posted September 28, 2012 01:18 AM            

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(And IMO, Firefly is so much better than Star Trek!)

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Finally something we disagree on LOL!

Ofc, it all just a matter of taste

posted September 28, 2012 04:48 AM            

I found several prophecies that according to Rational Wiki page, are examples of failure:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Failed_biblical_prophecies

But this is not an issue for me as there can be much distortion in translations over the years. I will assume that the Book of Revelations is 100% accurate, because Nostradamus has also seen certain events from it. There is a valuable "witness" so to speak, even if the church considers him a heretic.

For me, it is not an issue if semantically any prophecy did not come true or did come true. But it is un-forgiveable for the Biblical God to not warn/prophesize to my Jewish brethren about the Nazi Holocaust in the Bible. This [and the non-prophesy of Hiroshima-Nagasaki] is what shifted my belief system from an all powerful semitic god to a Trascendental Infinite God who Allows everything in fluid timelines with his Energy Field. Where as per the irrefutable atomic principle called "Hesinberg's Uncertainty Principle", if we "see" a future event, we change it.

Thus, I cannot blame the Bible if a prophesy did not occur, for the act of prophecy itself can change the outcome. By "feeling" that the Book of Revelations is an end time prophecy, a strong believer will delay the End Times.

There was no prophecy nor belief about the Nazi Holocaust, and that un-prophesied event [which is far more terrifying than anything in the Bible] DID occur.

Which mathematically means, how many more such unprophesised events [even outside of Book of Revelations] are to occur?
And can the Book of Revelations "be mapped" astrologically to assess the more terrible, un-prophesised events?

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posted September 28, 2012 09:14 AM            

I am an educated layman, so would rather stick to things of which I feel secure such as the Prophecies I know have come true, rather than debate esoteric points like did Neb destroy or just invade

I am working on your question about the Jews and the Holocaust

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posted September 28, 2012 09:46 AM            

The whole history of the Jewish people was one of blessings, God's demanding of obedience and the people( for the most part) failing.

God gave the Jews great, great blessings, as all can see. However, he demanded an obedience of the Jews more so than any group of people. When they could not/would not do it, they had curses come down on them. The Holocaust was in this. However, what many people don't like, especially the Replacement Theology "Christians" is that God was never done with the Jews, as God promised the Jews many, many things. They will all come to pass, as all of the Bible will and must.
That is why Israel will never, ever be destroyed. One can count on that as surely as the stars in Heaven.

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posted September 28, 2012 08:30 PM            

yes this is the trouble with resting one's belief on prophesy of any kind.

posted September 28, 2012 08:35 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
[b]Thus, I cannot blame the Bible if a prophesy did not occur, for the act of prophecy itself can change the outcome.

yes this is the trouble with resting one's belief on prophesy of any kind.

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That is not true. The Bible is infalliable (sp). It has no error, from the first word to the last. One may need to research the words in the original language, but all things the Bible says will come to pass.

I have given you a few prophecies which you shrug off like Syria. Take it to heart and watch and wait. The Bible tells you about one city in the entire world becoming rubble. Isn't that amazing? But you shrug it off. I don't understand it.

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posted September 29, 2012 09:19 AM            

You know what? You could do transits for her wars, too. She was attacked by all her enemies right after her birth. I wonder what the transit chart will look like.

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posted September 29, 2012 09:52 AM            

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the Nicene Council edited the Bible and could have destroyed the documents that contained actual dates of the Hebrew Calendar

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Exactly hence no varifiable calculations to work from?

posted September 29, 2012 01:23 PM            

and damascus is not yet rubble, so prophecy is not fulfilled.

i'm afraid the fulfillment of prophecies is not a strong enough argument for the perfection of the bible as god's word.

posted September 29, 2012 02:24 PM            

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Nice try Ami

Which begs the question, why do you even bother with the KVJ? Why bother trying to derive any kind of insight from it since its no longer 100% accurate by your reasoning.

I mean, Ive shown you how it isn't 100% correct as regards prophecy in a literal sense! Which caused you to default to the Hebrew as your final piece of drift-wood!

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posted September 29, 2012 02:47 PM            

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the fact is that if israel were created by the treaty which also gave jordan to the arabs, it was NOT unique in its miraculous creation. TWO were born together.

and damascus is not yet rubble, so prophecy is not fulfilled.

i'm afraid the fulfillment of prophecies is not a strong enough argument for the perfection of the bible as god's word.

and didn't god give men free will? how then can prophecies EVER be foolproof?

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I never thought about this and there will always be an answer as the Bible is always right. I will need to research this.

I welcome all honest inquiry. The Bible will never let anyone down, ever. The layman, such as myself, must study it to find the answer, though, as I am not a scholar but an educated layman.

I will put this on my short list *SIGH*

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posted September 30, 2012 06:05 PM            

I will come back, later and see where we left off, IQ.

Sorry. If someone was really serious, please research the subjects and we can talk about them. Thanks. You need to go to the original Hebrew and Greek etc, so it will be a study, but if you want to, I am sure you will.

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posted October 01, 2012 07:39 AM            

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I don't want to put a lot of time into it when people are kind of just wanting to mess with me about the most obscure things like did Nebecenezzar(sp) just attack or destroy, all the way

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That's where you are wrong Ami, I'm deadly serious in matters of truth... You should consider examining my arguments in relation to the prospect that the KVJ/Bible in general is NOT 100% CORRECT!

Ive been very clear in my posts as to why that is-nods-

However, if you truly want to ignore the facts! By all means, its your right to do so

Noting else I can say on the matter, you decided

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posted October 16, 2012 05:24 PM            

Forged: Writing in the Name of God

posted October 17, 2012 09:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Lei_Kuei:
**Cough**

Forged: Writing in the Name of God

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I don't know how to say this, so I will just say it.

I don't want to be jerked around when I put my heart and soul into my answers. I don't want to be asked minutiae questions, just to trip me up.

If anyone is serious, I am all ears. I am here to help that serious person, but I don't have the time, will or energy to mess around with people who just want to be goofy *COUGH*

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posted October 17, 2012 10:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Lei
I am gonna need you to do more of the research, not that the Bible is not true.There are no errors---period.

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You asked, I delivered...

Oh well...

I do try