jews as homeland many years prior to 48.

again, not trying to argue, but i need ALL my ducks in a row!

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I am gonna go one step at a time/ You go study it and see what you come up with. Israel is the only nation born in a day, according to the Bible. Go check it out and come back. The Bible is never wrong. I may be. If I am in error, I can research it and come up with the answer, but the Bible will never be in error.

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posted September 25, 2012 09:53 PM            

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The Bible is never wrong. I may be. If I am in error

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@Ami: Come now dear, I could point all day to instances where the Bible was wrong... lol

Yet for handiness sake, and in the realms of Prophecy, least I remind of Nebuchadnezzar's complete failure to conquer Tyre...

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posted September 25, 2012 10:19 PM            

But you should consider the fact, that when one is forced into such meanderings, the literally-biblical-truth is reduced to a human-subjective interpretation...

[Not trying to cause trouble, merely pointing to where I see a flaw in the logic... ]

Just my purpose

posted September 26, 2012 07:16 AM            

You guys can Google "The fig tree as a symbol for Israel" in the Bible.

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posted September 26, 2012 07:19 AM            

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[b]@Ami: I expect nothing but the best in back-pedaling apologetics from you

But you should consider the fact, that when one is forced into such meanderings, the literally-biblical-truth is reduced to a human-subjective interpretation...

[Not trying to cause trouble, merely pointing to where I see a flaw in the logic... ]

Just my purpose

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You are cool, Le Kuei

The Bible can stand up to all kinds of scrutiny. It is not a fragile thing that blows over with the wind.

The only lack for Bible teaching would be the lack of the person teaching it. When this happens, the person needs to research, which I will do.

The Bible can( and will) stand up to all scrutiny as it is Divine. There is no error in it, not one.

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posted September 26, 2012 07:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Lei_Kuei:
[b]@Ami: Come now dear, I could point all day to instances where the Bible was wrong... lol

Yet for handiness sake, and in the realms of Prophecy, least I remind of Nebuchadnezzar's complete failure to conquer Tyre...

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How would that be wrong? Tell me. Did God promise he would do it?

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posted September 26, 2012 09:18 AM            

We are at Israel being born. I will stay here for questions.

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posted September 26, 2012 12:04 PM            

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How would that be wrong? Tell me. Did God promise he would do it?

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From my understanding of your position, you do not separate the Bible and God, for you they are intrinsically linked, your position is

1: God exists.

2: Is never wrong.

3: By the act of (1) and (2) the Bible is never wrong.

Yet as I said... the Prophecy Failed, so you either have to accept that just the Bible was wrong and learn to live with it, or your God was wrong since it divinely inspired such an error, and such also renders the Bible wrong in relation to that prophecy...

So...

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Really?

[For anyone not familiar with Tyre, it wasn't conquered until Alexander the Great coveted its riches lol]

Yet the Bible says Nebuchadnezzar will do such, (meaning his Army) obviously in the same way when I said Alexander the Great, that meant his army!

Well Old Neb never breached the place, he was resigned to besieging it for 13 years until they made a peace treaty]

". . . I am going to bring against Tyre Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon . . ."

". . . He will ravage your settlements on the mainland . . ."

". . . he will set up siege works against you . . ."

". . . He will direct the blows . . ."

". . . with his weapons . . ."

". . . His horses will be so many . . ."

". . . when he enters your gates . . ."

". . . The hoofs of his horses will trample . . ."

". . . he will kill your people . . ."

FAIL!

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