posted September 22, 2012 10:10 AM            

There will be a time when God's wrath will be poured out onto the world. You can see the seeds of the unrest which will lead up to it.

The Tribulation will begin when the man called the Antichrist( in common parlance) will sign a peace treaty with Israel. Then, she will live safely, next to all her enemies.

If you see this man of GREAT charm and charisma come on the scene and sign this peace treaty, the Tribulation has begun.

There will be 3 and a half years of unprecedented peace. Then, will come 3 and a half years of wrath such as man has never known. These are the Bowl judgements and the Trumpets.

God promises not to pour out his wrath on those who believe in Him, as He is, not as people make Him up to be.

The Rapture is the next event in Biblical history.

I say this for people's edification, not to fight. I will not respond to any posts which I deem as trying to start a fight.

I will respond to real, honest questions, if you have any.

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posted September 22, 2012 10:14 AM            

I just found this neat site. It's really convenient. It's little flash cards that give the different interpretations of Revelation, in clear, simple, easy-to-read, short-and-to-the-point form. Just thought it might be helpful and useful:

http://quizlet.com/12064378/revelation-interpretations-flash-cards/

posted September 22, 2012 02:51 PM            

My main doubts about it are the timelines and the Anti-Christ. How can we objectively identify the AntiChrist ? Israel has already signed so many treaties for its safety, so this treaty has to be something radically new.

And what country would represent "Babylon" as per this book? The description looks like USA but paradoxically, the USA has the maximum number of non-Catholic Bible Adherents. Ergo, the Book of Revelation events cannot occur unless and until Christianity is not practiced in USA.

This could take hundreds of years.

posted September 22, 2012 03:49 PM            

I am talking about Israel as a country, not her history as the Jewish people, where she is called "Israel" in the Bible.

The Anti Christ has enough distinguishing characteristics that one will know when he comes on the scene.

However, most scholars believe that the people who WILL know i.e. those who know Bible Prophecy, will be gone in the Rapture.

So, we will not be here to tell you about it.

However, in these days, there will be the 144, 000 Jews who will be a witness to all the world.

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posted September 22, 2012 04:00 PM            

If you do, you will have mush. The Bible is very clear and very specific as to actual time and place and events.

The reason people feel it is so hard to understand is that they make mush out of it.

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posted September 23, 2012 08:45 AM            

"666"-Nero
"7 hills"- interestingly enough, Istanbul, has 7 hills

It should be mentioned that the tribulation very well could have been the persecutions under the Romans, and that the Church overcame them. If one bothers to look into the conditions of the faith at the point in time one can easily make the comparison in a "earth bound" way.

Beheadings, fed to lions etc, many falling away from the faith including several early Christian writers.

No mind though, keep those eyes up on the sky, buy yet another book espousing this, and never bother to test the spirit of all things..that would be "mushy".

posted September 23, 2012 08:52 AM            

Looks like you are going to be stuck on Earth with rest of us!

@mercuranian:

posted September 23, 2012 09:02 AM            

Whether they wear a pastor's suit or not, whether they write books or not.

This subject is used to distract from the rest of what the Scriptures have to say in terms of how to actually BE a Christian.

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posted September 23, 2012 09:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Nope
All end time Prophecy counts down from 1948 when Israel was born

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Uhm, yeah, so the awful horror in the temple is on it's way..save for there is no temple for it to show up in..

posted September 23, 2012 09:18 AM            

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This subject is used to distract from the rest of what the Scriptures have to say in terms of how to actually BE a Christian

I do think it telling that it is said "if it is not in the Bible, then it is not true" yet supplementary books are sold to tell people their view on the Bible. A conundrum to say the least

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posted September 23, 2012 09:44 AM            

(39) Jesus said, "The pharisees and the scribes have taken the keys of knowledge (gnosis) and hidden them. They themselves have not entered, nor have they allowed to enter those who wish to. You, however, be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves."

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posted September 23, 2012 09:55 AM            

In those, I agree, you can find anything. I don't concern myself with them and they are not germane to my discussion, so I will not address them, again.
If anyone wants to talk about what is inside the ACTUAL pages of the Bible, I will be back.

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posted September 23, 2012 10:09 AM            

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I only deal with what is in the pages of the Bible, not extra-biblical books.

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You limit your horizons Ami, if you pardon my saying so -nods-

@Juni: I agree, so much wisdom in such a small document!

posted September 23, 2012 10:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Thomas is not in the Bible *sigh*

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He most assuredly is . His Works were left out.

posted September 23, 2012 10:21 AM            

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His Works were left out.

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I cant decide whether I'm happy about that or not, considering my general disdain for that Judaic-Tome -smirk-

But if its inclusion would have thwarted the Spanish Inquisition... well Id be all for it

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posted September 23, 2012 10:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
OK
If anyone wants to talk about what is inside the pages of the Bible( the normally accepted one i.e the King James etc, I will come back and answer.

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Certainly, including what was being alluded to in those pages.

posted September 23, 2012 12:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Certainly, including what was being alluded to in those pages.

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I am not doing this for my ego. I am not doing this to prove something to myself. I am trying to teach people about the End Times according to the Bible( as it exists as defined in that one book, no extra biblical works)

I think there are people who want to know what it has to say, so that is why I started this thread.
Nothing more. Nothing less *sigh*

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posted September 23, 2012 12:40 PM            

Those 12 disciples mentioned included Thomas.

If two non Disciples, who never met or heard Jesus speak, make the Holy Bible, how can we throw away Thomas and keep Luke and Marks writings as gospel??

What criteria did they use (Nicene Council) to omit Thomas and embrace Mark & Luke.
Shouldn`t we include Thomas on the premise he was a disciple??

posted September 23, 2012 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I am not doing this for my ego. I am not doing this to prove something to myself. I am trying to teach people about the End Times according to the Bible( as it exists as defined in that one book, no extra biblical works)

I think there are people who want to know what it has to say, so that is why I started this thread.
Nothing more. Nothing less *sigh*

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I sincerely know you are NOT doing this for ego. But as a teaching to the end times.

That on the other hand, is what we are offering as well. A further look at the Bible , what was omitted vs. what was kept to round out/complete

the story.

posted September 23, 2012 12:50 PM            

I suppose one has to study the Bible enough, for oneself, to get to this point. This is the point where I am.

I just want to tell people what I know when I am led. What they do with it, is out of my control, but I am called to tell it, at times. Then, I do.

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posted September 23, 2012 12:53 PM            

I feel called to offer this. That is it.

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